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Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

Teryble Doom~

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J said:
and the fact that you just admitted that you are only reading and commenting on a few things
I'm sorry what? Since the start, I have commented on th3kuzinator and Dark Horse's pointless argument, Rockin's appeal that Kirbyoshi's claim is illegit, Tandora's responses to Rockin, asking the replacements on their progress, among others. I fail to see how that's "a few things". Because nowhere in my post did I saw "a few things." Either that or my understanding of the English word "few" is really messed up.
 

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Cello said:
Rockin, sworddancer (hi!), th3kuzinator, and Sold2 were on both wagons, so they must all be scum! Even S2.
Well after we eliminate Sold2, Me and Sword we only have Rockin who was left on both wagons.

th3kuzinator said:
vote -vocal-

you were the lone rider of that Dark Horse wagon d2. What do you have to say for yourself?
Which I still find has some merit, however, this is his response.

Vocal said:
Um...I'm severely confused @_@

You guys are saying that he took the activity from DBZ mafia and transplanted it here? What does that mean? Player count, roles, setup? I don't even want to start thinking about getting into the terrible business that would be trying to decipher those votecounts >.<

And

Vote: KirbYoshi

Yu no visit Oli boards no moar. I dun liek yu.


Does not even make reference to the vote I placed on him and simply skips over it to regress back to the flavor. Noobscum afraid to cross vote. At the time, I was L-5.'

Sworddancer's 97 is pretty weird. X1 DH and I have been going back and forth about my unvote and he just sidesteps the conversation and responds to a single vote by kirbyoshi

X1's 123 directly asks Sword to jump on my wagon while at L-3 and Swords refuses. DH plays pretty poorly concerning my wagon at that time, but I don't think he is scum for it.

After people had been discussing lynching Rockin for some time (Cello, Ran, DH, Kirbyoshi, Teryble) Vocal comes in with his 159 and completely changes the subject/comments on something trivial. Also take note that X1 was active in the conversation concerning my scuminess and DH's towniness but then disappeared when we started to talk about Rockin.

Tandora said:
Tandora said:
onestly, if I was Rockin' I'd be afraid to say anything any more. No matter what he says or how town he acts he gets lynched (in the two games I've been in with him of course)
Defending Rockin' despite him not having posted once the entire game.

Vocal said:
Um

Just throwing this out there

But why are you trying to garner support to lynch someone who hasn't even posted in the thread once yet? Posting to confirm knowledge that the game has begun and then becoming inactive is one thing, but that is not the case here. I find it curious that you focus on the only person not currently present, who may or may not have a good reason for being absent.

I'm not defending him or buddying him (as it makes me uncomfortable that he hasn't posted yet as well) but I would simply like to know more about your thought process.


Also backing up Rockin'. He even says he is not trying to defend or buddy him. The fact that he included that last passage means he was aware of how his post might come off and wanted to make sure he was not viewed in that light. If he knew that, why not simply revise his post? Cuz it would lose the message of "stop picking on Rockin."

Would also like to note the Vocal skipped over the entire Cello/X1 vs Kuz thing at the start of the Day and only got interested when his boy Rockin came under fire.

Tandora said:
Also, I double checked and the mod did not confirm Jester is not in this game. That makes me really nervous with Kuz's claims that there was a guilty on him, his self vote, and his strange logic on Vocal. Unless I am convinced otherwise, if Kuz goes to L-1, I will autohammer him. So, don't put Kuz to L-1 unless we're ready for him to die.
After reflecting back, Tando, would you still auto-hammer me if I got to L-1?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11981764&postcount=176

Easy way to possibly interact with a Scumbuddy w/o posting much content.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11981866&postcount=179

More unneeded attention from X1 --> DH. I still maintain that DH is probably not scum.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11982036&postcount=191

Comes back after not posting for awhile and has nothing to actually say about the Rockin' lynch or the confrontation with X1/DH/Cello

X1 said:
@Ran: There are certain actions that you could do which most people would dismiss as noobtown, however if you do any of these actions I will get you lynched. What do you think about this?
This freaking comes of out nowhere. I dunno about SvS, looks SvT imo.

Vocal said:
I'm new to the world of forum mafia, but is it at all possible that Rockin has a role that keeps him from posting, especially since he's viewing it right now and still hasn't said anything?


Still defending Rockin's inactivity. Acknowledges he is new so people wont take his point on Rockin' too seriously.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11982366&postcount=211

This post seems accurate to how a townie might respond IMO. I think Ran is town.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11982556&postcount=219

Comes into the game after making a grand show that he had re-read everything and pretty much posted fluff or stuff we had already gone over.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11982740&postcount=221

Further just defends himself from Cello. Despite reading the game, has nothing that stands out to him as scummy.

Actually, scratch what I said about Kirbyoshi being town, could go either way.

Cello asks Rockin about his stances on Kirbyoshi, since they both came under fire, and Rockin just chose to respond to the posts related to him and ignored talking about Kirbyoshi. Kirbyoshi/Rockin connection.

Sword noticed Ran's inactivity and Ran responded in a townie fashion. Very TvT interactions if you as ask me.

So from my above posts, I will remove Ranmaru and add Kirbyoshi.

Kirbyoshi
Tandora
Rockin
Vocal

Are all okay with me toDay (this if from the beginning of page 7)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11983440&postcount=250

PERFECT scum buddy deflection. Is asked between Kirbyoshi or Rockin and throws out a tentative Kirbyoshi but then quickly says he would rather vote Cello than either of them. Major scum-vocal tell IMO.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11983999&postcount=255

@Vocal, can you explain the first sentance?

Second large paragraph shows he has not properly read the beginning of the Day.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11984164&postcount=257

That reasoning is ridiculous. It really did not take that much insight to realize that Rockin's entry posts were sub-par yet you clear him based on them. Reads to me as, "I dont want to vote Rockin even though hes posted 4 times and looks scummy, so lets see how Kirbyoshi will respond to pressure."

X1 said:
@Vocal: Do you have any objections if I literally ignore your posts with the exception of when you ask me questions and/or someone specifically asks me about you? This is to prevent me or you getting angry again, Majoras you know. To clarify this isn't a personal attack, our playstyles/personalities just clash so this is me trying to avoid that.
Does this not set off a warning flag from ANYONE?! They had not argued once this entire game and suddenly, out of the blue, X1 tells everyone he has established a valid excuse for ignoring Vocal this entire game. I dont care about Majora's Mask johns, that simply Bull****

Cello said:
@Rockin and Kirbyoshi: Why do you refuse to talk about important subjects, including each other?
Took the freaking words out of my mouth.

Also this does a pretty good job.

Cello said:
Yes, DH. That's EXACTLY why we're lynching Kirbyoshi. It's not because he kept attacking Sworddancer for no reason at all well past RVS, including the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" tunneling/backed off moment. It's not because he tried to portray himself as Superhero Kirbyoshi by being the one who went back to DBZ to reread it for clues to help us all. It's not because he said Kuz isn't scum (buddying up to him), and yet did not either back it up or try to stop the momentum building up against him. Such as your hate of Kuz. Why doesn't he talk to you about how you think Kuz is scum? Shouldn't he see Kuz's scummy behavior (whatever that is, I don't see it either). It's not because he's more interested in Social Thread references than playing the game. It's not because he thought Sir Bed's posts were legit, when they are flaming piles of incandescent moonbow magical death stupid monkey barrels that need to be purified in the holy light of Chimmy Changa Taco. It's not because he's twice made excuses for his behavior. It's not because he gave Rockin a hard time for being inactive, but then tried to portray him in as good a light as possible after he "got into the game" (he hasn't yet, really).

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11984587&postcount=263

Simply agreeing that he will ignore X1 for the rest of the game -_-

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11984687&postcount=269

KIRBYOSHI DOES NOT EVEN RESPOND TO THAT WALL OF TEXT THAT CELLO RAISES AGAINST HIM, VOCAL HAS TO DO IT INSTEAD *facepalm*

Besides, the last three quotes that Vocal presents are the unimportant interactions Cello was talking about

1. "Is making you laugh a legitimate reason to back off" --> Self explanatory
2. Metaing the mod
3. Defending Rockin based on the fact that Rockin posted in a normal "catchup" playstyle, which we all know is BS because we should be able to assume the Rockin can make inferences for himself for his first post.

Kirbyoshi just rides this defense and just states that he agrees with Vocal.

Vocal and Kirbyoshi may be SvS, probably SvT.

Stepping back and taking a look, it seems to me that Vocal is kind of just flailing a case at Cello. TownVocal vs ScumKirbyoshi seems likely.

Also scum X1 flip flops on Kirbyoshi before the wagon can really get started.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11986531&postcount=293

Kirbyoshi tells vocal that Cello is not scum anymore and *poof* Vocal agrees. Still probably noobtown.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11985758&postcount=288

Ran, why did you only ask Kirby that question despite calling all three of us out?

Tanny said:
I can see the point Vocal is making. However, anyone can pretty much take three posts and make a point on them. I don't feel they necessarily prove KY's alignment. I think however, it does point positively towards Vocal for pulling them up.
"Vocal has a point, but that does not mean anything for Cello or KY, but the fact that Vocal even brought it up means hes leaning town"

K. Ill remove Vocal out for now, his reactions seem townish enough and it just looks like he is just making bad cases. I don't think he is very scummy.

Tanny/Kirbyoshi/Rockin are now the remaining 3.

Tanny said:
And I"m really glad we're moving away from the DBZ flavor and it being "D3". Although those reactions are good to look at, I don't think our whole discussions needed to be about them.

As far as X1 goes, yeah I see him as being scummy. But he's always on my scumdar and I've found that makes me tunnel unnecessarily. Ironically, it makes me less likely to lead a lynch on him because of that personal WIFOM.
For the first part --> Again, no one had talked about DBZ for some time, why do we keep returning to this?

For the second part --> "X1 is scummy, but I am not going to be too assertive on calling him out for it because he always looks scummy to me."

If tanny is scum I doubt Kirbyoshi is.

I was also scum buddies with Tanny in DnD. She also does not like to communicate with her buddies that much in thread. I could see Tanny/Rockin

Rockin said:
Vocal! I'm liking how you're posting right now. Plz keep it up. Do you feel there's anything scummy going on between me, Kirbyoshi, and Kuz? Also, don't be afraid to ask me stuff.
ScumRockin buddying TownVocal? Probably.

X1 said:
@Rockin: I disagree with you if you think wagonning on D1 is a bad play
When asked about Kirbyoshi vs Rockin, X1 goes Kirbyoshi while subsequently ignoring rockin. Now, to force an interaction, this is what he says? Thats all he can think to say to Rockin after all that content?

I'm still maintain Kirbyoshi/Tanny/Rockin, three best lynch candidates.

Still,

Unvote
Vote Rockin

I'll do more later, Rockin is a great play toDay, not only because he looks scummy and has terrible interactions with X1, but he will give me great reads on other players.

I also think Tanny vs Kirbyoshi is SvT. Tanny/Rockin possible again.

Sorry in advance for any typo I make







 

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Tery, my "y so defensive?" post was @kuz, who, to my knowledge, does not doubt my claim. Also, I would like to know what issues you have with how I'm posting as soon as you can. Kthx.

I seriously don't know what I can say to "defend" my role. I have said what my Role PM says about my role, and yes, I did look at the link Rockin posted, and I did notice that I am not a traditional "Suicidal Townie." But that doesn't negate what my PM says.
 

#HBC | J

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J, i'm not voting him because kirb needs to die.

Nice cello imitation.
Why? Is this like the same reason why I needed to die in FF6? If not then you are lieing.

Vote th3kuzi and be quiet, I would never imitate such a horrid style that only works on the off chance. If th3kuzi flips mafia like he should then I'll listen to you more however if he were to flip town then you would be the next to be lynched.

Vote: th3kuzinator
Thank you for voting.
 

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Ohi wall of text, that took awhile.

TL;DR?

Rockin is scum based on his play, his forced interactions with X1 and his lack of inferences (he just summed many things up). He is also a good candidate for a lynch cuz we will get reads on Kirbyoshi, Tanny and Vocal.

We should vote rockin.
 

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Tery, my "y so defensive?" post was @kuz, who, to my knowledge, does not doubt my claim. Also, I would like to know what issues you have with how I'm posting as soon as you can. Kthx.

I seriously don't know what I can say to "defend" my role. I have said what my Role PM says about my role, and yes, I did look at the link Rockin posted, and I did notice that I am not a traditional "Suicidal Townie." But that doesn't negate what my PM says.
Tery, my "y so defensive?" post was @kuz, who, to my knowledge, does not doubt my claim. Also, I would like to know what issues you have with how I'm posting as soon as you can. Kthx.

I seriously don't know what I can say to "defend" my role. I have said what my Role PM says about my role, and yes, I did look at the link Rockin posted, and I did notice that I am not a traditional "Suicidal Townie." But that doesn't negate what my PM says.


More or less that even if so, you should be contributing more about everything. About the current targeting on th3kuzinator? What about Rockin and Tandora? What about th3kuzinator's posts on a list of possible Mafia? Have you really nothing to say about that?
 

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kuz.

What.

The.

****.

Why are you going back to "first 2 Days" flavor? You know we have already declared that useless, right?

Unvote Ran, Vote: th3kuzinator

Not for the same reasons as J, but I'm now on dat wagon.
 

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J said:
Why did you clear yourself on your own meta of X1


Cuz I am town, and it makes sense. Also, gotta love how Teryble votes me as well because it looks like "J seems sure of himself." Dont let him get cocky cuz he pinned X1. X1 was playing obv scummy

J, do you honestly believe I am scum? Really now?
 

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Very Unpretty Vote Count (cause I'm not at home)(7/12 to lynch)
Dark Horse:
Kirbyoshi[3]: Dark Horse, Rockin, Tandora
-Vocal-:
Ranmaru:
Tom:
Rockin[2]: Delvro, Kuz
Kuz[3]: J, Teryble Doom, Kirbyoshi

Activities:
Kuz: 1/27
J: 1/27
Kirb: 1/27
Tery: 1/27
Dark Horse: 1/27
Rockin: 1/27
Delvro: 1/27
Tandora: 1/27
Sworddancer: 1/27
Ran: 1/26

Tom: 1/26
-Vocal-:1/25
 

#HBC | J

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Tery after th3kuzi's last WOT (wall of text) would you still like to keep your vote on him?

After his post what about Rockin?

Rockin's opinion on voting th3kuzi just got more interesting.
 

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kuz.

What.

The.

****.

Why are you going back to "first 2 Days" flavor? You know we have already declared that useless, right?

Unvote Ran, Vote: th3kuzinator

Not for the same reasons as J, but I'm now on dat wagon.
CLEARLY skimmed my entire post because if you had read PAST THE FIRST TWO LINES you would have realized I quickly transitioned out of that.

Town, what are you freaking thinking.
 

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Oh yeah, kirbyoshi butthurt cuz I changed his mind on him.

kirbyoshi said:
Also siding with kuz in that X1 wouldn't pull something like that early game to one of his scummates. Heck, I would even say nobody would pull that. So kuz is town.
Guess it was convenient to flip flop that opinion after I changed my mind on you. And that reasoning is freaking BS and you know you did not even read what I wrote. Dumb or scum imo
 

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How is it accurate?

Only you can prove it apparantly. Are we supposed to trust you to believe it?
 

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J, since I can only prove it, despite Kirbyoshi and DH and other previously agreeing with it, what are you hoping to get out of my lynch besides a dead townie?

What info would you gain upon that flip?
 

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This post also struck me as weird. I've posted during this rl day, so why are you activity hunting on me?
I'm hunting everyone, becuase I was to see their opinion. Aside from Tom and Delvro, who are obviously replacements and catching up.

It doesn't make sense to me that J would be suspicious that I'm not as "active" when other members were just as active as I was during D1 who have seemingly disappeared at the start of D2.

I'm new, so I don't know the merits or drawbacks of referring to activities which occured in the previous day--in my first Mafia, I was lynched D1--so I'm not too sure. As previously stated, I'm suspicious of th3kuzinator, Kirbyoshi, and Tandora the most. Everyone else should post more / opinions and stuff.
 

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You are deeply intertwined with pretty much every person in this game.

Your flip will give info on the following:

DH
Vocal
Tandora
Rockin
Delvro (who replaced Cello)
Kirbyoshi
J
Possibly:
Ran
Teryble~

Are you saying you are against being lynched?
 

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I'm new, so I don't know the merits or drawbacks of referring to activities which occured in the previous day--in my first Mafia, I was lynched D1--so I'm not too sure. As previously stated, I'm suspicious of th3kuzinator, Kirbyoshi, and Tandora the most. Everyone else should post more / opinions and stuff.
What happened to your Tandora town read from yesterDay? Or was that Joey side saying that.

To get to the point I was thinking you were less active then I remember but after doing a quick scan through the other posts of the Day it seems I was clearly mistaken. I should have checked more and I apologize for that.
 

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I'd be willing to trust you more yes. Viewpoint I'd need to think about it more.

I'd be willing to trust you more now if you were to put your vote on th3kuzi.

So are you saying you are 100% okay to be lynched if KY pops town? Even though you extremely highly doubt this fact.
Yes. I would be completly okay with being lynched if KY pops up as town.

I want to put my vote Kuz, but I'm more focused on KY. If KY comes up as Mafia, it would make Cello's sudden reaction to my case on KY's role a bit more clear, as well as Kuz (who was following Cello). Don't get me wrong though, he's slightly scummy even without the need of KY's flip, but only slightly (it's mainly cause he didn't want to answer my question on D1 and his sudden interest of wanting to lynch me).
 

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So, for your plan to make sense, J, I would have had to convince X1 to try bussing me in the first 50 posts of the game when there was absolutely no reason to. On top of that we would then have to make X1's counter argument bad enough that people might start voting X1 enough to lynch him so that I could clear myself after his flip. I am also sure we were expecting him to get executed which is why we let the tables get turned of my wagon onto his.

Cuz if we had actually gone through and lynched me it would have made X1 look bad, so we decided again that plan of action.

OR, I have nothing to do with it and X1 unvoted me and went to Kirbyoshi and then to Teryble because he was afraid of looking bad upon my townie lynch.
 

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J, in what ways does th3kuzinator's flip influence opinions on you or me (as examples). I just wanna understand how you pulled more than half our players onto that list regarding th3kuzinator's flip.

-Vocal-, what are your opinions thus far?
 

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So would you stop a th3kuzi lynch to prevail your KY lynch?

Your voting KY because you think he is a liar and has scummy behaviour.

You realize that if we were to lynch KY and he would pop town then we have a NK and assuming you would possibly be town then another NK we would be down 4 people.

Then we would still have to lynch th3kuzi which we had put off for 2 Days.

Are you still okay with a possible 4 townies dieing to make sure 100%? Are you this confident to put of th3kuzi lynch till D6?
 

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So, for your plan to make sense, J, I would have had to convince X1 to try bussing me in the first 50 posts of the game when there was absolutely no reason to. On top of that we would then have to make X1's counter argument bad enough that people might start voting X1 enough to lynch him so that I could clear myself after his flip. I am also sure we were expecting him to get executed which is why we let the tables get turned of my wagon onto his.

Cuz if we had actually gone through and lynched me it would have made X1 look bad, so we decided again that plan of action.

OR, I have nothing to do with it and X1 unvoted me and went to Kirbyoshi and then to Teryble because he was afraid of looking bad upon my townie lynch.
So your defense is WIFOM to an offense that was brought up because of WIFOM you caused?

Tery, I said possibly with you. Also do you not agree we would learn all those people with his flip? Kuzi has been active and made connections to alot of people. Are you saying we would not get that much info out of his lynch even if he were to not pop scum? Make a list on who would we gain more info off of in regards to th3kuzi's flip.
 

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Ronike, is there any reason why some people aren't included in the vote count?
Yes, I'm at school so I did it as fast as possible, which meant only people that had been voted for are on the list. If you like, ill make it pretty later.
 

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So, J, summarize for me what changed your town read on me D1 into a scum read D2. Is it for clearing myself based on accurate X1 meta? If so, other people agreed with my sentiments (swords, dh, kirby) so i am not the only one who feels this way. Is it for the beginning of D2? If so I considered myself cleared and did not feel the need to play coy.

But seriously, no one finds Kirbyoshi's vote on me weird considering his only reason was that, in the first line of my Wall, I briefly commented on the flavor.

Kirby said:
kuz, transitioning out of something does not mean you didn't post it.
kirby, posting something does not mean I planned to make it a major part of my case. Looks like you just took the first thing you did not agree with and voted me.
 

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Read the first 10 out of 25 pages so far. Vocal and X1 and Tandora are reasonably scummy (winning scum strategy = agree with Cello a bunch, seen it a hundred times). Sir Bedevere doesn't exist, this worries me.

I'll finish reading tonight. I don't yet know who died last Night Phase. Hopefully one of those 4.
You better go back and reread because I did not buddy Cello. In fact, I tried several times to get Cello to stop his normal erratic, tunneling style of play. >=O
 

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And J, how else are we going to go about clearing people? From their interactions with X1.

From that, Tery, Me, DH, You, Swords and Cello are town.

Ran and vocal have been playing well, tom is getting caught up.

leaves kirbyoshi, rockin and tando.

Am I opposed to my lynch? Absolutly not, but only if town can't see past J's case into why Rockin/Tando/Kirby are scum.
 

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glad to see kirby, rockin and tanny took the the time to read my post and respond to it.

Considering how all three of them are my top pics.
 

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So, J, summarize for me what changed your town read on me D1 into a scum read D2. Is it for clearing myself based on accurate X1 meta? If so, other people agreed with my sentiments (swords, dh, kirby) so i am not the only one who feels this way. Is it for the beginning of D2? If so I considered myself cleared and did not feel the need to play coy.
This entire paragraph is my reason.

You refuse to even admit that it is scummy to what you have done and let's take a look at your defense.

First response: Other people agreed with me so if I am wrong they are wrong. Accurate? Still haven't shown proof to this. Mirror defensing a bit here.

Second response: That's just straight up arrogance in thinking people would agree and you think people should just automatically clear you. Why did you think that everyone should just say, "Kuzi is auto-town cuz of X1's flip!"?

Do you not think anything of what you have done toDay is scummy? Is my attack on you scummy? Are you seeing this as a town or scum tell? Disregard I have cleared myself for these questions.

Also th3kuzi, opinions change.
 

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Well after we eliminate Sold2, Me and Sword we only have Rockin who was left on both wagons.
How can you call it a wagon when we don't have a flip on that person? We don't even have a complete clear yet.

In fact, most of your "proof" is completely circumstantial. You're completely depending on the fact your assumed meta on X1 is gonna be golden fact. In your WoT, you clear Vocal on something I said without any proof of either of our alignments yet.

After reflecting back, Tando, would you still auto-hammer me if I got to L-1?

Yes. I may be wrong about the jester thing, I may not. But if you're still acting that scummy by the time you hit L-1, it's time for you to go. So, you better have made a claim by L-2.
 

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CLEARLY skimmed my entire post because if you had read PAST THE FIRST TWO LINES you would have realized I quickly transitioned out of that.

Town, what are you freaking thinking.
We're thinking you're scum.

And J, I'll definitely vote Kuz when he's L-1. I don't want any shenanigans. IGMEOU, Kuz.
 

Rockin

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glad to see kirby, rockin and tanny took the the time to read my post and respond to it.

Considering how all three of them are my top pics.
Oh, that was your case on me? I shall check that in a second

And also, fine J. Since you seem to really want Kuz gone (can't blame ya much lol)

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