Helping The Useless: Move Theorymon

[Wave⁂]

Only because it affects everything (except the few things that have Limber).

Thunder Wave at least gives ground-types a free switch-in, which would theoretically make that small trade-off worthwhile.

Yeah, but not many Pokémon actually get Stun Spore.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Aqua Ring should restore 1/8 health per turn.
Moves that hit 2-5 times in a turn should hit 3-5 times instead, 50/30/20% chance for each occurrence.
Cotton Spore should lower Speed and Attack 1 stage instead of Speed 2 stages.
Double Edge should have 1/4th recoil damage instead of 1/3.
Egg Bomb should have some crazy effect like a 50% chance to randomly status the opponent (equal chance for paralysis/burn/freeze) because of its ridiculously small distribution.
Fang moves should have 20% chance to flinch/status.
Focus Energy should boost crit chance to +6 for the next attack the Pokémon uses instead of boosting by +2 until it switches.
Foresight/Miracle Eye should allow all types immune to attacks to be hit by them instead (i.e. fighting-type attacks would hit Spiritomb if you hit it with EITHER Miracle Eye or Foresight).
Future Sight and Doom Desire should only have a two-turn delay instead of 3.
Glare and Stun Spore should have 85% acc.
Gravity/Trick Room/Weather moves should last 5 turns after the turn it is used instead of 4.
Grudge should drain all of the PP of the move used to KO it while having +1 priority.
Heal Block should last for 8 turns.
Healing Wish/Lunar Dance should have -6 priority.
Hi Jump Kick/Jump Kick should have no recoil damage for missing.
Hypnosis should go back to having 70% accuracy.
Imprison should prevent all opposing Pokémon from using prohibited moves as long as the user remains on the field.
Karate Chop should have 60 BP.
Kinesis should have 100% acc.
Knock Off should have 40 BP (similar to Thief, Covet, etc.)
Last Resort should be useable if every other move has been used once during the battle (can switch out and maintain effect).
Lock-On/Mind Reader should boost accuracy by 1 stage as long as the user stays on the field.
Lucky Chant should last as long as the user is on the field.
Metal Burst should have -1 priority.
Mirror Shot/Mud Bomb should have 100% acc.
Mud Sport/Water Sport should be treated as a field effect that lasts 5 turns after the move is used.
Natural Gift should not use the held berry (so it can act as a replacement for the old Physical Hidden Power).
Psycho Shift and Psywave should have 100% acc.
Rage should give a +2 boost to atk and increase by 20 BP each turn.
Rock Climb should have 100% acc. and a 30% chance to confuse.
Rock Smash should have 60 BP.
Rolling Kick should have 100% acc.
Rollout/other moves like it should have 100% acc. and begin with 40 BP.
Trapping moves (Wrap, Whirlpool, Magma Storm, etc.) should do 1/8th health extra damage each turn.
Scary Face should lower Speed and Def 1 stage.
Sing and Grasswhistle should have 70% acc.
Slam should have 100% acc. and a 20% chance to flinch.
Sleep Powder should have 85% acc.
Spark should have 60 BP and a 40% chance to paralyze.
Spit Up/Swallow uses the same formulas but only removes 1 defensive boost per use i.e. if it's at +3/+3 and uses Spit Up/Swallow it will keep +2/+2 defensive boosts.
Spite will take away 25% of the last used move's PP.
Strength should have a 30% chance to increase attack by one stage.
Submission should have 100 BP and 100% acc.
Super Fang should have 100% acc.
Supersonic should have 100% acc.
Sweet Kiss should both confuse and paralyze the target.
Sweet Scent should nullify evasion and reduce Speed by 1 stage.
Tailwind should last for 5 turns.
Thunder and Blizzard should not have accuracy reductions in sandstorm.
Transform should have +2 priority.
Wake-Up Slap/Smellingsalt should have 75 BP.
Weather Ball should have 100 BP with no weather in play.
Withdraw should boost Def and SpDef by 1 stage.
Worry Seed should cause permanent ability change.
Zen Headbutt should have 100% accuracy.

yay 20 minutes of free time.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Sing and Grasswhistle aside from distribution wouldn't be used over Hypnosis or Sleep Powder because of said distribution and Soundproof.

 

[Wave⁂]

Oh god, Egg Bomb Serene Grace Blissey.

Also Sweet Kiss for broken tier

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What's the distribution of Sweet Kiss anyway? Jynx?

 

[E123-omega]

What's the distribution of Sweet Kiss anyway? Jynx?

Doesn't every baby except for tyrouge get sweet kiss.

Supersonic should have 100% acc.

No, just no. Isn't is bad enough that crobat and gengar get confuse ray?

 

[E123-omega]

disregard this post.

 

[Wave⁂]

No, just no. Isn't is bad enough that crobat and gengar get confuse ray?

Seeing as how useless confusion is, I don't think it'd be a problem.

 

[E123-omega]

Whenever I get confused, it take 4 tries to use one move.

 

[Wave⁂]

Whenever I get confused, it take 4 tries to use one move.

I'd rather use my criting Quick Claw Rhyperior.

 

[E123-omega]

Wait, what?

 

[Wave⁂]

There's no reason to use Confuse Ray to make people hit themselves in confusion four times if I can sweep you with my Quick Claw Rhyperior's critical hits.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Quick Claw is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a cheater Mr.

 

[Wave⁂]

Quick Claw is not illegal.

 

[asianaussie]

water sport can be used on masquerain

more moves should have spite's effect

 

[Night-san]

Quick Claw is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a cheater Mr.

Quick Claw is not, and never has been illegal. Easy on the caps there before my eyes bleed. x___x

String Shot could possibly Paralyze... After all, you are supposed to be wrapping them up, right? .3.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

String Shot should lower Speed 1 stage and have like 40% chance to paralyze.

 

[DLO]

They mean, Quick Claw is banned in official events et similar battles.
Now, who here agrees that the best Pokèmon who puts Amnesia to good use is Bibarel?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Why would it be banned? Define "official events".

Bibarel is the only Pokemon aside from gimmicky Registeel sets that can use Amnesia. But this isn't the place for that.

 

[Wave⁂]

*****es don't know about my Amnesia Mewtwo

 

[Terywj [태리]]

*****es don't know about my Amnesia Mewtwo

LolUbers.

Also, doesn't Heal Block work only on using Potions? Or is it the other way around?

 

[Wave⁂]

....*****es don't know about my Bulbapedia

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Heal Block working to 8 turns would be more effective, but the target would just switch out and negate the effects.

 

[asianaussie]

well there you go, it broke a possible stall, forced a switch and now you control the flow of battle. Sorta.

Leech Life should do 8x damage to those its SE against.

It'd make Shedinja a scary ******* in ubers lol

 

[Wave⁂]

Leech Life should do 8x damage to those its SE against.

It'd make Shedinja a scary ******* in ubers lol

Does not compute

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Would that really be effective? Leech Life has such low base power, right? Given that and Shedinja's poor base Special Attack stat I don't think it'd be as useful as it seems.

 

[UltiMario]

ITT people forget the Physical and Special Split.

Also forgetting that Shedinja is a bad Pokemon.

 

[asianaussie]

i just want to see shedinja used

bug has always been physical and so has leech life, why is the phys/spec split even relevant?

20 x8 with stab comes out to 240, and off 90 attack it's not dreadful

alternatively give it to ninjask and let him drink mewtwo's blood

 

[UltiMario]

I have a feeling cheeseball has never played beyond third Gen, or even payed any attention to the games since then.

The physical/special split made it so type didn't matter anymore for physical/special moves.
For example, water used to be ALWAYS special, now there's things like Surf that ARE still special, but now ANOTHER Water move, Aqua Tail, is Physical.

Leech Life is now a Special Attack, and so, it run's off Sheddy's pathetic SpA stat.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Leech Life is now a Special Attack, and so, it run's off Sheddy's pathetic SpA stat.

Actually...Leech Life is physical. It's Absorb that's special.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Meditate, Howl, Sharpen : Increases Special Attack and Attack by one stage, all similar to how Growth works next gen.

Some good abusers would be:
Infernape
Arcanine
Camerupt
Porygon2
Exploud
Lucario
Poliwrath

I wouldn't be surprise if this change did happen to be honest lol.

 

[Wave⁂]

Meditate Infernape seems horribly powerful.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Since Growth was changed to give +1 Atk / Sp Atk, maybe something like Meditate or Howl will be changed to +1 Sp Atk / +1 Spd or something.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Those moves have always been duplicates of each other with aesthetic variation though.

 

[Z'zgashi]

There are a couple cases of duplicate attacks though...

 

[Firus]

I've been debating with this but I feel like this should go in the Pokémon Lab, as it's really more of a project...if there are any objections, let me know and I'll move it back.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Remember: this is completely theorymon. This is just for fun and isn't an attempt to try and balance the metagame or something. These will not be applied to the OU+ metagame and I believe UltiMario isn't capable of such edits at current point anyway.

How is it a project if we're just discussing possible changes?

Whatever works for you though.

 

[Firus]

I know nothing was going to be actually put into effect, I was thinking more about the fact that it's coming up with ideas to change moves to make them better.

But yeah, now that I think about it, it isn't really a project. That's why I asked if there were any objections, because I figured I might be missing something.

Sorry for the confusion, I'm not thinking very clearly today, heh.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I know nothing was going to be actually put into effect, I was thinking more about the fact that it's coming up with ideas to change moves to make them better.

But yeah, now that I think about it, it isn't really a project. That's why I asked if there were any objections, because I figured I might be missing something.

Sorry for the confusion, I'm not thinking very clearly today, heh.

No worries. I was just making sure, haha.

 

[E123-omega]

Razor leaf should have 85 power and 100 acc.