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The problem with that is that if it doesn't hit perfectly you'll get punished hard.
Buffering rolls is usually what I do. Its a melee habit but it often works.
Aether has light armor on start up. If you are at low % and the opponent isn't using a very strong attack the armor will protect you.
This is true.
I just played against a Tink and my Aether tanked his boomerang on startup.
You hit them with a shffl'd nair that you are also using to block their projectile. Congratulations, you have just successfully blocked a projectile, approached, and began a combo in one move.
Do you usually go for both hits or just the first?
(sometimes) In situations where I'm ledge-guarding a character that I space myself to be between the ledge and their potential ledge-roll distance I use the 1st hit of the Dsmash (with Ike's back facing the ledge) on reaction/read to a ledge-roll to send them right back off the stage. It's harder to do than a throw, but in the right situation it's more rewarding because the knockback is perfect ( sends them away and downward) for setting up another ledge-guard
Yeah I was thinking also if you face the ledge you could get the first hit in if they do the ledge attack but if it turns out they rolled instead you could use the second hit and that would cover some options.
If you want a visual, here's a rough indicator of where the sweetspot is; I think Ike can go slightly lower than that, but not by much.
frame 25-37 knock back based armor with a value of 80
Is this for a specific spacing? I just jab1> grab and I hit with the area around Ike's elbow/forearm with the jab. Does JC grab work if you hit only with the fist or with jab2?
I like this idea, can you point me to some video of this in action?
Yeah, if they're close enough to just get standing grabbed then I don't bother. However, if the opponent DIs out on the jab and if I hit with the fist, I opt to run forward a bit to minimize their chances of getting away.
I can't think of a specific instance where I do it in a recorded match, but I was doing this last night against some friends and it worked out pretty well. You don't want to run too far on the JC grab though, otherwise you give the opponent enough time to DI out and jump away from the grab.
Does this even work? Don't you have to wait the same amount of time to grab normally as you do to crouch first?
I finish the jab combo. The 3rd hit has enough knockback to push them to a safe distance.
It depends on the character; if they don't have good CC options, then I finish the jab combo. If they do, then I try to stop it prematurely to shield their counterattack and then punish that.
I sometimes do this, but some characters like G&W have fast enough CC options such that they can hit you between jab2 and jab3, since jab3 starts from high above Ike's head.
If they somehow figured out how to use the Ice Climber spawning mechanic for other characters, it would be very difficult and time consuming to create. So I don't think anyone that's not PMBR has done this to the extent where it is not buggy.
