Ike vs Marth

[Kalypso]

Heaven or Hell, Duel 1, Let's Rock

(Voting for which you'd rather see in Brawl, as if this were a mystery)

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Really, while I like Marth and want him to return, it has to Ike.

If it's between the two, I'd rather they went for the one with an internationally released game, not to mention I'd like to see how Ike is implemented in a smash game, so I'd rather Marth passes on the torch to a new character rather than prevent someone getting in by staying in a second time.

 

[Wiseguy]

Heaven or Hell, Duel 1, Let's Rock

(Voting for which you'd rather see in Brawl, as if this were a mystery)

You sir, are my hero!

Ike destroys Marth. Techinally, both have starred in two Fire Emblem games, however given that Ike's games are popular worldwide (while Marth's are Japanese-only) Ike is a far better representative of the series.

It is also a scientific fact that Ike is infinitely cooler.

Can you spot the differences? Hint: Ike is the one who DOESN'T look like a pansy.

 

[NukeA6]

Ike, though I feel Marth should be in.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Can you spot the differences? Hint: Ike is the one who DOESN'T look like a pansy.

*tear*









THANK you.

 

[Kalypso]

Wow Marth is getting ****ing shut down. Wow.

 

[Caael]

Ike. He'll probably just be marth, like have the same moves, but look cooler.

 

[OmegaXXII]

while I like both Marth and Ike I believe Marth should return because without a doubt he is the original Fire Emblem hero, but then again it might not be a good idea because fire emblem does need some newer representation and Ike would be perfect to fit the spot, but ultimatly I don't care who make it as long as one of them appears...better yet both!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike deffinatly gets my vote on this one. Not only he's more recent, he also is international and has a more intressting fighting style than Marth. Yep, Ike all the way!

 

[SpitFire15]

I don't play Fire Emblem, but Ike does look a bit cooler.

Marth has little girly hands and wears a tiara lol.

 

[Oni Andrew]

Ike, no doubt about it. And to complete the Fire Emblem Three (one for each weapon), Hector and Ephraim!

 

[petre]

Ike, no doubt about it. And to complete the Fire Emblem Three (one for each weapon), Hector and Ephraim!

heck no, we need hector and FLORINA!!!!

but yeah ike wins no contest.

 

[whiterob]

Ike. He'll probably just be marth, like have the same moves, but look cooler.

I couldn't agree more. Ike should be in and just be a cooler, more masculine version of Marth.

 

[ClarkJables]

marth was one of my favorite characters in melee. i would really want to see him return, but i am not a big fe fan so i want to know what is the major difference between marth and ike, besides looks. how does ike fight and what would his moves be?

 

[LukeFonFabre]

One of the most notable differences is that Ike's signature weapon, the Ragnell, has rangel properties, which pretty much guarantees him a projectile move. It's also more of a broadsword as opposed to Marth's rapier-esque falchion, so it'd probably be more power based yet slower.

And while Marth is a very knightly and disciplined swordsman, fighting as gracefully as he looks, Ike is more self taught and is much rougher and less disciplined, and unlike Marth who is a prince, Ike is a mercenary, which also differentiates their style somewhat.

 

[ClarkJables]

sounds interesting, they both sound good. put them and black knight in brawl and ill be happy

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

What's with all of the ******* bashing Marth because Ike looks cool?

Juvenile to the highest extent.Not to mention Ike's background(A guy who has amnesia with unspecific revenge,how original) is just about as deep and compeling as his character design.

OMG blue spiky hair,so kawaii!!!!

Head Band!!! Kewl

He's so tough*squeel*

Big cool sword,even more awsomer!! M I RITE!?!?!

Ike would just be like another Roy in terms of speed and priority.Not to mention that Ike's character design really sucks(As do alot of the recent Fire Emblem characters).You can't simply replace a character such as Marth because they play diffirent ways.Sure,you can have both of them in the game,but there are much better heavy swordsman such as Sigurd.

So what if Marth has some feminin features? Why does every sword character have to be this coll strait-out-of-an-anime,gung ho,ridiculously strong macho man?Marth is a unique and fast swordsman,and that is unique in itself considering you don't see that many characters who bare any similarity to a female swordsman(I personally don't care about any feminin looks).

In my opinion,Marth is a better character in general over Ike.I rather have a well disciplined swordsman than a painstakenly lame swordsman with and underdeveloped fighting style.But if you must have him,just keep both Ike and Marth.There is room for more than one Fire Emblem character.

 

[Wiseguy]

What's with all of the ******* bashing Marth because Ike looks cool?

Juvenile to the highest extent.Not to mention Ike's background(A guy who has amnesia with unspecific revenge,how original) is just about as deep and compeling as his character design.

No offense dude, but did you actually play Ike's game, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance? In said game: (spoilers)

Spoiler

Ike's father Greil is killed in front of his by the infamous Black Knight, forcing him to become the leader of his father's mecernary group. He doesn't have amnesia, and his tale of revenge is anything but unspecific.

I recomend that you play PoR before making any outlandish judgements. Personally, I consider the story to be exceptional by any standard and Ike to be among the more interesting of lords.

OMG blue spiky hair,so kawaii!!!!

Head Band!!! Kewl

He's so tough*squeel*

Big cool sword,even more awsomer!! M I RITE!?!?!

Yes, but your grammer is atrocious.

Ike would just be like another Roy in terms of speed and priority.Not to mention that Ike's character design really sucks(As do alot of the recent Fire Emblem characters).You can't simply replace a character such as Marth because they play diffirent ways.Sure,you can have both of them in the game,but there are much better heavy swordsman such as Sigurd.

1) How do you know that Ike would be more similar to Roy's fighting style since you clearly haven't played PoR? Regardless, Ike's moveset would likely be extremely similar to Marth and Roy's - except Ike uses horizontal sword slaces instead of vertical and his sword has a powerful ranged attack.

2) The character design in PoR was great, in my view. And judging by how much Ike is winning in this poll, most people seem to agree.

3) Ike has a much greater chance of being included in Brawl than Marth or Sigurd. This is becuase their games were only released in Japan, while most FE fans today are outside japan. Conversely, Ike was the main lord in the onlygame in the series to be well recieved both in Japan and worldwide.

So what if Marth has some feminin features? Why does every sword character have to be this coll strait-out-of-an-anime,gung ho,ridiculously strong macho man?Marth is a unique and fast swordsman,and that is unique in itself considering you don't see that many characters who bare any similarity to a female swordsman(I personally don't care about any feminin looks).

I disagree. Too many japanese RPG heros are sissified girly-men like Marth, he is hardly unique. Ike, however, is a notable exception to this rule, in that he has an awesome charactrer design.

In my opinion,Marth is a better character in general over Ike.I rather have a well disciplined swordsman than a painstakenly lame swordsman with and underdeveloped fighting style.But if you must have him,just keep both Ike and Marth.There is room for more than one Fire Emblem character.

Once again, if you had played PoR, you would know that Ike becomes a disiplined (and extrmely potent) swordfighter.

"Painstakenly lame"? You mean that Intelligent Systems were trying to make him as lame as possible?

Ike's fighting style is hardly underdeveloped. It is given alot more attention in the game's story than most other lords.

There is room for one other FE character in Brawl. It could be Marth, though I am personally hoping for a more unique, less lame character instead - like Ike's nemesis, the Black Knight.

 

[.ReDLiNE-]

I completely agree with WiseGuy, Ike and Black Knight would be awesome in Brawl.

Besides, any other characters from FE, I feel, would not be as unique or fun to play as Ike and the Black Knight.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Juvenile to the highest extent.Not to mention Ike's background(A guy who has amnesia with unspecific revenge,how original) is just about as deep and compeling as his character design.

Did you actually played PoR? The story is nothing like that... >_>;

Ike would just be like another Roy in terms of speed and priority.Not to mention that Ike's character design really sucks(As do alot of the recent Fire Emblem characters).You can't simply replace a character such as Marth because they play diffirent ways.Sure,you can have both of them in the game,but there are much better heavy swordsman such as Sigurd.

Why would Ike be another Roy? Ike's Speed was basically his best stat (togheter with Skill and Strenght) and how can you judge priority? >_>; It isn't like "OMFG RIDLEY HAS CLAWZ HE MUST HAV AWSUM PRIORITY!!!!111" And why would Sigurd be better? He's a terribly overrated character...

So what if Marth has some feminin features? Why does every sword character have to be this coll strait-out-of-an-anime,gung ho,ridiculously strong macho man?Marth is a unique and fast swordsman,and that is unique in itself considering you don't see that many characters who bare any similarity to a female swordsman(I personally don't care about any feminin looks).

I don't care about feminin features either, but I still like Ike better. I actually played some bits of Fire Emblem 3 and I found that Marth had an extremly bland personality. Ike's pretty cliché too, but he had some good lines in the story and it was mostly thanks to him that forgein gamers can understand the story better since Fire Emblem has quite some difficult words. And besides, we now also have MetaKnight who's also a fast swordsman, and you could consider Pit as a quick swordsman too so who's more unique now?

In my opinion,Marth is a better character in general over Ike.I rather have a well disciplined swordsman than a painstakenly lame swordsman with and underdeveloped fighting style.But if you must have him,just keep both Ike and Marth.There is room for more than one Fire Emblem character.

No, Ike's fighting style isn't underdeveloped. Many enemies in PoR praise Ike for his unique style. Ike also does a lot of backflips and saltos for cricital hits and his Aether skill is also very suitable for Smash. Do I also still have to mention that 90% of Marth's moves where madeup in Melee? Ike (and most other newage FE characters) is/are a lot easier to draw moves from.

 

[burrito]

It's a hard decision for me, but I think I will be happy as long as there is a Fire Emblem character.

 

[Chaotix27]

It could be Marth, though I am personally hoping for a more unique, less lame character instead - like Ike's nemesis, the Black Knight.

I totally agree with your whole argument, Wiseguy, but how about instead of the Black Knight, we have a laguz instead? Lethe, Ranulf, or Naesala would be awesome in Brawl!

 

[Micahc]

Marth, because it takes a real man to wear a friggin' tiara.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

If I, personally, had to choose, I'd got with Ike, mostly because I know more about him.

 

[El HP]

Ike he is a badass mercenary.

 

[Inkslinger]

Marth wore a tiara in memory of his dead sister >_>...i think.

 

[Iggy K]

*Waves the Ike flag*

 

[Shuma]

Ike, Marth is a pansy, and Sigurd is the classic pansy Anime Gentleman. And adding Ike opens the door for the Black Knight in this game or a next one. But still, i don't think they should Axe Marth, there's nothing wrong with having 3 FE characters.

 

[ClarkJables]

hell to the yes for black knight in brawl. that just convinced my to support ike

 

[skullkidd]

I agree, Ike and Black Knight.
Ike has out-dated Marth, and is tougher, stronger, and doesn't look like a girl.
The Black Knight will present a Fire Emblem villain, and he is pure awesome.

 

[ClarkJables]

his taunt has to be "it's just a flesh wound!!!!"

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

No offense dude, but did you actually play Ike's game, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance? In said game: (spoilers)

Spoiler

Ike's father Greil is killed in front of his by the infamous Black Knight, forcing him to become the leader of his father's mecernary group. He doesn't have amnesia, and his tale of revenge is anything but unspecific.

I recomend that you play PoR before making any outlandish judgements. Personally, I consider the story to be exceptional by any standard and Ike to be among the more interesting of lords.

I said that to sum up the game to the level of a cliche.And how isn't it?

His father dies,he wants revenge.It's still a cliche.

Yes, but your grammer is atrocious.

If you would have looked closelyer,you would have noticed that I did that on purpose.(C Wut I did thar?)

XD

1) How do you know that Ike would be more similar to Roy's fighting style since you clearly haven't played PoR? Regardless, Ike's moveset would likely be extremely similar to Marth and Roy's - except Ike uses horizontal sword slaces instead of vertical and his sword has a powerful ranged attack.

I played some of it when I saw it at E3.I don't know any of his specific moves,but I know that he is more of a heavy swordsman rather than a light one like him.I actually with that they would add a swordmaster in Brawl.

2) The character design in PoR was great, in my view. And judging by how much Ike is winning in this poll, most people seem to agree.

This is pretty much my personal opinion of the matter,but I found some of the older character designs to look pretty good.Even though alot of the new ones(Such as Ephraim) great looking.But some of the new characters really don't appeal to me that much.

3) Ike has a much greater chance of being included in Brawl than Marth or Sigurd. This is becuase their games were only released in Japan, while most FE fans today are outside japan. Conversely, Ike was the main lord in the onlygame in the series to be well recieved both in Japan and worldwide.

I'm almost positive that Marth will return because of the simple fact that he:

1.Is the Lord that started the Fire Emblem franchise.

2.Was the only Lord that was in two Fire Emblem games.

3.Was a great character in Melee

4.Very well recognized(Mostly because of SSBM).

5.A unique character in Melee.

6.Too popular in Japan(Even though Sakrai wants to appeal to everyone,he would be stabbing Japan in the back.Having Marth back in brawl wouldn't hurt anyone either).

I disagree. Too many japanese RPG heros are sissified girly-men like Marth, he is hardly unique. Ike, however, is a notable exception to this rule, in that he has an awesome charactrer design.

If you ask me,it's pretty much balanced between girly men-and bad ***** in Japan.There really are no neutral characters in anime,it will always be an extreme.

Once again, if you had played PoR, you would know that Ike becomes a disiplined (and extrmely potent) swordfighter.


"Painstakenly lame"? You mean that Intelligent Systems were trying to make him as lame as possible?

Ike's fighting style is hardly underdeveloped. It is given alot more attention in the game's story than most other lords.

There is room for one other FE character in Brawl. It could be Marth, though I am personally hoping for a more unique, less lame character instead - like Ike's nemesis, the Black Knight.

A heavy sword character would be great for a change.

Even though I would personally like to a swordmaster,like Ayra:

She is the first of her kind; a Myrmidon/Swordsmaster character.

I can see some great things coming from her(Even though she is a speed character_.

 

[Shuma]

You clearly are a fan of Feminine characters. Nothing bad about it, i don't think Ike should replace Marth, but if i had to choose, i choose Ike, he at least looks like a man...

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

You clearly are a fan of Feminine characters. Nothing bad about it, i don't think Ike should replace Marth, but if i had to choose, i choose Ike, he at least looks like a man...

I actually do like the way Ike looks in that pic in my post.

You know what's weird,Sigurd was actually intended to be in melee,but they ran out of time and decided to add Roy for avertising.I'm starting to believe that Sigurd has very high chances in brawl because:

1.The reason I just stated

2.He is one of Sakurai's personal favorite characters

3.He is on Sakurai's list

4.Fire Emblem Seisen no Keifu may be getting Localization.

My dream Fire Emblem roster would be:

-Marth
-Ayra(Ira)
-Sigurd
-Ike.

Perfection.

 

[Shuma]

My Dream FE roster would be Marth, Ike, B. Knight. And i guess Sigurd, but i don't like him.

 

[Mini Mic]

Go Ike you badass go!

 

[Diddy Kong]

I said that to sum up the game to the level of a cliche.And how isn't it?

His father dies,he wants revenge.It's still a cliche.

No... Revenge doesn't take a major role in the story, it only plays a little role while Ike's actually fighting the Black Knight who isn't even the main villian in the game. The moment after Ike's father was killed, the plot wasn't about revenge but more about Ike taking the leadership of his father's mercenaries.

I played some of it when I saw it at E3.I don't know any of his specific moves,but I know that he is more of a heavy swordsman rather than a light one like him.I actually with that they would add a swordmaster in Brawl.

Well, Ike's much more like a Mercenarcy/Hero in terms of fighting style. Similair stats like you'd expect from a Hero, all well balanced but Ike's got a better STR, SKL and SPD. And even though Ike's father isn't playable, he's the only Hero in PoR.

So basically, Ike's style would be much like the Mercenary/Hero class with some vertical slashes and probarly a ranged sword move -which I wouldn't really like since it's basically just a sorta white sword-wave attack of some sorts.

This is pretty much my personal opinion of the matter,but I found some of the older character designs to look pretty good.Even though alot of the new ones(Such as Ephraim) great looking.But some of the new characters really don't appeal to me that much.

Well, yeah that's just personal opinion. I also like Ephraim's design, but Ike's isn't too bad either I think.

I'm almost positive that Marth will return because of the simple fact that he:

1.Is the Lord that started the Fire Emblem franchise.

2.Was the only Lord that was in two Fire Emblem games.

3.Was a great character in Melee

4.Very well recognized(Mostly because of SSBM).

5.A unique character in Melee.

6.Too popular in Japan(Even though Sakrai wants to appeal to everyone,he would be stabbing Japan in the back.Having Marth back in brawl wouldn't hurt anyone either).

1. True, can't deny that.

2. Not true, Ike also is the main hero in the upcomming FE title for the Wii. !!SPOILERS!!

Spoiler

In which he's a bit older and actually IS a Hero. The story takes place 2~3 years after PoR and thus is a direct sequel. When Ike promotes, he can also equip Axes.

!!SPOILERS!!

3. So was Sheik.

4. Can't deny that either, Marth is a very populair character in Melee.

5. And yet he still has a clone, Roy. In Brawl he'll be also less unique cause of MetaKnight and possibly Pit who are also fast sword fighters.

6. Yes true, and I also think Marth should return. But PoR was very good received in Japan aswell as in the west. Ike has a greater change than you'd think he has.

A heavy sword character would be great for a change.

We have Ganondorf for that. I'd like to say Samurai Goroh aswell, but he's already an Assisst Throphy... But yeah, Ganondorf should fill in that role the best.

 

[Wiseguy]

I said that to sum up the game to the level of a cliche.And how isn't it?

His father dies,he wants revenge.It's still a cliche.

Don't you think it would be best to play a game to completion before judging it's storyline?

I played some of it when I saw it at E3.I don't know any of his specific moves,but I know that he is more of a heavy swordsman rather than a light one like him.I actually with that they would add a swordmaster in Brawl.

He's not as nible as Marth in Melee, but I wouldn't have him a heavy swordfighter....

Needless to say, Ike has a fairly distinct fighting style, in particular: his unspeakably rad unlockable supper attack.

This is pretty much my personal opinion of the matter,but I found some of the older character designs to look pretty good.Even though alot of the new ones(Such as Ephraim) great looking.But some of the new characters really don't appeal to me that much.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I'm almost positive that Marth will return because of the simple fact that he:

1.Is the Lord that started the Fire Emblem franchise.

2.Was the only Lord that was in two Fire Emblem games.

3.Was a great character in Melee

4.Very well recognized(Mostly because of SSBM).

5.A unique character in Melee.

6.Too popular in Japan(Even though Sakrai wants to appeal to everyone,he would be stabbing Japan in the back.Having Marth back in brawl wouldn't hurt anyone either).

1) True enough.

2) Nope. Ike has starred in two: Path of radiance and Goddess of Dawn.

3) His moveset is certainly one of the more overpowered and cheap in the game, but that doesn't justify a return appearance since he would undoubtebly be nerfed anyway.

4) He is well known because of Melee, but so is the entire Melee roster. By that logic, no character could be cut.

5) Except for, you know, Roy...

6) Including Ike in place of Marth would not be stabbing Japan in the back. Ike is just as popular there as he is overseas (he was the second most requested character on Sakurai's poll, afterall...) so it would be an excellent way of appealing to ALL Fire Emblem fans, rather than just one specific region.

If you ask me,it's pretty much balanced between girly men-and bad ***** in Japan.There really are no neutral characters in anime,it will always be an extreme.

I suppose that's true enough...

A heavy sword character would be great for a change.

Even though I would personally like to a swordmaster,like Ayra:

She is the first of her kind; a Myrmidon/Swordsmaster character.

I can see some great things coming from her(Even though she is a speed character_.

She might be interesting, but I'm persoanlly against the inclusion of Japanese-only FE characters. We need FE reps who are from games that are universally popular, so that rules out all the japanese-only titles (which are only popular in Japan) and the GBA games (which are not looked upon favorably in japan) - leaving us with Ike and the Black Knight from the universally popular Path of Radiance.

 

[Wrath`]

Roy, well if was between marth and ike,i'd say both. but scince i cant say that i'll stick with the originator, marth.

 

[silver777]

but Marth is Mr.Fire Emblem just like Cloud is Mr.Final Fantasy.

they will never remove Marth IMO.