Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[#HBC | J]

Soooo now I'm out of games so I'll focus on this one later tonight.

 

[Dooms]

I hope you put up a vote soon.

Also keep in mind that July viewed without saying anything.

Why does that matter?

 

[July]

The talk between Sang and AA read to me as obv town, or just really cute.

EBR's vote on Ranmaru and his explanation for voting him is warranted for their own reasons, however, ranmaru is using this in a pro-town manner AND using this strategy used by a player who was town in the game he is using it from, i should know because i lurk his MS games.

vote on TCat makes me want to puke however, but i'm just gonna get myself a paper bag.

SMoth could be scum, hasn't spoken up yet, i'm fine with swissai's vote on him.

that's about it.

Vote: Jerkus

I agree with this about Ran, the questions aren't really going to stimulate deep conversation but RVS v. RQS I'd prefer RQS anyways and I think Ran had pro-town intentions with it of getting conversation going. Shadow Moth had that post voting Swiss for faking a posting restriction...understand the pressure on him, pretty null on him until he posts and explains it though and deals with the concerns addressed at him.

Why Nabe over others?

@Everyone who answered Ran's questions, why did you answer it?

Because I didn't mind answering them, if there were any questions I thought could be used for scummy purposes I wouldn't have answered but I didn't reveal anything people don't know from playing with me anyways.

Those answers really went nowhere besides the third one. *shrug* Lemme clarify so I can get a better answer. What is your opinion of Ryu based on how he interacted with Ran? How are Gova/Raz any different from a majority of the players in this game that are lazy?

Fair enough on the EBR thing, who do you not like the most so far?

What would you personally like to see July (and now Acro ) comment on? Do you think the attack on Moth is plausible? What do you think of the way it's being pushed?

Not sure if the last part of this is addressed to me or Circus but I'll answer it anyways :D I think that pressure on Shadow Moth is reasonable, I think that its being pushed kinda harsh though. I think that calling Shadow Moth scum at this point is definitely a stretch, considering he hasn't responded to any pressure yet.

I'm not Swiss, but I am gonna jump in here real quick. WRT the underlined, you know this for certain? And why so hung up on Shadow Moth getting some attention?

Other than this, I subscribe to a lot of your opinions here.

Shadow Moth, are you keeping up with the thread?

July, make some noise if you're alive. I know this is a private game, but these Day phases aren't long enough for you to be taking three days off.

@July stuff: Don't care; anything. Opinions on EBR, Ryu, Ran, whoever. Same for Acro. Also kind of curious why July would apparently choose you to handhold with when she considers you the hardest player to read in this game, but I don't know if that answer would actually help me figure her out better. I just wonder.

Rawr. I know you were hoping for dolphin noises but...that's hard.

Also sorry to Nabe and to everyone for being absent, honestly that time went by really fast but I'll be more attentive from now on.

I would handhold with J just because I have fun playing with J and if J is town I usually understand and agree with his line of thinking. And just because he's the hardest to read doesn't mean I won't be able to read him eventually, but Ran I can get a read on pretty quick...J is one that even when I lean a certain way with him I keep an eye on him for a while.

EBR's preliminary suspicions are warranted, but I know they have played with Ran and would like to see more of a case from them and an updated read from them if they choose to keep their vote on Ran. Overall leaning town on them but want to see more from them wrt Ran.

Red Ryu I have a town read on so far, he actually explained his issues with Ran's questions and he's applied pressure. Want to see where he goes voting wise but other than that, he's good.

Ran is tentatively a town read, although I have a lot of issues with his reads, and I would like him to clarify, especially in this post:

Course you don't.

• You are being very fence sitty. You are trying to attack Gova and Raziek because you'd think they are most likely town who seem scummy to you and are safe bets for not attacking your own scum mates. You do the same with July too.
  
• You don't really have a read on Swords, because you think he's scum, but with you. You have RR as town because people find him scummy, and he can possibly be your mate.
  
  [*]most of everyone has been defending me. You and Swords think I'm your scum mate thus you are ok with agreeing with Swords that I'm just being me. I just seem to be scummy because of my playstyle and how I don't communicate well.
  
• Swords attacked Kuz/Ryker with bad reasoning. Swords most likely thought EBR was right (which he wasn't) and attacked him to get heat off me. I liked their attack and was town motivated in my POV. Swords fence sat as well and picked Kuzi hydra to attack. You are trying to distance off of Swords by disagreeing with his EBR read, without really giving a read on EBR.
  
  [*]Soup is possible scum because he seemed to find my questioning pro-town. (Course it was tho) He's the most legit though so I wouldn't really suspect him unless I ran out of leads.
  
• I believe Sang is newbie scum looking for her partner. I think the Sang v Joey is a good example of this. I don't know what exactly she was trying to get at.
  
• J is town because he is looking for what I'm looking for. (I think) He's essentially looking for scum TRAITORS.

I still don't like TCat not posting much content but I'll keep a null read on her for now and I fully expect CONTENTTTTT. GIMMEH COOKIEZ


Everyone, keep in mind that scum have to be active so they can find their mates. So essentially I don't think lurkiness is much of a tell early on when the themes still not guessed right.

AND GUESS WHAT. I GUESSED IT N0 AND GOT IT WRONG. LOLZ

What do your first two points even mean? And the italicized point just doesn't make sense, I absolutely agree with Soup's reasoning and having been in a game with you where RQS was used and worked relatively well I'm not surprised to see you use it here.

My problem with your reads is that you seem to be focused on scum looking for their partners and all I see are scum via connections and mostly rooted in assumptions about scum hunting for scummates which we aren't even sure is the case.

IGMEOY Joey. I feel like a lot of your points, like your reasons for not liking some of Ran's questions, come right from other people's thoughts and opinions. Can you give me your read on Soup?

Vote: Gova

No posts that I remember other than that nothing was happening, would like at least one scum pick from him and why.

Also, @Ran: I was making dinner and trying to post at the same time but that was a very stupid plan.

 

[Dooms]

Oh course they did July. Why should I have to make up new reasons when the ones on the table are legit enough and are part of why I realized that the questions were anti-town? Although, I only took reasons from Red Ryu, since his point was really true and it made a lot of sense. Of course, the points I listed apply to multiple questions.

Soup is a null, since I don't remember him saying anything worthwhile. May read back later and try to re-read him and get something but at the time I'm leaving it as a null.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

alright, things are kicking back up a bit, and i've died in some games, i'm gonna focus my
attention on this game until then.
I agree with you 100% july with ran, and actually, i'm glad you agree with me too, but yes, there are some things that bother me about ranmaru, but i don't think that weighs with some other people.

a good example of that would be circus, i was fine with him until his vote on Ranmaru, and stating that he thought he found a slip on ran when he was talking about how mafia didn't know their partners, it reads reach to me in that example, but..i can't be selectively accusatory, circus probably just didn't read the thread rules, as shown that it was indeed in the thread rules, but i do have some questions pertaining to his pressure of ranmaru, which i'll get to in a moment.

i'm not sure if i like J, i would expect J to be more a presence, and would like to see him follow up on his questions.

I kinda do like my vote on SMoth, swiss influenced or not, it would be great to see him peek in here and see how he responds, because if i unvote i'm afraid he'll just continue to lurk.

 

[July]

@Joey: I actually like that answer lol, very honest at least.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

July, your opinion of red ruy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR. Because I saw nothing wrong with his questions.

Ok.

im asian and haven't played any actual games with you, since i replaced in touhou years after you left it

@RR, you know nabe's the mod, right?

I derped.

Because he asked a question and its respectful of me to answer them (plus I didn't see anything wrong with them at the time).

Fair enough.

I answered them purely because I felt like answering them cuz they seemed fun. *shrug*

Also I am kind of chuckling at the people who keep saying "Wow this game is slow/nothing's going on." but not doing anything to help it move forward.

Sang, tell me what you think of Swiss and his reasoning for EBR suspicion? Could you agree to this?

I don't like this answer. Seems more like you didn't care.

I personally got discussion started. There was no leads for me to use.

And it worked. Even Swords was able to get a read on EBR from it.

I got weak reads, though. Thus why I'm voting TC now.



It's not about 'singling out' the interaction between you and me. That's me giving an example of what I was trying to do for the Town. Of course I knew you were joking, I was still trying to get discussion from it. A spark per say.


The last question I didn't intend for any other purpose other than pure mafia theory discussion. Generally some players try to avoid night kills, which is a bad mind set. Thus I asked that because Scumhunting is a priority to me.

Ermm, wait you thought it would help you figure out players over while the question wouldn't role-fish?

Ah ok. So what is your read on Swords based on that? J and EBR?

I think J and EBR are town. I think you are scum, and so is Swords.

Possible scum behind Circus and Swords: Red Ryu, Sang, Soup.

Unvote Vote: Circus

OMGUS? Looks like it here.

Course you don't.

• You are being very fence sitty. You are trying to attack Gova and Raziek because you'd think they are most likely town who seem scummy to you and are safe bets for not attacking your own scum mates. You do the same with July too.
  
• You don't really have a read on Swords, because you think he's scum, but with you. You have RR as town because people find him scummy, and he can possibly be your mate.
  
• most of everyone has been defending me. You and Swords think I'm your scum mate thus you are ok with agreeing with Swords that I'm just being me. I just seem to be scummy because of my playstyle and how I don't communicate well.
  
• Swords attacked Kuz/Ryker with bad reasoning. Swords most likely thought EBR was right (which he wasn't) and attacked him to get heat off me. I liked their attack and was town motivated in my POV. Swords fence sat as well and picked Kuzi hydra to attack. You are trying to distance off of Swords by disagreeing with his EBR read, without really giving a read on EBR.
  
• Soup is possible scum because he seemed to find my questioning pro-town. (Course it was tho) He's the most legit though so I wouldn't really suspect him unless I ran out of leads.
  
• I believe Sang is newbie scum looking for her partner. I think the Sang v Joey is a good example of this. I don't know what exactly she was trying to get at.
  
• J is town because he is looking for what I'm looking for. (I think) He's essentially looking for scum TRAITORS.

I still don't like TCat not posting much content but I'll keep a null read on her for now and I fully expect CONTENTTTTT. GIMMEH COOKIEZ


Everyone, keep in mind that scum have to be active so they can find their mates. So essentially I don't think lurkiness is much of a tell early on when the themes still not guessed right.

AND GUESS WHAT. I GUESSED IT N0 AND GOT IT WRONG. LOLZ

...say wat? Why did you reveal the last part? Not like it matters since that is doesn't tell me your alignment so it's null.

I don't get where Circus+Ryu came from at all. Where did the fence sitting come from either?

Joey, I'm not trying to reach. I don't think your scum, I think you aren't sure who to look for like you said. Just think about what I said really hard.

Let me rephrase on Soup. He understood what I was trying to do. So most likely his defense was the most legit but could have thought I was his scum bud.



That's the rule there... But I just realized Nabe saying he wouldn't reveal if they knew their partners or not. ;-;

Because of that, I'd concede to my rr, sang, and soup reads. But I'll keep Swords and Circus as scum reads. (Because Circus has been very fence sitty, and Swords attack on EBR was bad)

DH:

• So? I'm pretty sure he can get an opinion from his post, because I can get one. It has alot of content. I do think Circus and Swords are scum individually.
  
• I did. He found RR to be town from his interaction with me. But he hasn't had a 'read' on me yet. See that? What is your read on Circus?
  
• Essentially Swords and Circus have been making excuses for me using my meta. I'm saying that I find it weird my wagon didn't speed up.
  
• It doesn't, but I'm not scum so that doesn't matter to me. It means they think I'm scum with them. Because I thought it was a scum traitor trying to defend their 'scumpick'. Yes, it is scum defending town. His attack on EBR was bad. Tell me, what was your thoughts on Swords attack there?
  
• Essentially, I have played with scum traitors on skype mafia. I remember being scum and someone found me scummy, but another didn't, even though he'd most likely agree. (I was told there was a traitor in town, just not WHO) He KNEW it was me, so he disagreed with anyone's attacks on me. Then, in lylo, he voted the town guy and so did I. : D
  
• This is what I'm thinking here. I'm sorry if you don't see my pov.
  
• I was stating that it would be possible Soup might have thought I was his scumbud and would then give me the benefit of the doubt. But I think it's soup just understanding me so I had him as least suspicious, but I just realized that the mod would not reveal if scum knew their partners, so I concede my scumreads on RR, Sang, and Soup based on what I posted.

Ok. What is your read on Circus and Swords? I'll re-evaluate for sure.

Didn't you just say Soup was possible scum then you flipped on that and said you don't?

Then you drop your scum picks because of a point I fail to see would matter at this point.

unvote
Vote: Ranmaru

 

[July]

@Soup: Circus I feel has been stimulating conversation and while I disagree with the fact that it was a scum slip, I think that he has at least been scumhunting. Not so sure about his intentions, but for now I think that he is contributing and actually providing support for his accusations so I'm alright with him.

Red Ryu is a town read for me, he was one of the few people to actually explain what they thought was wrong with Ran's questions and his reasons made sense. I agree with Joey, they were good answers, I just disagree with them. I also feel like he has been putting pressure without just accusing and attacking, also things I like so far.

I agree that J just hasn't stood out to me yet, null on J right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

circus, what i'm most concerned of is that you read ran as ran for a bit hence, your 122, but that all turns to mush after you think you're getting a mafia slip from wrt things already explained in my above post.

so, minus that whole thing, but it's trash bud, give me your read now related to his pushes on you.

 

[July]

As I'm ninja'd by RR voting Ran lol, but still he made his suspicions clear wrt Ran well before this, still leaning town on him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

gorfdamnit

i'm going to be honest and say i'm against this ranmaru pressure, it's a very easy wagon to join, the hard part is getting off of it.

ranmaru now has 7 votes on him, and each passing one is rubbin' me the wrong way...

Yeah i do agree on that part July, RR feels most legitimate with his suspiscions.

brb checkin' votecount

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

10/18 to lynch.

Ranmaru [5]: Acrostic, July, EBR!, Joey, Dark Horse
Swiss [2]: Shadow Moth
Circus [2]: J, Ranmaru
J [2]: SangfroidWarrior, Swiss
Joey [1]: Red Ryu
Acrostic [1]: Gova
EBR! [1]: Sworddancer
Soupamario [1]: asianaussie
Shadow Moth [1]: Soupamario
SangfroidWarrior [1]: Circus

Not voting: Raziek, traveling cat

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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > Shadow Moth > J
Joey > Shadow Moth > Ranmaru
Gova > Acrostic
Acrostic > Ranmaru
Circus > SangfroidWarrior
Raziek
Red Ryu > Joey
July > Ranmaru
EBR! > Ranmaru
Dark Horse > Ranmaru
Soupamario > EBR! > Circus > Shadow Moth
Sworddancer > Swiss > EBR!
Ranmaru > traveling cat > traveling cat > Circus
J > Circus
asianaussie > Soupamario
Shadow Moth > Joey > Swiss
SangfroidWarrior > J
traveling cat
[/collapse]

hmm.......

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

alot of these votes are RVS, or atleast the ones not on ran, perhaps i am having a blind eye to the wagon, and i'm reading the people who are pressuring ran to be more town then the people not pressuring anyone or anything at all, and just have their vote idling.

that really blows what i wanna say with circus, but to be honest atleast he is doing something

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote
Vote: EBR

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBR is right about ranmaru, and the vote is warranted, but it's just..shallow, per se, anyone else getting those vibes?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Godamnit Soupbyt!

what the (oh boy I just censor dodged so hard) far you did?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i'm voting yo u

 

[Shadow Moth]

Godamnit Soupbyt!

what the (oh boy I just censor dodged so hard) far you did?

But Ryker, Mafiashot does not work that way!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

But Ryker, Mafiashot does not work that way!

But is the most dangerous criminalia scum of the new jamican!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

MOTH!

yo, catch and give me thoughts, also read on EBR too, i keep trying to do something legitimate but there isn't **** to work with so it's like pissing in an ocean of piss.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

sold edit my grREamer mostskes plaese 2

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Funny I dislike both people voting Circus.

 

[Shadow Moth]

-action schwrtzneguer rambo music rolls -

Unvote

Let's do this.

The figure squinted through the murky darkness, lost in the amnesia of his past, the fog of the charade.

Did the one who calls himself Ranmaru drag us out of RVS in order to cast us into RQS? Foul things afoot, why did Eruption say naught and merely try to emphasise his prescence? Suspicious.



Shudder.

A cold chill ascended the figure's spine, icy hands clawed out as if to part flesh from bone.

Why did this Moth, this flea of contempt, attack him so? Why echo the words of a clown before him? A clown known to be sour and sultry over his mistreatment at the hands of the figure. Mischief.

Vote: Shadow Moth

I may be blind, yet my eyes see all
I may be crippled, but I still stand tall

The figure was peturbed at the lack of information flowing. Why so little?

OMGUS for a (now confirmed) RVS vote. I don't care if someone fakes a restriction as long as they make it work. Already not liking Swiss.

Shadow Moth, is your Swiss vote for real-real or for play-play?

As I implied in my response to the above quote, it was just "play-play."

Slow, sickly. This game was ill, and he was the cure.

The figure pondered. Wondered.

asianaussie - My memory fades, remind me of yourself.
Shadow Moth - Scum, alas.
SangfroidWarrior - A mystery, a shadow. Unknown experience.
traveling cat - A mystery, a shadow. Unknown experience.

Swiss has me pegged as scum when I've made a whopping total of 2 posts. How can you be so sure? What's your reasoning? Why are your only other reads about not knowing who people are?

Those are all serious questions and I expect them answered.

Unvote Vote J

Sudden vote hop for no apparent reason.

If I were scum I would screen shot and kill you for that.

You are not dead, you know I am town.

Vote who I vote, do as I do, think as I think, win as I win.

Asking people to blindly follow him. Might just be fluff but I still don't like it.

10/18 to lynch.

Ranmaru [5]: Acrostic, July, EBR!, Joey, Dark Horse
Swiss [2]: Shadow Moth
Circus [2]: J, Ranmaru
J [2]: SangfroidWarrior, Swiss
Joey [1]: Red Ryu
Acrostic [1]: Gova
EBR! [1]: Sworddancer
Soupamario [1]: asianaussie
Shadow Moth [1]: Soupamario
SangfroidWarrior [1]: Circus

Not voting: Raziek, traveling cat

@Mod: Do you confirm or deny that the votecount is entirely accurate, with specific reference to how many votes Swiss has?

MOTH!

yo, catch and give me thoughts, also read on EBR too, i keep trying to do something legitimate but there isn't **** to work with so it's like pissing in an ocean of piss.

>asking me to read EBR
>he has a whole four posts, three of which are fluff.
>trying to do something "legitimate"
>he still only has ONE REAL POST

I'd also like you to note that I didn't find that post scummy at all. It's a null tell but it certainly makes me like EBR (who I will henceforth refer to as Ryker!) a bit more this game.

Really not liking Swiss.

Vote: Swiss

 

[#HBC | J]

*cracks knuckles*

Seems people want me to do something, well aight then July/Soupa. Brb, nailing the scum-team(or a majority) in these few posts in just a sec.

 

[#HBC | J]

Funny I dislike both people voting Circus.

Question, what is there to dislike of me? You've made it known you dislike Ran but I've yet to see a post directed at me.

If you haven't realized, working backwards from posts.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

First off, unvote

I don't like having my vote on J and it's long past overdue to unvote an RVS vote. Regardless...

@Everyone voting Ran atm. Could you explain to me why you're voting him?

Course you don't.

• I believe Sang is newbie scum looking for her partner. I think the Sang v Joey is a good example of this. I don't know what exactly she was trying to get at.

What exactly are you getting at here? He said something that I was confused about, I asked him, he answered. It seemed like he didn't like the questions when he answered that and I wanted clarification on what he didn't like.

@J. Who, out of Swiss and Ran, do you think are scum?

@July. Can you remind me why your voting Gova?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Question, what is there to dislike of me? You've made it known you dislike Ran but I've yet to see a post directed at me.

If you haven't realized, working backwards from posts.

You read my earlier post, my dislike of you comes from why you answered Ran's questions, when he made it clear what his intent was.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Swiss. Could you reiterate why you're voting J?

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't like this answer. Seems more like you didn't care.

You mean this. If you are then yes. I didn't care whatsoever. I was bored and saw them so I was like "why the hell not?" so I did it. If that's why you dislike me, then I'm okay with this.

 

[#HBC | J]

If I had to choose between Swiss and Ran based on their posts now, I'd go Swiss. Just because his posts are a whole lot of nulls and pretty much not doing anything besides him doing things that seems random. Ran, on the other hand, I see more of a town intent behind his posts because he seems to be trying to find scum and I don't think his "slip" Circus has pointed out is really a slip.

 

[#HBC | J]

July's Gova vote seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed like an easy way to apply pressure. Can you show why you choose Gova over others who have the same problem?

Then there's your Joey thing which I would like for you to explain more.

However, I did like the exchange between her and Soupa. Hmm....

 

[#HBC | J]

Seemed I skipped over Moth's post but let me fix that error.

Not really getting what he doesn't seem to like about Swiss that would stem a strong dislike of him. It seems more of a backlash to him that looks more like OMGUS/a bit defenisve to a small act of one vote, asking others to vote him.

Moth, do you really believe Swiss voted you because of OMGUS as his signature reasoning? Can you also tell me the major reason for your Swiss dislike because it seems to get obscured(well for me) as to why you are disliking him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You mean this. If you are then yes. I didn't care whatsoever. I was bored and saw them so I was like "why the hell not?" so I did it. If that's why you dislike me, then I'm okay with this.

I'll chalk it up as boredum.

So J, How about Ran himself, compared to Swiss you would pick Swiss over him. Do you feel as though Ran is giving more than Swiss is and or playing better?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll chalk it up as boredum.

Good man! ^^

So J, How about Ran himself, compared to Swiss you would pick Swiss over him. Do you feel as though Ran is giving more than Swiss is and or playing better?

Ran himself, as I said above, is leaning town at the current time. I don't think that's the right way to describe the comparison to playing better. Swiss hasn't even fully begun playing. However, content wise, yes Ran has given more to work with. There really wouldn't be a wagon of 6 people at this point if there was nothing there like from Swiss.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Mod: Do you confirm or deny that the votecount is entirely accurate, with specific reference to how many votes Swiss has?[/COLOR]

Votecount 1-3 has been edited!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 1-4

10/18 to lynch.

Ranmaru [6]: Acrostic, EBR!, Joey, Dark Horse, Circus, Red Ryu
Circus [2]: J, Ranmaru
EBR! [2]: Sworddancer, Soupamario
Swiss [1]: Shadow Moth
Gova [1]: July
Acrostic [1]: Gova
Soupamario [1]: asianaussie
J [1]: Swiss

Not voting: Raziek, SangfroidWarrior, traveling cat

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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > Shadow Moth > J
Joey > Shadow Moth > Ranmaru
Gova > Acrostic
Acrostic > Ranmaru
Circus > SangfroidWarrior > Ranmaru
Raziek
Red Ryu > Joey > Ranmaru
July > Ranmaru > Gova
EBR! > Ranmaru
Dark Horse > Ranmaru
Soupamario > EBR! > Circus > Shadow Moth > EBR!
Sworddancer > Swiss > EBR!
Ranmaru > traveling cat > traveling cat > Circus
J > Circus
asianaussie > Soupamario
Shadow Moth > Joey > Swiss > Swiss
SangfroidWarrior > J > Unvote
traveling cat
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Note: A gentle reminder to please post in-hydra for hydra slots whenever possible -- fyi I don't really care but if people start complaining then asdiohshrug.jpg

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I am not voting anyone until Ran explains himself.

I can see town Ran doing this. But I want to hear his reasoning.

I don't always use my vote like that so, dealwithit.png

You're almost never going to be voting anyone going down this line of reasoning though. Almost all of the time, you're going to be in a situation where you could see them doing that as a townie, especially on Day 1. You can change your vote at any time, so why not vote now?

Sang, tell me what you think of Swiss and his reasoning for EBR suspicion? Could you agree to this?

You're reffering to men not Swiss, correct?

Draw a night kill, or catch scum?

Simply because of what Red Ryu said and it being Power role fishing.

Well, just to clarify, the scum interpretation of this is more along the lines of vt fishing, which I guess could be thought of as indirect pr fishing. Not really anything too relevant, but I just just felt like pointing this out.

I'm not Swiss, but I am gonna jump in here real quick. WRT the underlined, you know this for certain? And why so hung up on Shadow Moth getting some attention?

Other than this, I subscribe to a lot of your opinions here.

Shadow Moth, are you keeping up with the thread?

July, make some noise if you're alive. I know this is a private game, but these Day phases aren't long enough for you to be taking three days off.

Well, of course I don't know Moth's intentions for certain, I'm simply stating it as it appears to me. I'm not bothered by Moth getting attention, I'm bothered by Swiss having his vote on him for the reasons he has despite other things he has pointed out.

Swords, you say EBR's Ran vote looks bad but you don't say why. So why is it bad? Are you referring to the logic used that what they are preaching is full of WIFOM and bad-reasoning?

Tell me what you get out of the Sang slot and the Joey slot? What does there back and forth do for you?

Swiss, lay me a few italics as to why others should vote Moth with you. Is it because he isn't wanting you to have fun? =P

Yes I do, it's at the very beginning of my 104. >.>

What he proposes, besides from probably simply being impossible, is overly elaborate. What scum would ever really try to pull of such a ridiculous plan? We don't exist in a comic book world here, Batman gambits usually don't really play a role in our lifes.

Also again, he's accusing Ran of doing something which Ran always does.

About Joey/Sang interaction: I didn't really get anything from it. Sang's questioning useless. I don't see how anyone could of gained any valuable information from what happened. Sang's slightly suspicious for this, but I'm not thinking too much of it honestly.

Now a question for you J. What do you think of Sang? You're her friend, and you modded a game with her in it, knowing her alignment the entire time you went along. So, keeping the fact that you probably know sang the best, what do you think of her?

Ah ok. So what is your read on Swords based on that? J and EBR?

I think J and EBR are town. I think you are scum, and so is Swords.

Possible scum behind Circus and Swords: Red Ryu, Sang, Soup.

Unvote Vote: Circus

My goodness this came entirely out of the blue. Um, pretty much what Circus saids below is my response, so yeah.

Course you don't.

You are being very fence sitty. You are trying to attack Gova and Raziek because you'd think they are most likely town who seem scummy to you and are safe bets for not attacking your own scum mates. You do the same with July too.
You don't really have a read on Swords, because you think he's scum, but with you. You have RR as town because people find him scummy, and he can possibly be your mate.
most of everyone has been defending me. You and Swords think I'm your scum mate thus you are ok with agreeing with Swords that I'm just being me. I just seem to be scummy because of my playstyle and how I don't communicate well.
Swords attacked Kuz/Ryker with bad reasoning. Swords most likely thought EBR was right (which he wasn't) and attacked him to get heat off me. I liked their attack and was town motivated in my POV. Swords fence sat as well and picked Kuzi hydra to attack. You are trying to distance off of Swords by disagreeing with his EBR read, without really giving a read on EBR.
Soup is possible scum because he seemed to find my questioning pro-town. (Course it was tho) He's the most legit though so I wouldn't really suspect him unless I ran out of leads.
I believe Sang is newbie scum looking for her partner. I think the Sang v Joey is a good example of this. I don't know what exactly she was trying to get at.
J is town because he is looking for what I'm looking for. (I think) He's essentially looking for scum TRAITORS.


I still don't like TCat not posting much content but I'll keep a null read on her for now and I fully expect CONTENTTTTT. GIMMEH COOKIEZ


Everyone, keep in mind that scum have to be active so they can find their mates. So essentially I don't think lurkiness is much of a tell early on when the themes still not guessed right.

AND GUESS WHAT. I GUESSED IT N0 AND GOT IT WRONG. LOLZ

How is my actual reasoning bad? How was I fence sitting at all? Or are you taking your scum read back from me (that's what it seems like as of late)?

@Swiss's 131 & 132: Um, could you give a bit less cryptic reasoning as to why you're voting J (tbh, I'm just kinda assuming here that your 132 is explanation, but really I don't even know).

@Swiss: Still want thoughts on Ran btw.

EBR is right about ranmaru, and the vote is warranted, but it's just..shallow, per se, anyone else getting those vibes?

I think more reaching than shallow. Not that I mind you voting him, please do, but why shallow?

Random thoughts:

J's early play was way too question-based and giggily, without stances. I'll be waiting for them J.

Still want EBR to post, until the the vote remain indefinitely unless it needs to be moved for a lynch.

Swiss is being somewhat cryptic (and I'm not just talking about his posting style, I'm just generally having trouble seeing his reasoning for things) which is worrisome, but I'm not too worried about him.

Raziek/Acrostic/Gova/TC/AA just coasting by. Bleck. Too many inactives this game (which, in all honesty, I'm probably guilty for to, but hey, I'm trying now).

Sang not really doing anything productive either and that's just bleck.

@Everyone: Who else has enough balls to vote EBR? If you're not suspicious of him, than tell me why now, or direct me to where you said you didn't want to vote him for connivance so we can discuss this now.

 

[July]

July's Gova vote seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed like an easy way to apply pressure. Can you show why you choose Gova over others who have the same problem?

Then there's your Joey thing which I would like for you to explain more.

However, I did like the exchange between her and Soupa. Hmm....

Honestly a lot of the players who are active I like or at least I like parts of their play. Swiss is at least giving reads, Circus is trying to stimulate conversation, Ran started RQS and it looked like he genuinely wanted to get content going, EBR's suspicions of Ran are warranted (although I disagree with him) but I want to see where he goes from there with his suspicions, Red Ryu has been asking questions and pushing Ran without really accusing him and he looks like he's legit in trying to get a read on him, Soup I think is looking at intent and I agree with his read on Ran, and you are just null because I've seen you posting but I don't remember much other than some back and forth with Circus. And...those are most of the active players, all of which range from null to town reads for me, so for now I want to look into the people with a little less to say or that stood out to me for questionable motives:

Joey- Some of his comments so far just give me a really bad vibe, but this one is really based on gut. He answered the questions but then when there was some backlash about them he really seemed to just follow along with RR, and I asked him about that and...well he said yeah, because they were good answers...not the answer I expected, but an honest answer, and I can't fault him for that.

Gova- Has six posts, but there are people with only 2 or 3 posts that have more content than him :-/ RVS vote, random comment, two comments and a pic @mod, and then the comment that he is checking in and nothing is happening. At that point Ran had posted his set of questions, EBR had rebutted, RR had provided his reasons for disliking the questions, and Gova provided input on none of that.

Acrostic- Two posts, RVS and response to prod. Painfully null.

Raziek- Also null. I want to see where he goes with the "scum slip" on Ran and his suspicions of Ran in general, since Ran is the only thing I've seen him post on.

Dark Horse- Has also focused his posts solely on Ran, his reasoning for his vote on him addresses some questions I had about Ran's list of points against people though. Once again I want to see where DH goes from here with his supicions, but of all the contributors to the Ran wagon, the thing with DH's post is that I question his sincerity of believing Ran is scum.

Sworddancer- Only had one post content wise but I really liked it, and I like that he looked at the EBR/Ran thing from both sides and wasn't afraid to question EBR about their read on Ran and Ran on his behavior in general, while still making his reads clear.

asianaussie- Most memorable thing was aa and Sang's discussion, which was null and he said himself it was null. Most recent post tells Ran to make sense, which is fair but I don't know if that means Ran is a scum pick for him or not so I would like to see at least one scum pick from him.

Shadow Moth- Took a lot of heat right away for his vote on Swiss which was bordering between a real vote and "play" vote, which he just said was a play vote. I think he deserved some of the pressure, especially from Swiss since it started out because of Swiss' fake posting restriction. His latest post he unvotes Swiss...then votes Swiss again, and his points in green are strange, they feel like they are taking shots at Soup and EBR but I'm honestly not sure what he's getting at. Null scum right now.

SangfroidWarrior- Also most memorable for her conversation with aa, but I reread her and she's asking questions and actually trying to get people to substantiate their reads which a lot of people haven't or they've disagreed with Ran but haven't been clear if they are suspicious of him or not. So it looks like she's trying to get some more content out her, and I like that.

traveling cat- Has only one post so far, and is also painfully null.

I think the biggest issue I'm having right now is that a lot of people are just throwing around suspicions of Ran or expressing discontent with him but not really substantiating it. People need to clarify vague discontent/suspicions into whether or not they think Ran is scum.

Errr, that started out as me responding to J and turned into me evaluating my reads on the player list. So yeah, hopefully I answered your questions there J

 

[Shadow Moth]

Seemed I skipped over Moth's post but let me fix that error.

Not really getting what he doesn't seem to like about Swiss that would stem a strong dislike of him. It seems more of a backlash to him that looks more like OMGUS/a bit defenisve to a small act of one vote, asking others to vote him.

Moth, do you really believe Swiss voted you because of OMGUS as his signature reasoning? Can you also tell me the major reason for your Swiss dislike because it seems to get obscured(well for me) as to why you are disliking him.

I think his first vote was OMGUS. The rest of the play is pretty nonsensical and I don't like it. Not to mention he lists me as scum in one of his posts with absolutely no reasoning, and then proceeds to switch his vote to J later, not only dropping my pressure for no apparent reason but also not giving a reason for his vote on J.

To me his whole play looks like "I'll lynch you if you don't agree with me so just do what I say while I do random ****."