Houston Thread - No HOBOs and no WHOBOs. What do we do now??????????????????????????????????????????

[UltimateRazer]

Like I said, then there is a huge gap between top 2 and the rest. Trela has only beaten me twice in all time (not counting things like sync sex saloons) and Gnes once. I'm perfect vs Denti. Recent times, I've only lost to Trela once and the rest Keith. There IS a huge gap still.

 

[BioDG]

I've been trying for a year ******s give me another one.

 

[Espy Rose]

I already said that I don't want to win anymore.
So needless to say, I've dealt with it.

 

[Jrugs]

I saw X getting destroyed by Trela along with alot of great players across the U.S. I know he is still not recognized as much as the usuals like M2k,Gnes, Ally but god damn he makes so many matches look easy.
Despite trela only defeating u twice he is still fkn phenomenal to watch, and Im not gonna lie I see he gets a lil bit closer to closing the gap every tourney. If trela not good enough then neither is most the U.S.

 

[KRDsonic]

I've actually been considering switching to either Wario or Snake. Dunno which I'd rather use yet until I go to a smashfest.

 

[UltimateRazer]

No Espy, you didn't deal with it. You left the problem.

Jrugs, your last sentence made no sense.

KRD, good. I say keep your characters you already know as well. They will help you in the long run.

 

[Espy Rose]

There's more than one way to solve a problem, Razer.
Sorry that I didn't choose yours.

 

[UltimateRazer]

You didn't solve the problem. So you didn't deal with it.

 

[Espy Rose]

I got rid of the problem, so I did deal with it.
Different people have different answers to their problems, so this righteousness you're trying to enforce is kinda silly and unneeded.

If you wanna keep talking about the way I should think, then you're more than free to AIM me. I'm done talking about it here.

 

[Player-4]

This salt is unneeded >.>

 

[UltimateRazer]

There's more than one way to solve a problem, Razer.
Sorry that I didn't choose yours.

I got rid of the problem, so I did deal with it.
Different people have different answers to their problems, so this righteousness you're trying to enforce is kinda silly and unneeded.

Getting rid of it is not solving it. I'm not trying to enforce anything. I was backing up a statement made by Dojo that is true. You choose to john and have a horrible attitude and not deal with it.

And if I want to watch our state grow then it IS needed.

 

[Sinister Slush]

 

[Jrugs]

Im not gonna lie snake is indeed broken but I dont think thats the only reason why razer is so high up on the PR. I shouldnt be able to tell if Im watching a Ally video and if Im watching an Ultimate Razer video, like seeing the difference between Jetta and Porsche.

 

[Espy Rose]

The state'll still growl, I'm sure. As long as we have one person dedicated to trying to get top three.

 

[z00ted]

And that person is ME!

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

INUI

 

[Dojo]

Lmao, let it go Timmy.

At this point it's been kind of decided how Texas plays out. You and Keith will always be top 2 until the day you quit. There will always be a huge skill gap because of the mindset of everybody else.

There is potential in quite a few players to hit that plateau but unless they make some obvious changes, it won't happen. And more than likely, it's not going to.

 

[Gea]

Im not gonna lie snake is indeed broken but I dont think thats the only reason why razer is so high up on the PR. I shouldnt be able to tell if Im watching a Ally video and if Im watching an Ultimate Razer video, like seeing the difference between Jetta and Porsche.

It isn't, and no one who says "play a better character, that is why they do so well" is trying to marginalize their skill. There are plenty of mediocre Snake and Diddy players. However Sonic and Peach and Toon Link only get you so far, no matter how amazing of a player you are. And those who do manage to transcend the glass ceiling with their character often stay up there at the top very briefly-- because it is far easier for the better characters to find new strategies than it is for the worse ones to.

If a player really wants to place better, step one really is pick a better character and tough out the transitional growing pains. Or rather, pick a character who consistently has proven their worth in tournament placings.

 

[Espy Rose]

Not with you maining Peach.
Unless you get exponentially better than the top players.

 

[Jrugs]

Lmao, let it go Timmy.

At this point it's been kind of decided how Texas plays out. You and Keith will always be top 2 until the day you quit. There will always be a huge skill gap because of the mindset of everybody else.

There is potential in quite a few players to hit that plateau but unless they make some obvious changes, it won't happen. And more than likely, it's not going to.

F.U.C.K That I'm not Paying money like an idiot to just be that guy who only plays casually @ smash fest and tourneys who always says brawl so unbalanced lets just play melee cuz I couldn't figure out my bad habits (especially not with snake). I intend to beat Gnes, Razer, and Trela @ least once before 2013.

 

[z00ted]

There will always be a huge skill gap because of the mindset of everybody else.

Yeah, just mindset.
That's totally why you guys are top two in Texas.

There is potential in quite a few players to hit that plateau but unless they make some obvious changes, it won't happen.

I wonder what these "obvious changes" could be....

 

[Sinister Slush]

That kirby image reminds me of the time I was hit by U-tilt from behind Snake.

 

[UltimateRazer]

^ That's exactly the mind set he's talking about you ******.

 

[Gea]

How about "stop johning?"

 

[Dojo]

Lmao didn't take long for my point to be proven.

Btw, Ill you are one of the players I am talking about.

 

[Jrugs]

It isn't, and no one who says "play a better character, that is why they do so well" is trying to marginalize their skill. There are plenty of mediocre Snake and Diddy players. However Sonic and Peach and Toon Link only get you so far, no matter how amazing of a player you are. And those who do manage to transcend the glass ceiling with their character often stay up there at the top very briefly-- because it is far easier for the better characters to find new strategies than it is for the worse ones to.

If a player really wants to place better, step one really is pick a better character and tough out the transitional growing pains. Or rather, pick a character who consistently has proven their worth in tournament placings.

Sonic and Peach maybe cuz that seems like a Very narrow road. I mean sonic has like no winning mu's that matter (congrats u beat D.K) but I dont think a new char is just gonna fix everything for Espy or Illmatic. I mean if that were the case then old players like Ice and Db4a would be in S teir by now. Plus Espy and Razer have not played in ever I don't think tier is the culprit here

 

[Espy Rose]

Wow, that's kinda rude, Razer. :<

Gea pretty much summed it up.
Problem is that a lot of players are simply too stubborn to go about that method for whatever reasons. Myself included, obviously.

 

[z00ted]

It's not even a mindset and it's not "johning" it's just facts.

Diddy Kong and Snake are like LEAGUES ahead of Sonic, Peach, Wolf, (whatever the **** is in mid tier).

It's not that we're "giving up" or "crying" (at least, I'm not) - it's just that it's EXTREMELY hard and frustrating to try to find any type of loop hole in a strategy that works against 99.9% of the entire country.

Let alone go into a matchup where you are pretty much destined to lose (Snake).
I practice pretty much every day and get closer to beating Trela and Razer almost every time I play them.

And if you want to try to prove to me that my "mindset" is in the wrong place, then you're wrong because I would have quit this game a long time ago if that was the case.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I'm too stubborn to use A hightier character.
Shall stick with Yoshi.

 

[UltimateRazer]

I have a closer relationship with Illmatic than you know. Relax.

^ There you go. Imo, you don't need to completely drop your current character. Pick up another and dual main them. Use each when needed.

 

[Xyro77]

Illmatic is right and I've said it forever.

Mindset isn't holding people back. It's people using **** characters. It's also people who truly can't get good at brawl. That's al it is.

 

[Xyro77]

Main high/top tier or keep losing. Period.

 

[Jrugs]

not to get on razer's **** but I don't think some salty top teir CP will just beat razer. I mean the he just fkn 2-0ed Rich Brown. Do u really think its JUST SNAKE

 

[Xyro77]

RB has less exp vs snake than razer does with oli. Pretty sure razer has beat every oli but Dabuz.

 

[Zajice]

This is the greatest rodeo show I've ever seen.

 

[Dojo]

Refusing to play a higher character is in your mindset.

'No I want to do well with *insert bad character*'

Illmatic is really great at improving and does have a good competitive mindset, but until he finally decides to let go of Peach he won't ever be a consistent threat against Gnes and Razer. Look at Gnes for example, do you really think he'd be what he is today if he didn't drop Kirby?

 

[Tesh]

Don't Gnes and Razer still win in the Low Tier and Mid Tier events usually?

Sure you have better options with a better character, but you will have to use them intelligently.

 

[Gea]

I dont think a new char is just gonna fix everything for Espy or Illmatic.

Of course it won't automatically mean you start winning, but it is the first big step a player needs to do if they honestly want to start seeing money. Swallow the pride, pick a better character, and go back to the lab. Put in those hours, learn everything, keep your old character for any good pocket MUs and keep them solid, then you can focus way more of your attention on getting better.

Remember, you're playing catch-up to people who already put in the work for a long time and still do.

If you can't give up playing your character when they aren't viable, tough. I pretty quickly came to the realization when I was playing that Peach wouldn't pan out in the end. Too many issues, too many bad MUs. Some Houston players just told me I needed to put in the work and transcend the barrier. Honestly the smarter ones told me to trade up. I decided after fiddling around with this that trading up just wasn't that fun to me, and neither was the game really. I retired and have no johns.

You can still be a respectable player and have fun with the game and even win sets with good players no matter what character you use. But to consistently be a dominant force in the game, you have to submit to reality.

 

[Jrugs]

RB has less exp vs snake than razer does with oli. Pretty sure razer has beat every oli but Dabuz.

Yeah but game 7 against DABUZ c'mon snake is broken but do u really think it's just snake winning all of razer's mu's ask your self.

and gnes sandbags like every smashfest and BN with like most of the roster. Do u really think its just tier?

 

[Player-4]

Me and Razer had a talk about this yesterday, and basically it's everything Dojo just said lol

If you look at any competitive fighting game it always comes down to the top tier characters that win, Street Fighter, MvC, Soul Caliber, etc.

Brawl is no exception

 

[CY]

thought this game died years ago.