Social Hideout of the Phantom Thieves - Joker Social

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Based on where I look, it's mainly Persona fans for obvious reasons. With some evenhaving crazy conspiracy theories like it being connected to P5R, that they'll get a mountain's worth of content, etc.

Oh, so that's what it is.

Evidently, those people (that actually have nothing to do with this place, I presume) never were familiar with the Smash content addition pattern, or speculation scene before. They better not pull a Waluigi once Joker simply gets everything he's been advertised to come with, no more, no less...

For the songs, I'd expect at least 6-10 at most, nothing crazy.

 

[EarlTamm]

Oh, so that's what it is.

Evidently, those people (that actually have nothing to do with this place, I presume) never were familiar with the Smash content addition pattern, or speculation scene before. They better not pull a Waluigi once Joker simply gets everything he'd advertised to come with, no more, no less...

You mean having a couple dozen or so vocal people take things way to far and ruin things for everyone? Because that's pulling a Waluigi.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You mean having a couple dozen or so vocal people take things way to far and ruin things for everyone? Because that's pulling a Waluigi.

That's it, yeah. We could end up in a situation where those type of people make such a stink that it makes outsiders think Persona fans as a whole are spoiled, whiny and entitled. Which is not what you want, for a fanbase whose series was niche until this point.

 

[amageish]

I for one am looking forward to Proof of Justice as a pretty big Akechi fan. Even if you hate Akechi and/or can't stand the people who like him, surely anyone could understand the significance of this particular OVA and how it could impact all of Persona 5's future plot wise. With that, I'll probably leave the subject be until we get a trailer of sorts or some kind of information before it releases with the blu-ray and gets uploaded somewhere on the internet by fans.

Yeah, I am very curious about it... Mostly because the blu-ray is coming out in May, when all of the places one would expect P5-related announcements to occur are before then?

Spoiler: P5 Major Spoilers

So, like, if this is going to reveal Akechi is alive, then wouldn't it be announced earlier (like, reveal he's alive in P5R footage to hype everyone up) or later (don't reveal it until P5R is out)? That doesn't sound like to sort of thing one drops in the special features of volume 11 of an anime blu-ray...

Based on where I look, it's mainly Persona fans for obvious reasons. With some evenhaving crazy conspiracy theories like it being connected to P5R, that they'll get a mountain's worth of content, etc.

I mean, Persona fans are the ones excited for Persona news, yes. But, like, there are plenty of more impatient Smash fans out there who are much more desperate for Smash news, as their dream character(s) have not been confirmed and they will not be happy until they are.

Also, with regard to all the FeMC talk here (which I assume is what you mean by "conspiracy theories"), that's just Persona speculation? There is a finite number of changes an enhanced version of Persona 5 could have and a FeMC is one of those possible changes. I, and others here, would be interested in seeing Kido's take on Persona 5, given how we liked her work on Persona 3 Portable. We've discussed this many times before, including before Joker was confirmed for Smash, with the notion of a FeMC appearing in Smash being more of an afterthought. We're not going to be disappointed if she isn't in Smash, as we're not even certain if she will ever exist all.

And if you think it's unhealthy or inpatient to speculate on what content could be in P5R, then... Like, what was the point in ATLUS giving us a teaser trailer wherein they announced the acronym and nothing else at all? I think they want speculation, as it keeps them in the news.

 

[Sigran101]

People wait for Mewtwo, no one blinks an eye.

People wait for Joker, everyone loses their minds.

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Is this the most accurate assessment of the situation? Because I have no idea who's in the right anymore.

I mean, I just don't know. Is it assumed that everyone is constantly crying out "JOKER, NOW!!!", even though most people here are actually just concerned about whether their characters get in (rather than any silly release date that's most certainly going to be next month)? Someone please explain this to me in a clear, rational, unbiased manner, I am not sure I understand here.

I don't know how much influence ATLUS has with him. I don't know whether characters are being worked on simultaneously or not. I don't know if there's enough time to release all five characters in a pattern of five months per character by Feb. 2020. That's all.

The only thing I get is that Joker is that huge stonewall that's considered by some fans to be a symbol of what the fighter pass will be comprised of.

No one I've seen is saying that. Persona fans are wondering if Joker's reveal was put off for some reason since Pirahna Plant was revealed with gameplay 2 months before release, and we are now about 1 month from Joker and we have no gameplay. Aeon is the only one crying about entitlement and impatience for some reason.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

No one I've seen is saying that. Persona fans are wondering if Joker's reveal was put off for some reason since Pirahna Plant was revealed with gameplay 2 months before release, and we are now about 1 month from Joker and we have no gameplay. Aeon is the only one crying about entitlement and impatience for some reason.

Yeah...I'm not even sure how criticizing the silent majority will help anything, when that should be directed towards the vocal minority instead.

I mean, I'm pretty sure we're allowed to have theories as to why there is silence, right? That's pretty harmless, if you ask me.

Compare this to those waiting for Dark Horse's ARMS comic to come out since last year or so, who surely have more reason to complain, since it's the second time it didn't reach its release date: https://armswiki.org/wiki/ARMS_(graphic_novel)

 

[Sigran101]

Yeah...I'm not even sure how criticizing the silent majority will help anything, when that should be directed towards the vocal minority instead.

I mean, I'm pretty sure we're allowed to have theories as to why there is silence, right? That's pretty harmless, if you ask me.

Compare this to those waiting for Dark Horse's ARMS comic to come out since last year or so, who surely have more reason to complain, since it's the second time it didn't reach its release date: https://armswiki.org/wiki/ARMS_(graphic_novel)

The thing is, I'm sure there are people somewhere acting like that. But we aren't. I've been here since page 3. I've visited every day since before November. I've read every single post. Literally not one single comment has been ungrateful or entitled. We're just speculating like every other thread. And people are saying the same thing on other threads. People who have never played Persona on the square enix thread are talking about the exact same theories.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The thing is, I'm sure there are people somewhere acting like that. But we aren't. I've been here since page 3. I've visited every day since before November. I've read every single post. Literally not one single comment has been ungrateful or entitled. We're just speculating like every other thread. And people are saying the same thing on other threads. People who have never played Persona on the square enix thread are talking about the exact same theories.

Exactly. I mean why this thread and not any of the other ones? This is such a double-standard, it's crazy.

I mean, would the second DLC character thread also get called out for simply waiting for their character to get released?

 

[EarlTamm]

The thing is, I'm sure there are people somewhere acting like that. But we aren't. I've been here since page 3. I've visited every day since before November. I've read every single post. Literally not one single comment has been ungrateful or entitled. We're just speculating like every other thread. And people are saying the same thing on other threads. People who have never played Persona on the square enix thread are talking about the exact same theories.

I recall a ton of threads discussing the possibility of a FeMC when that code came to light, most notably the Geno and Square thread from my perspective at least.

 

[amageish]

Yeah... Speculation is kind of a defining part of online fandoms haha. It's not just happening here.

Random Question: If we do get a FeMC, then what do we think her fanon name would be, assuming he never appears in media that would give her a canon one?

The obvious option would be Rin Amamiya to parallel Ren's canon name, but also that just makes me think of Katawa Shoujo... and Fate... and Catherine... and like 27 other things...

 

[EarlTamm]

Yeah... Speculation is kind of a defining part of online fandoms haha. It's not just happening here.

Random Question: If we do get a FeMC, then what do we think her fanon name would be, assuming he never appears in media that would give her a canon one?

The obvious option would be Rin Amamiya to parallel Ren's canon name, but also that just makes me think of Katawa Shoujo... and Fate... and Catherine... and like 27 other things...

Speculation is kinda the whole point of these threads after all. As a early member of both the Geno and Shantae thread, I know this very well. Especially with the Shantae thread.

My bet is that it will start with an R. Besides that I got nothing.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Speculation is kinda the whole point of these threads after all. As a early member of both the Geno and Shantae thread, I know this very well. Especially with the Shantae thread.

My bet is that it will start with an R. Besides that I got nothing.

I mean, if we follow Aeon's logic, the only way to avoid "complaints" is to stop posting anything on the thread at all until the character releases. This thread's lucky to have healthy talks, 's basically falls asleep on and off.

Also, technically, J's name in the manga is Akira Kurusu, so I'm not sure if they'd drop the ambiguity.

 

[EarlTamm]

I mean, if we follow Aeon's logic, the only way to avoid "complaints" is to stop posting anything on the thread at all until the character releases. This thread's lucky to have healthy talks, 's basically falls asleep on and off.

Also, technically, J's name in the manga is Akira Kurusu, so I'm not sure if they'd drop the ambiguity.

I wouldn't know with those other social threads. This is pretty much the only social thread I go on.

Joker's true name is very confusing. Have we ever gotten true conformation as to what it is?

 

[Sigran101]

I mean, if we follow Aeon's logic, the only way to avoid "complaints" is to stop posting anything on the thread at all until the character releases. This thread's lucky to have healthy talks, 's basically falls asleep on and off.

Also, technically, J's name in the manga is Akira Kurusu, so I'm not sure if they'd drop the ambiguity.

That reminds me, we're gonna be getting a Joker stock icon. I'm looking forward to that.

EarlTamm P5 dancing calls him Ren. As far as I'm concerned that makes it official.

 

[amageish]

Also, technically, J's name in the manga is Akira Kurusu, so I'm not sure if they'd drop the ambiguity.

True, though the anime name is canon to the games given how it's used in Dancing in Starlight (which is canon, even if many people would not like it to be). Just like how Yu and Makoto use their names from the anime instead of the manga or the musicals.

 

[Black Link521]

I don't recall this being brought up, so I think I'll speak on it. Regarding Joker's moveset, range is a rather important factor along with how Personas would work. So I have a question, what size do you think the Dev team will allow the Personas, or at least Arsene, to be because in Persona 5 Arsene is about the same width as Joker but he's fairly taller, but in the anime adaptations Arsene is gigantic. So how much do you think the size of Personas in Smash will effect the overall range and I guess frame data of their attacks, while on the same note, do you think opponents will be able to harm your Personas and it inflicts damage on you with no knock back or do you think one could potentially be used to protect Joker from attacks?

 

[Sigran101]

I don't recall this being brought up, so I think I'll speak on it. Regarding Joker's moveset, range is a rather important factor along with how Personas would work. So I have a question, what size do you think the Dev team will allow the Personas, or at least Arsene, to be because in Persona 5 Arsene is about the same width as Joker but he's fairly taller, but in the anime adaptations Arsene is gigantic. So how much do you think the size of Personas in Smash will effect the overall range and I guess frame data of their attacks, while on the same note, do you think opponents will be able to harm your Personas and it inflicts damage on you with no knock back or do you think one could potentially be used to protect Joker from attacks?

I think personas won't be able to be harmed. I think they'll function kind of like a sword. As in they come out for attacks and act as a disjoint. For magic attacks I think they'll just be asthetic.

 

[EarlTamm]

However the Persona's will work, one thing is for certain.

There will be even more JoJo memes in the Smash community.

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In all seriousness, I do wonder if we could look at the Arena games as a possible example of what could be done for Persona use. I have not seen those games mentioned here much.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

However the Persona's will work, one thing is for certain.

There will be even more JoJo memes in the Smash community.

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In all seriousness, I do wonder if we could look at the Arena games as a possible example of what could be done for Persona use. I have not seen those games mentioned here much.

If Ren's name gets more widespread, there better be at least one Ren & Stimpy joke done out there somewhere.

 

[EarlTamm]

If Ren's name gets more widespread, there better be at least one Ren & Stimpy joke done out there somewhere.

I have something similar, except it has to do with a RWBY character named Ren. Funny, one thing that Ren is known for is making pancakes.

 

[amageish]

However the Persona's will work, one thing is for certain.

There will be even more JoJo memes in the Smash community.

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In all seriousness, I do wonder if we could look at the Arena games as a possible example of what could be done for Persona use. I have not seen those games mentioned here much.

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if they had a Persona Break mechanic borrowed from Arena, so hitting the personas won't damage Joker but will allow you to disable his persona for a while? Margaret also provides an example of how to balance multiple personas at once.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if they had a Persona Break mechanic borrowed from Arena, so hitting the personas won't damage Joker but will allow you to disable his persona for a while? Margaret also provides an example of how to balance multiple personas at once.

I am not the most familiar with the Arena games, so that is good to hear.

 

[Aeon_Shadow]

I guess it's the people I see online then, and where I look. There are some people who have already been asking fervently why is Joker not out yet, and have speculated some unrealistic expectations. I mean bad enough some reacted fairly badly when the data mine supposedly spoiled Joker's stage as Mementos as opposed to the Casino of Envy, but there's also the part about him (and other DLC characters) not having a Palutena's guidance.

 

[C-G]

I'm guessing Arsene will function like Palutena's Wings, where they're 'there' but not really a part of the character and are technically a disjoint. Or like Zelda Phantom cept he can't be hit.

 

[EarlTamm]

So I have a question for all of you because I am curious, what characters do you support getting into Smash? I am curious to see how close or different this threads taste is when it comes to that.

 

[Sigran101]

I guess it's the people I see online then, and where I look. There are some people who have already been asking fervently why is Joker not out yet, and have speculated some unrealistic expectations. I mean bad enough some reacted fairly badly when the data mine supposedly spoiled Joker's stage as Mementos as opposed to the Casino of Envy, but there's also the part about him (and other DLC characters) not having a Palutena's guidance.

No one is doing that here though. I think it's pretty clear at this point that no one here wants to listen to you complain about it anymore. I for one like what you have to say when it's not about that. Why don't you just keep the complaining on the sites where the behavior that's bothering you is happening and let this place just stay positive for all of us?

 

[amageish]

I'm guessing Arsene will function like Palutena's Wings, where they're 'there' but not really a part of the character and are technically a disjoint. Or like Zelda Phantom cept he can't be hit.

It all really depends on how they want to balance the character... I could see either an SP system or a Persona Break system if the persona moves are especially strong, but otherwise what you're suggesting.

So I have a question for all of you because I am curious, what characters do you support getting into Smash? I am curious to see how close or different this threads taste is when it comes to that.

Interesting question! As my avatar implies, my main support has been for Professor Layton (though I don't think I've ever posted in his thread) and literally any ATLUS character (the background of my avatar is actually from Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, so I do mean literally anyone). With Joker's inclusion, I am pretty much satisfied for the rest of Smash Ultimate's lifespan, but I would still be into Phoenix Wright, any Valkyria Chronicles character, or any Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons/Rune Factory/Stardew Valley/etc farmer-type character.

That said, I also generally am happy with whatever we get, as long as they do something mildly interesting.

 

[EarlTamm]

Interesting question! As my avatar implies, my main support has been for Professor Layton (though I don't think I've ever posted in his thread) and literally any ATLUS character (the background of my avatar is actually from Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, so I do mean literally anyone). With Joker's inclusion, I am pretty much satisfied for the rest of Smash Ultimate's lifespan, but I would still be into Phoenix Wright, any Valkyria Chronicles character, or any Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons/Rune Factory/Stardew Valley/etc farmer-type character.

That said, I also generally am happy with whatever we get, as long as they do something mildly interesting.

Cool! Layton would certainly be an interesting character and would be a great puzzle game rep. I have certainly given my support to many a newcomer thread, but some of my top characters are Geno, Shantae, Ashley(Who got AT'ed) and Doomguy. The roster that we do have as of now is amazing though, it's just that those characters would just be the cherry on top for me. And there is certainly no character that I would outright hate getting in.

 

[Aeon_Shadow]

No one is doing that here though. I think it's pretty clear at this point that no one here wants to listen to you complain about it anymore. I for one like what you have to say when it's not about that. Why don't you just keep the complaining on the sites where the behavior that's bothering you is happening and let this place just stay positive for all of us?

Yeah you are probably right, guess I was just blowing off steam at the wrong place. Sorry everyone.

 

[Flyboy]

So I have a question for all of you because I am curious, what characters do you support getting into Smash? I am curious to see how close or different this threads taste is when it comes to that.

Well, my number one want was Joker...

I have pretty wild tastes. I try to support more out-there picks so I'm pleasantly surprised when they're in and not let down if they aren't. My current top five most-wanted with Joker off the table are Travis Touchdown, Phoenix Wright, 2B, a Style Savvy rep, and Scrooge McDuck Elma. I also support everyone in my signature (Marina Liteyears is my nostalgia pick I've wanted since Smash 64 so she's basically my number 0) and plenty others I think would be cool like Anna from Fire Emblem, Ryota Hayami, a Dragon Quest rep, a Resident Evil rep, Viewtiful Joe, Lloyd Irving, and so on.

 

[C-G]

I'm really hoping against having a 'system' for Arsene. There will be other characters who will need something like that to make them viable combatants, and more systems makes the game more complicated.

 

[osby]

I'm really hoping against having a 'system' for Arsene. There will be other characters who will need something like that to make them viable combatants, and more systems makes the game more complicated.

What do you mean by system?

 

[Roguewolf]

I'm guessing he means sp mechanics? And if so I tend to agree sp would make him a little to robiny. Robinish?

 

[Flyboy]

Yeah, I personally don't want anything like an SP meter or menu system for Joker and would prefer he controlled more traditionally. I'm sure he'd be great no matter what and I do gotta admit I've been getting really into Robin lately so it's all good.

 

[osby]

Giving Joker a SP mechanic is unnecessary, all RPGs have it, and it' not like it matters as much as durability or Limit. And as people said, it would be awfully derivative of Robin.

Though I wouldn't object him having a mechanic unique to him.

 

[Flyboy]

Giving Joker a SP mechanic is unnecessary, all RPGs have it, and it' not like it matters as much as durability or Limit. And as people said, it would be awfully derivative of Robin.

Though I wouldn't object him having a mechanic unique to him.

If they do give him a unique mechanic-

I was gonna say "just do Persona 4 Arena-style controls for the Persona" but I guess that's like Rosalina and Luma, huh? I could see a Persona switching move, maybe?

 

[C-G]

Yes I was talking about a system like Robin's gear, Shulk's Arts, or Inkling Ink..

 

[Sigran101]

Yeah you are probably right, guess I was just blowing off steam at the wrong place. Sorry everyone.

No problem Sorry if I came off too agressive.

 

[EarlTamm]

Question, do you think Persona moves would be stronger than your average attacks? I imagine if you are going to put in SP or break mechanics for your Persona, it would need to be balanced out with Persona's being pretty strong otherwise.

Also, here is some Persona 5 X Xenoblade 2 art I found.

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[Sigran101]

I don't want a walking gimmick for no reason. Joker doesn't need an SP mechanic. That's like the most common thing in Joker movesets and I don't understand it. Out of all RPG characters in smash, why in the hell would Joker be the one to have that? You know what his gimmick should be if he has one? ****ing Personas. You know, the main way he fights? The thing the series is named after? Why not use that instead of ****ing SP?