Helping The Useless: Move Theorymon

[asianaussie]

I have a feeling cheeseball has never played beyond third Gen, or even payed any attention to the games since then.

...

Leech Life is now a Special Attack, and so, it run's off Sheddy's pathetic SpA stat.

o.o get your facts straight before you lecture people

i did play 3rd gen and i've been playing 4th gen competitive for ages, and i trained a zubat from scratch in hg so i'd know about leech life >_>

give whirlpool 90% accuracy and fix it at 4 turns so politoed and lapras whirlpool perishtrapping becomes viable outside pokemon stadium 2 lol

 

[E123-omega]

Why is it that EQ gets 100 accuracy and yet stone edge has the same power and gets only 80 accuracy?

 

[mood4food77]

earthquake has 100 base power
stone edge has 120 base power

not the same power

also, do not give infernape any more reason to be broken, he has sword dance and nasty plot to abuse along with almost infinite versatility

HE DOESN'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE!!!

 

[Wave⁂]

stone edge has 120 base power

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[Terywj [태리]]

Stone Edge
N: A physical Rock-type move which also has a 30% chance of causing the foe to flinch. It has 100 base power and 80% accuracy.

Thank you for watching: Competitive Moves 101, where you disprove your ideas, one move at a time.

:3

 

[mood4food77]

oh wow...it does have base 100....

i always thought it was 120

i'm dumb and the only reason i think that it has 80% accuracy is because of 2 possible reasons:

1. rock is a very good offensive type
2. almost every ground pokemon in the game learns it and it is the best compliment to earthquake

like, if it was perfect accuracy, it might be too much for many teams to handle as edgequake has near perfect coverage (only levitate bronzong, breloom, and torterra resist it)

 

[UltiMario]

Stone Edge has a high-crit ratio, that's why it's 100/80.

Also, GF made Draco Meteor and Un-dodge-able DPunch. 100/100 no-effect Rock move is not overpowered to them.

 

[E123-omega]

Stone Edge
N: A physical Rock-type move which also has a 30% chance of causing the foe to flinch. It has 100 base power and 80% accuracy.

Thank you for watching: Competitive Moves 101, where you disprove your ideas, one move at a time.

:3

Stone edge doesn't flinch. It has a high critical hit ratio.

 

[Wave⁂]

I thought Tery was making a suggestion.

It kind of makes more sense that he's wrong, though.

 

[E123-omega]

Is there anything we can do for vine whip?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yes I was making a suggestion.

Vine Whip could possibly cause a switch?

 

[E123-omega]

It could be a grass typed fake out.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That could be pretty cool. I don't think any physical Grass-type would actually use that, though.

 

[E123-omega]

Oh yeah, forgot that grass type doesn't have many physical attackers. That leaves only Victreebel, Torterra , Tangrowth , Leafeon and Shaymin

Edit: I forgot Breloom, Parasect, and Cacturne

 

[Terywj [태리]]

None of those Pokemon would really want to pass up a moveslot for Vine Whip, especially since they lack Technician.

It'd still be a fun gimmick, though.

 

[E123-omega]

I think that since flare blitz has a 10% chance of burning, wood hammer should get something like that.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wood Hammer should get 10% chance to paralyze, maybe? I mean, you're being slammed into the ground...

 

[Wave⁂]

Sort of like Stomp, right, Tery?

And everyone knows Stomp flinches

 

[asianaussie]

can we make comet punch viable?

i forgot it existed lol

 

[E123-omega]

Wood Hammer should get 10% chance to paralyze, maybe? I mean, you're being slammed into the ground...

If I were hit by a tree, I would be knocked unconscious, maybe it could cause sleep.

 

[Wave⁂]

Maybe everything should cause sleep then.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Can we make comet punch viable?

I forgot it existed lol.

Psychic-type Quick Attack / Aqua Jet?

 

[E123-omega]

Bug resistance is yet another useless move, to make matters worse, it took up a precious TM spot.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

There's a lot of debatable stuff that happened with the new TM List changes I'd say.

 

[E123-omega]

When I first heard of Bug Resistance, I though it would be given to grass types to help them cope with their bug weakness.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Bug resistance would be arguably good if it overwrote any weaknesses COMPLETELY and made them resist bug.

Like on Psychic/Dark types. Imagine those resisting Bug instead of being x4 weak to it.

 

[E123-omega]

Bug resistance-
0 power
100 acc.
15PP
Grass type

The user coats itself with insecticide, if the foe is a bug type, their attack and sp. attack are lower 1 stage. The user now take 1/2 damage from bug type moves regardless of type.

 

[UltiMario]

Bug resistance:
20 Power
90 Acc
5 PP
Bug Type

Has a 50% chance of lower your opponent's SpA by 3 Stages, if the target is bug-type, this effect can also drop the target's Attack by 3 Stages.

:3

 

[E123-omega]

Is that an actually what it does, or is it another idea about what it can do?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think UltiMario's is a suggested change that improves on what you intended Bug Resistance to do.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I actually think he was joking about how the effect you proposed was overpowered.

or just highly situational and therefore not a change worth making...

obv

 

[E123-omega]

Yeah, kinda overpowered.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Let's just make Tail Glow +6 because clearly that's not good enough.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm just waiting for Simple Pokemon with Tail Glow. Like a Bug-type Bibarel, essentially.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Simple Tail Glow Luvdisc.

 

[E123-omega]

Iron tail should be given a power boost when holding a lagging tail.

 

[UltiMario]

Yes, boost to 200 base power.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Iron Tail with 200 BP? That makes it stronger than an un-STAB Explosion (provided Iron Tail gets STAB itself)! From what I see, Steelix can put it to better use thanks to its Dream World Ability, Encourage.

To stay on topic, one move that begs to be powered up is Submission. Sure, there's the improved Hi Jump Kick, but not all Pokémon has access to it. They ought to up the power to 120 to make it usable. Yeah, there's Take Down too, but Double-Edge is there to fill the roll of a powerful Normal recoil move. Hi Jump Kick may be a Fighting-type recoil move, but unlike other recoil moves, the recoil damage is abnormal, inflicting damage equal to half the user's max HP upon missing, which can be a major problem, especially with how some people (myself included) are oftentimes the victim of unfortunate hax. That's just my thought though. What do you guys think?

 

[E123-omega]

I think 140 bp while holding a lagging tail is balanced enough considering that you lose speed and that Iron tail has a sketchy 75 accuracy. The question is, is it worth using?

 

[mood4food77]

if you lose speed and have 75 accuracy, it should be more on a bad attacking type