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Social Hideout of the Phantom Thieves - Joker Social

Best girl?

  • Sae

    Votes: 9 3.3%

  • Futaba

    Votes: 91 33.7%

  • Ann

    Votes: 26 9.6%

  • Haru

    Votes: 32 11.9%

  • Kawakami

    Votes: 14 5.2%

  • Takemi

    Votes: 14 5.2%

  • Ohya

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Chiyaya

    Votes: 4 1.5%

  • Hifumi

    Votes: 14 5.2%

  • Makoto

    Votes: 65 24.1%
  • Total voters
    270
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EarlTamm said:
The latest topics that have been discussed was the whole Full Body controversy and a ton of Fire Emblem.
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Oh yeah speaking of the latter, I kinda wanted to share my thoughts.
It turns ending exists and was translated fully, but it wasn’t exactly in the context that I expected it to be...
I wanted to make a public statement about it on Twitter but people seemed too upset about it to be reasoned with, but after looking into it nothing regarding Erica appears to be blatantly transphobic, my personal take is that either this is a continuity ****up on one of the writer’s or animator’s behalf or something along the lines of the butterfly effect (Where time travel can affect even the smallest of things) but nothing about it came across to me personally as blatantly transphobic considering none of the characters even mention it directly, to me it seems like it was all initially taken out-of-context on the original ResetEra thread it was taken from.

But that’s my personal take on the whole matter, you all have likely talked about it quite a bit so I’ll just leave it there, if you feel a different way feel free to PM me but I kinda just wanted to clear the air about how I felt.
 
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Can I just say that the only good things to come out of The Answer were Metis and Mitsukari?
 
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Two things:
  1. We totally forgot to celebrate Futaba's birthday yesterday.
  2. While it does not reveal any new info, We have gotten this today.
 
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EarlTamm said:
Two things:
  1. We totally forgot to celebrate Futaba's birthday yesterday.
  2. While it does not reveal any new info, We have gotten this today.
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Oops. Happy belated Birthday Futaba! [Edit: Or happy birthday Futaba!]

Well, that sure was... a trailer-ish. I feel a bit excited purely because Joker being in Smash is still mind-boggling to me, but also more information would have been cool... I wonder how long they'll make us "stay tuned"...
 
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It's weird how much they're drawing this out. I'd say I wish they didn't show Joker so early... but then I wouldn't have played Persona 5 and gotten excited about Joker... the power of cross-marketing synergy.

I'm just gonna assume we won't hear anything until April.
 
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「Hinata」 said:
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Futaba's birthday is today.
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My mistake, the original tweet that announced this was on the 18th for me. Timezones confuse me. So, I guess today's schedule is looking through all the Futaba fan art that is being made.
 
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StormC said:
It's weird how much they're drawing this out. I'd say I wish they didn't show Joker so early... but then I wouldn't have played Persona 5 and gotten excited about Joker... the power of cross-marketing synergy.

I'm just gonna assume we won't hear anything until April.
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I'm willin' to bet we're gonna get another Smash focused Direct late March/early April talking about Version 3.0, considering they clearly have more stuff to announce about it than just Joker.
 
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Mellowy Yellow said:
You forgot to mention the sudden discussion of having children in an rpg that showed up earlier today
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That was tying into the whole queer talk, to be fair. Besides, barely anyone cares about things being off-topic right now. :drshrug:

StormC said:
It's weird how much they're drawing this out. I'd say I wish they didn't show Joker so early... but then I wouldn't have played Persona 5 and gotten excited about Joker... the power of cross-marketing synergy.

I'm just gonna assume we won't hear anything until April.
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Yeah, people think a reveal will happen at the GDC, but I strongly doubt that'll be the case. It's ironic how people cried out on how the staff blew its load for the initial roster reveals, yet when the opposite happens, they want them to hurry up. It's a real Three Bears situation.

「Hinata」 said:
I'm willin' to bet we're gonna get another Smash focused Direct late March/early April talking about Version 3.0, considering they clearly have more stuff to announce about it than just Joker.
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That seems a little more plausible. They did say that Joker would be released "by the end of April", so I suppose we might get an advance report/release like for PP.
 
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I knew it was Futaba’s birthday! :p

Although gotta say that video newly gave me a heart attack...
 
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NintenZ said:
I knew it was Futaba’s birthday! :p

Although gotta say that video newly gave me a heart attack...
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Sorry if I got people's hopes up with that tweet.

Anyway...
There was a problem fetching the tweet
 
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「Hinata」 said:
I'm willin' to bet we're gonna get another Smash focused Direct late March/early April talking about Version 3.0, considering they clearly have more stuff to announce about it than just Joker.
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Pretty much. I think we'll get a Smash Mini-Direct in April, with the following:

-Joker trailer and showcase
-Mii costumes
-Stage Builder
-Other various new modes/tweaks
-Fighter 2 trailer and showcase

Then it will end with everything besides Fighter 2 being "available now!" with Fighter 2 being a June release.
 
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I'm doing a Persona/MegaTen panel at a convention this weekend, so I've been doing a NG+ of P5. I recall liking this game, but forgot it was this good haha.

StormC said:
Pretty much. I think we'll get a Smash Mini-Direct in April, with the following:

-Joker trailer and showcase
-Mii costumes
-Stage Builder
-Other various new modes/tweaks
-Fighter 2 trailer and showcase

Then it will end with everything besides Fighter 2 being "available now!" with Fighter 2 being a June release.
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Sounds pretty likely. They do love shadowdropping characters.
 
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Not to bring up an old topic, but apparently Hashino isn't actually the director of Catherine Full Body. He's the producer. So he didn't have anything to do with making the game. He was just in charge of making sure it got done.
 
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Sigran101 said:
Not to bring up an old topic, but apparently Hashino isn't actually the director of Catherine Full Body. He's the producer. So he didn't have anything to do with making the game. He was just in charge of making sure it got done.
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Yeah like I said, I think people really jumped the gun on the whole situation, I personally see it as a learning experience for them tbh.
 
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Sigran101 said:
Not to bring up an old topic, but apparently Hashino isn't actually the director of Catherine Full Body. He's the producer. So he didn't have anything to do with making the game. He was just in charge of making sure it got done.
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Weird, as he's been promoting it more then Kazuhisa Wada has been interview-wise... I guess Wada has to vaguely tease P5R though, plus Hashino definitely more of a figurehead.

not like it really makes Hashino any better of a person, but good to know he wasn't super involved in these bad decision
 
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NintenZ said:
Yeah like I said, I think people really jumped the gun on the whole situation, I personally see it as a learning experience for them tbh.
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Yeah, a real trial by fire right there. "Let's put a trans person in the game, while having no idea how to treat/portray them properly and possibly offend a subset of people, what can possibly go wrong?".

No offense, but it's almost akin to a child having to hurt themselves before realising they ain't supposed to touch something harmful. :ohwell:
 
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KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Yeah, a real trial by fire right there. "Let's put a trans person in the game, while having no idea how to treat/portray them properly and possibly offend a subset of people, what can possibly go wrong?".

No offense, but it's almost akin to a child having to hurt themselves before realising they ain't supposed to touch something harmful. :ohwell:
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Let’s not have this discussion here, I already explained what I meant above in a separate post and said if you wanted to respond then PM’ing would be a better thing to do.

There’s a lot about this situation that wasn’t really clear-cut and taken out of context, which is why I wasn’t too keen on bringing up to begin with, but felt it’d be good just to clear the air about, which is why I mentioned it to begin with.
 
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NintenZ said:
Let’s not have this discussion here, I already explained what I meant above in a separate post and said if you wanted to respond then PM’ing would be a better thing to do.

There’s a lot about this situation that wasn’t really clear-cut and taken out of context, which is why I wasn’t too keen on bringing up to begin with, but felt it’d be good just to clear the air about, which is why I mentioned it to begin with.
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Alright, mum's the word on that then. That aside…

StormC said:
Pretty much. I think we'll get a Smash Mini-Direct in April, with the following:

-Joker trailer and showcase
-Mii costumes
-Stage Builder
-Other various new modes/tweaks
-Fighter 2 trailer and showcase

Then it will end with everything besides Fighter 2 being "available now!" with Fighter 2 being a June release.
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This seems likely, since I kinda doubt the Digimon anniversary event and the GDC will have anything happen.
 
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amageish said:
Weird, as he's been promoting it more then Kazuhisa Wada has been interview-wise... I guess Wada has to vaguely tease P5R though, plus Hashino definitely more of a figurehead.

not like it really makes Hashino any better of a person, but good to know he wasn't super involved in these bad decision
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Did he do something else? Because all the accusations I've heard have been based on the full body contraversy.
 
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Did he do something else? Because all the accusations I've heard have been based on the full body contraversy.
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He's just said some weird stuff in the past indicating that he either (i) doesn't think of or (ii) doesn't think highly of LGBTQ+ people - ex/ the original P3 made all the female social links romantic as he didn't believe men and women could actually form platonic friendships, in spite of not all men being attracted to all women and vice versa...

Hence why people were willing to believe the Full Body controversy was all because of him, as it's not like it would be uncharacteristic...
 
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amageish said:
He's just said some weird stuff in the past indicating that he either (i) doesn't think of or (ii) doesn't think highly of LGBTQ+ people - ex/ the original P3 made all the female social links romantic as he didn't believe men and women could actually form platonic friendships, in spite of not all men being attracted to all women and vice versa...

Hence why people were willing to believe the Full Body controversy was all because of him, as it's not like it would be uncharacteristic...
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I mean the P3 thing sounds silly. That's like saying the people at Bethesda think there's no such thing as someone who's not bisexual because of Skyrim and Fallout. And comments can be misinterpreted, especially in translation. What did he supposedly say?
 
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amageish said:
He's just said some weird stuff in the past indicating that he either (i) doesn't think of or (ii) doesn't think highly of LGBTQ+ people - ex/ the original P3 made all the female social links romantic as he didn't believe men and women could actually form platonic friendships, in spite of not all men being attracted to all women and vice versa...

Hence why people were willing to believe the Full Body controversy was all because of him, as it's not like it would be uncharacteristic...
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I also wonder if he had something to do with the Yosuke romance option being trashed when it was thoroughly planned to happen. Though then again, why would he let it get as far as it did if he would be against the idea? It's clear it got a good ways into development if there was English voice lines for it and you can clearly still see hints of the romantic route format for Yosuke's social link, so I don't know what to think about that.

Anyway, I just hope that all of this stuff gets sorted out for the better.
 
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Sigran101 said:
I mean the P3 thing sounds silly. That's like saying the people at Bethesda think there's no such thing as someone who's not bisexual because of Skyrim and Fallout. And comments can be misinterpreted, especially in translation. What did he supposedly say?
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The translation is official and in the art book, but going to the source myself it seems it has been exaggerated through the grapeline. His comments are as follows:

Interviewer: Come to think of it, you can only can form that kind of friendship with social links of the same gender. Does that mean true friendships between people of the opposite gender don't exist?
Hashino: I've never successfully forged a true friendship with a girl in real life.
Soejima: Neither have I.
Hashino: I guess that means we couldn't implement in the game because we don't know what it is like. (laughs)
Soejima: Now that I'm in my thirties, I'm more open to the idea that it is possible though. Back in high school, I admit I couldn't look at girls that way.
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I also wonder if he had something to do with the Yosuke romance option being trashed when it was thoroughly planned to happen. Though then again, why would he let it get as far as it did if he would be against the idea? It's clear it got a good ways into development if there was English voice lines for it and you can clearly still see hints of the romantic route format for Yosuke's social link, so I don't know what to think about that.

Anyway, I just hope that all of this stuff gets sorted out for the better.
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Yeah, that is very weird. I really don't know what to think about that one... I'm sure there was some reason for scrapping it, but no idea...

Either way, I agree and hope that ATLUS can find a way to put this behind them and do better in the future.
 
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amageish said:
The translation is official and in the art book, but going to the source myself it seems it has been exaggerated through the grapeline. His comments are as follows:






Yeah, that is very weird. I really don't know what to think about that one... I'm sure there was some reason for scrapping it, but no idea...

Either way, I agree and hope that ATLUS can find a way to put this behind them and do better in the future.
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It sounds like he has never had a platonic friendship with a girl, so he chose not to try and write a story about one since he didn't know how. Seems pretty innocent to me.
 
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KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
So, if I understand correctly, Hoshino is a virgin that doesn't have much relationship experience.

Well, that's definitely a more sensible explanation.
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Nah, he's married. What he refers to is male-female friendships are generally a novel concept in Japan and probably wasn't a big thing when he was young.

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I also wonder if he had something to do with the Yosuke romance option being trashed when it was thoroughly planned to happen. Though then again, why would he let it get as far as it did if he would be against the idea? It's clear it got a good ways into development if there was English voice lines for it and you can clearly still see hints of the romantic route format for Yosuke's social link, so I don't know what to think about that.

Anyway, I just hope that all of this stuff gets sorted out for the better.
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Yosuke's route isn't the only cut romance in Persona. In Portable, Junpei also had one with female protag but they cut it.

Both characters have a deceased love interest, so I imagine that's the main issue.
 
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osby said:
Yosuke's route isn't the only cut romance in Persona. In Portable, Junpei also had one with female protag but they cut it.

Both characters have a deceased love interest, so I imagine that's the main issue.
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I guess that makes sense, though I don't think it's as much of a problem in Yosuke's case since it happens before you even enter a dungeon. With Jumpei it's a much more prominent recurring thing throughout the game(At least from what I understand of P3).
 
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EarlTamm said:
I guess that makes sense, though I don't think it's as much of a problem in Yosuke's case since it happens before you even enter a dungeon. With Jumpei it's a much more prominent recurring thing throughout the game(At least from what I understand of P3).
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True, but Yosuke's Social Link also keeps drawing parallels between you and Saki until the end. I think a romance route would make you play the role of a replacement goldfish.
 
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