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at early levels of damage, she will probably be really good, but yes, luma with no grab means she will be much more bearable.
Actually, I think the opposite will be true of her - hardly used early on and hardly winning because nobody gets her, but due to being so versatile, people will eventually find ways to make her effective in most match-ups. I don't think she'll ever be super common like Fox and Falco are in Melee, but those who master her will basically be the cream of the crop of Smash 4 players.
Anything more "strategic" than brawl will put people to sleep.
It's not as if you're being forced to watch melee. Why not look for another stream to watch instead of wishing death on its competitive community?
It's mainly the fact that there isn't anything to watch, as it's mainly Melee only. I mean, I don't hate Melee, I love it. I'm not the most competitive player either, but I do enjoy watching competitive Melee. I don't want it to completely die, but I would rather people focus on Smash 4. My main problem is that there's nothing really new to watch, because most of Melee's metagame is already discovered. Half the roster isn't used in the game, either, because Melee isn't really balanced throughout the characters. I believe that Smash 4 has a chance, and hope that it does, eventually replace Melee.
Hmm I'd say melee is well balanced for a fighting game. 8/26 characters frequently used. About half the cast is workable in competitive (either have stand out players or are mid tier). That is fairly good as far as fighting games go when they get larger casts so I don't really see it as a negative. It is pretty standard. Blazblue has approx 8 frequently used tourney characters, and maybe two-4 more that are used a little less but you see it every so often and that has the same amount of characters as Melee.
Customizable moves and attributes seem like something you can sell for in game money and likely because of that the rolls or stats on each piece of equipment are likely randomized. And random is not good for competitive viability, same with having to farm up the same bonus you want to use for max stats. And that is before balance issues
Well he would be trying to get more people into the scene...if he wasn't blatantly taking out mechanics and not replacing them with simpler versions. Lower landing lag overall = L cancelling, Return of dash dancing = good enough for mobility options if it comes with retention of momentum when you run and jump, Oh and combos of course. You'll have to forgive me if I don't sound too positive, Sakurai is one of my least favorite designers for videogames in general for blatantly ignoring and even building a game against a subset of his fanbase instead of being inclusive. And he doesn't do his homework due to his biases.
Senario seriously...by now I know youre not ill intent on it, but when you keep repeating shiz like smash 4:
and that smash 4 would be better with:
as well as implying Sakurai
and never providing any justification at all, you sound exactly like one of those peeps I described in the other thread:
Right now what would be nice is if you either backed up what you say, or to simply stop repeating this throughout the forum if you theres no certainty in your claims. Discussion needs to be held to a higher standard which Im happy to help provide if you can help me help you.I said:
Actually though can't we just pin one topic and label it "Competitive Discussion" so people don't make a new one every day? There's a 20ish page thread for this on the front page...
So, Sakurai specifically stated that he does not want to create another game that is deep or to appeal to hardcore fans. He specifically stated that he sees smash as only a party game and he regrets making Melee the way it was. I don't know how much more clear his intentions are. He specifically made Brawl to cater to people who were different than some of the most avid fans of previous smash games. The way he designs games is exclusive rather than inclusive and that is my opinion. He has his biases that make him inable to realize that many mechanics he takes out can be simplified or that he can come to a sort of compromise.
That's a misinterpretation (feel free to pull up the interview and double check). What he said was he doesn't want to create a game that appeals exclusively to hardcore fans, and regrets how strongly Melee appealed to specifically hardcore players. He didnt say that he saw smash as a party game, he said that smash wasnt a fighting game because he didnt want to label the game into confining terms (very smart of him). Brawl was meant to apply to a broader audience, but I think even he felt he made some mistakes in this regard too. Not sure what you mean about the mechanics thing since nothing needs to stay the same anyways.
Mostly agree on the wifi stuff, Nintendo online is typically not the best unfortunately. Pretty sure its going to be a 2-minute timer too. Not gonna lie and say it doesnt suck. But also pretty sure general wifi was not his biggest concern nor is it the competitive communities. I mean it something to complain about yes but trying to pin strong accusations on his methods for this specifically is a bit odd.
I was quoting from your post, but ok. I think most suggestions aren't very good though or rather are just subjective, which makes it pointless
Youre likely looking at the game with an untrained eye when youve seen others play the game, and not sure if youve had a chance to play it either to understand but landing lag really isnt an issue due to the amount of hitstun in the game. How landing lag will affect the combo game depends on hitstun as well, and the game seems to have pretty sufficient hitstun to allow for combos even without lag cancelling. For example, when I played with pikachu I landed into the ground with a fairly laggy uair and still had time to combo into a utilt. I cant even do that in melee. Not to mention, a floatier game will center more around auto-canceled aerials. In any case, its not the best analysis to assume that just because l-canceling isnt in the game that it will fail to produce a combo game or needs lower lag across the board than what exists.
This is entirely subjective. Not to mention as stated elsewhere, it can create balancing issues. As I also mentioned elsewhere, Melee is a game of of cancels. Almost anything can be canceled and theres little commitment in movement. Some peeps like games with more commitment or at least want something thats different and shakes things up. Smash 4 seems to be in the middle in this regard, especially with the introduction of Turn Canceling (other stuff too but I wont go over every thing).
But you never explain what you say, until this post at least. Honestly Im not necessarily looking for a response, but to at least point at when you or others say things that aren't truths and arent explained. If you dont explain youre relying on testimony, and the logical response is to question the credibility and hope for a better explanation (credit to you since you did elaborate).
It's not about that, though. We want advanced techniques to be present in some form, whether intentionally or unintentionally, because we like the freedom of choice that Melee has to offer.
