how often will you meet an advanced player online?

[red stone]

with the lack of any ranking system implemented into brawl, you will be playing against many people with many different skill levels instead of people around your skill level.

so if i were to do just random matches, how often would one meet an opponent that has a good feel for the game. a person who can predict, be unpredictable, and is efficient in his/her moves.

the problem is communication. even if you completely beat someone, you can't tell them how you beat them. you can't be all like "learn to l-cancel begin-gin!"). so this adds to the number of ignorant people online.

another scenario is that the skill will be split evenly. there could be many highly advanced players online who completely screw over all the non-advanced players every time they get online causing it so no one wants to play online anymore (or at least the less knowledgeable players)

 

[Maben]

I really hope they take the extra development time to at least put in some kind of ranking system, or maybe even just record wins/losses or something so you can at least see how you compare to people, even if there is no match-up system. After awhile, most people that play online a lot WILL have a feel for the game simply by the nature that the more dedicated players are the ones that will be playing human opponents online a lot.

There will still be plenty of noobs for you to beat on though don't worry.

 

[SonicZeroX]

I'm pretty sure the number of inexperienced players greatly outnumbers the experienced ones for Brawl.

So have fun pwning noobs. =D

 

[Red Exodus]

I forget the specifics, but we are only 1% of the customers that bought Melee. Considering some people here don't use advanced techniques, most people here will probably use friend codes, some people here don't have Wiis, some people here might not make the jump to Brawl, some people here don't have online and Brawl will probably sell better than Melee, I'd say it's a very very small chance that you'll meet good players that often.

 

[Weed]

Just use this forum for friend codes. gg

 

[Pyr0]

Thats why we have forums like this, where we will set up "expirienced" matches.

 

[Xengri]

Actually I believe the online play will result in a huge increase of advanced players.


The way I believe it's going to work out is at first, out of every 12 games you'll find one advanced player (12:1). But as time goes on the ratio will decrease, 10:1, 7:1, 3:1 etc. (random numbers BTW)

Reason being is
After getting beaten by that "one random guy" over and over again, more "casuals" will ether
A. Get frustrated, stop going online, and only play with friends.
or
B. Become inspired to get better and eventfully learn advance play.

The more casuals that take the B route, causes more "casuals" to face more " one random guy" and be beaten. It's become a vicious cycle for casuals.


Casuals will be beaten by advance players --> some casuals will quit, some will become advance players --> more advance players on the internet --> more casuals will be beaten by advance players.
Until finally (after a long while) mostly all players online will have become advance players and the ones that have refused to do so will have been run out of online and forced to play with their friends.


That's just my guess though, it might turn out differently. I'm hoping this is what happens.

 

[Vortok]

It'd be nice if we get something in between "fight random people" and "specifically select who you fight." Kinda like a "fight anyone on your friend list" ... or maybe anyone on your list OR that's on your friend's friend list. I dunno.

Middle ground plz.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

with the lack of any ranking system implemented into brawl, you will be playing against many people with many different skill levels instead of people around your skill level.

so if i were to do just random matches, how often would one meet an opponent that has a good feel for the game. a person who can predict, be unpredictable, and is efficient in his/her moves.

the problem is communication. even if you completely beat someone, you can't tell them how you beat them. you can't be all like "learn to l-cancel begin-gin!"). so this adds to the number of ignorant people online.

another scenario is that the skill will be split evenly. there could be many highly advanced players online who completely screw over all the non-advanced players every time they get online causing it so no one wants to play online anymore (or at least the less knowledgeable players)

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Advanced players won't be playing Smash Online that often beyond local online play (I'm also an 'advanced player', per say) due to frame dependant nature of competative smash.

Online will always have lag no matter what location you are playing from. this can cause multiple miscalculated attacks or any thing of that nature. Online smash is nothing more than an option, and was never intended to replace local oturnaments in competative play.

Even if that were possible, I still wouldn't use online that much. Nothing beats the experiance of playing with another person in the flesh, even if you had a Mic function.

 

[crush_T_asain]

i hope like after a game when they show the results screen you could send friend code or something but if there will be nothing like that im sure the casual plays will get better eventually...if you dont even learen adv techs youll still get better find combos and such or maybe learn from friends hell theres youtube to notify the gereral public, i guerentee that after a week there will be about 50 videos on some guy teaching you how to wavedash if not theres the melee ones and just transfer the knoledge

i think smash boards should set up a "Smash School" like give out friend codes on youtube or something and if the casual players will PM the people then they could communicate via wi-fi so ya
if casual players like smash and have wi-fi theyll get better wihich means new generation of good smashers

 

[The Hypnotist]

I forget the specifics, but we are only 1% of the customers that bought Melee. Considering some people here don't use advanced techniques, most people here will probably use friend codes, some people here don't have Wiis, some people here might not make the jump to Brawl, some people here don't have online and Brawl will probably sell better than Melee, I'd say it's a very very small chance that you'll meet good players that often.

QTF!

However most of the newbs will play in FFAs so if you have your settings to 4 stock matches (8 min time limit) It'll go from like 1% to maybe 10 percent

 

[kinghippo99]

@ Xengri
dude... that's deep

 

[HeltXL]

I have a feeling that any advanced player you come across would be few and far between.
Or, you could just get friend codes from a whole bunch of advanced players, then... you're not set, and you should find a tourney to attend.

Just like Eternal phoenix Fire says, lag is inevitable.

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

I dont think this is a problem. Sure sometimes you will get paired with a stronger person but if they beat you big deal. You dont need to talk just play. Online is going to rule.

 

[sdhonda]

It will probably end up like mario kart. For the first few weeks, nearly everyone is crappy. Eventually, god played who know all the ends and outs of the game start appearing more and more, and after a good while, they make up a signifigant number of players.

Online wont overtake competetive play, I have no doubt of that. However, it will still be a popular mode. Yes, its fun to play with your friends in the flesh. But most of my friends arnt around here any more.

 

[The Hypnotist]

It's going to be great to own some newbs with some float canceled nairs and some IC chain throws and wobbling. It's really gonna be great!

 

[froz3ntear]

with the lack of any ranking system implemented into brawl, you will be playing against many people with many different skill levels instead of people around your skill level.

so if i were to do just random matches, how often would one meet an opponent that has a good feel for the game. a person who can predict, be unpredictable, and is efficient in his/her moves.

the problem is communication. even if you completely beat someone, you can't tell them how you beat them. you can't be all like "learn to l-cancel begin-gin!"). so this adds to the number of ignorant people online.

another scenario is that the skill will be split evenly. there could be many highly advanced players online who completely screw over all the non-advanced players every time they get online causing it so no one wants to play online anymore (or at least the less knowledgeable players)

Can you even do 1vs1's online randomly? From playing strikers, it seems that online maybe just 4 random players connecting and playing free for all on a random stage and to do any 1vs1's would require friend codes anyways.

Actually I believe the online play will result in a huge increase of advanced players.


The way I believe it's going to work out is at first, out of every 12 games you'll find one advanced player (12:1). But as time goes on the ratio will decrease, 10:1, 7:1, 3:1 etc. (random numbers BTW)

Reason being is
After getting beaten by that "one random guy" over and over again, more "casuals" will ether
A. Get frustrated, stop going online, and only play with friends.
or
B. Become inspired to get better and eventfully learn advance play.

The more casuals that take the B route, causes more "casuals" to face more " one random guy" and be beaten. It's become a vicious cycle for casuals.


Casuals will be beaten by advance players --> some casuals will quit, some will become advance players --> more advance players on the internet --> more casuals will be beaten by advance players.
Until finally (after a long while) mostly all players online will have become advance players and the ones that have refused to do so will have been run out of online and forced to play with their friends.


That's just my guess though, it might turn out differently. I'm hoping this is what happens.

It's true to a certain extent, but it really depends on what you consider a casual and advance player. It's true that online play will narrow the gap, giving people chances to learn techniques and strategies from players all over the world instead of a handful of locals, the level of smash will without a doubt go up as people play online and search for local tournaments.

Also, have you guys seen the T5 online mode? I don't really know the details, but I heard it is done by rooms with the best players reaching the top and other players challenging him to take over the room. That sounds pretty fun.

 

[Burning Soul]

I think the noobs will become good eventually for obvious reasons.

 

[Sprigginz_Caldo]

I'm guessing that the number of n00bs to the number of competent players is about....15:1

I'm not kidding

but then again, we'll all have to learn some new tricks in Brawl as well, evening out the numbers a little bit...

 

[.Yoshi]

We will all have to play Brawl as a new game different from Melee. Take Tekken 4 and 5 for example. Different feel and tiers etc.

Balance could have been shifted, changes made, etc.

 

[The Hypnotist]

It doesn't matter, we still know how to L-Cancel.

 

[Rex+]

Practice with random people on the net is a good way to keep your game fresh, since you're never facing the same player twice and you learn to exploit your opponent's weaknesses rather than try to use a method that worked on an old one.
It's be tough finding a good opponent randomly, though. And exchanging Friend Codes sucks.

 

[h1roshi]

i think they will perfect online with the extra delay IMHO. also as far as us playing advanced players a lot. the best way to remedy that is for us to make just use smashboards to attain all the peoples wii numbers who you want to fight and play them that way. you could set up dates and times and junk...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Mama]

I think there will be a lot of people out there that will get beat down by just the right person and think "What have I been doing?" and then hop online and learn how to step their game up. Online play should theoretically increase the amount of highly skilled players. It comes with the territory. If you play online games (Fisrt Person Shooters for example) you're going to either learn how to keep up or find out how to keep up.

 

[Thino]

that 32 friend code limit sucks

 

[tennisthehilife]

Actually I believe the online play will result in a huge increase of advanced players.


The way I believe it's going to work out is at first, out of every 12 games you'll find one advanced player (12:1). But as time goes on the ratio will decrease, 10:1, 7:1, 3:1 etc. (random numbers BTW)

Reason being is
After getting beaten by that "one random guy" over and over again, more "casuals" will ether
A. Get frustrated, stop going online, and only play with friends.
or
B. Become inspired to get better and eventfully learn advance play.

The more casuals that take the B route, causes more "casuals" to face more " one random guy" and be beaten. It's become a vicious cycle for casuals.


Casuals will be beaten by advance players --> some casuals will quit, some will become advance players --> more advance players on the internet --> more casuals will be beaten by advance players.
Until finally (after a long while) mostly all players online will have become advance players and the ones that have refused to do so will have been run out of online and forced to play with their friends.


That's just my guess though, it might turn out differently. I'm hoping this is what happens.

Really good reasoning. So you're saying its right to kill noobs! I will have no sympathy, pity, or regrets. It is for the better!

With the delay I expect improvements on online battle such as rooms and an optional ranking mode.

Edit: eh I keep forgeting: "Smash Bros Perfection Program" not delay. I'm on my steps to anger management, a new optimism, and reduced stress all thanks to I just want to make you... smile!! -- A POSITIVE Brawl Thread http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=120665

It has helped me deal with disappointment and it will help you too!!!

 

[Thino]

dont expect the noob ratio to decrease that fast , I've been playing SSB64 online for more than a year , and there still many noobs , ok some of them improve , BUT SOME OTHER STILL CANT LCANCEL AFTER ONE YEAR **** !

 

[NES n00b]

that 32 friend code limit sucks

64 plus other **** that makes this post seem relevant and fills space.

Edit: There will be lots of n00bs and not alot of advance tech users so search for friend codes of tourney goers near you so it doesn't lag.

 

[rev]

Actually I believe the online play will result in a huge increase of advanced players.


The way I believe it's going to work out is at first, out of every 12 games you'll find one advanced player (12:1). But as time goes on the ratio will decrease, 10:1, 7:1, 3:1 etc. (random numbers BTW)

Reason being is
After getting beaten by that "one random guy" over and over again, more "casuals" will ether
A. Get frustrated, stop going online, and only play with friends.
or
B. Become inspired to get better and eventfully learn advance play.

The more casuals that take the B route, causes more "casuals" to face more " one random guy" and be beaten. It's become a vicious cycle for casuals.


Casuals will be beaten by advance players --> some casuals will quit, some will become advance players --> more advance players on the internet --> more casuals will be beaten by advance players.
Until finally (after a long while) mostly all players online will have become advance players and the ones that have refused to do so will have been run out of online and forced to play with their friends.


That's just my guess though, it might turn out differently. I'm hoping this is what happens.

you know that actually makes sense to me for one big reason behind it. With playing melee in person people have always tried to put up that I don't care about advanced techs I just play for fun stuff up, and if you do great for you. But when it comes to play a game ONLINE, almost any game online. It is practically guaranteed to be 5 or 6 times competitive.

 

[kinghippo99]

agreed... to the MAX

 

[Big Burn]

im just happy that if im bored as **** and my friends aren't available to play i can beat up on some people besides computers with ****ty AI

 

[SolidSonic]

Will there be lag playing over the Wii?

 

[Old Man Nintendo]

Will there be lag playing over the Wii?

Based on my experience with Mario Strikers, there will be little, if any, lag in online gameplay. From what I've seen, if you have a 4-star online connection rating or greater you will not experience any lag while playing online.

Just make sure your wireless connection is 2-3 bars on your Wii, if you don't have the Wii wired to your router. I play with a wireless connection and I've never had a problem.

~Old Man Nintendo

 

[darkNES386]

I see two options... and really only two options assuming that you wish to find competition online, but with people you might not necessarily already know.

1) This is more sloppy... but post a forum where people share their brawl codes and just have everyone within a group of 50-64 (64 max of course) play each other.

2) OR... you join online tournaments, and meet plenty of opponents that way and jot down the people you enjoyed playing and chat about in the forums after the tournament... a tournament such as.....

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=120358

 

[AttackstorM]

there will be noobs at first but eventually the bar will be moved up to where most people will be advanced. the nature of online play always produces more advanced players in total and also increases how advanced players become. so since brawl has online play it will have more advanced players than melee and also players will become even more advanced than what was ever seen in melee. this is always the case for any popular online game where people compete.

 

[SolidSonic]

I really don't know how I qualify on a skill level, will be fun to see how I match up with others.

I destroyed my friends in past games, but don't know how good they are on a skill level. Just assumed we were a ways above average.

Based on my experience with Mario Strikers, there will be little, if any, lag in online gameplay. From what I've seen, if you have a 4-star online connection rating or greater you will not experience any lag while playing online.

Just make sure your wireless connection is 2-3 bars on your Wii, if you don't have the Wii wired to your router. I play with a wireless connection and I've never had a problem.

~Old Man Nintendo

Okay thats good to hear I have a good connection so I should be fine.

 

[pyrochemical]

i bet they will do some kind of raking system. Pretty sure about that actually

 

[Crispy4001]

6 months from now, I wouldn't count on jumping into a game and playing n00bs half the time.


Unlike other Nintendo franchises, Smash has a competitive following, the sort that would continually play online. And unlike like Mario Kart, there's much more to playing well than a one trick pony (snaking), meaning the competitive types won't get bored with it.


Of course, that population of players with Melee was minuscule compared to everyone who picked up the game. But give it a few months with Brawl, and nearly everyone who plays online regularly will pick up advanced tricks. Those who don't know them will either be discouraged from playing online because they'll lose so often, or learn for themselves.

Don't think a ranking system has much to do with that. If you lose most often, not having it count on your record doesn't mean you'll want to pop online again just to lose some more. You'd want to win.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Who cares, honestly.

If it lags, oh well.

If you want competative play - go to a tournament. It's like with any hockey team soccer team or whatever.

If you don't want to get out there and do it, then cry.

 

[darkNES386]

i bet they will do some kind of raking system. Pretty sure about that actually

Mr. Sakurai has said specifically that a ranking system would be difficult to implement and that all he cares about... what really matters... is connecting people to expand who they can play. We don't need a ranking system for a game like this. I personally feel that it would be pointless and ruled by those who do nothing but play Brawl. This game is too special to be messed with like that. All we need to do is organize things for ourselves.