Ice Climbers Matchup Discussion REVAMPED - Week 1 Snaaaaaaaakeeeee

[Rubberbandman]

My main gripe with Hylian is the fact he tries to finish too quickly. You shouldnt be U smashing wolf at mid 90s. =/

Its like you're trolling me on purpose Jordan.

 

[Hylian]

My main gripe with Hylian is the fact he tries to finish too quickly. You shouldnt be U smashing wolf at mid 90s. =/

Its like you're trolling me on purpose Jordan.

Hahaha I usually don't try to do that, and you should be upsmashing wolf at 100%. The only times I do that is in tournament for some reason lol.

 

[GimR]

chain grab MK

get him to 70%

after the d-throw, b-throw hobble him as Nana slides over to you

Have Nana charge U-smash after Popo Ice Blocks.

Dash grab with popo and b-throw into full charged U-smash


Kill MK at 70%

 

[Rubberbandman]

Weight:
Link 1.030
Wolf 1.020

Not too far off, so I'd say 120%

 

[2-DJeff]

Its not 50-50, Its 60-40. And that is one mu that everyone around here can actually agree on.

The IC MK mu is 55:45 mk favor depending where you at
and id say its in IC favor at FD

 

[-LzR-]

PROTIP: Ratio's are based on a set. A set takes into account that MK will ban FD.

 

[2-DJeff]

PROTIP: Ratio's are based on a set. A set takes into account that MK will ban FD.

yea thats what i mean in some places its in IC favor and some MK

 

[ch33s3]

yea thats what i mean in some places its in IC favor and some MK

It's never in our favor, anywhere, ever.

 

[2-DJeff]

It's never in our favor, anywhere, ever.

FD?

 

[Teh Future]

lol ics mk on fd is like... 60-40

 

[toobusytocare]

na it might be like 55:45 MK favor on fd just because h cant tornado as well

65:35 everywhere else though

 

[2-DJeff]

na it might be like 55:45 MK favor on fd just because h cant tornado as well

65:35 everywhere else though

65:35 on all other neutrals? lol your on crack

 

[Prawn]

no hes not

not at all

mk ****ing sucks for us

 

[Teh Future]

u guys suk vs mk llolololololololololollo

 

[2-DJeff]

no hes not

not at all

mk ****ing sucks for us

not on ever neutral. maybe on cp but no neutrals.

 

[ch33s3]

no hes not

not at all

mk ****ing sucks for us

This. It's 65-35 or so on neutrals that aren't FD (where it's still bad anyway). On CPs it's 8-2 maybe worse.

 

[X-FACTOR]

hmmmmm......

 

[Blacknight99923]

so I have a decent ICs (as in I know how to chain grab and I don't over fish for grabs)

how do I need to play the fox match up to maxmize the **** of 7-3?

 

[Rubberbandman]

7-3? More like 8-2.
And every Ice Climber fishes for grabs.

If you approach Fox and get in, you win. Thats the MU.

 

[Teh Future]

you guys don understand how matchups work lol.

 

[toobusytocare]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

Lets not start drug discussion, thanks.~128

 

[Smoom77]

don't do drugs please or talk about them here.

 

[FrozenHobo]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

lmao

+1 internet for you, good sir.

 

[Prawn]

don't do drugs please or talk about them here.

i love weed

i smoke it everyday

 

[Teh Future]

weed is expensive

 

[2-DJeff]

hmmmmm......

x factor i wanna hear your opinion on all this non sense lol

 

[Prawn]

x factor i wanna hear your opinion on all this non sense lol

whats nonsense?

have you ever played a top level mk who also has tons of IC experience?

I doubt it cause if you did you would be agreeing.

MK ***** us hard and its an uphill battle, i mean i like the matchup cause its fun and winnable but its ****ing hard

 

[Prawn]

i might agree that its like. 60-40 or 50-50 on fd...but i wouldnt really know because we never get to play there ever

 

[Prawn]

this just in, anybody who wants to make an opinion on a matchup number has to list a few names of people that are good that they have played LOL

 

[Prawn]

quad post get *****.

 

[ch33s3]

this just in, anybody who wants to make an opinion on a matchup number has to list a few names of people that are good that they have played LOL

This. Dear God Jesus Muhammad Allah Christ, THIS.

 

[Smoom77]

Is Dphat any good?

 

[Teh Future]

this just in, people that are terrible at the matchup and always loose dont get to post their idea on the matchup :DDDDDDD

 

[Smoom77]

Am I terrible at the matchup?

 

[2-DJeff]

whats nonsense?

have you ever played a top level mk who also has tons of IC experience?

I doubt it cause if you did you would be agreeing.

MK ***** us hard and its an uphill battle, i mean i like the matchup cause its fun and winnable but its ****ing hard

lmao have i played a top level MK lol try halberd, Seibrik ,afro and gallax also a lot of other mks. don't under estimate me because i don't comment on these boards that much. who do you play? cause most my plays place top 8 at least at every tourney and seibrik, halberd place top 3 all the time so yea. i played halberd once and seibrik a lot. i haven't played him last tourney though because i was busy playing afro. I would at least say 40-60 or 45-55 on neutrals but not 35-65 lol.

 

[Teh Future]

Am I terrible at the matchup?

i dont think so pal

i was referring to certain east coast ics that should get plenty of matchup exp. but somehow still are bad at it

 

[Hylian]

whats nonsense?

have you ever played a top level mk who also has tons of IC experience?

I doubt it cause if you did you would be agreeing.

MK ***** us hard and its an uphill battle, i mean i like the matchup cause its fun and winnable but its ****ing hard

Or, he might not be agreeing because mk doesn't **** IC's lol.

I've played pretty much every single top MK in the USA more than once. I've played with several of them frequently at different points. Most match-ups that are evenish are really hard if the person you are playing is around your skill level, it seems impossible when they are considerably better than you.

You guys are just seriously REALLY bad against mk. Like..REALLY bad. That is the only thing I can think of that would make you think mk ***** IC's. I could see MK having a slight advantage maybe because of counterpick, but otherwise lol. IC's limit mk's options sooo much while keeping almost all of theirs, they force MK to play in generally one specific way, and that is really easy to play against with experience and just being careful. If you don't overcommit yourself and just give mk nana to gimp then he won't be able to do **** to you.

You either don't grab MK because he is playing safe and win by % or by just killing him with uair or bair or something or you win because they try to play aggressive which puts them at risk for grabs.

 

[FrozenHobo]

i do have to say, it feels like MK isn't really THAT bad when played safely. true, he can **** up nana,but as long as you can read him and play safe/react accordingly its not as bad as it could be. :-\ i dunno, i just feel snake is harder, personally...


but i'm drunk, so what the **** do i know :-S

 

[Rubberbandman]

Anyone can **** up nana though. Thats why I don't see why people say "We beat Icies because once we get them separated nana is dead." Not a valid MU point anymore imo.

 

[Teh Future]

edlrL **** i dunno wbhat im say8in