How do I beat MK with CF?

[SmashBrother2008]

There has been one recurring atribute that provides advantages to characters throughout the Smash series. That's speed.

 

[Union of Darkness]

I use Ganondorf AND Falcon and I must say it disheartens me to see mainers of two characters in a similar position argue in such a way.

 

[SaltyKracka]

There has been one recurring atribute that provides advantages to characters throughout the Smash series. That's speed.

Snake. Dedede. Sonic.

 

[Player 3]

i main ganon and falcon....

and its too close to call it one way or the other,
falcon has the advantage in the sense that he can punish,
but if ganon gets you, your ****ed

 

[Tonsana]

Falcon Kick is your freind aganst MK. Also jabs!

 

[Roderick]

This really isn't that hard if you are the better player. Many kicks and jabs. DON'T EDGEGUARD. Really, don't.

 

[Darxmarth23]

Just pull off the sacred combo in real life. Hopefully the MK player will run away.

Seriously though, i would say plank knees. And use falcon dive.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Planking. With Falcon. Against MK?

I laughed.

 

[Zeallyx]

Planking. With Falcon. Against MK?

I laughed.

this^

planking with falcon overall is suicide
against MK its even worse than suicide..

 

[Darxmarth23]

I know that.

Why do you think i said it and didn't type in red?

I want this thread to be over. Everyone knows that Falcon Planking is asking for death.

 

[Lemonwater]

Rely on u-air and Falcon Kick and little annoying attacks that rack up damage I guess. Then good luck killing him.

I just played my friend's MK with C. Falcon today. It was terribly difficult. Jabs, f-tilt, Falcon Kick, and u-air were pretty much the only things I did that could hit him XD

 

[Darxmarth23]

MK has no lag you can punish. THe only things you CAN punish are actual mistakes.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

grab often. Space bairs at lower %, then kill with it later.

I usually just run around dodging like a madman until MK makes a mistake, then punish >__>

 

[S8on95]

Hit the MK, try to stay higher percent
Stall for the rest of the time

 

[xzerolegend]

let him aproach you if possible. play defensive. hit and run. dont be afraid to jump off stage after him. if hes below you or at your hieght he may up B when you do this and thats easily avoided. even if you dont get a hit on them off stage, you did manage to control their reaction for a moment. either keep at a distance or stay very close, metaknight has the most advantage at midrange. dont try to string moves together unless you know they'll hit. just land small hits when you can and go for the KO when hes at high enough percent.
dont get frustrated

 

[Tenki]

^
to add to this,

most approaching MK's are horribly predictable (campy ones are much harder IMO). And the thing is, MK's attacks are punishable out of shield.

If they F-air? Shield and F-tilt OoS.
If they Up-B? Shield the rise, FH U-air OoS.

etc.

 

[leonin]

Use Bair for approach,is has good priority and less lag,try to always Uthrow him to hit with Uair and dont let him touch the ground.
Try to edgeguard him using the setup Flubbed knee + Uair with care,because you shoudnt let MK recover without trouble,or else you will find it hard to KO him.

 

[pheX]

Choose your opponent wisely

Well I'd suggest dont even try to edgeguard. You can't.
It always hard to edgeguard MK, but falcon will get gimped before you even notice.

Jabs are quite useful I guess since they are one of falcons best moves in brawl.
Play on defense. You can't rush Meta Knight. If you want to approach choose
something without lag. Maybe bair.
Try to punish every mistake, especially with upairs (Shieldgrab/upthrow)
you might hit more than one time.

 

[Phantom7]

Try to keep a little more distance so MK's attacks don't reach. Also keep in mind that Falcon is faster than MK, so it shouldn't be hard to keep plenty of distance. But try to keep the most in the air, and once he's about halfway done attacking, attack him, because CF's move aren't too slow. CF's running attack might work, too.

I say just try to keep a lot of distance. That's one of MK's major disadvantages.

 

[Diddyknight]

up air helps a lot

 

[POKE40]

Okay okay guys... thanks for a bunch of help.
:embarrass

I think I can handle this now...lol
btw what is planking? *hides, cause it was such a noobish question*

I watched the video w/ reflex play as MK and it was great.
And I see many people have different views on how to approach MK and they're all great.

So I'll adapt to my opponent's MK. I'll have to master MK in order to know what would be commonly used against CF and as CF, be prepared for it.

So overall:
-No edgeguarding
-If going offensive, provide no space for MK
-If providing no space, keep in mind of MK's attacks
-If going defensive, hit and run
- uair
- usmash (conserve)
-grab often
-most important: Falcon PAUNCH! (tnx Player 3, I almost forgot.)

Thanks!

 

[Darxmarth23]

Good. Can we let this die now?

 

[Player 3]

were the falcon boards, we let nothing die.

you forgot the falcon punching...

 

[Ussi]

hack melee and give kirby a MK texture hack. Then show MK what its like to be bottom tier against a high tier

 

[Zodac]

im going to fight mk cpu right now, post results in 7 minutes

 

[Zeallyx]

im going to fight mk cpu right now, post results in 7 minutes

why....?^_^

 

[POKE40]

im going to fight mk cpu right now, post results in 7 minutes

um...okay?
When I said about unable to fight MK cpu, I used sarcasm if you didn't know...

CF threads are hard to die...specially on a CF board lol

 

[Zodac]

5 stock BF... low items, only mr.saturn on

Faclon SD, going for Up special, missed, got edge hogged. i was 20% and mk was 50% to (4-5)

Mk fall, sweet spoted knee of justice off stage, classic (4-4)

MK fall, recovered with raptor boost above stage (wtf as i doing?) and mk went right under and spiked to death lololol (4-3)

Falcon Fall, @136% mk comes jumps down (while invincible from respawn i believe) and d smashes me to death, ****. (3-3)

Mk fall, got a few combo's on him to build up damage (inc. another sweet-spoteed knee, which he almost died from) he was behind me @ 100ish% and i d smahed and hit him on the second hitbox (3-2)

Falcon sd, i was was being dumb and recoved with raptor boost and missed, really stupid (2-2)

Mk fall, he was hovering around the edge and i just ran off without jumping and sweetspoted a knee @ 75% (2-1)

Mk fall, i was @ 158% just trying to stay alive and he runs into my fully charged f smash @ 90ish % in the middle of BF.

5-3 win to C falcon

That's how i roll

 

[Dekillsage]

i kno ur done buuuuuuut i like goin to battle field and running away from mk. u cant catch me mk then i go below him when he's on a platform and uair him good times

 

[Face124]

anyone got any good reasons not to edge guard
MK? Good players can avoid being hit by him
By falling off, baiting and attack then fast falling an aerial. It's unlikely that you will kill him, but more damage is good.

 

[Roderick]

Sometime ago I never edgeguarded him. But now i always do. It's not that hard. It's hust harder than with other characters.

 

[Nami-Tsuki]

Mindgames? If you're a psychic genius, they'll lose their will to live hopefully and NOT play as MK just because he's top tier.

Tiers are for queers anyway, so kick MK's *** >D I've done it against lvl 9s for funsies.

If all else fails, beg for an item match and hope luck is on your side.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Tiers are for queers

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

 

[Phantom7]

Cf's air attacks are great, use them a lot. I would also say grab a lot and try to combo moves out of his grab.

 

[Lareit]

5 stock BF... low items, only mr.saturn on

Faclon SD, going for Up special, missed, got edge hogged. i was 20% and mk was 50% to (4-5)

Mk fall, sweet spoted knee of justice off stage, classic (4-4)

MK fall, recovered with raptor boost above stage (wtf as i doing?) and mk went right under and spiked to death lololol (4-3)

Falcon Fall, @136% mk comes jumps down (while invincible from respawn i believe) and d smashes me to death, ****. (3-3)

Mk fall, got a few combo's on him to build up damage (inc. another sweet-spoteed knee, which he almost died from) he was behind me @ 100ish% and i d smahed and hit him on the second hitbox (3-2)

Falcon sd, i was was being dumb and recoved with raptor boost and missed, really stupid (2-2)

Mk fall, he was hovering around the edge and i just ran off without jumping and sweetspoted a knee @ 75% (2-1)

Mk fall, i was @ 158% just trying to stay alive and he runs into my fully charged f smash @ 90ish % in the middle of BF.

5-3 win to C falcon

That's how i roll

This is either Epic Win or Epic Phail....depending on how you look at it.

 

[Ojanya]

I would also say grab a lot and try to combo moves out of his grab.

Lol @ that



On topic: You won't beat MK with CF unless with MK sucks nuts.