Social Hideout of the Phantom Thieves - Joker Social

[EarlTamm]

Hey, has anyone else noticed that Marx totally fits the Jester + Hunger arcana to a tee? I mean, several other Nintendo characters can fit one or the other, but very few can fit both like how P4 originally did it.

 

[amageish]

Hey, has anyone else noticed that Marx totally fits the Jester + Hunger arcana to a tee? I mean, several other Nintendo characters can fit one or the other, but very few can fit both like how P4 originally did it.

I feel like Kirby villains fit it rather well.

Spoiler: Return to Dream Land Spoilers

Magalor fits it very well too, especially considering how he abuses his friends (as per the Jester) before trying to take over (as per Hunger).

 

[EarlTamm]

I feel like Kirby villains fit it rather well.

Spoiler: Return to Dream Land Spoilers

Magalor fits it very well too, especially considering how he abuses his friends (as per the Jester) before trying to take over (as per Hunger).

True, but I feel like Marx fits it particularly well, comparatively speaking.

Spoiler

Magalor also did a heel-face turn, kinda going against that hunger aracan. Meanwhile, Marx is still considered evil(Or at least morally questionable), only ever teaming up in Star Allies to take down the bigger bad.

 

[FamicomDisk]

I wonder when can we expect to see Joker's gameplay as well as its character render?

I think it's safe to say it'll be during the next Nintendo Direct! I'm going to guess the next one will happen in January or February, because there's been at least one Direct in January or February every year since 2012.

I'm think he'll probably get added to the website's fighter list after that too, since Piranha Plant is up there - I guess the only reason Joker's not on the list yet is because he hasn't been shown off in-game yet. Maybe they'll also change the "Challenger Pack 1" on the eShop to have his picture and information when they do that?

 

[StormC]

I wonder when can we expect to see Joker's gameplay as well as its character render?

I don't expect it until March at the earliest. I think they would have shown a model if he was ready to have a trailer soon.

 

[Sigran101]

I see we agreed on several things, though I did not think to add in the Aeon and Hunger arcana. I will say this about Ridley though, I don't think making a link with him would be possible.

Ridley is actually hyper intelligent and perfectly capable of speech and relationships.

Spoiler: Persona 4 Spoilers

And he honestly isn't much worse than Adachi.

 

[EarlTamm]

Ridley is actually hyper intelligent and perfectly capable of speech and relationships.

Spoiler: Persona 4 Spoilers

And he honestly isn't much worse than Adachi.

I know that, he's just not the type to even initiate anything resembling friendy conversation.

Spoiler

The only reason you could get a link with Adachi is because he put up an act and thus allowed for friendly interaction and the possibility of you forging a bond with him. Once the story got going to the conclusion of the mystery, the interaction became apart of the story. And even then you had to initiate it again by going into the TV alone. Ridley does not beat around the bush when it comes to his murderous goals, and he would never give anyone the opportunity to get close to him emotionally.

 

[Sigran101]

I know that, he's just not the type to even initiate anything resembling friendy conversation.

Spoiler

The only reason you could get a link with Adachi is because he put up an act and thus allowed for friendly interaction and the possibility of you forging a bond with him. Once the story got going to the conclusion of the mystery, the interaction became apart of the story. And even then you had to initiate it again by going into the TV alone. Ridley does not beat around the bush when it comes to his murderous goals, and he would never give anyone the opportunity to get close to him emotionally.

Spoiler

But you can keep the social link going once you know he's a murderer and even abandon your friends to join him, so I don't think Ridley would be a problem.

Plus my headcannon is all the smash characters living in one big house so they're forced to interact. I could totally imagine Ridley having some shady jobs for Joker like Iwai to start the link.

 

[EarlTamm]

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But you can keep the social link going once you know he's a murderer and even abandon your friends to join him, so I don't think Ridley would be a problem.

Plus my headcannon is all the smash characters living in one big house so they're forced to interact. I could totally imagine Ridley having some shady jobs for Joker like Iwai to start the link.

Spoiler

It's not that you can continue a bond with an evil person, it's the problem of initiating it. Adachi's social link only ever started on a foundation of lies that eventually gained a sliver of truth, be that trough the betrayal of your party or Adachi's realization of the bond you managed to make with him. In contrast, Ridley is very honest about his intentions and personality. That honesty would be a huge social hurdle, to say the least.

How big of a house would you need to fit that many people? I almost think you would need an entire town.

 

[NintenZ]

So guys we have a potential leak here:

https://personacentral.com/rumor-pe...plete-edition-2019-super-smash-ultimate-leak/

Honestly if this is real it would be fantastic and really seal Persona representation for me in the game.

 

[Flyboy]

So guys we have a potential leak here:

https://personacentral.com/rumor-pe...plete-edition-2019-super-smash-ultimate-leak/

Honestly if this is real it would be fantastic and really seal Persona representation for me in the game.

This all sounds awesome. My only quibble is that I'm pretty sure we did know about the Granblue fighting game beforehand, so that casts some doubt there. However, with it also being a 2ch leak that also means it's a more potentially plausible source. Very interesting stuff.

Does "appears with a skill" mean as part of a move or assist trophy or stage hazards? Fascinating. Either way all of these for both Joker and the other stuff sounds great.

 

[Sigran101]

Spoiler

It's not that you can continue a bond with an evil person, it's the problem of initiating it. Adachi's social link only ever started on a foundation of lies that eventually gained a sliver of truth, be that trough the betrayal of your party or Adachi's realization of the bond you managed to make with him. In contrast, Ridley is very honest about his intentions and personality. That honesty would be a huge social hurdle, to say the least.

How big of a house would you need to fit that many people? I almost think you would need an entire town.

That makes sense. I agree. And it would be a giant mansion.

 

[FamicomDisk]

So guys we have a potential leak here:

https://personacentral.com/rumor-pe...plete-edition-2019-super-smash-ultimate-leak/

Honestly if this is real it would be fantastic and really seal Persona representation for me in the game.

While these would all be cool announcements, and an enhanced version of P5 does make sense, it seems odd to me that after how much of a secret Joker's Smash inclusion was, people would have info on the rest of his DLC content so soon. He didn't even get leaked once before his announcement, right? It seems a bit strange that someone would have all this info just 4 days after his announcement.

Flyboy , do you maybe remember where you saw the Granblue fighting game announcement before this announcement?

 

[Sigran101]

So guys we have a potential leak here:

https://personacentral.com/rumor-pe...plete-edition-2019-super-smash-ultimate-leak/

Honestly if this is real it would be fantastic and really seal Persona representation for me in the game.

I hope it's fake. Mementos would be a pretty boring stage. I really want it to be Nijima's Casino.

 

[Flyboy]

While these would all be cool announcements, and an enhanced version of P5 does make sense, it seems odd to me that after how much of a secret Joker's Smash inclusion was, people would have info on the rest of his DLC content so soon. He didn't even get leaked once before his announcement, right? It seems a bit strange that someone would have all this info just 4 days after his announcement.

Flyboy , do you maybe remember where you saw the Granblue fighting game announcement before this announcement?

During the Katalina special, back when Hitagi first mentioned her and the general thread was going in full meltdown mode as it does, some people were arguing for her inclusion by talking about the Platinum game that's out soon as well as "rumors of an ArcSys fighting game". I guess the benefit with that is that it won't be hard to use the forum search function on that thread to find out if in just imagining it but I'm pretty sure it was a rumor someone knew. I never really paid it any mind until now.

I hope it's fake. Mementos would be a pretty boring stage. I really want it to be Nijima's Casino.

I want it too but Mementos as a train station that morphs into the prison from the end of the game, maybe with some stops in palaces elsewhere? Could be cool. Especially if it has a title screen section.

 

[EarlTamm]

I hope it's fake. Mementos would be a pretty boring stage. I really want it to be Nijima's Casino.

I am personally hoping for the Velvet Room, but I would still enjoy the Casino.

 

[amageish]

So guys we have a potential leak here:

https://personacentral.com/rumor-pe...plete-edition-2019-super-smash-ultimate-leak/

Honestly if this is real it would be fantastic and really seal Persona representation for me in the game.

Hm. It's definitely possible. I'd take "with a skill" to mean "by means of a special," implying that he's part of Joker's moveset? As I doubt they'd only add Jack Frost and Slime as spirits...

I'd rather not have to wait another year for Persona 5 Arena, but I suppose that would make some sense if an enhanced port of P5 added a new Persona-user who they'd want to include in Arena... Also P5 on Switch would be good, obviously.

I want it too but Mementos as a train station that morphs into the prison from the end of the game, maybe with some stops in palaces elsewhere? Could be cool. Especially if it has a title screen section.

I doubt they'd do the literal final dungeon of the game. If its Mementos, then its probably the top level of it - though it still could be morphing back and forth from its metaverse form and the ordinary Shibuya Station form. That said, fighting with Mario, Link, and Kirby in the real-world location of Shibuya Station would be kind of cool - if not especially Persona-y.

 

[Black Link521]

If Joker were to have a counter in his moveset, what do you think it'd be? It could be High Counter or Reflect, but I thought of something a little interesting. What if Joker used Third Eye and mixed it with Ambush when he flips onto an enemy and reveals their true form? It'd be slightly similar to Shulk's Vision and Bayonetta's Witch Time.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Forgot about visiting Smashboards character boards for other characters outside of Yoshi.
Joker in smash is a wild dream. It's neat, can't wait to secondary after doing Yoshi only in competitive for 10 years

 

[Flyboy]

If Joker were to have a counter in his moveset, what do you think it'd be? It could be High Counter or Reflect, but I thought of something a little interesting. What if Joker used Third Eye and mixed it with Ambush when he flips onto an enemy and reveals their true form? It'd be slightly similar to Shulk's Vision and Bayonetta's Witch Time.

I don't want him to but I do enjoy that. I joked about if they were to incorporate Hold Up as a counter. That could work, something to freeze an enemy in their place or cause a retreat or something.

 

[Ultrashroomz]

Man, having your most wanted character in Smash is such a surreal feeling.

I literally don't have the energy nor motivation to think of other characters I want in Smash anymore, they could probably add James Bond in Smash for all I care, and I'd still be content.

 

[Luigifan18]

Man, having your most wanted character in Smash is such a surreal feeling.

I literally don't have the energy nor motivation to think of other characters I want in Smash anymore, they could probably add James Bond in Smash for all I care, and I'd still be content.

Meanwhile, I continue having rotten luck with the characters I support (outside of Sonic and Bowser Jr.)...

 

[kirbsmash]

Do you guys think he'll use his wild card power ?

 

[FamicomDisk]

If Joker were to have a counter in his moveset, what do you think it'd be? It could be High Counter or Reflect, but I thought of something a little interesting. What if Joker used Third Eye and mixed it with Ambush when he flips onto an enemy and reveals their true form? It'd be slightly similar to Shulk's Vision and Bayonetta's Witch Time.

Haha, that would be cool! I could also see a counter having Arsene do the attack - Joker, if he successfully gets the counter, takes a step back, and Arsene jumps in front of him and attacks. Would be interesting to have a sort of coordination between them, with Joker not actually doing the attack himself!

Do you guys think he'll use his wild card power ?

It's possible, but I'm thinking he'll have his own arsenal (knife, gun, etc.), and then just Arsene as his Persona. It would be kind of neat to have a few you can swap between, though!

 

[amageish]

Do you guys think he'll use his wild card power ?

I'd be kind of surprised if they didn't in a sense? Like, JRPG characters lately seem to have a focus on recreating the feeling of playing the game (Cloud, Shulk, Robin, etc.). When playing Persona, you rarely stick to your initial persona for that long - like, the point to use all the personae at your disposal to attack elemental weaknesses.

 

[Sigran101]

I'd be kind of surprised if they didn't in a sense? Like, JRPG characters lately seem to have a focus on recreating the feeling of playing the game (Cloud, Shulk, Robin, etc.). When playing Persona, you rarely stick to your initial persona for that long - like, the point to use all the personae at your disposal to attack elemental weaknesses.

Shulk's whole stance change thing is completely made up for smash, but I agree on Cloud and Robin.

 

[amageish]

Shulk's whole stance change thing is completely made up for smash, but I agree on Cloud and Robin.

I mean, they're based on the Monado arts... Very loosely based on them, but still technically based on them.

 

[Ultrashroomz]

Hey guy's: what one on one match are you most excited to play out once the Joker comes out?

Very late reply, but matchups I’m looking forward to:

Joker vs. Link (Protag of the best PS4 game vs Protag of the best Switch game)
Joker vs. Shulk (Protags of my two fav RPGs of all time)
Joker vs. Wario and/or K. Rool (those two characters are like the perfect embodiments of the types of crooks Joker dealt with, just in a more family friendly way)

 

[Sigran101]

I mean, they're based on the Monado arts... Very loosely based on them, but still technically based on them.

Yeah, but it doesn't exactly simulate playing Xenoblade. It's like if Link pushed ice blocks for an attack and people said it simulated the puzzle solving aspect of Zelda.

 

[kirbsmash]

I think that Joker's colors will be a mix of Yu, Makoto (P3) and the rest of Phantoms.

Also, how is Makoto (P5) best girl? Off topic, but still

 

[Robertman2]

I think that Joker's colors will be a mix of Yu, Makoto (P3) and the rest of Phantoms.

Also, how is Makoto (P5) best girl? Off topic, but still

She's not. Sae, Kawakami, Tae and Haru are all much better

 

[amageish]

Yeah, but it doesn't exactly simulate playing Xenoblade. It's like if Link pushed ice blocks for an attack and people said it simulated the puzzle solving aspect of Zelda.

Yeah, good point... Well, hopefully Joker's more in the Robin/Cloud camp and not in the Shulk camp...

I think that Joker's colors will be a mix of Yu, Makoto (P3) and the rest of Phantoms.

We discussed this back during the dark ages! Here's my way-too-complicated discussion of it.

Spoiler: My Listing MegaTen Protags

Well, time to give a very long answer to this simple question!

Yu Narukami/Izanagi and Makoto Yuki/Orpheus seem basically guaranteed, assuming they wouldn't just go with the Phantom Theives. Aigis/Athena and FeMC/Orpheus seem likely as well for Persona protaginists, but Tatsuya Suou/Vulcanus, Maya Amano/Maia, and Boy-with-Earring/Seimen Kongou all seem improbable unless ATLUS suddenly decides P1/P2 matter again.

In terms of mainline SMT: Kayuza (SMTI), Aleph (SMTII), Flynn (SMTIV), Nanashi (SMTIVA), Marine (SMTSJ), Kyouji Kuzunoha (Devil Summoner), and Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV all are definitely possibilities. Also possible, albeit less likely would be a protagonist from DemiKids, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Survivor, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, or the original Megami Tensei. Especially likely would be Demifiend, the protaginst of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne, as he's easily the most iconic human MegaTen character and Joker has already cosplayed as him in P5DSN. Tamaki from Shin Megami Tensei If also seems a bit more likely IMHO from a game history perspective, as she's from the game that inspired the Persona off-shoot of MegaTen (and unlike the P1/2 gang, ATLUS seems more willing to acknowledge she exists).

MegaTen is a large series, so we obviously have a plurality of options... I could see it just being based on the Theives to avoid having to deal with choosing between this comedically-long list haha.

Also, how is Makoto (P5) best girl? Off topic, but still

I imagine part of the reason that people love her so much is that her arc is directly interwoven with the main story - unlike the other female party members, whose arcs begin in the main story but are concluded in confidants. Everyone gets to know her, and unless you don't relate to her emotional struggles at all, you'll probably grow to like her.

That said, you probably weren't literally asking how she is best girl and just wanted people to compliment her... Well, uh, she cosplays as a P1 enemy in P5DSL. So, that's neat.

 

[kirbsmash]

That said, you probably weren't literally asking how she is best girl

HA! I am. I don't get WHY she's s cool to people.

 

[EarlTamm]

HA! I am. I don't get WHY she's s cool to people.

well, she rides her Persona, she has the whole Mad Max look going for her, she is very linked to the story and pretty much becomes the secound in command of the Phantom Thieves. Those are a few reasons.

 

[kirbsmash]

well, she rides her Persona, she has the whole Mad Max look going for her, she is very linked to the story and pretty much becomes the secound in command of the Phantom Thieves. Those are a few reasons.

It's just me thinking that she's a bit overrated.

 

[C-G]

I'm just hoping Mementos is a viable stage so we can hear that sweet P5 music on stream

 

[kirbsmash]

who here friendzone the girls?

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

who here friendzone the girls?

Psh, I dated all of them and I had to suffer the consequences..

Also, I would be grateful if we had Yakuza Dad as a Spirit battle using Snake and this wonderful theme playing.

 

[kirbsmash]

Psh, I dated all of them and I had to suffer the consequences..

Also, I would be grateful if we had Yakuza Dad as a Spirit battle using Snake and this wonderful theme playing.

Iwai is best dad. Snake is a hunk who could get it. I love that idea!

 

[C-G]

Psh, I dated all of them and I had to suffer the consequences..

Oh there's worse consequences in this game. Imagine poor Joker going Lovers route with female Robin or Corrin. While he's maxing out Confidant, they're maxing out Supports. The moment they start going steady, some random schmuck shows up claiming to be your son from the future pops into existence and asks to crash on your couch.

This would also makes the 'cheating' cutscene more awkward.........