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I don't think they should bring back wobbling because they took it out for a good reason. They are fixing the IC's grabs in the next patch, so the melee chaingrabs will be easier. I support the existence and use of infinites, especially if they are Project M originals. So for the most part I agree with DarkStarStorm(kind of a long name, you should just call yourself DSS in person)
The Wobble was very situational, I would be happy if they did that.
The Wobble was very situational, I would be happy if they put it in. As for the name, DS is what I use, otherwise it sounds like I dissing you.
Well I think also took it out because it was a problem in doubles as well. Two teammates could 'Wobble' an opponent.
Well it's two v one anyway. But I still wish they'd bring it back.
At this point, we're not really concerned with "the game of Brawl". We care about Project M and its future. Towards that end, wobbling is something that we will not be bringing back, melee or not.
Could you maybe put in a semi-wobble, one that only does like 20% before letting them go?
Those are called chaingrabs and handoffs.
You can handoff/chaingrab for more percent than that. You need to give up on Wobbling. It will not exist in this game.
It's not really the Wobble I'm after, it's the deep sigh of the opposing player as they set down their remote as soon as I grab them, or the desperate button mashing as they try to hopelessly escape my grab. After my tourney is over, I'll spend more time learning the character, for now, I'll bow out of this forum.
But that's not what happens. They try to DI out of it, or find something to tech on. Either way, their is nothing that'll force a player to resignedly set down the controller, and looking for that is really lame.
You know, when I see in my alerts that someone has quoted me, it makes me feel good, as if someone agrees with what I think. But telling me that the fact that I go after the IC because I think that they're awesome is lame: that's just mean. There are other ways to say the same thing that aren't mean or insulting. You guys take what is a friendly discussion between smashers into a, "I make you feel worse so I can look better," affair. Now, after my tournament is over, I'll come back here, and I can spend more time learning the character.
I think you misread my post. I never said that your thinking they're awesome is lame, I said that looking for an aspect of the game that lets you remove your opponents interaction with it is lame, as it changes the game from a competition to a kind of technical flex for you. Nobody is trying to make anybody else feel worse for the sake of it, I was just submitting that wanting something that makes your opponent "sigh and put down their controller" as you said, is a crappy want. I never want the people I play with to feel that way because it's jank for them, and an overall discouraging experience.
if only they were as adamant on " It doesn't merit special treatment" or" this nature detracting from a character. No matter the drawbacks or risks" with characters like say the STAR FOX team lol but im dreaming right? yeah thought so *cough* cause <insert because melee BS argument and reasoning---> here * cough*, i dont mind change to somone like the IC LONG as they remain effective and capable, weve seen a series of going over board with Nerfs and buffs do to crying wars and theory crafted claims every other update for long enough lol
ha sorry kinda my D**k moment lol i hate character untouchables like spacie and others bleeds over sometimes lol
not sure ive found any successful "melee" chaingrabs other than one handoff or one dthrow to dair if your lucky. nothing in succession can work. unless i justsuck at PM timing compared to brawl melee. i would love some videos to show me if this is the case.Melee chaingrabs
It takes even more skill to do the opposite, hold R on the CSS, pick ICs, and then watch the magic that is Solo Popo
Your 2nd reason is actually more on the side of keeping infinites in from what I can tell. When people complain about infinites it usually involves the combo being cheap and OP, but giving IC's sympathy points because 'going for it is risky' kinda makes it seem OK to leave it in (as it ensures their game won't devolve into one thing). Otherwise, I agree that IC's have enough buffs in PM that I'd be fine with their metagame evolving around fancy stuff like Desynchs, teamwork, and temporary grab combos. Infinites aren't the end of the world thoughNow with ICs in Project M with no Wobbling/Brawl hand offs, The ICs got some buffs on the Nana AI department who is now more capable of getting back on the stage and can still do Melee chaingrabs that can do a good amount of damage. I see this and I gotta say that I don't think that it belongs when ICs are solid enough. I say this for multiple reasons.
1. It eliminates interaction with your opponent which is what Wobbling/Brawl Handoffs did. I prefer outplaying the opponent than using an polarizing tech that your opponent has zero control over. This isn't Marvel.
2. It's a situational move that leaves the ICs in a very bad position. It's never a good idea for the ICs to be near the ledge because it poses the greatest chance for them to be separated which is easily their biggest weakness. If an Infinite leaves them in a mostly bad situation, then why leave it in?
The ICs have a strong grab game with the de-synchronizations. Just leaving something like this tech in isn't really necessary for the ICs and it does more harm than good given the position that they have to be in so that it can possibly work. Anyways, that's two cents, 50 cents, or my dollar and some change.
Does it seem like the risk is worth the reward to try and consistently set it up? And does it function consistently across the tournament legal stages?
Can you explain how exactly you set it up so I can try it?
I'm having trouble getting the space between the Ice Climbers when setting up for the infinite. Should I use normal grabs instead of jump-cancelled grabs?