X WaNtEd X
- Mar 24, 2009
- Lowell, MA
Good stuff to Bizz for beating a trashed MacD lmao
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LOL search ranch vs eikelmann, this **** killed me when i saw it.Searching desperately for the clip of the Ganon ditto on Yoshi's where someone gets hit by jab>dtilt>jab>dtilt thanks to awful DI. I know it was someone in this thread
I agree with this. On dreamland, if you up throw onto a platform from center stage, you have to mind game your opponent for a punish if they tech away. I'm pretty sure this actually applies to battlefield and Pokemon stadium tooI would have to say this only works when Ganondorf up-throws below the platform because most of the time if you are too far away from the platform, then you cannot cover the tech-away option of your opponent on the other side of the platform.
http://youtu.be/S5bBODmDq5kIs there a way to pivot aerials?
They have very drastically different playstyles, and Samus takes a lot of work to get good with. She can cover the spacies matchups pretty well, but she still has problems with Sheik and Falcon, just like Ganon does. You want to choose a secondary that deals with Ganon's bad matchups well, i.e: Fox, Falco, and Sheik. Good candidate characters for these matchups are Marth, Sheik, Peach, Puff, ICs, maybe Doc and maaaybe Luigi. Beyond that, you're better off only having Ganon as your main, or completely switching to Samus as your main. Even a Doc secondary to Ganon lets you have a little easier time vs space animals, and even Sheik to a slight degree.Hey guys what are your opinions on Samus as a secondary? Been super interested in her recently but how drastic are her and Ganon's play style differences?
I just tap backwards lightly and quickly and snap back to forward, bair, and I approach forward with bair.How do you pivot? I seen gravy do Pivot uair and pivot knee with falcon, I think pivot fair's for Ganon sound amazing
That's exactly what I'm saying. As long as you up-throw from under the platform, you can cover all options with full-hop d-air. The only tricky part is when they don't tech and they can gain invincibility from get-up attack right away.Perhaps you could also try to cover both options from under the platform with a full hop dair? That way you could double jump waveland off the platform into another jump and catch them with a uair for extra swag points.
FTFYI think that if you play well, the neural game is definitely in Peach's favor. Pulling turnips is pretty easy, your moves are generally a lot less punishable than his, and you can throw them out faster.
IMO your goal when recovering low against peach should be to tech the nair. If she dairs you you have to hit down and hold it as soon as you realize that she's doing dair. If you do it quick enough you will fall too low for her to nair you, and you can recover low again (dair will still pop you upwards if you are at really high % though).But then the edgeguard continues usually, if i go too low she can just grab the edge but if I go too high then im off stage and thats gg. Its really hard to bait the nair near the wall.
I want to test this sometime. He might actually have trouble with landing on the platform before the stomp goes off on some stages. Also I'm guessing BF plats might be too wide to cover tech away. Dair has mad long startup time so you'll have to do the double jump dair shortly after they hit the ground (6-10 frames), before you have time to react to their tech option (if you are trying to cover in place / no tech). But then you only have something like 8 frames to fade all the way to either edge of the platform with 'optimal' reaction to which direction they teched, so I'm personally going to deem this unfeasible. Something more practical could be doing this in between tech in place and tech roll in, and just covering 3/4 options that way.So you know how falcon can upthrow someone on a platform then shorthop below the platform and react with a dj stomp to tech in, tech away, and no tech
Can't ganon technically do this as well because the start up frames on his stomp are the same? enlighten me.
**** that guy.
Learn the appropriate times to wavedash out of shield to get out of shield pressure. Don't always try to attack from out of shield unless your opponent does something stupid and laggy on your shield. You're going to want to get used to timing jumping out of shield into a wavedash away, as this can be tricky when it comes to the shieldstun that can be applied on your shield. It's the hardest to do against Fox, cause his shield pressure, if perfect, is near impossible for Ganon to get out of. Falco's shield pressure lacks a lot though, and if you wait for the shine, you can usually wavedash out of shield right after and hit him with an ftilt.So what do you guys have in terms of out of shield options? I keep getting stuck in my shield, which in itself is bad, but anything would be helpful.
Rolling out is bread and butter. Wavedash is good if there's a significant gap in their pressure (15+ frames). You can also upB in the same situation, and it will catch many people off guard, but if you miss them you will have no double jump if they punish you (also at low % it might not knock them down, and they will be able to punish you even if you hit them). Try not to shield so much to begin with. Learn to powershield so that you have more options (jab, tilts, smashes, specials), or crouch cancel a hit from the opponent and punish it (almost always worth it as ganon).So what do you guys have in terms of out of shield options? I keep getting stuck in my shield, which in itself is bad, but anything would be helpful.
yo ive been thinking about getting one too haha.@ PseudoTurtle -Brah, when you coming to Miami? You literally have "SFL Ganon" written all over you. Btw, does any Ganon mains here have any tattoos? I'm probably gonna get one soon.
Dude, I would love to come out there and chill with you and linguini (if he ever comes out of whatever cave he's hiding in). Ian and Mark are more upstate, right?@ PseudoTurtle -Brah, when you coming to Miami? You literally have "SFL Ganon" written all over you. Btw, does any Ganon mains here have any tattoos? I'm probably gonna get one soon.
I think there are ganons everywhere just not good ones lol. Don't sleep on Brandandorf thoi was definitely thinking about something ganon related, still gotta think about it some more tho.
also, i feel like the only ganon regions are FL, midwest, and Canada. everywhere else has none or just 1 ganon representing them. rip WC and tristate.
yeah i know brandandorf is godlike, but he gets overlooked so much because bizz is from the same region. your statement is pretty true tho. i would even go as far to say its not even about skill representation that gets the ganondorfs noticed, more about representation as the person as a whole (ie, their personality, stream hype, etc).I think there are ganons everywhere just not good ones lol. Don't sleep on Brandandorf tho
why is duck so ugly?