Houston Thread - No HOBOs and no WHOBOs. What do we do now??????????????????????????????????????????

[heytallman]

Ozz did you just John for Allan?

Also, Razer, who do you use in Melee?

 

[UltimateRazer]

I mained Samus and mario...mainly samus but eh. I also used......

Thats it

 

[Player-4]

I'll teach you Olimar my pet. Then you can teach me Snake while doing the Gnes laugh. Yeahhh the Gnes laugh.

 

[Xyro77]

Then why do you john about DDD all the time?

Its hard for you to grasp but i will try........

IN melee there was stuff that i thought was "unfair" and it pissed me off. Slowly, i learned that certain situations you will ALWAYS get into but you can REDUCE the number of hits/damage you take by DI or better stage selection. In almost EVERY situation in melee, there was an answer. The WORST it got in melee was sheiks CGing and maybe marths CG to utilts or even fox infinite wallshine. But even then, there were things you could do.


i buy brawl


And from what i see ALREADY, there are things(many many many many things) that are not just "unfair" but down right ********.

DDD can ICG 4-6 chars and can do 45-50% after on just ONE CG spree on 80% of the cast.
Super armor on ALOT of stupid moves(charizard/ike/ddd/ect).
Grab armor(iir that wasnt in melee)
Falcos CG that does 40+ and can spike half the **** cast.
Regular/Buffered CGs with pika
Lack of mobility(WD and l-cancel are gone hell you cant even DD without tripping)
Air/ ground Tripping
Footstooling
******** infinites(ZS vs Rob/ZS vs fox))
Wall locks
Jab locks



I could go on but you get the picture. I come from a game to where if you LOSE its cause you were out played and you DESERVED a loss. I come from a game where if your char had a disadvantage, you could CP them by char AND/OR stage. I come from a game that is(when you compare the two) BALANCED. I come from a game when people didnt need to realy one ********/unfair tactics to win. I come from a game where if you pick marth just cause hes a good character, i can still beat the **** out of you because you dont even use marth.

Brawl is not like this(and i can have almost every melee player back me up) and never will be.

Some times i even consider bringing back melee scene(cause i can if i choose to) because brawl is getting worse and worse each and every month(in terms of gayness). And the lord knows the melee people were MUCH cooler than the brawl people(the way we treated each other).

I just come from a **** GOOD scene/game and now im stuck(its by my CHOOSING, that i kinda regret now) in it and am FORCED to deal with it eacha nd every tourney. Its just not fun.

 

[heytallman]

Allan, just saying, there are ways to get around it. It's called CP'ing characters. You use a character that can't be infinite'd and you avoid the infinite. That easy. Boom. One grab u not done.

 

[UltimateRazer]

papa wrecked you halfman. face it.

 

[Suspect]

wrong thread lol

 

[UltimateRazer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar3gHtzx__Y

He ***** himself....WOW.

 

[Xyro77]

papa wrecked you halfman. face it.

no no. its not about wrecking or not wrecking.

Allan, just saying, there are ways to get around it. It's called CP'ing characters. You use a character that can't be infinite'd and you avoid the infinite. That easy. Boom. One grab u not done.

It aint about the CG. Hell i could leave DDD out of this and move on to olimar.

Olimar can sit there and spam you "till kingdom come" and there is little to NOTHING you can do. In melee, you can WD out of shield and **** up that little *******'s spam-a-thon..

or lets drop olimar and move on to what royr complains about all the time. Brawl is over all a defensive game. Never in my life have i see such spam/running away/stalling/playing defensive. In melee that **** got your *** beat 90% of the time. Brawl ENCOURAGES IT.


but as i said, its the future.

 

[UltimateRazer]

I kinda see what xyro is saying. Think about it. Samus cannot do ANYTHING around that CG except CP with a limited choice of the cast.

 

[KRDsonic]

or IC against falco

IC are actually hard to use against Falco though... that's why even back when I mained them I went Sheik vs. Falco instead

Brawl is not like this(and i can have almost every melee player back me up) and never will be.

Some times i even consider bringing back melee scene(cause i can if i choose to) because brawl is getting worse and worse each and every month(in terms of gayness). And the lord knows the melee people were MUCH cooler than the brawl people(the way we treated each other).

I just come from a **** GOOD scene/game and now im stuck(its by my CHOOSING, that i kinda regret now) in it and am FORCED to deal with it eacha nd every tourney. Its just not fun.

Yes, do this. I'd rather play a game I suck at then a game that comes down to who plays the gayest, in ways that don't take much effort. (I like Brawl and all, but let's face it, that is the truth. Every now and then I go out of my way to play as gay as I can against people in friendlies just to prove it too, and boy do those people hate me after it).


But unless something ever happens, I'll continue using Wolf, who seems to be one of the few characters without tons of exploits that stands a chance, with Ice Climbers as my backup (and possibly Sonic and Pit later).

Edit: Brawl also seems to have tons of complaints about it. I can't speak about the Melee community since I wasn't a part of it, I was just a casual back then, but I don't see how there could be as much in that game as there is in Brawl. And yes, I know I'm contributing to the complaining about Brawl right now

 

[kailo34ce]

The difference between good and brawl good:

When razer picks any char that has to appraoch and doesn't live forever,he gets *****



Gnes can usually beat an average player just using random chars



Gg


Also razer ur trash

 

[Dingding123]

I'd rather play a game I suck at then a game that comes down to who plays the gayest, in ways that don't take much effort. (I like Brawl and all, but let's face it, that is the truth. Every now and then I go out of my way to play as gay as I can against people in friendlies just to prove it too, and boy do those people hate me after it).


But unless something ever happens, I'll continue using Wolf, who seems to be one of the few characters without tons of exploits that stands a chance, with Ice Climbers as my backup (and possibly Sonic and Pit later).

Same for me, but with link and kirbeh. Yeah, brawl is, in a nutshell, many things that melee thankfully wasn't. I think I'll work on my melee link more. He's pretty rusty, so don't expect me to be good at melee at PnT tomorrow. xD But expect me to play it much more often later this summer.

See yall at PnT! :D

 

[KRDsonic]

^^same, but with link and kirbeh. Yeah, brawl is, in a nutshell, many things that melee thankfully wasn't I think I'll work on my melee link more. He's pretty rusty, so don't expect me to play much melee at PnT tomorrow. xD But expect me to play it much more later on this summer.

See yall at PnT! :D

Come over to my house for Melee and Brawl friendlies sometime :D

 

[Xyro77]

I kinda see what xyro is saying. Think about it. Samus cannot do ANYTHING around that CG except CP with a limited choice of the cast.

Well the lower on the tier list you go the more disadvantages you have and i can accept that. But in melee, LOTS of them can be over come simply by OUT THINKING the foe. IN brawl its not as easy and in some cases its IMPOSSIBLE.

if you are using ddd and samus for example:

ddd can kill(samus cant)
ddd has better recovery(this reduces samus gimps)
ddd has super amor on his uptilt(this prevents samus from coming down on top of him)
ddd can INFINITE samus( you just need to pummel one every 4-5 grabs)
ddd can do 40-50 from regular CGs
ddd can power shield samus projectiles(in a game to where powershielding is easier than taking a ****. In a game where 80% of samus style is spam)


and thats JUST ddd. I could list SEVERAL other chars and there laundry list of obscene advantages. In melee, that kind of stuff could be dalt with, well MOST of it. In brawl you aint getting around the stuff i just listed.

 

[TheJerm]

Then why is "brawl the future and melee a sunken ship?"


Also, being a defensive game doesnt make it horrible alone. Its just a different style of playing, which involves your mind more, than it involves tech skill.

 

[heytallman]

So what time does PnT start tomorrow? I heard 1? Will Brawl and Melee be run at the same time?

I can bring my Wii and both games.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Ozz did you just John for Allan?

Also, Razer, who do you use in Melee?

no you ****ing idiot, i explained what allan was saying, because you obviosuly didnt understand

 

[Xyro77]

Also, being a defensive game doesnt make it horrible alone. Its just a different style of playing, which involves your mind more, than it involves tech skill.

You didnt play melee so you didnt know the HIGH levels of thinking that went into it(im not degrading you or anything, im STILL learning things and its been 7 years since melee came out). Brawl is literally not even in the same universe as melee when it comes to levels of thinking.


However, you are right when you said it being defensive doesnt mean its bad. Its just if you come from from hardcore melee(offensive and fast pace) and then you get into brawl(defensive and slow) its really a step down.





PNT i at 1pm. please be on time because De Angelo needs to leave there by 5pm. I recommend food afterwords

 

[heytallman]

no you ****ing idiot, i explained what allan was saying, because you obviosuly didnt understand

Pardon me, sir. But that remark you just made to me was rather rude. I'd like an apology, if it's not too much trouble.

Allan, I'm starting to see what you meant about how the Melee players were more respectful than the Brawl ones.

 

[Van Jones]

I don't understand. If you are always saying that Brawl is the future and Melee is a dead game, why do you talk about them as if they are in opposite positions?

This complaining that I here from you seems to be centered around your ****ty character.........and ultimately the results that your character is yielding. Didn't you say that you were going to try to learn Pikachu. How about you give that a try instead of *****ing about how bad Samus is every single minute of the day. Lord knows som many other people have traded up when they realized that trying to main a low tier chracter was only going to fetch them admiration and nothing else.

Xyro, you are good at this game. I know this. If you really wanted to do well, pick a new character. I may sound like the Devil's Advocate here, but maining Samus isn't going to get you the results you want.

 

[Xyro77]

I don't understand. If you are always saying that Brawl is the future and Melee is a dead game, why do you talk about them as if they are in opposite positions?

This complaining that I here from you seems to be centered around your ****ty character.........and ultimately the results that your character is yielding. Didn't you say that you were going to try to learn Pikachu. How about you give that a try instead of *****ing about how bad Samus is every single minute of the day. Lord knows som many other people have traded up when they realized that trying to main a low tier chracter was only going to fetch them admiration and nothing else.

Xyro, you are good at this game. I know this. If you really wanted to do well, pick a new character. I may sound like the Devil's Advocate here, but maining Samus isn't going to get you the results you want.

I have already mention over 20 things that had nothing to do with samus. When the top switched to samus then i brought up the things ddd has on samus. My posts arent directed at samus unless it was brought up.

I do use pika i just havnt used him in tourney yet. As stated before, im going to use him tomorrow at PNt.

For me it really aint about results. I main samus because i ALWAYS believed that low tier can hang with top tiers and i wanted to prove it. And at first i was but over time you people have decided to be a homo as possible and in brawl the only way to beat that it to join the crowd, so im going to HAVE to do that. Royr is. Sethlon tried......ect

but over all your right, i am a good player but the only way to prove it is to pick a good char. in melee it wasnt like that.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

i am sorry, tallman

IC are actually hard to use against Falco though... that's why even back when I mained them I went Sheik vs. Falco instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpKM-VNmoI (self explanatory)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDLMOY-sSA (melee1 doesnt even CG that much and still wins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqT022__pek (someone who doesnt main ICs, beats the best falco)

bye

allan. i think if you picked up a high tier, you would enjoy the game more.

umm what else.....hmm if melee was alive (at least 20 man tournies at monthlies), id quit brawl in a second and pick up melee......brawl indeed is getting gayer and gayer

 

[UltimateRazer]

I wasn't around in melee but I have a question. Could pichu hang with top tier?

 

[CO18]

I wasn't around in melee but I have a question. Could pichu hang with top tier?

No and
10shieks

 

[Xyro77]

I wasn't around in melee but I have a question. Could pichu hang with top tier?

Lets put it this way.

Ive seen azen do stuff with pichu that i cant explain.

and

Either timmy or tommy used pichu and he was **** good.

and

Even sethlon had a decent pichu(it wasnt gonna win tournies or anything but it wasnt bad). He even created the pimp walk!!!!!!!!



hell, lets take mewtwo. Mookierah/Taj are THE REASON why mewtwo aint the worst, lol. Evens ethlon had a decent mewtwo( i remember he comboed marth players with d-tilt, lol ********)

oh and i think pichu could CG fox and falco



co18, yea shiek vs pichu pretty much is 100-0

 

[UltimateRazer]

Oh, I thought he just got absolutely *****. Also allan you should try high tier. I would like to see it. Or even mid tier...but in tourney.

 

[Van Jones]

Maybe it was less so in Melee, but after a while, only Marths, Sheiks, Foxs, and Falcos were winner tourneys. Sure, you could do well with Peach, Falcon, and others, but the top tier took over after a while.

Oh yeah, and Jiggly. She is a ***** now.

 

[kailo34ce]

Top tier always wins,and if anybody learned anything from what xyro said they are idiots.

Not cuz he's repeating old news,but becuz its old news.also I hate you all etc.


And tx is a lame state

 

[Xyro77]

Maybe it was less so in Melee, but after a while, only Marths, Sheiks, Foxs, and Falcos were winner tourneys. Sure, you could do well with Peach, Falcon, and others, but the top tier took over after a while.

Oh yeah, and Jiggly. She is a ***** now.

well yea the top tiers will still dominate but falcon/peach/Samus could compete just as ell it just took a little more work.



and razer, i am going to use a higher tier. im using pikachu.


kalo, this is the brawl crowd....some of them dont know.

 

[KRDsonic]

i am sorry, tallman



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxpKM-VNmoI (self explanatory)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDLMOY-sSA (melee1 doesnt even CG that much and still wins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqT022__pek (someone who doesnt main ICs, beats the best falco)

bye

Dude... stop being an idiot, you don't use Ice Climbers so you can't talk as if you know about them. Xyro's arguement about D3 vs. Samus is that D3 is super easy to use to beat Samus with, while Samus actually takes skill.

Saying "Character A, who is one of the hardest characters in the game to use, is good agianst Character B, who is one of the easiest characters in the game to use" had nothing at all to do with Xyro's arguement, all that is is basic counterpicking. I could say the same for Snakes, ROBs, etc. when I'm using IC.

All I said was "Ice Climbers are actually hard to use againts Falco", which is a fact, they're hard to use against anyone because they're hard to use, period. You use a top tier so you can't complain... Until you actually use them for yourself, you can't say "no, they actually are easy to use" without experience.

 

[Hylian]

lol @ people thinking they can play climbers.

And fiction plays climbers and against DEHF all the time.

It's really not an easy match-up for IC's though still heavily in their favor. Sethlons falco gives my IC's hell :/. It just an annoying match-up because falcos supposed to run away the whole time, and IC's are really slow, but falco can't really kill IC's...it's stupid to watch and play.

Edit:

Dude... stop being an idiot, you don't use Ice Climbers so you can't talk as if you know about them.

That's a really stupid thing to say.

 

[Xyro77]

ok guys im off to dreamland. ill talk at you guys at PNT. please play my pika.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

i was just trying to prove ICS vs falco is harder for falco then it is for Ics, aka Ics favor. i thought that was obvious anyways.

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[KRDsonic]

i was just trying to prove ICS vs falco is harder for falco then it is for Ics, aka Ics favor. i thought that was obvious anyways.

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I never said it wasn't. Why are you trying to prove stuff that's already obvious and twist people's words to make it seem like there was an arguement to begin with?

Edit:

Dude... stop being an idiot, you don't use Ice Climbers so you can't talk as if you know about them.

That's a really stupid thing to say.

Sorry, I'll put in the one word that I forgot to type.

"Dude... stop being an idiot, you don't use Ice Climbers so you can't talk as if you know about using them."

 

[KRDsonic]

edit: darn double post, I'm tired x.x

 

[Esca]

Guys, please come to my fest next Tuesday.

 

[CY]

Dude... stop being an idiot, you don't use Ice Climbers so you can't talk as if you know about them. Xyro's arguement about D3 vs. Samus is that D3 is super easy to use to beat Samus with, while Samus actually takes skill.

Saying "Character A, who is one of the hardest characters in the game to use, is good agianst Character B, who is one of the easiest characters in the game to use" had nothing at all to do with Xyro's arguement, all that is is basic counterpicking. I could say the same for Snakes, ROBs, etc. when I'm using IC.

All I said was "Ice Climbers are actually hard to use againts Falco", which is a fact, they're hard to use against anyone because they're hard to use, period. You use a top tier so you can't complain... Until you actually use them for yourself, you can't say "no, they actually are easy to use" without experience.

**** OZZ TAKE YOUR MEDICINE! you just got *****!

also, speaking of ****, me and my boy ESCA who just posted ***** the living **** out of takeurlife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! doubles is just insane, poor him.

also before i left brent's house, i ***** his bathroom when i took a giant **** in his toilet. man, it was pretty **** good.

 

[Vorguen]

Then why is "brawl the future and melee a sunken ship?"


Also, being a defensive game doesnt make it horrible alone. Its just a different style of playing, which involves your mind more, than it involves tech skill.

I strangely agree with this. As much as Melee involved the mind or "mindgames" as well, Brawl is more centered around intelligent play and not overall character mastery. That's why you see random pros beating people with characters that it seems they suck as.

IE Ninja-link using ROB, I lawled at some of his matches, but he still managed to **** them. Why? Idk, he's just DAAMN good at the game even if his ROB isn't as good.

So this game really comes down to what character supports your playstyle the best. Yeah this game is overly defensive, but it takes a kind of patience and focus that Melee didn't. It discourages patterned playstyles and encourages you to find a way to get around your weaknesses (minus maybe metaknight lolol). So yeah, I may be a minority, but I find Brawl to be a lot more fun.


*rant concluded*


<3 :D

 

[Magitek_Knight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar3gHtzx__Y

He ***** himself....WOW.

LMFAO hahahahahaha dear lord......