Ike vs Marth

[Emblem Lord]

I find Marth very creative. Then again I enjoy sword play and all types of martial arts so I can appreciate him more.

Link's sword play seems very brutish and amateurish.

I think HAL really captured what graceful sword play is all about with Marth.

There are clones in all fighting games.

 

[_the_sandman_]

>b, >b, >b, vb

My mistake, he has a whopping one other attack that slashes more than ONCE.

We can't forget about the DSmash or Nair now, I wouldn't want to hear about those attacks all night.

I find Marth very creative. Then again I enjoy sword play and all types of martial arts so I can appreciate him more.

Link's sword play seems very brutish and amateurish.

I think HAL really captured what graceful sword play is all about with Marth.

There are clones in all fighting games.

I respect your point of view.

 

[Salaad]

My mistake, he has a whopping one other attack that slashes more than ONCE.

We can't forget about the DSmash or Nair now, I wouldn't want to hear about those attacks all night.





I respect your point of view.

Don't be an Idiot, you should respect all characters, and not be so picky about Marth or whoever. Wow, Game and Watch, dam..Really creative with a Bacon B attack..They got so creative he actually looks like paper!...Seriously, Marth's whole Fighting style is Slashes that are in ARCS.... "He should be out because his moveset isn't creative" No, then you might aswell take Falco, Ganondorf, Young Link, Docter Mario and Pichu...Do some research about Marth and then tell me if his moveset isn't "Creative"

 

[_the_sandman_]

Don't be an Idiot, you should respect all characters, and not be so picky about Marth or whoever. Wow, Game and Watch, dam..Really creative with a Bacon B attack..They got so creative he actually looks like paper!...Seriously, Marth's whole Fighting style is Slashes that are in ARCS.... "He should be out because his moveset isn't creative" No, then you might aswell take Falco, Ganondorf, Young Link, Docter Mario and Pichu...Do some research about Marth and then tell me if his moveset isn't "Creative"

I didn't mean it like that. Its just that Eternal phoenix Fire goes on tons of topics and does nothing but argue. Find him on other topics, I'm sure you can find him arguing. I was just saying its fun to be able to actually "play a character's game". Marth's game is Japan only so not everyone can play it over here.

When I play smash, I like to have played other character's game. I bought Metal Gear Solid because Snake appeared in Brawl. I bought Ice Climber because the Ice Climbers appeared in Melee. This rule goes for all the characters on the roster. But I can't do it with Marth. But I CAN do it with Ike. Which is why I said I liked him more than Marth, cause I can experience him outside of Smash.

Go back to my first post on this thread (a page back I think) and you'll see how this argument started.

 

[Dark Shard]

Some people were asking what the difference between Marth and Ike is.

Allow me to sum it up in a nice, tidy fasion. If you've played with Ike in FE9, you'll understand.

Marth should win, because despite being a pansy a** girly man, he kicks tons of a** in every game he was in, including, Melee.

...


Ike, however makes Chuck Norris whimper. Epic. Freaking. WIN.
Ike has godliness in just about EVERY important stat.
With the addition of his sword Ragnel... Oh my god, here goes...
- Infinate uses
- Raised strength and critical
- not weighed down
- a distance attack
- negate enemy defence
- refill own health

...

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

But all of his moves are one sword swipe. Creative? What are you? Stupid?

Seriously kid, all you ever want to do is argue with people. Saying Marth is more creative than Mr. Game and Watch is just ignorant. Are you really that blind?

If I'm not mistaking, doesn't he have a CLONE? Yeah real creative, so creative they made another version of him. Why... why do you always do this to people?

Why are you calling me a kid? I'm about to be 18.

I never said one character was more creative than the other, you just assumed that. Creativity in a character doesn't derive from a random variety of attacks that came from a game, nor does it have anything the weapon used. It's unique values come from how each technique is used. Implementing techniques(despite how they may 'look') in a specific fashion makes them unique. Just because a move has a different animation doesn't mean it can be used for unique purposes. You're confusing aesthetics for true inovation.

And Roy? He was supposed to be Sigurd from Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu(The most popular Fire Emblem in existance), but since there was time limitations, they decided to throw in Roy for advertising purposes.

A character being unique has nothing to do with clones, that's just ignorant. Since Link is such a unique sword fighter, why does he have a clone? If Fox has a unique "kicks only" type fighting style, then why does he have a clone. And what about Pikachu? Yeah, your argument is pretty much invalid.

Why do I always do this? Because I can, and I really couldn't give a **** about what you think about me, the same can be said for anything else for that matter.

I find it to be a great contradiction that you call me a kid. If I was a kid, what did you bring yourself down to my childish level just to have an argument? You're no better.

I'm done.

 

[Aether_Lord]

Sorry dark shard but marth was a bad character at his first game which people called him the low growth rate syndrome v_v he wasnt all that great in his game <played it by the way. But Ike should still get respect. But you do have a point he does kick *** ^^. And no Chunk Norris doesnt when its something about Ike. Chuck Norris is so strong his tears can cure cancer, but he never crys.... And please calm down Phoenix and everyone please dont need the violence^^;;;; hope this problem can be solved

 

[PyrasTerran]

Saying Marth is more creative than Mr. Game and Watch is just ignorant. Are you really that blind?

You're the one that's blind I'm afraid.. the dude never said that.

What's the point in using a character if you can't play their game? Its like you're cheating yourself out of an experience. Its fun using a character in Smash whos game I have played before. That way I know why they are in the game in the first place. Not to mention how neat it is to pick out which moves came from which games.

Why do I have to have played the game?

I've never played Ice Climbers, Game & Watch or Kid Icarus, I've never played a single Fire Emblem game nor have I played Metal Gear Solid or any Metroid game for more than 10 minutes. The only Wario game I've played is Wario Ware: Smooth Moves.

Despite all that, I am still going to have just as much fun with the characters as anyone else.

When I play smash, I like to have played other character's game. I bought Metal Gear Solid because Snake appeared in Brawl. I bought Ice Climber because the Ice Climbers appeared in Melee. This rule goes for all the characters on the roster. But I can't do it with Marth.

Uhm, technically, you can. It's not impossible.

Even so, why on earth does the character have to have been playable internationally in a previous game?

It is that kind of mentality that would have kept Marth and Roy from being in Melee, and subsequently would have kept Fire Emblem from being international, thus, keeping Ike from being playable in Brawl today.

 

[edgeswipe21]

I don't expect Ike to be like marth but more like roy. Y IS IKE WINNING!!! i wouldn't mind if hes replacement for roy.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Muahahahahaha


Ike rule but i like marth as well


ike is in brawl

he is in brawl


that driven me crazy

 

[Whisk]

Hmm, Ike has been confirmed along with a Fire Emblem stage, but just beacuse of that don't think Marth's gone yet. My reasons why Marth might return:

• Marth is the main character of the first Fire Emblem game.

• Because of his and Roy's appearence in Melee, Fire Emblem gained popularity outside Japan.

• The symbol for the series is still the Falchion. (Marth's sword.)

• They both have different sword-fighting styles and abilities.

Not saying he's practically confirmed or implying that I'm right, just to note to his fans that he still has a chance. I knew Ike had to be in though, his popularity and the Fire Emblem stage gave it all away.

 

[Paladin-Marth]

Alright first things first, i agree that Ike is awesome but i still think that Marth should be in Brawl, i wouldn't mind AS ,much if Ike replaced Roy but if he does replace Marth i'm going to be disappointed, and main Pit instead.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

i honestly dont think theres only going to be 2 reps tho. they could have Marth Roy Ike and Lyn and probly give each one a costume from another FE game. thats honestly wut i think, evn tho it also sounds stupid to meXD

 

[Archimbald]

Ike looks like a solid replacement for Marth for one big reason:
His sword, Ragnell, is a Falchion style sword.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

Ike ftw, he definatly looks way cooler than marth imo, and less homo,

i think he will be just like marth tho (playstyle)

 

[FrostByte]

Ike was always a bit too generic for my tastes. Big muscular man with a big muscular sword. His style lacks the grace in the appearance that Marth has.

 

[J-Red]

I agree. Ike looks rather clumsy in the screenshots. Especially the one where he's jumping backwards away from Link.

 

[WhiteOblv]

I personally played PoR (path of radiance) and ike is in no way slow, he is actually very very fast. I beleive ike will be pwning in brawl.

 

[Mar~]

Marth po ó_ò

 

[J-Red]

Yea but this isn't PoR. We can't tell for sure how he's going to play but we do know he will probably be wicked strong so there's a good chance he won't be too fast. Plus if Marth is in Brawl they could easily be eachothers counter part Ike-strength over speed, Marth-speed over strength.

I've never played any FE games so to anyone who has....What do you think we'll be at the bottom of Castle Siege?

 

[UltimaLuminaire]

Allow me to sum it up in a nice, tidy fasion. If you've played with Ike in FE9, you'll understand.

Marth should win, because despite being a pansy a** girly man, he kicks tons of a** in every game he was in, including, Melee.

...


Ike, however makes Chuck Norris whimper. Epic. Freaking. WIN.
Ike has godliness in just about EVERY important stat.
With the addition of his sword Ragnel... Oh my god, here goes...
- Infinate uses
- Raised strength and critical
- not weighed down
- a distance attack
- negate enemy defence
- refill own health

...

You forgot that Ragnell (again, also known as Alondite in Japan) adds +5 to defense. Also, the Ragnell cannot refill health. I believe you're confusing that ability with Aether. Roy's Sword of Seals, however, can refill his own health. The Ragnell cannot negate enemy defenses. I think you're still confused with Aether.

Sorry dark shard but marth was a bad character at his first game which people called him the low growth rate syndrome v_v he wasnt all that great in his game <played it by the way. But Ike should still get respect. But you do have a point he does kick *** ^^. And no Chunk Norris doesnt when its something about Ike. Chuck Norris is so strong his tears can cure cancer, but he never crys.... And please calm down Phoenix and everyone please dont need the violence^^;;;; hope this problem can be solved

True. However, I largely believe that his SSBM character is his older self from the 3rd FE game, Mystery of the Emblem, in which there are two parts to the game. The first part is just a remake of FE1, while the second part is a new chapter in Marth's story all together. In Book Two, Marth becomes, quite frankly, a powerhouse.

I didn't mean it like that. Its just that Eternal phoenix Fire goes on tons of topics and does nothing but argue. Find him on other topics, I'm sure you can find him arguing. I was just saying its fun to be able to actually "play a character's game". Marth's game is Japan only so not everyone can play it over here.

When I play smash, I like to have played other character's game. I bought Metal Gear Solid because Snake appeared in Brawl. I bought Ice Climber because the Ice Climbers appeared in Melee. This rule goes for all the characters on the roster. But I can't do it with Marth. But I CAN do it with Ike. Which is why I said I liked him more than Marth, cause I can experience him outside of Smash.

Go back to my first post on this thread (a page back I think) and you'll see how this argument started.

As you are aware of, there are a few ways of playing the older NES and SNES FE games. You need only to look for them.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth has pants and is more confident just like his FE3 self in SSBM. So it's obviously his FE3 incarnation.

 

[SuperAce]

I agree. Ike looks rather clumsy in the screenshots. Especially the one where he's jumping backwards away from Link.

Yeah, i gotta go with Marth on this one. Ike is surprisingly agile, I'll admit. But he doesn't have the speed Marth has displayed on Fire Emblem 3 or in Smash. Ike is a bit overpowering too, but he doesn't have the added fire power like Roy. I stick by Triune Fire Emblem theory (Marth = Speed, Roy = Power, Ike = Jump/Agility).
And personally, Marth is probably the best fighter. You can be super strong, but strength is worthless if you can't catch up to your target long enough to hit him right?

 

[xMizux]

wow, u guys sure love ike dont u??

 

[.:DRAKE:.]

Actually when my friend first showed me SSBM a long, long time ago, I thought Marth (who at the time I knew absolutely nothing about) was a chick because of his voice

Oh, and he wears a headband. Eugh.

 

[Cyberbot5000]

What does Aether do in Fire Emblem as it says its his special move?

 

[Dark Sonic]

It makes your attack a double stike. The first hit refils your hp by the amount of damage dealt. The second negates half of the enemy's defense before calculating damage.

 

[The Black Cat]

Oh c'mon, you can't make me choose! I main Marth, it's fun to make my Fox/Falco shine crazy friends mad cuz they can't get past my range. Now I never played PoR, but I wanted to. They're the two spots on opposite ends of the spectrum that I equally love. I guess I'd go with Ike if I had to pick one though, cuz Marth will always be in Melee. But if they take away Marth's circlet and give him a hair cut then it would be 50/50 down to a decimal.

 

[EXE]

What does Aether do in Fire Emblem as it says its his special move?

In his game, Aether makes him attack twice: First attack ignores the enemy's defense, and the second heals Ike for the same mount of damage he deals. Both attacks hit the opponent, even if he dies after the first one.

 

[Dark Sonic]

In his game, Aether makes him attack twice: First attack ignores the enemy's defense, and the second heals Ike for the same mount of damage he deals. Both attacks hit the opponent, even if he dies after the first one.

You've got them backwards. Aether is Sol and then Luna.

 

[EXE]

You've got them backwards. Aether is Sol and then Luna.

You're right. I'm sorry.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DdI10VedxM

How can you NOT like Ike? To be honest with you, this should be his final smash. And Ike has a unique sword style all his own. Only his father had the same style but now he's dead.

Plus, he flips and moves quickly in a lot of his criticals so I don't know where you guys are getting this "not as graceful" stuff...

 

[flicker]

I want both, but if we can't get both.

Look at sig

 

[Pokebrawl]

Hopefully bith, though I voted for Ike.

 

[PyrasTerran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DdI10VedxM

How can you NOT like Ike? To be honest with you, this should be his final smash. And Ike has a unique sword style all his own. Only his father had the same style but now he's dead.

Plus, he flips and moves quickly in a lot of his criticals so I don't know where you guys are getting this "not as graceful" stuff...

Eh, that was kinda dull.

And moving quickly is not the same thing as moving gracefully.

 

[flicker]

Yeah moving quickly is definetly not moving gracefully.

Krunk dancing is fast but not graceful.

Ballet is slow yet graceful.

That was such a bad comparison.

 

[Circus]

Yeah moving quickly is definetly not moving gracefully.

Krunk dancing is fast but not graceful.

Ballet is slow yet graceful.

That was such a bad comparison.

Hey, it got the point across.

Way to use "krunk" in a meaningful post, by the way. A near impossible feat, that is.

 

[Sugoi]

Marth > Ike

because much like his sword, his sweet spot is at the tip~

 

[flicker]

Anyways, personally I think Ike is just the new Roy with modifications. I'm thinking he'll have a considerably different moveset than Marth in SSBB.

I'm sure the difference in tiers is minimized between Ike and Marth so that both will be regularly used.

Imagine Ikes major difference is the tipper is now the whole sword. Actually that might be a bit TOO cheap

 

[Shiko755]

Ike>Marth

his sword looks so much more bad***