Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[th3kuzinator]

Tery-> X1, J, Cello iirc was the order
X1-> J
Rockin->Cello
th3kuzi->X1
DH->X1
Kirbyoshi->Cello

Sooooo all I'm seeing is 2 out of the possible 6 built wagons.

What is this?

I dont even

 

[th3kuzinator]

what made you change your mind about clearing me after vehemently disagreeing in the beginning of the Day?

 

[#HBC | J]

What is this?

I dont even

it's the wagons that were all built and the people who iirc started the wagons. What's up with it th3kuzi? It was in response to DH's saying Cello flipflopped all over the place.

 

[ranmaru]

Cello, why do you want Vocal dead?

 

[Cello_Marl]

At the end of D1, you swapped wagons when the deadline was extremley close.

And?

It was like YIU were trying to cause a Nl.

Oh, I see. That must have been why you unvoted and voted for X1. Because splitting up the votes between two candidates with 5 hours left is the best way to prevent a No Lynch. That makes perfect sense.

I had you pegged as Indy when I saw your anti-town play and realize there are 13 ( now 12) people. That evidence strengthened my case.

...what? I'm not being facetious, I seriously have no idea what you're talking about here. Well, one. But that would be stupid. It makes no sense at all. After all, the only reason I can think of for this to make sense would be if you were an aligned killer of some sort (1-shot vig or mafia) that shot me and assumed that I must be bulletproof and thus somehow independent. Of course, we could disregard 1-shot vig, because Kirbyoshi's Suicidal Townie claim was "vig fodder". So, you'd basically be claiming mafia.

Now, why is the fact that there are 12 people reinforcing your belief that I'm indy again?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Cello, why do you want Vocal dead?

It is in our best interests for me to be serious answering this, so I shall.

I was being playful. I was not being serious.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mod: /request replacement

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

X1 had a chance.

When you started the late-game wagon on me, that was pretty much overkill.

How 13 total people supports an Indy is simple: 4 vs 9 is too mafsided, 3 vs 10 is too townsided.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh, I see. That must have been why you unvoted and voted for X1. Because splitting up the votes between two candidates with 5 hours left is the best way to prevent a No Lynch. That makes perfect sense.

Cello, in all fairess, what you were doing yesterDay could be interpertated as trying for a no lynch. Why were you so reluctant to vote X1?

Fos: Cello

Also Cello why are you replacing?

@DH: You're having tunnel vision right now. Not everyone who thinks you should be lynched is scum, ok? Also, why are you so hung up on indie tells? Would you not agree that a typical indie would not have "tells?" Also, would you not agree that it's probably much better to hunt mafia first and then go after any indies lest the game is still going on?

 

[Ronike]

@Mod: /request replacement

Please get on aim so I can talk to you about this.

Also, to whoever thought they couldn't use red text, go for it, so long as you aren't using the same font and color as I am, you're fine

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Sword, Have I attacked J?

I know there are no such things as I die tells, but if X is acting anti-town, but it doesn't match his scum meta, occam's razor says he's indy

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Or it could just be that he's town acting anti-town. That IS possible, y'know.

Also, Cello replacement=gaaaaaaaay.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Cut the man some slack, I think hes having person troubles.

Anyway, where was I?

Oh yeah. Im okay with Rockin/Vocal/DH maybe.

Gotta do the reread toNight and I will got a better candidate. Kirby is not being lynched over that technicality.

If he does not die toNight by vig then we might need to consider him for a future lynch, as he obviously should not be around late game. Regardless, we had such pure X1 data because he doubted he was getting lynched. We should definitely focus on that toDay.

 

[Ronike]

Delvro replaces Cello_Marl

 

[Rockin]

He can't explain it. It's a role name that isn't awkward sounding and happens to be the same as another role. If I claimed to be a Town Angel, would you jump on me? No. Besides, what he COULDN'T fake, is the survivor wincon/modkill thing of his role. That's something Ronike would do, AND something that Kirbyoshi wouldn't think to use/add.

There are two ways you can approach this. You can consider both of us town, and I'm giving a sincere read. Or, you can consider him town, and I know that he's telling the truth because I'm scum. Either way, he's town. You can't possibly think we're both scum; if you do, then I'd love to hear your arguments.

This post here really bothers me. sounds almost out of character for you >>

If you claimed to be a town angel, and it's something that was in the wiki or flash thinie, then fine it'd have a 50/50 chance on being believable. However, when you say one role name that actually exist, but use a completely different power, that seems pretty damn suspicious.

Great. I'm glad you decided to bring this up now instead of last Night. You weren't worried that you were going to die, were you? If you were, you'd have said it then. Instead, what did you do? You ragged on Teryble Doom for talking about stuff that's not "beneficial to town".

Oh yeah, sure. That's pretty intelligent. Saying we should lynch Kirbyoshi in under two/one days from deadline. That's not a smart decision, really. Ya know, so I can be a possible NK and whatnot. >>

also, I've explained my concern in a soft way about his claim when he died. That should pretty much explain I have some form of dislike for it.

Why? Are you just trying to soften the impact, make it seem like a "reasonable no matter what" choice?

It's a VERY reasonable choice. Why keep a indie of sorts around when we truly don't know their win condition? I rather rid of them ASAP then keep them around and have them screw us over.

Right. Because Ronike ONLY uses the standard roles.

For all I know, Ronike can use just standard roles. He can use adnormal roles. I don't know or care. I DO know that any decent mod of the game will not give a role name that already exist in writing a different power usage.

down with a rockin or vocal lynch toDay

ill do another re-read on it later.

Okay then.

You went from 'probably Town Rockin' to 'oh look, this guy rockin here is scummy' pretty damn quick. Why the sudden change? What's your reason for lynching me?

All I'm seeing so far is 'down with rockin' without a base of a case.

Rockin, Mafia Trickster (X1's role) wasn't even IN the wiki. I looked it up. So you're argument about my role being "weird" is invalid. Also, my role is not "Survivor-related." The whole "demotion" thing simply meant that if I break my restriction by making a regular post at L-1, I cannot and will not win with town. Also, I agree with Cello that if you had an issue with my claim, you should have spoken up yesterDay.

It isn't. It's a role Ronike Made in DBZ Mafia. I had that role (and I was Mafia) and I have a damn good idea of what it does. So yeah, my case on your role isn't invalid at all.

I'll be catching up from the middle-ish of th3kuzinator and Dark Horse's argument. However, I will say that I'm not too sure if I believe what Rockin has posted (through Tandora's quote) about role shenanigans, also seemingly right after X1-12 was executed.

What does a Trickster do? Sorry if this is answered somewhere in the previous pages. I'll start reading up now.

In DBZ Mafia, the mechanic of it is different from what it is right now (due to the other game was a lv. up system), but basically every night, they pose as a player and visits them.

Let's say you're a trickster, right? You can transform to any player that's currently playing (or a dead one, me thinks, but I see no uses there). Now let's say I'm a watcher, and you transform to Vocal, and do the kill on Kirbyyoshi (who I would be watching). Basically, I would see that VOCAL visited and killed KY and not you at all (cause you're in disguise).

Basically, the role is meant to **** over/confuse certain investigative roles like that.

Right now, I'm interested in lynching Kirbyoshi. I'm considering Cello and Kuz the next day cause of how they both responded to the said situation.

 

[Rockin]

Greaaaaaaat....Cello replaces.

Doubt my feelings for him would change though. =/

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh. If Cello's reasons for replacing out our personal then I apologize to him if I came off as rude in anyway shape or form. I assure him I did not mean to.

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Sword, Have I attacked J?

I know there are no such things as I die tells, but if X is acting anti-town, but it doesn't match his scum meta, occam's razor says he's indy

No, you have not attacked J, but he's practically cleared already, so that hardly proves anything. Point is, you have a tendency to only be focused on the ones attacking you.

Also, that's a pretty big misuse of occam's razor, simply because you didn't really take into account any other possible factors that indeed could be very likely. Just as people changing up their play, people playing to a specific role, etc.

Point is, hunting after the indie at this point does not have much of a point to it, and you really should be focusing on mafia right now.

 

[Tandora]

Rockin, I read your last post as mostly as meta on the mod. Do you honestly feel that is a legit way to scumhunt or make a case against someone?

@ Delvro, thanks for replacing it. I am also not exactly sure what happened, but I'm sure Cello had a good reason for leaving. Feel free to take some time to catch up before giving us your thoughts.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You went from 'probably Town Rockin' to 'oh look, this guy rockin here is scummy' pretty damn quick. Why the sudden change? What's your reason for lynching me?

Not true. On the list of the people X1 rarely interacted with, you were tied with Vocal with two interactions. I only said Vocal because he has posted way more than you and X1 still ignored him. Sir Bed posted 10 times so I am not surprised X1 rarely mentioned him.

 

[th3kuzinator]

and who votes their scum mate close to deadline?

J/Dark Horse/Teryble Doom~/Sworddancer.

Not these people.

With Town Cello (delvro is catching up anyway) + Kirbyoshi + Me

and we have Tom who still needs to catch up and should be given a Day to do so.

we have

Tandora [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
-Vocal- [0]:
Rockin [0]:

and ill re-post that activity list

Sworddancer 6
th3kuzinator 14
Tandora 8
Ranmaru 5
Kirbyoshi 9
Cello_Marl 13
Sir Bedevere 1
Teryble Doom~ 10
Dark Horse 8
J 6
-Vocal- 2
Rockin 2

Still Okay with Rockin/Vocal/Ranmaru me thinks. I'll make a case on one of em probably.

But one of those 4 should be the play toDay.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Wait. I don't think I understand what you're saying about the alignment of the four people you mentioned? Aside from J, who is clearly proven town. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Another thing I don't understand is that Tandora seems to disagree with Rockin's reasoning about how to hunt, but at the same time eagerly went ahead and voted Kirbyoshi after Rockin linked a site wher Kirbyoshi's role was not present. I trust Kirbyoshi. Why wouldn't someone claim such a role? They're going to have to die anyway, right?

As for Ranamru, I've yet to see much from him for Day 2, but from Day 1, Ranmaru proved more town than Mafia, due to the way he was postig. I will have to see his Day 2 posts in order to attain a more accurate read.

Also, did Rockin ever explain about his activity changes from the end of Day 1 to Day 2?

 

[Delvro]

Read the first 10 out of 25 pages so far. Vocal and X1 and Tandora are reasonably scummy (winning scum strategy = agree with Cello a bunch, seen it a hundred times). Sir Bedevere doesn't exist, this worries me.

I'll finish reading tonight. I don't yet know who died last Night Phase. Hopefully one of those 4.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Ran or Vokester should go toDay imo. Also...

For all I know, Ronike can use just standard roles. He can use adnormal roles. I don't know or care. I DO know that any decent mod of the game will not give a role name that already exist in writing a different power usage.

ITT Rockin doesn't think Ronike is a good mod. Noted.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Also, for the posts Sir Bed actually made, they were quite towny.

I am currently making a post.

And no one died during the Night, delv.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

kuz, he's reading up, starting from the beginning, with no bias from lynches or NKs. It's a good strategy imo, and should not be ruined by the likes of you -_-

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ranmaru always posts like that, whether town or mafia.

Yeah that vote after the Rockin link is weird.

Those 4 ppl J quoted got onto X1's wagon just before the deadline. If I was X1's scum buddy I would not want to risk even trying to bus him that close, because the table could turn and he could actually be lynched quickly because of the time constraint.

Swords Tery J DH are town 4 now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I know that, I was just informing him.

And whats with that salt? I am currently doing a re-read this moment and making a case. That was not necessary.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

y so defensive?

 

[th3kuzinator]

y so offensive?

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, I read your last post as mostly as meta on the mod. Do you honestly feel that is a legit way to scumhunt or make a case against someone?

The topic me and Cello talked about is only meta by topic. I'm not using said meta on kirbyoshi as a meta. What is DO have against Kirbyyoshi is that he is fake claiming a role. that he obviously made up.

Another thing I don't understand is that Tandora seems to disagree with Rockin's reasoning about how to hunt, but at the same time eagerly went ahead and voted Kirbyoshi after Rockin linked a site wher Kirbyoshi's role was not present. I trust Kirbyoshi. Why wouldn't someone claim such a role? They're going to have to die anyway, right?

So as to try and pose as town?

Mafia claiming as a town PR of sorts would have less of a chance being lynched compared to Mafia claiming Vanilla Townie, who they could lynch due to the fact Town only lose a possible number of their faction instead of a cop, doctor, watcher, bulletproof or w/e., who they would be more wary of.

Also, the effect happens on N1 for Suicidal Townies. We're in D2. Do the math.

Also, did Rockin ever explain about his activity changes from the end of Day 1 to Day 2?

No I didn't and thanks for reminding me (Cause I remember Sworddancer asked about my absense like early on in D2 I believe

Truth be told, I was a bit busy during the near deadline of D1, and only had time to speak like after things have been decided. I'm hoping to do a bit better in activity, but I can't promise as much now that I am currently modding a Mafia game and doing DG interviews from time to time.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Ranmaru always posts like that, whether town or mafia.

Yeah that vote after the Rockin link is weird.

Those 4 ppl J quoted got onto X1's wagon just before the deadline. If I was X1's scum buddy I would not want to risk even trying to bus him that close, because the table could turn and he could actually be lynched quickly because of the time constraint.

Swords Tery J DH are town 4 now.

Cut the man some slack, I think hes having person troubles.

Anyway, where was I?

Oh yeah. Im okay with Rockin/Vocal/DH maybe.

Gotta do the reread toNight and I will got a better candidate. Kirby is not being lynched over that technicality.

If he does not die toNight by vig then we might need to consider him for a future lynch, as he obviously should not be around late game. Regardless, we had such pure X1 data because he doubted he was getting lynched. We should definitely focus on that toDay.

which is it?

 

[Rockin]

Ran or Vokester should go toDay imo. Also...



ITT Rockin doesn't think Ronike is a good mod. Noted.

No. I think Ronike is a good mod.

I just think you're a bad liar

Dude seriously, why isn't there more votes for this guy? The guy is lying about his role hardcore and I have yet to see anything he did in terms of proving he's town.

Kuz, still waiting on that case good sir.

 

[#HBC | J]

Time to burst your little bubble th3kuzi.

I did a quick skim of X1-12s posts

here is what I found. Number next to the name indicates how many times X1 directly referenced the person in a post (not just responded to something that they said to him)

Sworddancer 6
th3kuzinator 14
Tandora 8
Ranmaru 5
Kirbyoshi 9
Cello_Marl 13
Sir Bedevere 1
Teryble Doom~ 10
Dark Horse 8
J 6
-Vocal- 2
Rockin 2

What if X1 did not talk to certain people because his mafia meta is kindof obvious.
Maybe in reality he talked to people more in order to try and hide the fact that they were his scumbuddies?
How about if he knew you would bring this up and did what he did to trick us?
He could have not done anything at all and you are correct but who knows.

WIFOM is your entire reason for lynching Vocal/Rockin correct? Show proof besides meta reasoning behind why you wanna lynch them.

Let's change the tables what if X1 talked to You/Tery/Cello because he knew of his weakness and did a 180 in style to cover his flaw? Should we lynch in this group to see if it is correct? If so then let's

Unvote
Vote: th3kuzi

Also this vote is here for your extremely weird play. You came into the day saying "OMG X1's flip clears me automatically so I am town. Now let me try and find out who else is town because I can read X1 like a book." What is this even and why has no one questioned you? Why have people even agreed to listen to that fact. No body is even cleared from anything. Who are you to line up who could be lynched when you are still on the chopping block your self. In fact why aren't more votes on you? Hmm

1.) Swords, vote th3kuzi in your next post. Trust me cuz I was right before and proved you were needed to double check.
2.) Tandora, vote th3kuzi or you are dieing next or very soon.
3.) Kirbyoshi, if you don't vote th3kuzi then I am going to go along with Rockin and lynch you because lynching you is definetely a good idea.
4.) Rockin, question for you. If we were to lynch Kirbyoshi and he were to pop Town Suicidal you would be lynched next. Are you okay with this? Are you that confident? Give me your answer and let's see what happens.
5.) Teryble Doom~, vote th3kuzi now. It'll be useful.
6.) DH, you don't seem to care for how th3kuzi is playing and you are viewing him as scummy, why are you not voting him? Vote him now or I will vote you and get you lynched.

I want th3kuzi.
Next two would be DH for scumminess then KY because if he is telling the truth he does need to die soon but this really depends on Rockin's response which I can wait for.

th3kuzi how would you feel about being lynched? Not that it matters cuz it's going to happen unless someone else wants to be lynched in your place. Why did you clear yourself on your own meta of X1. It makes you look incredibly scummy and just like "oh well since he was scum that means I am 100% town." X1 is such a gambity person which most of the times they fail. Why did you clear DH/Swords/Myself/Tery again? Cuz scum-buddies wouldn't bus that quick to deadline? That's a lie. Scum-buddies would and they WOULD be the first to hop onto a wagon that is built and seems to be catching support plus no one was expecting what I was gonna do which in the end makes your point moot. What do you think of Sword's response to my action right after I did where he said he coughed up a lung? Do you think he was surprised from this statement? Does it look for town or scum from it? Should Tom be looked at more, you've expressed Sir B's posted looked townie but what about them made yoiu think they were townie? Is Rockin scummy? If so where exactly? Same with Ran. Tandora/Vocal, if one of them are scum, who is it and why? Could both of them be on the same scum team? Teryble, he seems to be flying under the radar as of late now that he is not the center of attention. What do you think about this? You seem to clear him along with a couple others as being town.

If someone can bring a better person to lynch then do it. Otherwise th3kuzi is dieing toDay.

 

[Rockin]

While I'm not fond of being lynched, I would understand (and indeed take the lynch the next day if KY is indeed town suicidal. Still a fat chance though). I am indeed confident in this.

Now question, if KY does indeed either turn up as some sort of indie or Mafia, what would your viewpoint be on me would be like? Would you trust me more?

 

[Teryble Doom~]

J, What do you mean by "flying under the radar"? I've been reading and posting my comments as I've gone along.

Kirbyoshi, I think you need to give some more input aside from "y so defensive?" in your posts, especially after Rockin and Tandora have their eyes on you because they don't believe your claim. However, I personally don't see why you would fake claim such a role--I'll have to search for the post where you roleclaim, but you're definitely going if you are. Not because of your role or whatever, but because of some issues regarding how you've been posting.

As of now, I'm completely okay with voting th3kuzinator or Kirbyoshi. Tandora and Rockin need to be looked into. Ranmaru needs to post so I can further analyse his play, as I have previously stated.

Tom and Delvro, how caught are you two at this point?

Sir Bedevere, where you at bro? I'd like to see Sworddancer's opinion on what has gone on so far.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'd be willing to trust you more yes. Viewpoint I'd need to think about it more.

I'd be willing to trust you more now if you were to put your vote on th3kuzi.

So are you saying you are 100% okay to be lynched if KY pops town? Even though you extremely highly doubt this fact.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, What do you mean by "flying under the radar"? I've been reading and posting my comments as I've gone along.

As of now, I'm completely okay with voting th3kuzinator or Kirbyoshi.

Sir Bedevere, where you at bro? I'd like to see Sworddancer's opinion on what has gone on so far.

Tom replaced Sir B, skimming?

Flying under the radar is you have not really been sticking your neck out anymore and the fact that you just admitted that you are only reading and commenting on a few things is strange. Also I haven't really seen as much as I have wanted from you, especially after being saved from a lynch.

If you are okay with it, do it then instead of just saying. Are you afraid to put your vote down?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh another fact,

Cello replaced out because of me being in this game. That's his reasoning.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, i'm not voting him because kirb needs to die.

Nice cello imitation.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Pathetic mistake. I was supposed to cop that out but whatever.

I'm sorry if I'm not "sticking my neck out". I have other obligations and while I was saved from being lynched yesterday, I was grilling Ranmaru the entire time on how X1-12 was so faulty, much like how you were.

If you're very confident in this, then I will support it. Your thought process makes sense, as opposed to th3kuzinator's.

Vote: th3kuzinator

Define more. You want to see more from, of which I am contributing (perhaps not the best since I'm a rookie after all) but you have nothing to say to Ranmaru and the like? Sworddancer? Tandora?