X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Good stuff to Bizz for beating a trashed MacD lmao
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
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YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
MacDrunk tho lol
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
BIZZ GAVE LEFFEN STR8 HANDS
Superspright
Smash Lord
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It's sort of like Falco's on platform nair. If you connect with uair on the frame of the drop through without FFing you will stay on the platform. It's not really that useful IMO. But it sure looks cool as ****. But it looks like because of the edge-cancel he was able to uair immediately but it does change your stage-contact box so it probably clipped the edge again. If it was done on purpose that's pretty impressive and nuanced.
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It's sort of like Falco's on platform nair. If you connect with uair on the frame of the drop through without FFing you will stay on the platform. It's not really that useful IMO. But it sure looks cool as ****. But it looks like because of the edge-cancel he was able to uair immediately but it does change your stage-contact box so it probably clipped the edge again. If it was done on purpose that's pretty impressive and nuanced.
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Coastward
Smash Lord
LOL search ranch vs eikelmann, this **** killed me when i saw it.
So you know how falcon can upthrow someone on a platform then shorthop below the platform and react with a dj stomp to tech in, tech away, and no tech
Can't ganon technically do this as well because the start up frames on his stomp are the same? enlighten me.
Can't ganon technically do this as well because the start up frames on his stomp are the same? enlighten me.
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
I would have to say this only works when Ganondorf up-throws below the platform because most of the time if you are too far away from the platform, then you cannot cover the tech-away option of your opponent on the other side of the platform.
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Perhaps you could also try to cover both options from under the platform with a full hop dair? That way you could double jump waveland off the platform into another jump and catch them with a uair for extra swag points.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
I agree with this. On dreamland, if you up throw onto a platform from center stage, you have to mind game your opponent for a punish if they tech away. I'm pretty sure this actually applies to battlefield and Pokemon stadium too
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
Is there a way to pivot aerials?
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Gotem City Vigilante
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
How do you pivot? I seen gravy do Pivot uair and pivot knee with falcon, I think pivot fair's for Ganon sound amazing
RedmanSSBM
Improving My Process
They have very drastically different playstyles, and Samus takes a lot of work to get good with. She can cover the spacies matchups pretty well, but she still has problems with Sheik and Falcon, just like Ganon does. You want to choose a secondary that deals with Ganon's bad matchups well, i.e: Fox, Falco, and Sheik. Good candidate characters for these matchups are Marth, Sheik, Peach, Puff, ICs, maybe Doc and maaaybe Luigi. Beyond that, you're better off only having Ganon as your main, or completely switching to Samus as your main. Even a Doc secondary to Ganon lets you have a little easier time vs space animals, and even Sheik to a slight degree.
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Gotem City Vigilante
I just tap backwards lightly and quickly and snap back to forward, bair, and I approach forward with bair.
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
Does the pivot have to be done on the ground, or can I also do it in the air?
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Gotem City Vigilante
On the ground always. Only b moves can be turned around in the air.
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Gotem City Vigilante
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
I wish it were easier to pivot tilt. I can only pivot jab, aerial, or grab. Pivot ftilt feels like an extremely good spacing tool.
Coastward
Smash Lord
i can pivot everything except ftilt ****
if i could pull that off consistently, id win against marth all the time.
if i could pull that off consistently, id win against marth all the time.
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
That's exactly what I'm saying. As long as you up-throw from under the platform, you can cover all options with full-hop d-air. The only tricky part is when they don't tech and they can gain invincibility from get-up attack right away.
FTFY
IMO your goal when recovering low against peach should be to tech the nair. If she dairs you you have to hit down and hold it as soon as you realize that she's doing dair. If you do it quick enough you will fall too low for her to nair you, and you can recover low again (dair will still pop you upwards if you are at really high % though).
If you want to try something else, you can experiment with DIing the dair away / in. If you DI it away, then she has to float away from stage to make it combo into nair, and if you get her to expect this, then you can mix it up and DI in (although she can still react to this, but sometimes the nair will reverse which means you saved your stock).
If you keep going low and she keeps dairing (to prevent you from teching) you can experiment with upBing early or other things; personally I've never played someone who never just went for nair after seeing that I could DI out of the dair.
And yeah she can just grab the ledge if you go low, but that requires repositioning and is more difficult (almost no peaches go for this). It's also scary for them because if you still make it onstage they basically can't kill you for it (only grab or dsmash, or reverse nair or something). If you know that your opponent is ready and willing to grab ledge if you go low, that's when you should start making it ambiguous as to wether or not you will / can land onstage (you can still tech if they nair early, and ofc DI the dair down if they do that instead). Also stare at them before you upB, and if they turn around / turn around and start floating, that's your cue that they might go for ledge, so upB earlier to go onstage (but be prepared to DI the bair / reverse nair / fair).
But really I think almost all peaches will not try to grab ledge, because they believe that they never have to in order to secure the kill. As hard as it is to get back, it's still much easier to recover vs Peach than it is vs Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, Falcon, Puff.
Oh and Kage, make sure not to upB right away when you walltech the first hit of her dsmash edgeguard. I saw you get flustered when you died for that (happens with sheik too). Also you can't downB as much as you do vs Vwins, he's just too good lol (even though you already don't do it all the time). If he's ready for it with a turnip or he's standing next to ledge waiting to float out low -> nair, you should probably just upB high and fade in as far as you can / DI as well as you can. Yeah it sucks but he at least has to hit you more than one more time to secure the kill.
I want to test this sometime. He might actually have trouble with landing on the platform before the stomp goes off on some stages. Also I'm guessing BF plats might be too wide to cover tech away. Dair has mad long startup time so you'll have to do the double jump dair shortly after they hit the ground (6-10 frames), before you have time to react to their tech option (if you are trying to cover in place / no tech). But then you only have something like 8 frames to fade all the way to either edge of the platform with 'optimal' reaction to which direction they teched, so I'm personally going to deem this unfeasible. Something more practical could be doing this in between tech in place and tech roll in, and just covering 3/4 options that way.
Another possibility is covering tech in / tech away with DJ stomp on reaction, and covering tech in / no tech with dj uair on reaction. If this is feasible, it would definitely be something worth practicing. Combined with the previous 3/4 coverage (if feasible), it would be a really strong mixup where the opponent is likely to get stomped.
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
Ayyy @
spider_sense
sent me a friend request B) MOMMA I MADE IT :D
spider_sense
sent me a friend request B) MOMMA I MADE IT :D
spider_sense
Smash Champion
**** that guy.Ayyy @
RedmanSSBM
Improving My Process
Learn the appropriate times to wavedash out of shield to get out of shield pressure. Don't always try to attack from out of shield unless your opponent does something stupid and laggy on your shield. You're going to want to get used to timing jumping out of shield into a wavedash away, as this can be tricky when it comes to the shieldstun that can be applied on your shield. It's the hardest to do against Fox, cause his shield pressure, if perfect, is near impossible for Ganon to get out of. Falco's shield pressure lacks a lot though, and if you wait for the shine, you can usually wavedash out of shield right after and hit him with an ftilt.
Rolling out is bread and butter. Wavedash is good if there's a significant gap in their pressure (15+ frames). You can also upB in the same situation, and it will catch many people off guard, but if you miss them you will have no double jump if they punish you (also at low % it might not knock them down, and they will be able to punish you even if you hit them). Try not to shield so much to begin with. Learn to powershield so that you have more options (jab, tilts, smashes, specials), or crouch cancel a hit from the opponent and punish it (almost always worth it as ganon).
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Good advice from tm. Up air is also good for countering certain approaches. I love it vs marth and falcon nairs.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
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PseudoTurtle
-Brah, when you coming to Miami? You literally have "SFL Ganon" written all over you. Btw, does any Ganon mains here have any tattoos? I'm probably gonna get one soon.
PseudoTurtle
-Brah, when you coming to Miami? You literally have "SFL Ganon" written all over you. Btw, does any Ganon mains here have any tattoos? I'm probably gonna get one soon.
Coastward
Smash Lord
yo ive been thinking about getting one too haha.@
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Dude, I would love to come out there and chill with you and linguini (if he ever comes out of whatever cave he's hiding in). Ian and Mark are more upstate, right?@
I love the midwest ganon style (Eddie, Bushman, Trail), but I'd be lying if I didn't say FL was where ganon was taken to that next level.
I might take a trip down one of these days, once I can start making a little money.
What are you guys thinking of getting? I don't have any, but my brother's tatted up on both arms. Not that I wouldn't get one, I just don't know what to get lol.
ONE MORE THING: Why don't you post those twitch links at VS anymore? I'm forced to go to youtube to watch your recent matches now.
edit: nevermind haha
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Coastward
Smash Lord
i was definitely thinking about something ganon related, still gotta think about it some more tho.
also, i feel like the only ganon regions are FL, midwest, and Canada. everywhere else has none or just 1 ganon representing them. rip WC and tristate.
also, i feel like the only ganon regions are FL, midwest, and Canada. everywhere else has none or just 1 ganon representing them. rip WC and tristate.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
I always forget about Canada. You guys have a ton of ganons, especially now that n0ne is there. Love u Canada. Midwest is overlooked in general too, but we have a fair few ganons here.
I haven't played in a while. Looking forward to this tournament next Saturday! Watch for me on stream, I think I can make it. Lots of killers there though.
I haven't played in a while. Looking forward to this tournament next Saturday! Watch for me on stream, I think I can make it. Lots of killers there though.
RedmanSSBM
Improving My Process
Not many Ganons in the south apart from FL. I'm probably the best Ganon main in NC and Yort... well sorry man but Chaddd has gotten more active recently, so he's the better GA Ganon.
Coastward
Smash Lord
tfw n0ne stole my title of best ganon in toronto just by moving back home.
also, schools almost done for me, so im gonna be grinding more ganon techskill and theories once i finish my exams.
also, schools almost done for me, so im gonna be grinding more ganon techskill and theories once i finish my exams.
I think there are ganons everywhere just not good ones lol. Don't sleep on Brandandorf tho
Coastward
Smash Lord
yeah i know brandandorf is godlike, but he gets overlooked so much because bizz is from the same region. your statement is pretty true tho. i would even go as far to say its not even about skill representation that gets the ganondorfs noticed, more about representation as the person as a whole (ie, their personality, stream hype, etc).
Divinokage
Smash Legend
When I went to Michigan and Boston there were a ton of Ganons playing on TVs. Not sure if its because I was there or there actually is a lot of them.
n0ne
Smash Ace
YvngFlameHoe
Smash Ace
why is duck so ugly?