Help Save A Demon From Temptation!

[Vanst]

Ok I understand all the matchups with certain characters and stuff, with advantages and disadvantages, but does anyone else think if you love to use your character and are willing to get better with that character, you can overcome to beat any matchup? Maybe I sound noobish, but if you try your hardest to get your main to the best of its level, (regardless of the tiers) no matter who your character is, I believe that you can defeat any character.

 

[Melomaniacal]

All I have to say is that you watch too much anime. Brawl is not like an anime, where you're just going to "claw your way to the top," with "honor and dignity," and "pride and nobility." In Brawl, if you want to win, you're going to have to play to win. Being a video game. and not an anime, you will more than likely have to play "cheaply" (I'll just say there is no "cheap" playing. It's just what bad players call effective techniques). There are players who play to win, and there are players like you who fall to the anime effect.

I'll reiterate. Brawl is a video game. Not an anime. That statement is probably deeper than it appears to be (or maybe not).

 

[Yuna]

All I have to say is that you watch too much anime. Brawl is not like an anime, where you're just going to "claw your way to the top," with "honor and dignity," and "pride and nobility." In Brawl, if you want to win, you're going to have to play to win. Being a video game. and not an anime, you will more than likely have to play "cheaply" (I'll just say there is no "cheap" playing. It's just what bad players call effective techniques). There are players who play to win, and there are players like you who fall to the anime effect.

Or he could just be watching the wrong anime. Maybe he should watch some Naruto instead, where keeping secrets, tricks and suprising enemies from behind are running staples.

In other words:
Don't be like Monkey D. Ruffy and just charge in blindly and hope to win due to your fabulous Nakama and your impeccable sense of honor and courage, be like Naruto and charge in there using cheap Kage Bunshin, various forms of tools which consists of either a fox, a frog or nature itself injecting "energy" into you and try to surprise the enemy from behind with a giant swirling whirlpool of white stuff up the bum.

Also, under no circumstances are you to be like Shinji. For the love of puppies, don't be like Shinji!

 

[Melomaniacal]

...try to surprise the enemy from behind with a giant swirling whirlpool of white stuff up the bum.

Wait... what?

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I'ma post a little bit more, then I'm gonna stick to only responces about trying to deal with the issue I had asked earlier.

About those who judge me for battling my friends and beating them, I may have exaggerated a bit. They were ffa matches, not full on 3v1 team battles. But they all admited to trying to fight against me in that respect. And I didn't outright dominate them or anything. I just kinda stayed dodgy and evasive and let their attacks kill eachother. The only reason I still fight them in that style of play is because it helps me increase my reflexes and lets me be able anticipate people better. If I just wait for an enemy to make a mistake and then capitalize on it, it makes winning a much easier job.

I used to be able to go to as many of the tournaments as I could all the time (I even attended a few in NewYork on a trip of mine), but I got in an accident recently that makes it hard for me to even move. But one my ribs heal and my back muscles stop nearly paralizing me, I'll be headed back to the tournament scene as soon as possible. And once I graduate + get a good enough job to fund it, I'm going to start doing nationals, so I can really get a taste of the tournament world.

I like trying to fight fairly. I don't see a problem with using combos to help get damage and such, or using any new techniques you've discovered, but as I was saying to Melomaniacal, when enemys abuse combos to the point where they can get high damage on you without being hurt at all, or who use glitches and infinite grabs, or anything else that sucks the fun out of the game, I'm not comfortable. But if I find that I'll have to fight that way in order to win, I will. But until it becomes evident that I need to, I'll still fight the way that lets me win and feels natural to me.

I am a little mad at the way the beginnings were set, because some people were allowed to practice, but others's first matches were there rounds in the tournament (I actually won mine using Samus, but my mom kept nagging me and made me lose my final round. I would have given my trophy an afro). But some of my friends who did keep going in the tournament and who also participate in more of them murder at the game. I just like messing with their heads.

As for the Anime crack, I kinda laughed at that. The only anime I really watched is Dragon Ball Z, but only because I'm a big fan of giant explosions and big booms and such. Heavy weaponry, bombs, anything like that makes me happy. That's probably why my first ever character was Samus. But I am proud to say I AM NOT A VICTIM OF "The Anime Effect". If I was, this thread wouldn't even be here, and I'd get my butt kicked all the time, thinking I'd only be able to win with just Lucario, even against high level opponents who knows Lucario's weaknesses inside and out. Infact, I want to have a second to help me out with that issue.

I'm honestly sorry if I've offended anyone, and I'm sorry for any trouble that I've been causing. Anyone that questions my methods though, I'd honestly like to face you on Wifi. Not to win, since you're probably smarter than me, but just so that you can fully know me before you judge me. Anyone else that wants to Brawl just to Brawl, that's awesome too. And if anyone has any more suggestions for me to try to support my best character, I'm wide open to them. So far, I'm giving Metaknight, Marth, and Snake tries, but I'm looking back into Olimar as an issue, and checking Peach, Yoshi, and Link's viability as supporters. If push comes to shove and my best bet might be Metaknight, how would I go about making sure people don't see me as one of those people who use him just to get around bad matches? My Pride and Self-Respect would make me want to kill myself if I became another newb that made him look bad enough to warrent banning.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

And Yuna, you're funny. I like you. I see myself honestly like Gohan right now, still having some hidden tricks to roll out, but ready to show the world what I'm capable of. When I start fully kicking people's butt, I might update my picture.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Also, lets not talk about white stuff up the bum. That's messed up. That's why I dislike Captain Falcon.


But in all seriousness, does anyone have any other tips?

 

[•Col•]

And I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO MAIN METAKNIGHT JUST AS AN END ALL SOLUTION!

Why? Just do it, already. Either stop worrying about matchup numbers, or just main MK.
And if you choose anyone else besides MK, then you're literally just putting yourself at a disadvantage.

Spoiler

dun triple post

 

[XienZo]

Lucario's actually one of the most versatile characters. If you change your approach(from defensive, offensive, and others; there's a list in the Lucario boards) you can often do better against characters that would own you with your previous approach.

Basically, Lucario with a secondary approach is a decent backup to another Lucario.

Well, compared to other characters anyway.

 

[ndayday]

Also, lets not talk about white stuff up the bum. That's messed up. That's why I dislike Captain Falcon.

You did not just seriously say that.

Anyway...

Hmm. Well, I looked into it a bit for you and this is what I've come up with. Snake would be a smart choice to deal with Marth and G&W. According to the Match-up thread in the Snake boards, he has a 60:40 match-up against G&W. That's pretty good. With Marth, it's a pretty nuetral match-up, 55:45. Although it doesn't say anything about Olimar at the moment, I would imagine that is an easy or nuetral match-up. Don't take my word on it though, It just seems that way in my head.

Another decent choice would be ZSS. Her match up with Olimar is pretty even, 45:55 approximatly. Against Marth and G&W, her match-up is 50:50 and 60:40, respectively. I hope this helped. When it comes down to it, explore characters that you like and give them a go, you don't have to get it right on your first time.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Lucario's actually one of the most versatile characters. If you change your approach(from defensive, offensive, and others; there's a list in the Lucario boards) you can often do better against characters that would own you with your previous approach.

Basically, Lucario with a secondary approach is a decent backup to another Lucario.

Well, compared to other characters anyway.

Agreed. Lucario is one of the few characters that I think can be a stand-alone main. Requires a little more work and matchup experience, but I think it's possible Lucario doesn't really have any "auto-lose" matchups.

 

[•Col•]

Agreed. Lucario is one of the few characters that I think can be a stand-alone main. Requires a little more work and matchup experience, but I think it's possible Lucario doesn't really have any "auto-lose" matchups.

This is what I've been saying... -.- Except instead of "auto-lose" matchups, I've been saying that Lucario doesn't have any "unwinnable" or "****" matches.

That's why I figure if he's gonna ***** and moan about Lucario's slightly disadvantageous matchups and tell himself it's impossible for him to win them, then he should just switch mains to MK and use Lucario to CP characters. >.>

 

[SothE700k]

Anyone that feels like questioning my methods, give me your friendscode, and I'll fight you myself. Judge me once you have, but not before.

You're challenging people to a wifi battle?
May as well pick a fight with a mentally diagnosed ******...

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

My Pride and Self-Respect would make me want to kill myself if I became another newb that made him look bad enough to warrent banning.

If people thought I made MK look bad enough to be banned, I'd be flattered, myself.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

What does everyone have against using Olimar?

Olimar is great for the Marth, GW, and Olimar matchups.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Someone's confident. ;P But honestly, if I can't travel to tournaments due to my injury, I don't have much of a choice but to do Wifi. And who better to practice against than people who don't fully understand my methods and still judge me? If you feel like saying I'd have a problem not using glitches and infinite grabs, I don't see the problem in asking you to try me yourself and see what you really think once you've gotten a feel to my playing style. Of course, I also ask to fight people for fun too. Because that's what it's all about.

Back to the main issue at hand, I'm not overly concerned with match ups. To a degree, I do believe that if I work hard enough with my Lucario, I'll be able to take on virtually everyone. But there will be a point where I start fighting against champions of this game, like Overswarm and SamuraiPanda and Mew2King, or other people at that skill level. They'll probably know Lucario better than I ever could, and they'll also know his weaknesses. If they pick the characters which I seem to observe can exploit his weaknesses, I don't think it wouldn't be stupid to have a back up plan. Lucario might be able to do anything he wants (which is just one of the few details that makes him so cool!), but some people might be able to stop him from doing what he wants, and I need to be able to make sure that I have a way to stop them from stoping he and I.

I feel stupid for forgetting ZeroSuitSamus. She is actually one of my 13 favorite characters (I had to try her out since PowerSuit Samus was my very first character), and if she can cover the blue moon situations where Lucario and I can't, that might be awesome-sauce for me. I gotta check that out. Thanks for the tip!

And Colaya, please try to understand where I'm coming from. People have actually gotten in fights with me because Metaknight is one of my favorite characters. That's one of the reasons I don't want to use him and accidentally end up subconciously abusing him. Plus, if I do use him, some of the people I've never had problems with (The Kongs, Pikachu, Snake) might start posing an actual threat. Can't have that now can I? Plus, if I find out that I have to try to use the infinite grabs and other cheap things (which I desperately don't want to do, another reason I like Lucario, he meshes well enough that I don't need to do unfair tricks), and I do them with MetaKnight, then I'll be proof of another reason to ban him:n00bs who use him only not to have to work to play and get good, and who end up shaming him. Plus, he really doesn't solve all of my problems. Metaknight isn't as overpowered as people claim, and I'd be dumb to use him and get my butt kicked. And the absolute worst reason for me to pick up MetaKnight is that Lucario destroys him. If I picked him up, I'd start being destroyed by someone who used to support me. It would be like being murdered by your best friend. It would just be sad.

I'm sorry if I'm being annoying or offensive. I'll try my best to fix it, but I just need a little bit of knowledge is all. Pardon me. Any other tips for me, should I still deserve it? (I'm so dumb for forgetting ZSS).

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Sorry Colonel, but I like Metaknight, and knowing that I made him bad enough to be banned (even though I know it wouldn't just be me out there) would make me feel so guilty. And Captain, I'm trying to avoid Mirror Matches, or else Marth would work out quite well too.

 

[|RK|]

There is a topic on the Lucario boards, where I posted a quote from the Wolf boards. You can take all of them with just Lucario, if you really want to work on them. In the topic where they were talking about secondaries, I said that it was best for me to just focus on Lucario, and not switch for matchups. My secondaries are really just people I like playing as, like Kirby. Milln, in that same topic, said that he anticipates battles with Dedede, because he worked to put them in his favor. It's people who study one character that drag the character's metagame to the top and discover the best AT's. Stick with Lucario, man. If you like the Kirby games (like myself) then just play as Meta-Knight. I have no secondaries, really, I just play as characters, and I will NEVER use them as counterpicks. It takes (lol):

10% Luck
20% Skill
15% Concentrated Power of Will
5% Pleasure
50% Pain
And 100% Reason to remember the name

Whether you like the song or not, it's true. So start working on that Lucario. And people can't bother you or call you a noob if you play Meta-Knight for fun, and not as a crutch.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I don't quite have enough pain (I'm not emo ), but I think I got everything else down. Then again, it might not be enough against someone like AlphaZealot... And that's when other secondaries might come in, assuming I don't play with one that can help already (Yay for ZSS and MK!)

 

[•Col•]

Back to the main issue at hand, I'm not overly concerned with match ups.

..........

But it would be stupid to think I could go all the way to the top and become a champion with just Lucario. So, I began a quest to find my secondary.

^From your OP.

But there will be a point where I start fighting against champions of this game, like Overswarm and SamuraiPanda and Mew2King, or other people at that skill level. They'll probably know Lucario better than I ever could, and they'll also know his weaknesses. If they pick the characters which I seem to observe can exploit his weaknesses, I don't think it wouldn't be stupid to have a back up plan.

Yeah, and they'll probably know any secondary you could pick better than you ever could too. It wouldn't make a difference. Every character is going to have a weakness that you can exploit..... Well, except maybe MK... >_>

And Colaya, please try to understand where I'm coming from. People have actually gotten in fights with me because Metaknight is one of my favorite characters.

And? You're going to let people threaten you to not use a character? ._.

Plus, if I do use him, some of the people I've never had problems with (The Kongs, Pikachu, Snake) might start posing an actual threat. Can't have that now can I?

Then learn the ****ed matchups! -_- Or just use Lucario against Diddy/Snake and whoever...

Plus, if I find out that I have to try to use the infinite grabs and other cheap things (which I desperately don't want to do, another reason I like Lucario, he meshes well enough that I don't need to do unfair tricks), and I do them with MetaKnight, then I'll be proof of another reason to ban him

MK doesn't have any infinite grabs or anything like that, except the Infinite Dimensional Cape, and that's banned anyway. And wtf? You said you were against MK getting banned. Yet you admit right here that he could have unfair crap that should get him banned... >_>

Plus, he really doesn't solve all of my problems.

Yes he does.

Metaknight isn't as overpowered as people claim

Yes he is.

and I'd be dumb to use him and get my butt kicked.

It would be dumb not to use him. You shouldn't really be getting your butt kicked more with Metaknight then you would with Lucario. That's what this entire thread is about. You are afraid of using Lucario because he has bad matchups, so just main MK. You won't have an excuse for losing then, as he does not have any disadvantageous matchups.

And the absolute worst reason for me to pick up MetaKnight is that Lucario destroys him. If I picked him up, I'd start being destroyed by someone who used to support me.

Lucario doesn't "destroy" Metaknight by ANY means. He is one of the closest to even matchups with Metaknight... Again, just learn the **** matchup.

It would be like being murdered by your best friend.

No. It wouldn't. If you were murdered by your best friend, you'd be dead and it would be a lot more devastating. This is a video game. Lucario is not your best friend (at least I hope not ._. ), he's a fictional character. Nothing really sad about it here.


Just main MK, and make Lucario a secondary already. -_-

 

[|RK|]

Yeah, do what Colaya said. Seriously, make MK your main. Unlike some others, you like him because you actually PLAYED the Kirby games. So just play as him and stop complaining up the board. There's no other character, right? Just take MK, honestly. Oh, and as for your comment on how "it would be stupid to think I could go all the way to the top and become a champion with just Lucario," You're wrong, very wrong, in fact. Lucario can stand on his own two feet. Fact of the matter is, you want to play MK lots, and you created this topic for justification. You've shot down all other reasonable character choices. You don't want MK as a secondary, but a main. But you're afraid. Any character can go to the top, really. If you learned to Perfect Shield everything, you could win with Captain Falcon (and if their attacks are laggy enough, HIT with Falcon Punch *gasp* O_o). Please, stop this now and play MK. You're justified or whatever. Seriously. How can Lucario not hold his own against higher ranked people? Oh and I know this is overused, but Azen. Even though he doesn't main anyone, really, he can hold his own rather well, even against the best Smasher in America. With Lucario. So, yeah. Proof you just want justification. If it's enough against M2K (which nothing ever is really), I'm pretty sure it's enough against AlphaZealot (he'd probably crush me at my current skill level, but that;s why I try).

I personally don't pay attention to matchups besides counter strategies. Eventually, I'm gonna make sure they change, so I'm working on Lucario's metagame a lot.

(P.S. M2K, I'm coming for you.)

 

[Calixto]

Clearly, 'You're too slow', and you need to 'Step it up'.


Seriously though, everyone here is going to tell you to just main MK. But I mean, you could always try Snake, or something?

 

[•Col•]

Clearly, 'You're too slow', and you need to 'Step it up'.


Seriously though, everyone here is going to tell you to just main MK. But I mean, you could always try Snake, or something?

No, Snake has bad matchups. If this guy is worried about matchups, go MK.

 

[ndayday]

Thing is, he's not worried about matchups, remember?

Back to the main issue at hand, I'm not overly concerned with match ups.

So if he's not worried about matchups, he can just use any other character that has an even or good matchup on Marth, Olimar, and G&W. Right?

 

[•Col•]

Thing is, he's not worried about matchups, remember?


So if he's not worried about matchups, he can just use any other character that has an even or good matchup on Marth, Olimar, and G&W. Right?

Thing is, he is worried about matchups. He's been implying it in all of his posts, even if he denies it.

He's been saying how he can't go all the way to the "top" with Lucario and the like, because of 3 matchups.

3 matchups.

3 matchups, that are SLIGHTLY out of Lucario's favor.

MK doesn't have any bad matchups. So play MK. He has no bad matchups. And he can't use someone who does good against Marth, Olimar, and G&W, but has bad matchups.

Let's say he goes to a tournament. 1st match, he plays as Lucario, and the opponent picks G&W. He goes "OMG DISADVANTAGEOUS MATCHUP I CANT WIN." and loses. Then he counterpicks Marth and wins. Then he decides to stay as Marth for the last match, the opponent counterpicks DDD and he goes "OMG DISADVANTAGEOUS MATCHUP I CANT WIN." again and loses.

The above scenario will never happen if he decides to go MK.

 

[|RK|]

There's a topic about good advice. One of them is always expect to win. Screw the matchups.

"Do what need be done and d*mn the consequences!"

X-Men
Starjammers

 

[ndayday]

Although that is so true, he very clearly is stating he does not want to use MetaKnight, for whatever reason/s. The way I see it, he has 3 choices as to what he should do. It all comes down to perosnal preferance really. (he's basically asking who he should use)

-Use MetaKnight
-Learn Lucario to raise chances of winning
-Pick up another character that has a chance at beating those characters and keep Lucario

Choice 1 has all the benefits of what you posted, Colaya.
#2 is a decent choice, as if he learned the matchups he could actually beat them instead of having to CP them.
And of course #3 has the flaw that he could be CP'd.

Whatever he wants, I'm getting the impression he only takes the advice he wants to hear. (not good!)

 

[•Col•]

-Use MetaKnight
-Learn Lucario to raise chances of winning
-Pick up another character that has a chance at beating those characters and keep Lucario

Choice 1 has all the benefits of what you posted, Colaya.
#2 is a decent choice, as if he learned the matchups he could actually beat them instead of having to CP them.
And of course #3 has the flaw that he could be CP'd.

Yes, I was arguing (as were many others) that Lucario could win his disadvantageous matches with some effort. He doesn't get completely ***** by anyone.

But he didn't want to do that.

That's when I started saying that he should just go MK then.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I really don't think Colaya understands me. And Joker, I thought you did, but you don't seem to either.

I'm not seeking justification to use a secondary. I'm trying to find the best secondary to support my main, Lucario.

And I've already started fighting a friend of mine online, tournament rules and settings, and have already gotten a good answer to my question, taking a tip I saw here. A friend of mine is a beast with game and watch, but I still started with Lucario. I lost a couple of matches, and then switched to ZSS. I barely lost any stock, so he switched to his regular Samus. I switched back to my Lucario, and he kept having to switch characters, from his Ike to his Metaknight to his Samus to his Luigi and such. We and didn't lose at all until he went back to G&W. I switched to ZSS, and mid match, he droped out. I haven't seen him online tonight since. Whoever it was that said to use her, I thank for the reminder.

There are plenty of people that work with me better than Metaknight does. I only picked him up for the nostaliga. And I know that Lucario is a beast. I can play against nearly anyone with him. I'm just saying against uber people who can beat Lucario, I'm searching for a secondary who can punish them for punishing him. And I haven't shot down other character choices. I've been looking through the Peach boards since hearing about her (although Yoshi just reminds me of Vore, which scares me a little), as well as checking out Snake, Marth and Olimar myself. And I'm not scared of anything (except Metroids. Evil spiders. But enough about that) related to Brawl. I've just seen some of the data that I've checked out, both watched and read, come to life in my Wii, and I felt like making sure I was prepared against high level enemies who's skill probably caused others to consider playing in such a way.

Calixto, I love your message. If only they didn't have Sonic be nerfed, I'd have taken the entire planet by storm. Still, beating people with him (and my other buds) is "Too Easy... Piece of Cake!". XD

Dedede, I think it was you that give me the ZSS reminder. Let me remind you that I'm not overly concerned with numbers. The actual fight can go much differently than match ups. I also feel that I've learned Lucario very well. I just don't want to be seen as one of the people who abuses Metaknight (should I need him, which now I'm not even sure I will), so I asked if there was anyone else who I could use to take on the few people who, both in practice and that I've noticed in actual matches, give me trouble. I'd have been posting on the boards how to stop them if the match ups didn't feel problematic to me.

And again, any other tips will help me a lot. Thanks for the help so far!

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

A little more to Colaya, I'm sure that everyone can infinite grab or glitch or something like that which would make the person warrent being banned. Metaknight, being Brawl's best character, is simply the most targeted of banishment for his natural ablities.

As for my Lucario, I'm just not sure that I'll be able to go to National Tournaments and be able to overturn every single person I face period, if I can still lose at the public level. I'm sure others can, but I've had the issue of being rusty due to an accident nearly paralising me and not being able to play for a couple of weeks. Getting back into fighting people has been harder for me.

In tournaments, if I lose using both Lucario and whoever my secondary will be (at this rate I could be trying anyone, but ZSS seems helpful), that just means I lacked skill, and need to train and improve myself.

It seems a little stupid to go from a person with only a few weaknesses to a person with a larger handful of weakness, doesn't it? Plus, I've played more with Lucario than I have with Metaknight, and would need to work harder to get better with him as my new main than I would with using him for just those 3 match ups.

People in Georgia are mean. This is why the Devil came down here first, looking for a soul to steal, he was in a bind, he was way behind, and he was looking to make a deal. But seriously, some of my other friends got mad at me for liking Metaknight. They're still friends with me otherwize, but they are of a mindset similar to peoeple who seem to think that he's rigged and deserves to be banned.

I'm not better with my Lucario that my Metaknight. I like fighting with him, but Lucario just kinda flows better with me. Again, there's the issue of more weaknesses to deal with, despite a secondary that gets more done better than a main MK would, and it honestly would be a dumb move to let an inferior character replace a better character, leading me to lose more matches.

And I honestly can't remember the last time I've lost against a Metaknight using my Lucario. Maybe I honestly need to fight stronger enemys, but if they are fight with similar techniques (and don't do anything that lets them do rigged moves), then I don't have a problem taking them on with Lucario and I. Admitably, comparing it being murdered by my friend might be an overexajuration, but it felt descriptive enough.

And again, I know that Lucario few enemys are only slightly dangerous against him, but I just want to have a contigancy plan, should anything happen. I'll always throw my best foot forward, but it seems dumb to try to walk with only one foot.

 

[ndayday]

There you go! Case closed. Just whenever you're in a situation like this, look into it a bit. The stuff I suggested to you was completely random. I literally opened up another tab, went to the character boards and looked for a decent character that had good matchups against the characters you have trouble with. It wasn't hard at all.

(Oh and you betta stop double posting before you get caught and get infracted.)

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I am gonna get in trouble for that. That's probably the main reason I usually slam boards with walls of text. If I condenced my points in each of my blocks of text into different posts, I'd probablyl be a Smash Master by now. And honestly, thank you for the ZSS tip. I had completely forgot about her. If there's nothing else, to avoid mirror matches and fully solve my issue she's probably my best secondary.

 

[XienZo]

Back to the main issue at hand, I'm not overly concerned with match ups. To a degree, I do believe that if I work hard enough with my Lucario, I'll be able to take on virtually everyone. But there will be a point where I start fighting against champions of this game, like Overswarm and SamuraiPanda and Mew2King, or other people at that skill level. They'll probably know Lucario better than I ever could, and they'll also know his weaknesses. If they pick the characters which I seem to observe can exploit his weaknesses, I don't think it wouldn't be stupid to have a back up plan. Lucario might be able to do anything he wants (which is just one of the few details that makes him so cool!), but some people might be able to stop him from doing what he wants, and I need to be able to make sure that I have a way to stop them from stoping he and I.

I just wanted to point out that Azen (a Lucario mainer... at least last time I checked) abuses Lucario's lack of any major weakness so he can use his mindgames and pwn everyone else.

 

[Melomaniacal]

You keep bringing up this idea of "rigged," "cheap," or "unfair" moves. I'm curious as to what you think qualifies as one of these techniques. Like, what specifically do you think falls under this category. Because I can't think of anything like that that Lucario or Metaknight can do, other than IDC, which is not tournament legal.

So, I request specific examples.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

The biggest example I can think of of of the top of my head would be just chain grabs that some of the cast can do, any glitches that should obviously not exist, or annoying combos that lets them do upwards 150 damage to you without being hit once. That last one might just be differences in skills though, since one of the former biggest examples was a grab, then up smash, then aether, then semi jab combo then grab an Ike used to do to me before I learned to Di and rely on my aerials. I've also had a couple of problems with Game and Watch doing that with his flag, chair, and fireman, although stunning his butt with the Paralyzer fixes him right up.

I'm trying not to double post, so I don't get banned or anything, but are Mind-Games the reason that high level computers aren't as good to practice on against actual human opponents? Just kinda curious since Azen was brought up. I wanna be like him one day.

 

[1048576]

No, he wouldn't. Only by the Scrubbiest of regions.

Since when is overccentralization not a valid ban criteria? It's why every banned character ever was banned. The game devolved into X vs. X dittos.

 

[Melomaniacal]

The biggest example I can think of of of the top of my head would be just chain grabs that some of the cast can do, any glitches that should obviously not exist, or annoying combos that lets them do upwards 150 damage to you without being hit once. That last one might just be differences in skills though, since one of the former biggest examples was a grab, then up smash, then aether, then semi jab combo then grab an Ike used to do to me before I learned to Di and rely on my aerials. I've also had a couple of problems with Game and Watch doing that with his flag, chair, and fireman, although stunning his butt with the Paralyzer fixes him right up.

Okay, chaingrabs. The only chaingrabs that are arguably "cheap" are IC's and DDD's (maybe Pikas on Fox). DDD's being the only one that's arguably "unfair" (I'm sorry, there is nothing unfair about the IC's chaingrabs).
There are absolutely no combos that exist in Brawl that can bring you to 150% without being touched. It is not possible, unless your opponent literally drops their controller and leaves the room. It simply does not exist in Brawl. In fact, there are none that can bring you to 100%. There are none that can bring you to 50%, unless your opponent DIs poorly. Combos in Brawl... well, they don't exist.

Okay, maybe 50%. Maybe.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I've actually noticed that more and more as I try harder and get better. Most of these have been things that have kinda stoped happening about a month or so ago, but they were problems that I used to have when I was within my first couple of months of playing.

I hope that these things I keep saying are just the random incidents that come from Wifi battles... If I get my butt kicked that hard in actual tournaments, I'm a discrace. ;.;

 

[Melomaniacal]

Well than, what are these unfair things you keep mentioning? It seems like you're aware that there is no such thing, yet that's a major point you keep making.

Oh, and you'll get your *** kicked in your first tournament. It's almost a guarantee. We all start somewhere, you know . Go in with confidence, but don't expect to win, or you'll just end up disappointed. You want to make sure your first tournament is a good all-around experience.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

That's already happened to me. The first couple of Brawl tournaments made me suck. But then I dominated in one of the Florida tournaments on a vacation, and won a copy of Mario Kart Wii! I suck at Mario Kart though. I'm not a good driver. I wonder what will happen once I start going to Tournaments again. And maybe I am being a little paranoid about the "cheapness". I HAVE MENTAL ISSUES! ;.; But hey, I'm sure everyone suffers a little bit from attention deficit hyperactivity dis - OH LOOK! A PUPPY!