Shy Guy!
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When is that?
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I was really wrong
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Shy Guy!
Smash Journeyman
Thats awesome, i think ill go with a couple of people. It looks worth the two hour drive lol
Zone
Smash Champion
It's worth more than that, Apparently it's worth flying to from out of the country.
Shy Guy!
Smash Journeyman
yeauh thats crazy i saw all those kids who already paid from all over!
mad cool
Zone
Smash Champion
I'm gonna try and make Apex and Cataclysm or w/e. Tipped off 6(I think). And hopefully a new pound will come about around January. These will most likely be my last national events. I'm gonna move out of USA if this internet regulation bull**** gets through. I'm gonna bail on this country before **** hits the fan with fail government officials in general.yeauh thats crazy i saw all those kids who already paid from all over!
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You make me think life sucks more.
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
i believe what axe posted is true. everyone has amazing capabilities. only low tiers take MUCH more experience and dedication than higher tiers...
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It is. You first of all have to accept that low tiers are bad, and you can't change that their bad nor how bad they are. You can change how bad or good your low tier is against your opponent's character.
Zone
Smash Champion
Nah, I believe all characters take nearly just as much experience.
Fox is way more incredibly harder to master than Zelda.
I think what you're getting at is that, ZELDA takes more effort into creating the meta-game, because So many people play fox, his is practically already made up. Zelda on the other hand, is missing a bunch of potential from lack of creativity and knowledge. Which unfairly fox already has from years of frame data/having more players to be creative.
Yes totally true, For example the sooner a man realizes Zelda's pressure game is pretty crap, The sooner you can work your way around that flaw, or even use the flaw as a bait.
Shy Guy!
Smash Journeyman
what internet regulation ****?
Im also considering to stop playing falco and some other tops to take a shot at competitive low tiers. Maybe i can make a break through lol
Zone
Smash Champion
Right now our government wants to spend billions on a way to regulate Internet. Meaning The government will choose what you can view on the web, and what you can't view.
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So this is more than just blocking porn and stuff, right? This is about constitutional rights, freedom of speech, and more important stuff, right?
Oracle
Smash Master
Zelda is a garbage character. Her Fair and bair are probably the only reasons she isn't the worst in the game.
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The Truth.
Zone
Smash Champion
Yes, They want to be able to also block things like "government Conspiracy theories"
but wtf, if a government really does start going wrong (Which it already has). How are you suppose to express your opinions on a wrongful ideal government.
But yes, it goes behind just blocking porn.
Nah, keep 1 high tier on the side atleast. That way if you ever truly give up on low tiers. you don't have to start from scratch.
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I kind of understand your complaints. Sadly, to be a politician where you could set forth good ideals are blocked by the need to actually stay in office. And to stay in office, you'll need to do what's popular and not always what's right. Our government is pretty flawed. You can preach good ideals and get elected into super high offices, but when you're there, you turn your back on them in a matter of days. Aka Obama. What happened to the withdrawing troops he told us about?
Zone
Smash Champion
To be fair with the healthcare bill, People were wanting a free health care plan like Canada's.
but after they found out how NOT good it is compared to our free market system. They wanted to change their minds, but apparently Congress is ******** and couldn't understand that the american people changed their minds with their greater than 70% dissapproval rate of the health care bill.
Another thing I hate about voting for president. Is why the hell are we always limited to two? For the pass like 4 presidential elections I didn't want to vote for anyone. Cuz I ended up not liking either one of them.
I also hate how when you end up deciding well I guess i'll vote for the lesser evil. The president presents his ideas in a package. And you may like 2-3 things out of the package, but you hate 4-5 other things. But you can't express that. And since you voted for him. He seems to think You want him to do all of those things.
Shy Guy!
Smash Journeyman
That is a fact? All that on internet reg?
and true,ill always keep falco lol
and true,ill always keep falco lol
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
this quote deserves to be saved i mean this is coming from the man who beat scar, drpp, AND jman with PIKACHU
AND by enemy logic has beaten mango
Mango<Kage<M2K<Hbox<PP<AXE
get at the kid
Rumikun
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This is Umbreon on my fiancee's account. I'd like to add to a few things:
Axe: your situation is different than our by what is already obviously character specific. That said, I agree that dedication and innovation can go a miraculous distance in a tournament bracket. However, your character is not defeated by a single tactic, and that tactic being the arguably best tactic in the game (dashdancing). Zelda has no pressure game as Zone said, but that can be played around with a more defensive style. I went so far as to master powershielding to fight lasers spam vs falco and was able to beat forward, dope, zanguzen, DA_dave (all sets), and even shiz for a few matches at their various primes before I lost to mango's falco narrowly at ROM1. However, Unlike lasers, Zelda has no answer for dashdancing into solid and reliable things. Zelda can even DI down on Marth's throw combos to eliminate all true combos except upthrow to fair to somewhat neutralize his DD game. Zelda can even DI down and away and if you're like frame perfect you can air dodge down into the ground out of downthrow knee before the knee hits (extremely hard). But Zelda literally has no way to stop Fox DD grab upthrow bair or Falcon upthrow upair. Your character might not have the same strengths as the top tiers but it does have the benefit of never losing to a single tactic.
As for Mario vs Zelda, Mario may be the better character but Zelda wins that match. At some point, Mario and Zelda will have to confront each other and when it happens, fsmash and kicks will win. I beat Cape Boss and Greenmario every time I played them with relatively little difficulty. I never had the opportunity to play DJ Nintendo's Mario but I won our mario ditto (lol) so it'd probably be much easier with Zelda but we'll probably never know.
Plank "plays" fox in that plank picks fox and pushes buttons while controlling that character. Plank doesn't play fox. His zelda is pretty good though iirc and I'd probably put him somewhere in the top 10 from what I've played as far as other zeldas go.
Also I think any zelda who refuses to learn sheik is probably a weak player in general. Sheik offers a lot of solutions to that character despite the incentive to nly ever play as sheik. Sheik is a unique and rewarding character to play as, takes just as much talent to play and no other character in the game plays like her at an advanced level.
Axe: your situation is different than our by what is already obviously character specific. That said, I agree that dedication and innovation can go a miraculous distance in a tournament bracket. However, your character is not defeated by a single tactic, and that tactic being the arguably best tactic in the game (dashdancing). Zelda has no pressure game as Zone said, but that can be played around with a more defensive style. I went so far as to master powershielding to fight lasers spam vs falco and was able to beat forward, dope, zanguzen, DA_dave (all sets), and even shiz for a few matches at their various primes before I lost to mango's falco narrowly at ROM1. However, Unlike lasers, Zelda has no answer for dashdancing into solid and reliable things. Zelda can even DI down on Marth's throw combos to eliminate all true combos except upthrow to fair to somewhat neutralize his DD game. Zelda can even DI down and away and if you're like frame perfect you can air dodge down into the ground out of downthrow knee before the knee hits (extremely hard). But Zelda literally has no way to stop Fox DD grab upthrow bair or Falcon upthrow upair. Your character might not have the same strengths as the top tiers but it does have the benefit of never losing to a single tactic.
As for Mario vs Zelda, Mario may be the better character but Zelda wins that match. At some point, Mario and Zelda will have to confront each other and when it happens, fsmash and kicks will win. I beat Cape Boss and Greenmario every time I played them with relatively little difficulty. I never had the opportunity to play DJ Nintendo's Mario but I won our mario ditto (lol) so it'd probably be much easier with Zelda but we'll probably never know.
Plank "plays" fox in that plank picks fox and pushes buttons while controlling that character. Plank doesn't play fox. His zelda is pretty good though iirc and I'd probably put him somewhere in the top 10 from what I've played as far as other zeldas go.
Also I think any zelda who refuses to learn sheik is probably a weak player in general. Sheik offers a lot of solutions to that character despite the incentive to nly ever play as sheik. Sheik is a unique and rewarding character to play as, takes just as much talent to play and no other character in the game plays like her at an advanced level.
thesage
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Mow, I wish you weren't banned lol.
thesage
Smash Hero
You still pushing buttons though plank. Stop doing that.
Zone
Smash Champion
Lol, I read this part and I thought of Shiek Chaingrabbing Axe's Pikachu
Zelda's weaknesses:
SLOW RUN/Short Wavedash/Short dashdance: Most characters, You can get really close, because they can bait alot closer because of long wavedashes/High speed. Zelda on the other hand Runs so slow and wavedashes so short, You have to keep a larget distance from People like Fox, Because If he just throws out a N-air and your trying to outrun it you can't. You have to sit in your shield if your too close. And what does fox do when you're not close? Run the hell away and shoot lasers like a Muddy swamp donkey. And unlike falco, Fox's lasers will beat your powershield game ; ; unless your like some sort of AR machine.
Come on man movement is a big part of the game. And Zelda is just about the worse next to Bowser.
Instant attacks, but long lag:
Alot of Zelda's Moves are like Link's Grab. Comes out instant, and high priority for most of them. But If you whiff, It's nearly a free punishment for most of your moves. And we all know exactly how often Link grabs in a game. Pretty much mostly when it's only guaranteed, like from a tech chase or get combo'd into a grab. Or shield grabbing marth's F-smash ect ect.
You gotta do like 3 down-airs to = 1 falcon down-air >.> wth is up with that. Knock back wise I mean, for when they don't Up+B cancel.
And if you're really unlucky, Your opponent is really good at smash DI'ing ur smashes. They automatically render 2 of your moves useless.
Rumikun
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fox in tourney last weekend vs husband
husband
husband
if the opponent DIs your fsmash in, it still combos into dsmash and can't be crouched iirc.
Shy Guy!
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Doin a little low tier trash talkin lol
krazyzyko
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Zelda has the best Down+B.
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But that's only when you factor in all other moves in the game. If you ignore all other moves, it's the worst move in the game because it uses up your free 69 frames which could be better spent elsewhere and you're only invincible from frames 34-43.
CookBadGrades
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only if you WANT to transform into sheik. also, if they realize your doing it, then your opponent can charge a smash and hit you as soon as you come out.
But a true thing is that Zelda has the fastest and one of the strongest down smashes.
ToP CaT
Smash Lord
this thread disappoints me