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Loll welcome to learning how to stuff jump at a longer range. <3 I also dont think you should go for downthrow into down-B at low %. The risk is way too high for the low reward. He can probably just punish you back even on hit.
heh, I was just throwing out **** to try and surprise him, it's fast, not very smart I know, but it did get me a game.
PseudoTurtle
how come you hate the falco matchup so bad?
Well generally your seed wont change if you place the same.. so you are likely to face the same guys. Kinda like back in the day where i always get 17th-25th at locals losing to the same people.i've had to play the same person in bracket like 4 times in a row ever since last month LOL. this sucks, i've only beaten him once out of these times and i feel like my bracket luck isn't letting me show off my progress. maybe i'm actually not progressing since i keep losing LOL.
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my seed has been getting better overtime though, i keep having to face nightmare all the time in losers LOL. it sucks so much.
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You're talking about Peach Puff and Sheik right?
All of it. Realize that's what matters most, and it's where anyone can improve. Keep a good mindset. I hope you realize how major Ian going almost even with ghatzu is. Ganon is very capable but If your neutral game is lacking many of Ganons weaknesses are immediately exposed.
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that was at the other weekly. wasn't even really playing during that set. the set at the monthly that i just posted about wasn't on stream.
Confidence for you and Locke is needed badly it seems. Doubting yourself about things that could potentially happen is pretty much useless because those things never happen the way you think they will. I think that's why you are always surprised when people show their support towards you.
Link to that tournament info please
tm
. Running into Amida must've sucked, whereas I got to play a bunch of people around my skill level from losing to Goshard. Had I beaten him and lost to Kzhu, I probably would've lost to Lain (like in PM).Hearing you say that is somewhat of a relief. I hope you're right, and you probably are, but at the moment I feel like there's nothing I can do against puff in neutral... like she can just out maneuver me completely and punish my missed attacks, meanwhile her pressure is unpunishable because her ridiculous air speed... It seems like it requires a ton of reads on my part and if they just play the matchup right, they'll just win. Stage control means very little because going offstage is not very risky for her, and much more so for me. I get caught in shield too much (which I find very bad against puff), but when I try to avoid doing so by spacing better and trying to whiff punish, it just doesn't work because the sheer amount of space that she covers. I'm probably going about it the wrong way, but I have yet to see any footage of ganon vs an extremely defensive puff.
tm
My basic understanding with playing vs Puff is that you have to keep in mind that her bair outranges all of your attacks except fair, ftilt, and dtilt and I think upair to a degree. Basically, when she bairs and starts retreating is when you want to upair. You want to hit her in between her bairing when in neutral, and you basically just keep hitting her and maintaining stage control until she dies. As long as you're close enough to be able to SH or FH upair her and it's spaced well, you can time it in between bair hits. I haven't played enough Puffs to really conclude thise, but upair is definitely a move you're going to want to spam a lot vs Puff, and you'll only want to fair when you have a read on her movement and she's not able to put a hitbox out in time. You can bair her as well, but because that reaches low I feel like its use is a bit limited in neutral, and therefore it might be a good tool for edgeguarding her when she is rather low. I also think hitting her with a reverse upair a good few times is a legit strategy to edgeguard her, again, I just haven't been able to practice vs many Puffs to really nail down these concepts.
tm
just search Kage Abu on YouTube. Big house three and Kage bopped him. Jiggs isn't so bad. Def jiggs favor, but doable. To be honest, I actually like to stay in shield vs puff and guess where she's gonna go after hitting your shield. After playing bieber (easily best puff in Illinois, debatably best Midwest puff), staying in shield is good for baiting nairs that can be beaten by up air. And if the puff crosses you up while facing backwards, chances are she's gonna empty hop up tilt, so full hop stomp is a good punish, while also being relatively safe due to puff's bad vertical aerial mobility.
Moy
nice job getting 9th at shuffle, I'm impressed. I remember playing luigigoshard a little while ago. No shame in losing to him, he's pretty good. He even beat ORLY before.
PseudoTurtle
I thought full hop stomp didn't hit Puff on the ground what.
PseudoTurtle
said about staying in shield to see what they are going to do. Other than that, keeping your back to her and staying slightly higher than her in the air and b-airing her is really the best bet imo. Sometimes sneaking in a Reverse U-air to keep them out can work, though it doesn't tack on much %. Only grab when you know you will get it. One thing I like to do out of d-throw at low % is space a Dair so that you are just to the side of jiggs but will still knick her with it, to avoid the rest. It will either will give you a good tech-chase opportunity or sometimes a no-tech if they're surprised. Basically I try to focus most on just spacing her out without giving up much ground (much more precious to Ganon than to her, lol) and trading B-airs with her whenever able. Keep your back to her, space her with b-airs and if she crosses you up while you're in shield, U-airs are the way to go. It is just such a weird MU. I think the reason I hate it is because I've always viewed Ganon as a very momentum based character, but against Jiggs, it feels like you're in neutral forever, and can't hesitate or push very much at all. It's always been a draining MU.
This matchup is kinda like Samus where you have to play heavy footsies with her, the only difference is that most of the time you have to do it in the air. There's certainly angles she can take where she can relentlessly pressure Ganon in shield by being directly close to him, you have to avoid that situation at all costs since it could lead to big combos or rest setups. In that situation, you have to wait for her to throw out her next move so you can roll away or WD safely. You have to keep moving forward and then backwards to bait her approach. I never really attack a Jigglypuff unless I know they are going to drift towards me. Like you said a whiffed attack is deadly so its SUPER important to be extra precise or that situation i talked about will happen every single time. The only time a whiffed attack is good is when you are trying to read an approach but you have to cover your ass with another secondary read just in case the first one failed. Example, I think shes going to come in with a fair so I uair her if that didnt happen and she decides to WD in instead, I might be able to dair her shield spaced of course because if not thats an auto-rest punish.
Im always for using external forces to disrupt your opponent. They cant really call you out on heckling either since you are already fighting him. =P I dont think i would do this though, it already takes so much focus to beat good players. lol
I hear you on that. It's not even like it takes that much focus, really, just small things. For example, with the IC player, when he had a wobble on me, I said to him "you better not **** this up or I'm gonna come back and win. Seriously, don't **** up here." Lo and behold, he ****ed it up and I won lmao. He also played like trash for the rest of the set.
u conveniently left out the part where i took a game fuker
honestly i'm just concerned about being TOO confident. i don't know where i stand. i don't even think i'm good. it might be a confidence issue, but i'm concerned about staying humble.
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it's florida. the tournament has no results thread or videos so it basically never happened.
didn't i beat you at fc legacy?
I can honestly say I've never lost to a Pikachu in Melee
That's because games are meaningless to me, it's either the win or the loss. HOLD DAT. And you actually came here to post that.. Im going to imagine theres a snitch amongst the ganon mains.
I dont see the advantage in being humble when you arent the best. A driving force is needed to keep pushing forward, the only thing anyone needs to think about is being confident they can win. I dont understand the root of the problem about questioning yourself being good or not. We're all humans I mean.. all we can do is refine ourselves. That confidence doesnt need to go further.
Darc was pretty damn good at it too but he no longer plays hehe.
lulz ya u beat me AT FC LEGACY COME *** WITH ME NOW GANON IS A$$
Your a$$ is grass, monkey!
