how often will you meet an advanced player online?

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Interesting point, DarkNES.

 

[GTR!]

I dont know i mean we have Smashboards to make those matches with the top players maybe not in the world but in our states respectivley. And when you play random matches im sure you will meet a decent player (by that i mean someone who uses advanced tactics a lil) atleast 67% of the time lawl

but i mena if you completley destroy a noob online they will either be like OMG HOW DID THEY DO THAT and learn

or just like play a sport with pro players you will quit for the rest of your life and make the online world better for the all of us

 

[Adi]

The skill gradient will even out. But the majority of the people will still be fairly ****ty.

 

[fr0st2k]

my guess.. is if youre good .. and i mean "really good" but not pro .. you'll meet a good match or better player 1/50 games.

Thats why they need a ranking system.


Think about it.. this board has .. 50k members. Im assuming ... that many of those are the same people .. so ill say 30k members...Active members? id bring it down to 5k active members. (thats being generous?)

And assuming that half of those active members can do advanced techniques...coupled with mindgames, and do them well ... 2500 people are "really good"

2500/5,000,000 ... you tell me the odds

 

[Solharath]

Just because Nintendo is forcing anonymity, does not meant here will be no Ranking system of some sort or another. Keeping in check with the Sandbag update today, we can be sure there will be multiple options for the 'with anyone' selection as well. There very well could be a wins to losses ratio, percentage, or just the history right on your Wii, so that if you wished to choose a bracket of some sort, like say...

'50-60% win battle'
'60-70% win battle'
'70-80% win battle'

Where you choose one, and you are more likely to face people in this bracket. Of course, you will face the occasional Noob who just started and played other such noobs and, by happenstance, won to buff his percentage, and those who simply prey on those said noobs to buff them, but you also get a better chance in facing better players. That's just a guess though.

 

[red stone]

Just because Nintendo is forcing anonymity, does not meant here will be no Ranking system of some sort or another. Keeping in check with the Sandbag update today, we can be sure there will be multiple options for the 'with anyone' selection as well. There very well could be a wins to losses ratio, percentage, or just the history right on your Wii, so that if you wished to choose a bracket of some sort, like say...

'50-60% win battle'
'60-70% win battle'
'70-80% win battle'

Where you choose one, and you are more likely to face people in this bracket. Of course, you will face the occasional Noob who just started and played other such noobs and, by happenstance, won to buff his percentage, and those who simply prey on those said noobs to buff them, but you also get a better chance in facing better players. That's just a guess though.

if it worked this way, i hope it refreshes or at least only counts the last month or so

 

[Neo-X]

Hm...I don't think meeting casual players or advanced players would be a problem. I think they could be using some extra time to set up a system that separates them..if you think you're good, or you know you are good, you can choose the "Advanced" servers. If you aren't good, you can choose "Novice" and if you're better than the people in "Novice" AND "Advanced" you can choose "Intermediate". Sound good?

 

[chaos_Leader]

statistically, the good and very good Smash players are a small percent of the consumer base. However, take this into account: are the truly n00bish players going to be online during much of their free time? The better smashers are likely to be on more often, and for longer than the 'scrubs'. One should run into a fairly good mix of n00bish, god-like and everyone in between. I may be wrong though...

 

[Garuda]

Meh, I couldn't care less. I believe that any unique mind, poor ("suck" in layman's terms) or advanced, is better than the eventually-predictable level 9 CPU in Melee. And since I have few people to play against, that works. Besides, I'd prefer a relaxing game instead of one full of chatty little kids.

 

[Rex+]

Couldn't agree with you more.
I only use computers in my Melee to practice moves, not actually fight them. It's extremely boring and ridiculously easy.

 

[Takeshi245]

Most likely by friends codes. Chances are random matches will be filled with beginners. I'm an advanced player myself, too, so anyone who wants to play me, ask me and when I get my Wii, just give me your Wii and Brawl friend code.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

Game 1: HAAACKER
Game 2: CHEATAR
Game 3: CHEAP! FOX IS CHEAP!
Game 4: GG, want to add my friend code?
Game 5: OMGWTF I'm gunna report U!

 

[xfootdoctor]

man wii on internet will be pretty cool

there are probably a lot of decent players out there that will probably give you a challenge

and i was thinking that xengri was...cept didn't type it all out because I didn't know how to explain it
:D
and also...internet play will overall increase your skill level by playing a variety of different people
:D

 

[Red Exodus]

No one is going to force you to use voice chat you know, you could always not use it. I don't want VC but I see no reason to keep it out.

 

[Takeshi245]

No one is going to force you to use voice chat you know, you could always not use it. I don't want VC but I see no reason to keep it out.

If we do get voice chat, chances are you'll only hear the people on your friends list.

 

[Rex+]

If we do get voice chat, chances are you'll only hear the people on your friends list.

"What's up? Ready to get owned?"
"Do you... like to get... dirty?"

 

[Eight Sage]

*goes into time machine*

[...]

*backs from the future*

About 2 times a day.

 

[Frogla]

you cant even call yourself an advanced player yet, let us wait since the items in brawl will defintly be unpredictable. Its all about who grabs the smash ball my freind

 

[red stone]

you cant even call yourself an advanced player yet, let us wait since the items in brawl will defintly be unpredictable. Its all about who grabs the smash ball my freind

actually, if you can think through your moves well in melee, chances are, you'll be pretty set to go in brawl. sure the feel may be different slightly but you already have the general idea.

 

[Bloodmage]

Hm...I don't think meeting casual players or advanced players would be a problem. I think they could be using some extra time to set up a system that separates them..if you think you're good, or you know you are good, you can choose the "Advanced" servers. If you aren't good, you can choose "Novice" and if you're better than the people in "Novice" AND "Advanced" you can choose "Intermediate". Sound good?

"OMG IM A GUD AT DIS GAEM I CNA BEET ALL OV MI FREINDZ SO IMMA GUNA PWN UR BUT N00B LOLOLOLOLOLOL" disproves that idea. Though, it would have worked in theory.

 

[Knight-errant]

Man, it's pretty stupid that they force us to be anonymous.

Hmm...maybe even though they're forcing us to have no identies, perhaps there will be different "rooms" for different skill levels. That method is used for many game sites (such as pogo.com) and allows people in different skill levels to play people of the same level.

They better do SOMETHING similar to that. Because if I just feel like playing a friendly match it would be pretty annoying to get abused by someone who feels like playing competive. Or alternately, it would also be pretty annoying if I feel like playing a competitive game and my oponent just runs around the field throwing items.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Nintendo is pretty stupid when it comes to online. Seriously, the system has been out for nearly a year and we have no headset?!?!?!?!

 

[error_alt_delete]

you know, if you dont like anonamys that is what FREIND CODES and this site are for...right?
also, people will yes, have different intentions, but if they are playing for fun and you competitive, teach them the errors of their ways, make them cry for having the misfortune of facing you. just go out, fight, have a good time, and enjoy, its a good system, you just got to know how it works.

 

[SirroMinus1]

If most of the players are from NS and play Online we. probably never play anyone good ◎_○ . but im going to be collecting alot of FC'S Anyway so i can play people same skill lvl or better.

 

[Lemon Drop]

I really wonder why a game that will most likely be rated 'T' is forcing us to be unknown to our opponents.

 

[errtu]

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Advanced players won't be playing Smash Online that often beyond local online play (I'm also an 'advanced player', per say) due to frame dependant nature of competative smash.

Online will always have lag no matter what location you are playing from. this can cause multiple miscalculated attacks or any thing of that nature. Online smash is nothing more than an option, and was never intended to replace local oturnaments in competative play.

Even if that were possible, I still wouldn't use online that much. Nothing beats the experiance of playing with another person in the flesh, even if you had a Mic function.

man you gotta relax it is just a game man, you do remember right? besides not everyone can play locally. it is much more practical to fire up ur wii and play from ur house online. really man, i don't think it'll happen the way u are saying.

"Frame dependant nature.." geez so what if u lose one stock ?? nothing that's what u keep playing and that's it i don't think lag will play such a major role, as long as they are not too far away from each other .

 

[Rex+]

Nintendo is pretty stupid when it comes to online. Seriously, the system has been out for nearly a year and we have no headset?!?!?!?!

Hey, we had Voice Chat with Diamond and Pearl, a headset is possible for Brawl.

 

[Hitaku]

I really wonder why a game that will most likely be rated 'T' is forcing us to be unknown to our opponents.

"ESRB Notice: Game Experience May Change During Online Play". That's really all they needed to include no matter what the rating is. Too bad Nintendo doesn't agree.

 

[errtu]

Also, have you guys seen the T5 online mode? I don't really know the details, but I heard it is done by rooms with the best players reaching the top and other players challenging him to take over the room. That sounds pretty fun.

what u talking about? what is this T5 online mode?

 

[Red Exodus]

man you gotta relax it is just a game man, you do remember right? besides not everyone can play locally. it is much more practical to fire up ur wii and play from ur house online. really man, i don't think it'll happen the way u are saying.

"Frame dependant nature.." geez so what if u lose one stock ?? nothing that's what u keep playing and that's it i don't think lag will play such a major role, as long as they are not too far away from each other .

That's why he is talking about the competitive side and nothing about the casual side. Of course, if you don't know squat about it you wouldn't understand. Pros are not going to want to smash online through lag while in a competitive match, if anything, they might play for practice but nothing serious.

I don't plan to play competitively online, I live too far from most smashers to consider it, I'm just going to play people in florida [closest place] and random noobs.

 

[Rex+]

Pros are not going to want to smash online through lag while in a competitive match, if anything, they might play for practice but nothing serious.

I agree with that statement. Playing random people each time will help you find the enemy's weakness faster, then allow you to exploit it. You might not get much out of a total n00b, however. And there's going to be tons of the little critters in Wi-Fi.

 

[darkNES386]

man you gotta relax it is just a game man, you do remember right? besides not everyone can play locally. it is much more practical to fire up ur wii and play from ur house online. really man, i don't think it'll happen the way u are saying.

"Frame dependant nature.." geez so what if u lose one stock ?? nothing that's what u keep playing and that's it i don't think lag will play such a major role, as long as they are not too far away from each other .

All he is saying is that you can't expect online play to match up to an in person tournament/match. They're not the same. Online play will be fun and have great benefits, but very few people are going to be able to go around bragging about how amazing they are online. Sure people will want to challenge each other, but it still wont' be the same.

 

[vesperview]

This thread is useless because no one knows the answer to any of those questions.

 

[Jihnsius]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100427

You will be able to play advanced players any time you want to.

 

[Canvas]

The majority of the posters in this topic seem to believe that those who mainly use WiFi battles to challenge random players will improve; that they're playing for the sake of competition. But really, I doubt this to be true. A lot of people just play to boost their ego, rather than for the thrill of the competition itself. Generally, these people kinda suck.

I doubt they'll ever get better, simply for the fact that when they start to lose, they'll get angry and turn their Wii off. It happens in like every other online game, and though some if it can be a result of not wanting any bad marks on their records or statistics, I really believe just as many, if not more, are from nothing more than hissy fits.

The power button is on the Wiimote. I can see it happening far too often. So, the chance of seeing a truly advanced player? Not even worth stating, in my opinion.

 

[Jihnsius]

Perhaps you overlooked my post altogether.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100427

You will be able to play advanced players any time you want to.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I'm pretty sure the number of inexperienced players greatly outnumbers the experienced ones for Brawl.

So have fun pwning noobs. =D

Not Exactly. The number of people joining SWF has increased since nsider shut down and will continue to increase when when brawl comes out. There will be more inexperience players, but the difference will not be as big as you think.

 

[darkNES386]

The majority of the posters in this topic seem to believe that those who mainly use WiFi battles to challenge random players will improve; that they're playing for the sake of competition. But really, I doubt this to be true. A lot of people just play to boost their ego, rather than for the thrill of the competition itself. Generally, these people kinda suck.

I doubt they'll ever get better, simply for the fact that when they start to lose, they'll get angry and turn their Wii off. It happens in like every other online game, and though some if it can be a result of not wanting any bad marks on their records or statistics, I really believe just as many, if not more, are from nothing more than hissy fits.

The power button is on the Wiimote. I can see it happening far too often. So, the chance of seeing a truly advanced player? Not even worth stating, in my opinion.

Well, let's not forget that the random battle will have some sort of value. If none of your friends are on I'm sure it might be worth it every now and then to try a couple or "anybody" ones. Maybe I'm wrong, of course "with Friends" will no doubt be used much more by those that are organized (older), so you may find "anybody" full of horrible younger players, or those who have no network skills.

 

[Rx-]

Advanced players won't be playing many random matches. The system will be too laggy for that. Advanced players will play local online matches with specific people, or they will just go to the person's house and actually play with them. Otherwise we are all going to become FAT MMORPG GAMERZ.

imo....

 

[darkNES386]

Otherwise we are all going to become FAT MMORPG GAMERZ.

Because driving/walking somewhere is going to maek you less of a fat gamer?