I Am Telling You To Dash Attack More

[A New England Winter]

I'm a ******, disregard everything

 

[Kitamerby]

I am telling you you're insane. This thing is stupidly unsafe on block. Unless it's below 30%-40% I'd rather jab in almost all situations.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

I am telling you you're insane. This thing is stupidly unsafe on block.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this

 

[culexus・wau]

If your partner doesn't have grab super armor you can always dash attack them in doubles and the grabber if you're playing dubs.

frame 7 DA night have potential as a punisher

I guess it could see some use oos

 

[Kitamerby]

It's frame 7?

Oh right. In that case, it's our 4th fastest ground move. Jab and double team are both faster.

 

[culexus・wau]

It's frame 7?

Oh right. In that case, it's our 4th fastest ground move. Jab and double team are both faster.

3 rd?

 

[A New England Winter]

No one uses Double Team ever because it's a ****ing terrible move, and DA is slower than Jab by one frame.

One frame.

 

[Kitamerby]

3 rd?

Fourth. Don't forget Utilt.

No one uses Double Team ever because it's a ****ing terrible move, and DA is slower than Jab by one frame.

One frame.

Debatable on the terrible move part.

DA is slower than jab by 1 frame of startup.

Cooldown though? lol.

 

[Zucco]

Cant believe you didnt even talk about the one good use dash attack has................The second hitbox(for a lack of a better name). when you space the dash attack perfectly so that you only tip your opponent with the dash attack, it sends them exactly behind you, which means a free grab/hit after that. sighduck.



*dash attack is not that good against snake*

 

[Kitamerby]

Cant believe you didnt even talk about the one good use dash attack has................The second hitbox(for a lack of a better name). when you space the dash attack perfectly so that you only tip your opponent with the dash attack, it sends them exactly behind you, which means a free grab/hit after that. sighduck.



*dash attack is not that good against snake*

That's the problem. To hit with that hit of dash attack, you have to hit with a late hit, which means extra frames of startup, which means it may dip into reaction time and lose it's biggest advantage as a move, which is its short startup... :\

 

[Steam]

Double team for the most part only punishes moves so slow on cooldown you'd often times be better off using something else. I really see no use for it on the ground as well. not to mention you get ***** if they don't trigger it. But I'll try using more DA's next time I can play and see how it works out.

 

[culexus・wau]

Cant believe you didnt even talk about the one good use dash attack has................The second hitbox(for a lack of a better name). when you space the dash attack perfectly so that you only tip your opponent with the dash attack, it sends them exactly behind you, which means a free grab/hit after that. sighduck.



*dash attack is not that good against snake*

seconding both of this.

ya know most dash attacks are unsafe on block.

maybe we should use ours more.

 

[A New England Winter]

Debatable on the terrible move part.

DA is slower than jab by 1 frame of startup.

Cooldown though? lol.

No, it's not debatable, DT is ****ing terrible. And it's fast enough that if used occasionally would

Look, I'm not saying to SPAM DA. I'm saying it's an option that can be used when other moves can't reach/aren't fast enough. This isn't supposed to be "HOLY **** METAGAME ADVANCEMENT GRAB THE ****ING KIDS", more along the lines of "hey guys I got an idea here's why it works etc." And I know what Zucco is talking about but I neglected to mention it along side what I was saying for some reason. I realize now that I worded everything wrong, posted no video proof and I'm ********. Sorry.

Even so, you should use DA more.

 

[Zucco]

- Catching a landed airdodge, or any landing lag really

why do this when Aurasphere is much more safer/stronger/more priority. Against the top tiers, most characters have some sort of landing options besides Airdodge. I rather just be a sniper than fight with my feet =)

 

[culexus・wau]

why do this when Aurasphere is much more safer/stronger/more priority. Against the top tiers, most characters have some sort of landing options besides Airdodge. I rather just be a sniper than fight with my feet =)

Mix-ups!

other then that idk

maybe you don't have a FCAS?

 

[Zucco]

then fsmash son.

 

[A New England Winter]

At low/mid percent? I like to save FSmash for the kill though...

Though I do understand the whole sniping thing with AS

 

[Zucco]

At low/mid percent? I like to save FSmash for the kill though...

Though I do understand the whole sniping thing with AS

if its low/mid percent, then you will probably be able to refresh your fsmash by the time its time for the kill.

 

[RT]

You can never have too much fsmash.

 

[phi1ny3]

great mid percent setup, crappy on shield. About as risky to use as FP in some scenarios.

I liek my jab and utilt moar :3

A good DDD can get you to really hate trying to use Dash attack.

 

[Zucco]

I will say I use dash attack more than dtilt and Double team though. lol

 

[phi1ny3]

But dtilt is like the most underrated Lucario move ;_;

Now I need to make a separate blog on why people should use more Dtilt, as well as buffered reverse utilt.

 

[Zucco]

I like going for the dash attack > grab more than the dtilt > nothing.

 

[Steam]

I think I use everything more than double team to be honest. Dsmash is close though lol.

 

[culexus・wau]

But dtilt is like the most underrated Lucario move ;_;

Now I need to make a separate blog on why people should use more Dtilt, as well as buffered reverse utilt.

I thought buffering backwards utilt was a lucario basic

 

[phi1ny3]

I like going for the dash attack > grab more than the dtilt > nothing.

But dtilt's safer...

and there's a couple of strings.

You gotta admit that we need a faster yet farther ranged "poke" in our game that neither jab or ftilt can do.

 

[Steam]

I've always liked Dtilt to pressure opponents on the ledge. hits people on the ledge from a decent range and isn't too laggy. Sets up pretty well too.

 

[Kitamerby]

Dtilt seems pretty matchup-specific to me.

If there's one move that needs to see more love, it's dsmash.

Half the reason you can stale fsmash so easily is because you have a dsmash and Aura Sphere there backing it up when you eventually want a kill and they're in range. =D

 

[phi1ny3]

^That's what I said in the BR...

anywho, yeah dsmash is a bit underrated, but usmash is overrated.

Imma run before the usmash "fanboys" find me.

 

[Kitamerby]

Who the hell rates Usmash anything?

Move is crap for anything but airdodge/spotdodge punishing or platform landing punishing.

We've known that since launch lol.

 

[phi1ny3]

So yeah, I like DA for strings at mid percents when most other attacks don't work for stringing, but dtilt is really useful esp at lower percents and I hardly see it. I don't exactly know the reason, because even though it isn't "super amazing", neither is Lucario :\

 

[Steam]

Dsmash has really bad range compared to the rest of his moveset (especially for a smash). Plus it's only barely faster than Fsmash so it's slow as well. And from my experience its killpower is meh. TBH uair tends to be my 3rd kill move after AS and Fsmash, though it's useful in some matchups more than others.

edit: upsmash is pretty bad too >=(

 

[culexus・wau]

Dsmash has really bad range compared to the rest of his moveset (especially for a smash). Plus it's only barely faster than Fsmash so it's slow as well. And from my experience its killpower is meh. TBH uair tends to be my 3rd kill move after AS and Fsmash, though it's useful in some matchups more than others.

edit: upsmash is pretty bad too >=(

Upsmash is better then dsmash

both are pretty bad compared to fsmash

Upsmash is just a very meh AA that kills.

 

[phi1ny3]

See what I meant Kita?

They don't believe it.

Guess what ended Tyrant's second stock?

awwwww yeah, dsmash baby

 

[Kitamerby]

Dsmash is waaaaaaaay better than upsmash. You're in denial, Flamey buddy.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

See what I meant Kita?

They don't believe it.

Guess what ended Tyrant's second stock?

awwwww yeah, dsmash baby

Well I didn't think it would WORK.

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah and the fact that he ate like 4 fully charged AS kinda also nullifies my point...

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

I don't see what that even has to do with anything. o,o

 

[Kitamerby]

edit: nevermind

 

[Rayku]

This thread has only told me I need to uptilt more.

I use upsmash more than uptilt that's also terrible on shield. Upsmash is also amazing for punishing airdodges to the ground/killing King Dedede

Come to think of it, aren't MOST of Lucario's moves terrible on shield?