th3kuzinator
Smash Master
and I'm awake.
Trust me, sword, DH is not the lyncher. Please put that vote back.
J stfu for once.
Trust me, sword, DH is not the lyncher. Please put that vote back.
J stfu for once.
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Check X1's flip bro. It saids that "his disguise has fallen" and for awhile it showed his flip of indy lyncher. He has the PR of a "tricker," one who disguises themselves as someone else in the game. It's very likely that X1 just so happened to disguise himself as the indy lyncher, withouth knowing that he was disguising himself as such a person.No way in ****ing hell bro. Not since the last time you told me that.
Seriously I'm gonna say what I want but the fact of a lyncher is a bunch of bull. I mean why did someone decide to make a random post introducing the concept there might even be a lyncher to cause WIFOM regarding each lynch and in the end all it is is anti-town behaviour and ultimately distracts from scumhunting to instea hunting for something WE HAVE NO PROOF OF.
It's a wild goose hunt and I'm not gonna just sit back and entertain an idea that holds no ai
Lol, I did not see this.I thought I made this clear, but apparently not. X1 flipping a lyncher was a joke as so many people were like "Grrr if X1 doesn't flip scum" & it fit flavor well. Boba Fett the indy lyncher was what X1 asked to flip as a joke when I asked him.
Again, I am not confirming the absence of a lyncher, I am saying this ^^^ is incorrectCheck X1's flip bro. It saids that "his disguise has fallen" and for awhile it showed his flip of indy lyncher. He has the PR of a "tricker," one who disguises themselves as someone else in the game. It's very likely that X1 just so happened to disguise himself as the indy lyncher, withouth knowing that he was disguising himself as such a person.
Shaky reasoning. Unless Ronike has a history of always 100% following set-in-stone roles exactly as they are commonly used, this is just making assumptions about role titles, of all things.Okay, time to show my reason of why Kirbyoshie should be lynched
He's Lying about his role.
Okay, first of all, anything with survivor related should be lynched no matter what.
2nd, that role is fake. Want proof? Check it here
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/354/a/1/Mafia_Roles_by_mikeburnfire.swf
Suicidal Townie is a vig role and KILLS himself during N1. No if, ands, or buts. He's meant to live D1 and D1 only.
The only role in relation to that is the HATED townie, and he gets lynched a vote less then a normal townie (he is also pro-town). I highly doubt Obi-wan is hated that much (unless you're the bad guy) or that suicidal/emo.
So yeah, his role is fake and deserves to be lynched...like, now
Unvote Vote: Kirbyoshie
Why did you find me scummy? During my read through, I don't think I saw you mention the reasoning on me once; I'd be delighted to hear why I was so suspicious to you.Read the first 10 out of 25 pages so far. Vocal and X1 and Tandora are reasonably scummy (winning scum strategy = agree with Cello a bunch, seen it a hundred times). Sir Bedevere doesn't exist, this worries me.
I'll finish reading tonight. I don't yet know who died last Night Phase. Hopefully one of those 4.
Responses were implanted into the quote itself, as that was easier to type.Does not even make reference to the vote I placed on him and simply skips over it to regress back to the flavor. Noobscum afraid to cross vote. At the time, I was L-5.'
[If I'm not mistaken, this was my first post in the thread. The game was still in RVS, so I didn't feel there was much significance to your vote. Secondly, I was (as I said) severely confused about what the flavor meant, which was a more pertinent matter to me.]
Also backing up Rockin'. He even says he is not trying to defend or buddy him. The fact that he included that last passage means he was aware of how his post might come off and wanted to make sure he was not viewed in that light. If he knew that, why not simply revise his post? Cuz it would lose the message of "stop picking on Rockin."
[I wanted to know why people were putting so much pressure on someone who was not there to feel pressured, so I inquired. I didn't tell them that Rockin was above suspicion or that I felt that Rockin was town, which would have been defending or buddying respectively.]
Would also like to note the Vocal skipped over the entire Cello/X1 vs Kuz thing at the start of the Day and only got interested when his boy Rockin came under fire.
[I was fine with the Cello/X1 interactions, didn't have anything to contribute to them, and decided to watch for the time being. However, Cello's aggression towards Rockin felt out of place, which is why I wanted more information.]
PERFECT scum buddy deflection. Is asked between Kirbyoshi or Rockin and throws out a tentative Kirbyoshi but then quickly says he would rather vote Cello than either of them. Major scum-vocal tell IMO.
[Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be a more accurate scum tell if I threw lynch support behind someone I had not posted any suspicions of previously? You are just trying to cast a scummy light on an action that does nothing more than state my accurate opinions.]
@Vocal, can you explain the first sentance?
[Yes I can. I had already stated that I disliked how quickly Cello was trying to end the day; I would need at least a few more days real time before I would jump on a wagon with him. Ending the first day too quickly is a big mistake in my book.]
Does this not set off a warning flag from ANYONE?! They had not argued once this entire game and suddenly, out of the blue, X1 tells everyone he has established a valid excuse for ignoring Vocal this entire game. I dont care about Majora's Mask johns, that simply Bull****
[I have posted the reasons why X1 and I had an unusual relationship with one another. If you and others would like to discuss this in more detail or make it a topic of discussion I will oblige, but otherwise I believe I have said enough about this.]
KIRBYOSHI DOES NOT EVEN RESPOND TO THAT WALL OF TEXT THAT CELLO RAISES AGAINST HIM, VOCAL HAS TO DO IT INSTEAD *facepalm*
Besides, the last three quotes that Vocal presents are the unimportant interactions Cello was talking about
1. "Is making you laugh a legitimate reason to back off" --> Self explanatory
2. Metaing the mod
3. Defending Rockin based on the fact that Rockin posted in a normal "catchup" playstyle, which we all know is BS because we should be able to assume the Rockin can make inferences for himself for his first post.
Kirbyoshi just rides this defense and just states that he agrees with Vocal.
Vocal and Kirbyoshi may be SvS, probably SvT.
Stepping back and taking a look, it seems to me that Vocal is kind of just flailing a case at Cello. TownVocal vs ScumKirbyoshi seems likely.
[Those were my opinions. It seemed to me that Cello was applying pressure for silly reasons that were not enough to base a lynch off of, and so I responded as such.]
Kirbyoshi tells vocal that Cello is not scum anymore and *poof* Vocal agrees. Still probably noobtown.
[I didn't like Cello's actions and felt that he was not working well at accomplishing town's goals, yet I did not feel like his actions were inherently scummy (just useless).]
We already know that Tanny was scum. Rockin is leaning towards town at the moment. However, I haven't seen KY do anything that helps town, to be honest. I'm not trying to derail the current wagon on Tom as we will learn many valuable things from it, but KY just does not sit well with me.And J, how else are we going to go about clearing people? From their interactions with X1.
From that, Tery, Me, DH, You, Swords and Cello are town.
Ran and vocal have been playing well, tom is getting caught up.
leaves kirbyoshi, rockin and tando.
Am I opposed to my lynch? Absolutly not, but only if town can't see past J's case into why Rockin/Tando/Kirby are scum.
WHOA, WUT? I don't like this one bit. He just BLINDLY moves his vote onto Kuz because J wants him gone? Bull****.Oh, that was your case on me? I shall check that in a second
And also, fine J. Since you seem to really want Kuz gone (can't blame ya much lol)
Unvote Vote: Kuz
See abovethis doesnt SCREAM weird to anyone????
holy freaking cow.
Once again, we know Tan was scum. I'm getting a strong feeling that either KY or Rockin is the final scum that we are looking for.J you made a case, an incorrect one, but I have no problem with it.
J: Tery vote someone.
Tery: Okay, vote kuz. It looks like you strongly believe Kuz is scum, so i will now too.
J: Thank you
Kirby: Your first sentence in your wall was about flavor? Wow you so scum despite me clearing you 10 minutes ago. I am not even using J's reasoning, but im getting on there anyway
J: Thank you
Rockin: Ill read Kuz's post against me now (not like I should have read it before), but ill buddy up to townJ and vote kuz because he seems to want him gone. obv buddying is obv
J: Thank you
Tanny: I don't know if I am right or wrong about the Jester comment, but who cares? All your evidence is circumstantial and, despite your case involving very little x1 meta, ill use it as my excuse to hammer you when you are at L-1.
J: Maybe I will actually try to defeat your case with logic, but only if you are at L-1 and claim. But for now, I feel attacking it incorrectly will suffice.
Sorry for being freaking blunt, but thats what just transpired.
Like I saidWhoops, I wrote that badly... I meant to make that comment about x1 and not you. However it doesn't matter, since I realize x1 is dead.
Unfortunately, the temptation to read the last few pages was too much. I'm currently compiling a scum ratio for everyone and it's going to blow your minds away.
As for Rockin/Tandora/Kirbyoshi, I don't really know what made Rockin so scummy early game. I think people pushed on him too much for not posting and everyone got a Rockinscum mentality that's hard to shake off. Dunno though, I haven't seen a lot of his posts.
Tandora, however, is scummy. She plays like Advice Dog more than like Opinion Dog and I find that scum love to do this.
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Kirbyoshi is a null for me, but I haven't seen his entire claim yet, although I know it's suicidal townie or something. I have no idea what that is. More definite opinions will come once I read the entire claim.
Couldn't have agreed more.I feel like up to this point she's kept from making actual connections to the game and more posts about mafia theory and mechanics and whatnot.
Ran is (what's that word...?) conditionally(?) town for now (not to mention I've never had problems with him), Tanny was modkilled and was mafia, and I'm townK whatever I was a little too assuming that I would be cleared. I would argue that doing that as scum would be stupid, but J will just tell me not to WIFOM.
Scum IS between
Ran
Vocal
Tom
Kirby
Rockin
Tanny
because everyone else is cleared in my mind
I would like to say Ran and vocal are town from playstyle (and tom needs to catch up) which leaves the other three, but if all of them go eventually I am satisfied. The latter three first preferably.
They're actually different shades of green. No connection there.Where's Vocal? Did anyone else notice the fact that the color of all the vote-counts and the front page hold Vocal's color? I wonder.
The death certainly caught me off guard, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that I had been right about Tanny.Tandora, Ariadne the mafia goon, has been modkilled.
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The day continues
Kuz quoted this as part of his wall of text I quoted above. While I was reading it I didn't thik much of it and therefore cut it out, but now I am leaning even more heavily towards Rockin being scum. On the subject of the aggression towards Rockin, I simply wanted to know people's reasons, but here is Tandora actually giving a defense for him and possibly a justification for future actions? I still need to finish this multi-quote, but I am 99% certain that I'm going to end it with a Rockin vote.Honestly, if I was Rockin' I'd be afraid to say anything any more. No matter what he says or how town he acts he gets lynched (in the two games I've been in with him of course)
Cello, don't you think tunneling someone is a bad idea? Why the hate?
Dittoso now I can clear myself based on wanting to lynch both scum
derp.
So yeah Kirbyoshi is legit which leaves
Rockin
Vocal
Tom
Ranmaru
i say we go rockin imo
*high fives Ronike*Guys, I seriously know this game. It's not Cinemafia nor is it DBZ mafia.
I can't believe it but this flavour is so much cooler now.
It's Inception Mafia.
Ariadne was the main girl from the movie.
Hm. This guy is on a lot of lists, isn't he?Dark Horse is acting a little silly as well.
Rockin -![]()
Vocal - Town
Dark Horse - Townie enough
Tom - Pratically non-existant but leaning town from the little content we have
Ranmaru - provisionally town
I thought it was a commentary on something someone said to him before reading the thread. 'Twas odd.Nice point mafia D4.
A mafia that switches flavor each Day?
Started with DBZ, was something else d2 and now....
this flavor is so interesting
Subtract me from that list and I agree. Actually, put KY above Tom, and that list is perfect.Not commenting on players who end up flipping scum practically at all in a game is pretty much just as good as having solid connections to them in the game, maybe even more so. It's a common strategy for scum mates often simply ignore their buddies. They simply weren't in your thoughts you say? Okay, maybe. However, you're main target was, and is, KY, correct? Well, thing is, going after that guy at this point is one of the easiest things you can do. Actually, I have to reread to see if this is true, but IIRC this ENTIRE GAME you've been going after some of the safest, easiest people that there is to go after.
^Gotta reread to confirm that, and will do so later.
@Nabe: In this order:
Rockin
Tom/Vocal
KY
Ran
Oh, how nice. Explains the no-kill. Doesn't set off any alarms for me.Whoa whoa I'm looking for J's post and I get a pile of votes. I'll claim early as well.
I'm the doc. I protected Vocal. That is why I have been asking Kuz about Vocal and me. The end.
Possible. That's the reason why he's #2 on my lynch list.I feel as though Kirb is in it to Wagon though.
That's a mistake. Kuz is town. You are (most likely) town. Put your vote on someone who deserves it - like Rockin.Well I want to lynch Kuz over Kirb. Let's wait for the others.
Should read Rockin imo.Aparecium !
Vote: Kirbyoshi
Mass Roleclaims are so amazing.
How didn't you read about it when we were talking before?I don't understand that role. What does it do?
He'd still be a townie, and thus wouldn't want to hurt town. I don't see why this makes his claim false. Still, I find him suspicious just due to his non-contribution-ness.If you don't believe someone is scum, don't vote for him.
But listen to his role.
"If I ever get to L-1, my next post must be a vote for myself or I get modkilled/indy survivor"
That's KY's role. Problem is, it has a loophole. A big one.
If KY gets to L-1, all he has to do is NOT POST. Problem solved.
.....And that's why I don't believe KY's role.
I said this earlier in my post, but I don't think you should have moved your vote. I am going to push for a Rockin lynch today. I will change if necessary to avoid a no-lynch, but I really believe that Rockin needs to die.Guys, just so you all know, Rockin is not cleared. Watcher is just a rare enough role that scum could very well get away with fake claiming it.
Now, that said, it makes me feel better about Rockin, so I'm gonna have to
unvote
vote Tom
Oh. But this makes me less sureYeah breadcrumbs from both claims would be beneficial...specially from Ran's.
Also I just thought this quote from X1 was interesting. Its what gave me some doubts about Rockin being mafia upon my second re-read.
That + claiming a PR makes me feel safe keeping Rockin alive for now. We can also get some info out of him. If ran Docs Rockin and Rockin watches Ran we can keep both alive for the time being.
I guess the weight's already on Tom. I would rather a KY lynch but for the purpose this will serve Tom will be ok. I still can't shake the feeling that Rockin is probably scum...I don't know after looking at that X1 quote :/tbqh I was thinking about the idea for a bit and I have decided against it.
We already have a doc who can successfully protect one PR while he can watch the doc to see who NKs him. This will effectivly save Ranmaru and Rockin from certain death for quite awhile that is, if Rockin is actually a watcher. I still doubt scum rockin would have claimed watcher before everyone else (it would be too risky if someone CCd, scum would be done). I know scumRan would definitely not fake claim doc, because that would be 100% CCd.
I think we are on a fine plateau for D2 tbqh.
We have
Dark Horse
Tom
Kirbyoshi
Vocal
We lynch one of the top three and get the cop to get a result for the two remaining survivors (Until we hear from him, I want to say Vocal is town because of Ran protection and playstyle). If there are any BP townies, claim soon so we can either clear Vocal or add him back to the list. In two Days we will have eliminated or found out the alignment of everyone in that grouping which I feel is the last pot for scum.
So yeah, scratch that mass claim idea, cop just get a result from someone on that list (flip a coin if you have to) and we will probably pressure most of them toDay.
I would say everyone else is town until CCd or proven otherwise.
Thoughts? And yeah I think the first one we should pressure is Tom, since we know Kirbyoshi's claim and we have extremely little info from Tom. Vocal looks the towniest of the bunch and Dark Horse only looks scummy because he plays like Dark Horse.
And ^^^
I read and was happy to discover that <3Vocal, tandora was scum and she got modkilled. You were right about her
before you leave vote Dark Horse
'Twas genuine. I really didn't have time to read, which is the reason why I'm just now posting my catchup response.If Vocal faked 1415 then he's better than I'd give him credit for. Treating it as the super-town tell that it looks like. Keep rereading though.
Don't like 1422 one bit. Kirbs has been phoning in activity not just all Day, but all game.
This. I dont think we have to worry about corrupted night actions, either, because Tricker is already gone.Sworddancer. said:If Tom doesn't flip mafia, then we lynch DH toMarrow.
Vig, if you're out there, then shoot DH (unless Tom does flip mafia).
Cop cop KY.
Rockin watch Ran. Ran protect Rockin.
Why wouldn't it make sense? But without regards to that, I'd think I would be your target.![]()
Seriously, wut? Who do you think my target is? Out of the people who haven't claimed, because it wouldn't make sense for it to be a non-Star Wars character.
Ohhhhhhh.... Damn. I don't actually like this... Sir B seemed townie to me... He would try to get me in the fray.. but that's about it. Inactivity. : [gonna read but just pointing out
Delvro replaced Cello
Tom replaced Sir B
^that was at Ran.
Because if I didn't hammer, you guys would've probably lynch me quicklyDH, why did you decide to hammer Tom and then claim? Why not just admit to lying without the hammer? Either way, you're admitting the lie, but in one variant you're not ending the Day with a lynch of someone we know nothing about. Despite how plausible your claim sounds, your actions smack of an odd unthought-out self-preservation.