Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[X WaNtEd X]

Oh **** that's ace's brother on Facebook? Lol that makes sense now. I thought he was just an idiot at first.

And yeah honestly that's what I did for awhile. It was also because I was addicted to Ganon because he's so much fun. He'll still always be in my pocket at least.... The dilemma between banning dl or yoshi's

 

[-ACE-]

LOL trolling runs in the family

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I'm mming your brother if I ever see him lol

 

[-ACE-]

He hasn't played in years and his only practice is vs me, but he's still gotten some decent wins. Smart player

 

[Dorsey2]

I'm mming your brother if I ever see him lol

You're in Massachusetts apparently?? I'm in New Jersey. A one thousand dollar MM is awaiting you here. After I 4 stock you I'll probably give back your gas money so you can go back to whatever gay Yankee state you came from.

 

[Dorsey2]

...............

 

[-ACE-]

spider_sense hit me up when you get up brotha

 

[X WaNtEd X]

You're in Massachusetts apparently?? I'm in New Jersey. A one thousand dollar MM is awaiting you here. After I 4 stock you I'll probably give back your gas money so you can go back to whatever gay Yankee state you came from.

Will you still give me back my gas money when I quad stomp you?

How long are you in NJ for?

 

[Dorsey2]

quad stomp blah blah blah $1,000 in NJ. Come get ***** kid. I'm here until you're here.

 

[Dorsey2]

and ganon dittos obviously. With how much you post on this forum, you should give me a real challenge!! Lmfao!!

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I actually don't play Melee. I just post about it. And I'm still gonna destroy you lmao

 

[-ACE-]

Quad stomp is weak. My record is septuple stomp on falcon and octuple stomp on popo/nana

Edit:

 

[tm]

my record is stomp into killing efficiently with good execution and the smallest chance of counterplay

 

[-ACE-]

my record is stomp into killing efficiently with good execution and the smallest chance of counterplay

If only you could do that more than once you might be a top Ganon one day!

 

[-ACE-]

Just saying, publicly, that Jason "spider sense" Grice did NOT hit me up tonight.

He is obviously scared of the beating my rusty Ganon will surely give him, even though I lost my good controller and can no longer backdash/chaingrab well. It must be my unabridged mastery of spacing that continues to give him nightmares.



Tipman, being the brave soldier he is, is willing to weather the storm tomorrow (fighting my Ganon). What a badass.

 

[Duel]

At what percent can I escape Sheik's CG? Also, what is the optimal DI to get out? I thought it was DI up all the way but i seem to still be getting grabbed later than I should be.

 

[-ACE-]

At what percent can I escape Sheik's CG? Also, what is the optimal DI to get out? I thought it was DI up all the way but i seem to still be getting grabbed later than I should be.

Around 55-60ish start doing slight DI behind and slight DI forward to make Ganon go exactly straight up from the dthrow. Make it so the sheik player has trouble choosing which direction to grab. She'll miss eventually or have to try some utilt into fair ****. SDI the utilt behind unless you're near ledge and it's going to put you offstage. That way it's at least possible you'll only eat a bair. Eating a fair isn't the end of the world either. Unless you're close to ledge (you'll go offstage aka dead), it often gives you the ledge for free.

 

[spider_sense]

spider_sense hit me up when you get up brotha

lol my b I was out like a light, but I'm down to chill today. hmu fam

 

[-ACE-]

lol my b I was out like a light, but I'm down to chill today. hmu fam

Lol word. Someone just got robbed at gunpoint on my street. 2 thugs followed an old man from the ATM. The girl works at 5.

 

[tm]

At what percent can I escape Sheik's CG? Also, what is the optimal DI to get out? I thought it was DI up all the way but i seem to still be getting grabbed later than I should be.

Around 55-60ish start doing slight DI behind and slight DI forward to make Ganon go exactly straight up from the dthrow. Make it so the sheik player has trouble choosing which direction to grab. She'll miss eventually or have to try some utilt into fair ****. SDI the utilt behind unless you're near ledge and it's going to put you offstage. That way it's at least possible you'll only eat a bair. Eating a fair isn't the end of the world either. Unless you're close to ledge (you'll go offstage aka dead), it often gives you the ledge for free.

^This 100%

You can't force her to dash behind, which is why the CG is noticeably easier for her. If they're bad i'll just DI to go straight up and just *barely* either way, and they'll often mess up. If they like to combo instead of CG at that point (out of fear of whiffing grab and facing my DJ -> stomp -> CG -> kill) then I try to SDI the utilt behind then uair as I land. If they ftilt instead then they can't follow up because the away DI. They can counter this with instant dash behind FH rising uair, which is really hard and I've never had anyone actually do. Dash behind SH weak reverse bair may also beat this?

At 0%, full DI away and mix up your teching. No tech is probably the overall best choice there. Then if they jab, SDI up and DJ out. If they crouch in front of you, mix up [getup in place -> something fast] and roll in (to force her to dash behind).

At med% (like 30?) I like to do 1/2 away DI sometimes (and try to jump out). If they're good, they might actually dash grab too quickly.

How I try to escape the CG is 100% based on my opponent. 99% of people who learn and practice "optimal" stuff like this ALWAYS [try to] DO IT THE SAME WAY. So find the one thing that makes it really hard for them.

Practice the sheik CG against ganon in 20XX. Figure out what should make it hard for them, and when, and why.

 

[Waldoring]

Went to another weekly last night, beat 2 people who have previously knocked me out of bracket. Finally got some games streamed, only 1 singles match though. Lost to Falco + Marth.

Played like **** for the first doubles game, did better the second. Floundered a lot vs Gerb since I have zero experience in that matchup.

Doubles:
https://www.twitch.tv/pghneohsmash/v/92281601?t=13m13s
https://www.twitch.tv/pghneohsmash/v/92281601?t=01h42m59s

vs Marth
https://www.twitch.tv/pghneohsmash/v/92281601?t=03h54m13s

 

[spider_sense]

Lol word. Someone just got robbed at gunpoint on my street. 2 thugs followed an old man from the ATM. The girl works at 5.

The return of the flocka.

 

[Thomas Tipman]

The return of the flocka.

word? hook it up.

 

[-ACE-]

word? hook it up.

Bro you'll be talkin' like waka flaka flame walkin' the flakka walk of shame

 

[Bwmat]

http://www.twitch.tv/vanstreetbattle/v/92497452?sr=a&t=2775

Played some pretty good Ganon vs Falco IMO (some drama at the end, but long story short, mea culpa)

Forfeited first game due to controller issues

 

[X WaNtEd X]

http://www.twitch.tv/vanstreetbattle/v/92497452?sr=a&t=2775

Played some pretty good Ganon vs Falco IMO (some drama at the end, but long story short, mea culpa)

Forfeited first game due to controller issues

What the **** you thinkin' *****?
You gon' die for this **** or what the **** I say

...

No but controller issues are the worst. You played pretty well despite that.

 

[Bwmat]

Someone lent me their controller.

C stick wasn't working properly

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Anyone try doing late dash attack after low percent dair on ffers so it pops them up? I got a combo last night by accident that went from that to Nair to uair on a fox

 

[-ACE-]

Anyone try doing late dash attack after low percent dair on ffers so it pops them up? I got a combo last night by accident that went from that to Nair to uair on a fox

Not purposely, but I've gotten combos off it. You never know how they'll DI, they certainly don't expect it.

 

[Divinokage]

Anyone try doing late dash attack after low percent dair on ffers so it pops them up? I got a combo last night by accident that went from that to Nair to uair on a fox

Thats the reverse dash attack combo, it's so good! https://youtu.be/NZj2bmBjeRQ?t=403 rofl old vid where i did it but didnt execute the finisher properly. =P

 

[-ACE-]

Got 7th at versus, losing to 2 technical foxes that love to run away. Recorded. Damn I'm rusty.

Went 2-1 vs prof's sheik in friendlies tho so that's good.

 

[tm]

post links in time

 

[-ACE-]

post links in time

My movement was **** but yeah I'll post. Can't backdash left either :<

 

[Renth]

Got 7th at versus, losing to 2 technical foxes that love to run away. Recorded. Damn I'm rusty.

Went 2-1 vs prof's sheik in friendlies tho so that's good.

That's a lot of reason I don't play as much. Everyone runs camps every set has a 6+ minute dreamland match..

It's very boring. Even winning isn't fun which is sad.

 

[-ACE-]

That's a lot of reason I don't play as much. Everyone runs camps every set has a 6+ minute dreamland match..

It's very boring. Even winning isn't fun which is sad.

Ban dreamland.

Lol just kidding (but not really). Yeah, that's where the metagame is now. It takes a lot of smarts to get your openings. When my matches get uploaded to YouTube, aside from my movement being complete @$$, you'll see that I didn't pressure properly and my intentions were too obvious. Not elusive at all. You should generally pressure fox in neutral just enough that he can't laser camp, but you don't leave yourself open. I went FD vs relno game 2, because in our older sets he was the king of camping the top platform and I wanted to see how it would go. I really think with my good controller (which may be in GA) and my movement on point I could take him on that stage despite him getting better.

 

[Divinokage]

Ban dreamland.

Lol just kidding (but not really). Yeah, that's where the metagame is now. It takes a lot of smarts to get your openings. When my matches get uploaded to YouTube, aside from my movement being complete @$$, you'll see that I didn't pressure properly and my intentions were too obvious. Not elusive at all. You should generally pressure fox in neutral just enough that he can't laser camp, but you don't leave yourself open. I went FD vs relno game 2, because in our older sets he was the king of camping the top platform and I wanted to see how it would go. I really think with my good controller (which may be in GA) and my movement on point I could take him on that stage despite him getting better.

What? The only matchup I have that could take more than 5 mins is vs Jiggs/Peach/Samus.. other than that everyone dies in under 3 mins. Id be very surprised if any Ganon would have 6 mins matches vs spacies.

 

[-ACE-]

What? The only matchup I have that could take more than 5 mins is vs Jiggs/Peach/Samus.. other than that everyone dies in under 3 mins. Id be very surprised if any Ganon would have 6 mins matches vs spacies.

Lol. I was talking about players that run away nowadays in general, I wasn't even thinking about duration of matches. I'm sure you've played kels before lmao

 

[Krusteaz]

Lol. I was talking about players that run away nowadays in general, I wasn't even thinking about duration of matches. I'm sure you've played kels before lmao

https://youtu.be/AltMcPeuI6U

God damn this win is so satisfying, **** the lame ass meta

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I love how spacies are seen as "aggressive" on the surface, but are far more likely to camp you than other characters.

 

[Divinokage]

Lol. I was talking about players that run away nowadays in general, I wasn't even thinking about duration of matches. I'm sure you've played kels before lmao

I played nearly everyone ya but i disagree that players run away more in this meta. If they actually still play with that strat then Ganon becomes better because they corner themselves willingly. The better players take every opportunity they can right now + a lot of them can 0-death you pretty easily if you dont have good defense.