"I need a weapon" - Master Chief

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Yea, to add on to what BreadnJamTomorrow BreadnJamTomorrow and Gazorpazorpfield Gazorpazorpfield are saying, it's not that they're 2 FPS stars that's the issue, it's that aesthetically they do look similar. I'm fine with either getting in, but if you wanna boil it down to simplest, quick-glance terms, they are 2 armored green "marines" in a sci-fi setting who use both realistic and fantasy/fictional guns.

We have tons of RPGs, so more than one FPS won't be a problem. Let's say we compare only in an aesthetic sense Gordon Freeman from Half Life and BJ Blazkowicz from Wolfenstein. Yeah, Gold and Gray are their main color schemes, but there's no way you could write them off as too similar at first glance, even if they both got in. Chief and Doomguy are similar to their detractors not because they use guns, but because as far as they care, they're looking at 2 armored green badasses who solve their problems with little words and tons of guns in a sci-fi universe. As someone who supports Dixie Kong, I know what a similar look can do to the general opinion of a character, so just remember that when someone says MC and DG are too similar, they're not talking about gameplay.
 
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I have to admit I'm 100% biased towards Master Chief since I have not played a single DOOM game, though the one that's coming out is on my to buy list for sure.

That said, Bethesda owns the development studio that makes the DOOM games, therefore Doom Guy would be a Bethesda rep. Now, while personally I'd rather not have a Bethesda rep due to some scummy things they've done recently, that isn't a deciding factor.

Thing is, I want to say Chief has more of a chance of being a second or third Microsoft rep than Doom Guy has being the first or second Bethesda rep. Why do I say that? Simply because of two games/game series, which are seen in the modern day as far more popular and profitable than DOOM. If we were to get characters from Bethesda... without a doubt I'd say the first rep they'd pick would be the player character from Skyrim. I think it's obvious enough that I don't need to go into detail why that's the case, though I will add the Zelda content that was added into the Switch release of Skyrim is definitely a booster. Then the second thing in the way of Doom Guy is a main character from Fallout, similar reasons for Skyrim apply here as well, just on a lesser scale.

Of course, Minecraft and Halo are without a doubt more popular and profitable than Banjo is (don't misunderstand me, I'm happy AF they got in), so this may not even be a factor (maybe unless it's popularity and profitability in the Nintendo Fanbase specifically but uh... idk).

That said, this really is just me thinking Doom Guy wouldn't get in over Master Chief due to the fact Elder Scrolls and Fallout would have to be hurdles Doom Guy would have to jump over and I don't think any amount of nostalgia could help with that since they are all pretty old game series, even more so considering Wolfenstein is also a Bethesda owned IP and is/was pretty similar to Doom as well (though that may be different in this modern day of ours, again I basically only know the common stuff about these games besides Fallout, I've had prior experience with that series).

Meanwhile the only real competition Master Chief has now that Banjo and Kazooie are in would be Steve from Minecraft and in terms of the next smash game, the potential Gruntilda would be added as a second Microsoft rep as a villain for the Banjo-Kazooie series. Then again though... it's been over ten years and Dr. Eggman still isn't a playable character and a rep for the Sonic series, so third party villains are probably on a much lower priority than protagonists from third party series (maybe unless they're the mascot, examples being Monokuma from Danganronpa and Heihachi from Tekken). So, taking that potential of third party villains being a lower priority regardless of how popular or important they are, etc. etc. Chief's only real competition within Microsoft now is Steve.

So if we take into account what I've laid down, and assume the worst case scenario that they're the last from their companies to be added, not taking into account DLC the order would be:

Steve, Master Chief

Dovahkiin/Last Dragonborn, Vault Dweller, Doom Guy/Slayer

Putting Gruntildia (ignoring the bias against third party antagonists) and Wolfenstein into the mix...

Steve, Gruntildia, Master Chief

Dovahkiin/Last Dragonborn, Vault Dweller, B.J. Blazkowicz, Doom Guy/Slayer

So Chief would be in Smash 7 or 8 if that was the case, then Doom Guy/Slayer would be in Smash 8 or 9 if we go by that, but of course I very much doubt it would go this way for either of them.

That said, I have no problems with both Doom Guy and Master Chief co-existing in Smash Bros. I think it'd be pretty cool, and I do think their armors are distinct and different enough from one another, that the color of their armors being the same and their profession being similar as well wouldn't be that much of a problem, same goes for their arsenal and suit abilities. But if it has to be one or the other, I have no doubts in my mind it'd be Chief due to reasons stated earlier, even if this could be clouded by bias.
 
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I have to admit I'm 100% biased towards Master Chief since I have not played a single DOOM game, though the one that's coming out is on my to buy list for sure.

That said, Bethesda owns the development studio that makes the DOOM games, therefore Doom Guy would be a Bethesda rep. Now, while personally I'd rather not have a Bethesda rep due to some scummy things they've done recently, that isn't a deciding factor.

Thing is, I want to say Chief has more of a chance of being a second or third Microsoft rep than Doom Guy has being the first or second Bethesda rep. Why do I say that? Simply because of two games/game series, which are seen in the modern day as far more popular and profitable than DOOM. If we were to get characters from Bethesda... without a doubt I'd say the first rep they'd pick would be the player character from Skyrim. I think it's obvious enough that I don't need to go into detail why that's the case, though I will add the Zelda content that was added into the Switch release of Skyrim is definitely a booster. Then the second thing in the way of Doom Guy is a main character from Fallout, similar reasons for Skyrim apply here as well, just on a lesser scale.

Of course, Minecraft and Halo are without a doubt more popular and profitable than Banjo is (don't misunderstand me, I'm happy AF they got in), so this may not even be a factor (maybe unless it's popularity and profitability in the Nintendo Fanbase specifically but uh... idk).

That said, this really is just me thinking Doom Guy wouldn't get in over Master Chief due to the fact Elder Scrolls and Fallout would have to be hurdles Doom Guy would have to jump over and I don't think any amount of nostalgia could help with that since they are all pretty old game series, even more so considering Wolfenstein is also a Bethesda owned IP and is/was pretty similar to Doom as well (though that may be different in this modern day of ours, again I basically only know the common stuff about these games besides Fallout, I've had prior experience with that series).

Meanwhile the only real competition Master Chief has now that Banjo and Kazooie are in would be Steve from Minecraft and in terms of the next smash game, the potential Gruntilda would be added as a second Microsoft rep as a villain for the Banjo-Kazooie series. Then again though... it's been over ten years and Dr. Eggman still isn't a playable character and a rep for the Sonic series, so third party villains are probably on a much lower priority than protagonists from third party series (maybe unless they're the mascot, examples being Monokuma from Danganronpa and Heihachi from Tekken). So, taking that potential of third party villains being a lower priority regardless of how popular or important they are, etc. etc. Chief's only real competition within Microsoft now is Steve.

So if we take into account what I've laid down, and assume the worst case scenario that they're the last from their companies to be added, not taking into account DLC the order would be:

Steve, Master Chief

Dovahkiin/Last Dragonborn, Vault Dweller, Doom Guy/Slayer

Putting Gruntildia (ignoring the bias against third party antagonists) and Wolfenstein into the mix...

Steve, Gruntildia, Master Chief

Dovahkiin/Last Dragonborn, Vault Dweller, B.J. Blazkowicz, Doom Guy/Slayer

So Chief would be in Smash 7 or 8 if that was the case, then Doom Guy/Slayer would be in Smash 8 or 9 if we go by that, but of course I very much doubt it would go this way for either of them.

That said, I have no problems with both Doom Guy and Master Chief co-existing in Smash Bros. I think it'd be pretty cool, and I do think their armors are distinct and different enough from one another, that the color of their armors being the same and their profession being similar as well wouldn't be that much of a problem, same goes for their arsenal and suit abilities. But if it has to be one or the other, I have no doubts in my mind it'd be Chief due to reasons stated earlier, even if this could be clouded by bias.
Nice write-up! Though I'm not sure you're being entirely fair to DOOM. I'll agree with you that Bethesda's Dragonborn would likely take priority over their Doomslayer, but he'd probably be second in line. Fallout has plenty of popularity, but no star-power like the other two games have. While, yes, the Dragonborn isn't a specific character, I'd still say the image of the horn-helmeted man with a sword and shield, shouting at a fire-breathing dragon has a certain cultural ubiquity that no jumpsuit-wearing Vault Dweller has ever enjoyed. For that matter, I think Doomguy does, too.

He's got a realistic shot at getting in, and has legitimate arguments for his inclusion; namely, his significance to the entire shooter genre, his commercial and critical success (of late, his games have garnered more respect than Chief's have), and his most recent, relevant outing sitting pretty on Nintendo's premiere platform. While I don't think he's as likely as some around here or Reddit may believe, he's got a decidedly legitimate chance.

But, come on, we're talking western gaming stars, here. If you want to put one of those in Smash, I honestly don't think there's a single character with the notoriety, the almost mythical presence that the Master Chief has over the general gaming sphere. Between Martin O'Donnell's dramatic orchestral score, the vast, peril-struck worlds with fiery skies and expansive vistas, and the ever-iconic Mjolnir armor of the Chief, Halo touches upon something too integral to western culture to ignore. (Though he's very popular in Europe, too, he is quintessentially American, between his soft-spoken, action-oriented mannerisms and Clint Eastwood-style one-liners.) At any rate, Halo is silly and cheesy more often than not, but it strikes a chord with people, man. Without getting too dramatic, it's similar in the west to the cultural force that Dragon Quest is in the east. And, judging by the E3 direct, the Smash team seems to value that.

This is already becoming a real tangent, but I think Chief's got cultural ubiquity that no Doomguy, no Steve--hell, no Cloud, Joker or possibly even Ryu has. If they're after for a pick to excite western fans, I've got a good feeling about where they'll look ;)
 
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Since I hope they get into smash I was wondering was there ever any more news about the master Chief collection coming to switch rumor?
I don't know what rumor you're talking about, but given they're still hard at work on MCC for PC, it probably isn't happening atm. What with Game Pass and the whole 'play anywhere' thing there's a good chance it'll happen at some point, though, and the port to Switch will probably be easier than porting to PC.
 
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I don't know what rumor you're talking about, but given they're still hard at work on MCC for PC, it probably isn't happening atm. What with Game Pass and the whole 'play anywhere' thing there's a good chance it'll happen at some point, though, and the port to Switch will probably be easier than porting to PC.
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