You people all SAY you re-read yet you are showing me that you are lying seeing as how I've already addressed almost all of your points. This is seriously getting to be pathetically annoying; YOU PEOPLE KEEP MAKING ME REPEAT MYSELF!
Duke, you want to "get me talking"? Are you joking? I've had more posts than anyone else over the past couple pages. Don't even start saying "zomg he won't defend himslef lets vote for him to get him to talk" because it's utter bull****.
Anyway, let me proceed to repeat my points once again as I address SoUV's post:
SoUV said:
That is very odd that you defend frozenflame because I believe you both to be mafia. Let me explain in a very simple format:
The mafia obviously wants the pregnant woman so I will just roleplay out the situation that could have easily happened with the mafia...
Mafia 1: We need to make that pregnant woman "missing".
Mafia 2: But the only way to do that is if he/she goes on a mission.
Frozenflame: I got it, I will make a very well planned out accusation that anyone who does not join events are mafia. Obviously one of those people is going to be the pregnant woman so we can easily pin-point her by adding this pressure to her.
Mafia 1: Oh I see what your saying. And then she will maybe roleclaim and then we will find out who it is.
Frozenflame: Or we can just make that person go on the event to capture her ourselves and threaten that if anyone who doesn't go on the events are mafia.
Do you guys see how easy that is for frozenflame to have just happened upon the pregnant woman and I think it is a load of crap. I could tell that he was hinting at something because who would have thought that mafia can't go on events. That is such a far-fetched idea that there has to be something behind this plan.
This ENTIRE scenario is so horribly flawed. First of all, SINCE WHEN HAS JOINING EVENTS BEEN THE ONLY MEANS OF CAPTURING TOWNIES? You say you re-read but it's obvious you didn't do it very well seeing as how the mafia can capture one person every night. Also, since when has it been proven that the pregnant women can't go on events? As a matter of fact, your theory contradicts itself! You say that the only way the mafia can capture the pregnant woman is by making her go on an event. How can the mafia possibly do that if she can't even go on events? Why in the world would eorlingas state that capturing the pregnant woman helps the mafia win when there is no way for them to do it? Try bull****ting your way out of that.
SoUV said:
Isn't it in the least bit suspicious to anyone that frozenflame just came out of no where, he was inactive, and presented this very elaborate and kinda incredibly random, with absolutely no proof given, plan that mafia cannot join events. So he finally pin pointed ligolski and in a very unatural way pressured ligolski when it was completely unneccesary. If you were truly had good intentions for the town then you wouldn't even make an attempt to possibly bring out the pregnant woman. It is very easy for frozenflame to hide his intentions behind the plan that "oh well I was just trying to find the mafia" when really he is, very easily I might add, hiding the real plan which is to find that pregnant woman.
My theory WAS NOT RANDOM! Once again, you SAY you re-read but you are proving to me that you did a ****ty job. I explained when I presented my theory that the reason I beleived that the mafia couldn't join events was that they needed to be free to ambush people and capture them during the event. I also stated that ligolski, thedocsalive and riciardos were all fairly active players during the time when the majority of the players were inactive, yet they did not join any events in an effort to get the game moving again. Why would someone who is obviously very active and wants to get the game moving NOT contribute to the efforts? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T THATS WHY.
Secondly, I only pinpointed ligolski because he was the most active out of the three I originally stated. That much should be obvious. Also, at a time when virtually no one was posting, what kind of viable "proof" do you want me to have? You yourself have no definate "proof" of anything. Anything less of a guaranteed investigation is a THEORY and you don't need "proof." You need examples that support your theory; if any of us had solid proof then we wouldn't be debating.
Lastly I am going to need to ask you NEVER PUT EFFING WORDS IN MY MOUTH! WHEN DID I EVER TRY TO BRING OUT THE PREGNANT WOMAN! Yet another example of your ****ty effort at "re-reading" the thread. At first, ligolski said he was willing to reveal why he couldn't join events and THAT WAS IT. I said it would probably be a good idea, but by no means did I say he absolutely had to, nor did I ever suggest that he roleclaim. Then AFTER MY POST, ligolski went on to say "if I roleclaim it will have serious consequences, are you guys sure I should?" Then ONLY CAMO-MAN insisted that he roleclaim. ONLY CAMO-MAN. AM I CAMO-MAN? NO! Then, ligolski immediately roleclaimed, without waiting for anyone elses input. This makes it look like ligolski was following orders form a fellow mafia member if you ask me, seeing as how he addressed everyone yet acted on ONE person's command. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LIGOLSKI'S ROLECLAIM. Not once did I ever say "we should try to find out who the pregnant woman is."
PoUV said:
What makes me even more suspicious of him is that when ligolski finally admitted that he was the pregnant woman frozenflame in an incredibly unnatural way calls ligolski out on his B.S. claim. Hasn't anyone noticed that ligolski hasn't had anyone to defend him...he has totally been alone, I think that his "mafia pals" would have atleast came to help him out in some non-direct manner. We are letting frozenflame totally control the plan of the game.
I already stated why I said ligolski's claim was B.S. Starting to see a trend here? I've already addressed all of these points. Why do you have to be a moron and waste my time and effort like this. Next time, please ACTUALLY re-read before you go about claiming you did and start throwing ideas out in the open that I have already addressed.
Anyway, I beleive ligolski's claim to be a lie for a couple reasons. Firstly, any sensible person with such a delicate and potentially dangerous role should not role claim, or atleast not until the circumstances were absolutely dire. Was ligolski in a dire situation? NO! Not only did not have any votes on him, but only ONE PERSON insisted that he role claim. I would hardly call that a suitable situation for a roleclaim as sensitive as his. Also, you're little idea about ligolski being alone is complete B.S. If you would have actually re-read, you would have noticed that ligolski received defense from thedocsalive, camo-man(A KNOWN MAFIA MEMBER HINT HINT), duke, and okurama. If anyone
I was alone.
Also:
SoUV said:
I think that his "mafia pals" would have atleast came to help him out in some non-direct manner.
This has WIFOM written all over it. How do YOU know what the mafia would do? They could very easily have decided not to defend him because they knew someone would point that out like you have. This argument is completely void of any meaning.
SoUV said:
I think we shouldn't resolve to killing a townie. Frozenflame adamantly stated that ligolski is a threat either way; this is not true. The only way he is a threat is if he is IA or mafia. Frozenflame has not proven him to be either.
WRONG! HE IS A THREAT NO MATTER WHAT. If he is mafia alligned as I beleive him to be, then obviously he is a threat. If he is the pregnant woman like he claims to be then he IS STILL a threat. Just because it is possible that the mafia might not capture him does not make him any less of a threat. ITS THE FACT THAT THE MAFIA CAN AND WILL CAPTURE HIM THAT MAKES HIM A THREAT. You simply cannot argue that the pregnant woman isn't a threat to the town, because it isn't true. Giving the mafia a chance to capture the pregnant woman in exchange for saving what we don't even know to be a townie's life is a terrible idea. We are going to have to lynch someone anyway, which means the mafia is going to get their night kill. Why would you want to lynch someone else who may end up being a very important and helpful townie, as opposed to lynching someone who is probably mafia, but is a threat to the town either way? To do so would be ludicrous.
SoUV said:
As for the whole "he could potentially be a threat to the town" well then we will deal with it when he becomes a threat to the town. He can only be captured by the mafia if he is on a mission, so don't make him go on a mission. If and when there are tall tale signs of ligolski actually giving birth while in the custody of the mafia then we can kill off ligoslki/the child. But if you read the first post from eorlingas it clearly states that IF the pregnant woman gives birth when she is captured then the mafia will be strengthened. So there is still even a chance that ligolski could be captured and not even give birth.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE HORRIBLY WRONG! How do you suggest that we "deal with it" when the mafia grows in size (or possibly something worse) as a result of them capturing the pregnant woman? In mafia you should have a PREVENTATIVE attitude, not a reactionary one. Why in the world should we put ourselves in a position that leaves us open to be ravaged by the mafia when we could easily prevent such a terrible situation from occurring right now? If we allow the mafia to capture the pregnant woman and strenghthen themselves, I am certain it will be much too late for the town to be able to "deal with it."
As for your theory that the pregnant woman might not give birth while captured, WHY would you even want to take that chance? If the pregnant woman gives birth while captured the results could easily cause the mafia to win the game. Taking a risk like that would just be foolish.
SoUV said:
I know this puts me at great risk to make such an strong resistance against the beliefs of most of the members of this game. But I can't just sit back and watch frozenflame carry out this plan.
Sit back and watch me carry out my plan? If you haven't noticed, we have by no means even begun to "carry out my plan." We haven't even tested it. If we lynch ligolski, we could literally give ourselves a clear view on what we do next. If ligolski turns up town then you guys would have more than enough reason to do away with me, however if he turns up mafia, then we know that I may be on to something and we can pursue my theory.
Strong resistance? Don't make me laugh. Maybe if you had actually re-read the thread and brought up some NEW points, such a title would be fitting.
And lastly, here's something I forgot to do in my last post.
Vote: Ligolski