Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[July]

@Swords: I agree that I want to see more from EBR, such as answers to outstanding questions and an updated read on Ran. If I'm not satisfied with their responses or if they don't respond then I would be willing to vote EBR.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Sang not really doing anything productive either and that's just bleck.

I'm trying to get people to answer a few questions I have atm.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm trying to get people to answer a few questions I have atm.

It's not much what you're doing, but perhaps I shouldn't have phased like I did. Basically, you're just not doing all that much. You haven't really taken stances, either.

Now, forgive me for this very generic question but, who do you think is scum?

 

[Circus]

Holy ****. Thread asploded. Gimme a minute to look through this.

 

[Circus]

a good example of that would be circus, i was fine with him until his vote on Ranmaru, and stating that he thought he found a slip on ran when he was talking about how mafia didn't know their partners, it reads reach to me in that example, but..i can't be selectively accusatory, circus probably just didn't read the thread rules, as shown that it was indeed in the thread rules, but i do have some questions pertaining to his pressure of ranmaru, which i'll get to in a moment.

I think maybe you're confused? I did read the rules; Ran's the one who didn't read or misunderstood them. That's where this whole slip business comes into play. According to the mod info given to us, we don't know whether or not the mafia know who their scummates are. Until recently, Ran's aparently been operating under the belief that every member of the mafia is basically a Traitor who needs to find their fellow mafiats—in fact, that's pretty much the basis for every scum pick he mentioned in his 127. This is a weird thing for a townie to just assume on their own, to me. And now that he basically has no reason to suspect any of his previous suspects, he apparently still thinks Swords and I are scum for...literally, no given reason.

Am I certain Ran is scum? No. As you pointed out, I'm willing to believe that Ran is just being Ran, to a certain extent. And seeing Ran's wagon build like this does make me a little nervous, even though I'm on it. Seeing Dark Horse pop out of nowhere just to throw a vote on Ran when he already had 4 on him, and then recede back into the shadows...I'd be lying if I said things like that sit completely right with me, even though I agree with what he's saying. But to brush off this particular gaff on "Ran just being Ran," is foolish in my opinion. It's shady, and people should be recognizing it, even if he doesn't end up being the lynch toDay (though I think he'd be a good choice).

Ranmaru, my 155 had some real questions in it, and I'd like them answered if that's cool.

I'm also just gonna take a moment right now to say that Raziek is looking like a special kind of coaster in this game to me. He has popped up a couple of times to agree or disagree with something, then disappeared into the crowd again without expanding on what he said or provoking any responses out of anyone, or acting on things he apparently finds at least a little bit fishy. I get the feeling he's trying to avoid attention by not getting deeply involved in discussion while also not being "the guy who never posts", but he's actually garnering a lot in my mind. But not in a good way.

Oh, and Acrostic, travelling cat and ausianausse are completely nonexistent in this game. Vig, feel free to do your thing, if you've got the power.

 

[asianaussie]

not fully caught up but i will say that all the nonsense about ran's RQS proposal has been blown way out of proportion, the only attack on it that doesn't seem reaching is RR's

even so, ran's defence of it seems incredibly patchy in comparison, and he's a guy who plays a lot on instinct iirc...normally i would put this out as town, but he has no scumbud communication this time around, so after some ups and downs, its a resounding null

stop trying to direct the vig, and why haven't you tossed raziek in as a possible vig candidate

will vote after i read everything

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ah jerkus, i was confused, because really i didn't even read that part myself so i was just leaning on what ranmaru said about it so i just thought "oh maybe he didn't read the rules" but..

I did read the rules; Ran's the one who didn't read or misunderstood them. That's where this whole slip business comes into play. According to the mod info given to us, we don't know whether or not the mafia know who their scummates are. Until recently, Ran's aparently been operating under the belief that every member of the mafia is basically a Traitor who needs to find their fellow mafiats—in fact, that's pretty much the basis for every scum pick he mentioned in his 127. This is a weird thing for a townie to just assume on their own, to me. And now that he basically has no reason to suspect any of his previous suspects, he apparently still thinks Swords and I are scum for...literally, no given reason.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Am I certain Ran is scum? No. As you pointed out, I'm willing to believe that Ran is just being Ran, to a certain extent. And seeing Ran's wagon build like this does make me a little nervous, even though I'm on it. Seeing Dark Horse pop out of nowhere just to throw a vote on Ran when he already had 4 on him, and then recede back into the shadows...I'd be lying if I said things like that sit completely right with me, even though I agree with what he's saying. But to brush off this particular gaff on "Ran just being Ran," is foolish in my opinion. It's shady, and people should be recognizing it, even if he doesn't end up being the lynch toDay (though I think he'd be a good choice).

I'm reading that as just Dark Horse's knee jerk attitude, for me atleast.

Yeah, i agree with the bolded, but i'm really feeling that ranmaru town, so consider it a back-door option if things don't speed up and deadline hits us like a freight train.

 

[Gova]

I'm back. Reading up.

 

[Gova]

@Swiss: for all of the things you have pointed out, I feel that your vote should probably be somewhere else besides Moth right now. Moth simply joke voted you, whereas people like RR and Gova/Raziek have actually done things a bit shady. So is the Moth vote still worth it?

@Gova and Raziek: Not true. Stuff has definitely happened, don't be lazy.

Really, I'm shady? You should definitely show what I've done that is shady because I think you're full of it.

I put my shades on one ear at a time. Just like everyone else.



Also, nothing had happened when I posted. Nothing worth commenting on in my opinion as it was all RQS stuff by Ran. If something did happen I would have got asked for an opinion on it most likely.

Vote: Gova
No posts that I remember other than that nothing was happening, would like at least one scum pick from him and why.

Hmmm. I was V/LA during the time of this post but why single one person out of so many...? I would think you might make a general post calling out inactives/lurker/missing people.

i'm going to be honest and say i'm against this ranmaru pressure, it's a very easy wagon to join, the hard part is getting off of it.

What do you mean by this? If you think he's town it shouldn't be hard to unvote him unless you're scum and you can't think of a legit reason to vote someone else.

You mean this. If you are then yes. I didn't care whatsoever. I was bored and saw them so I was like "why the hell not?" so I did it. If that's why you dislike me, then I'm okay with this.

@People who answered Ran's questions. Why did you answer them? I would prefer an answer other than "Just Cause" but if you don't have one that's ok too.

Gova- Has six posts, but there are people with only 2 or 3 posts that have more content than him :-/ RVS vote, random comment, two comments and a pic @mod, and then the comment that he is checking in and nothing is happening. At that point Ran had posted his set of questions, EBR had rebutted, RR had provided his reasons for disliking the questions, and Gova provided input on none of that.

Cool, lying about stuff already. I definitely gave my input even though it was a one liner.

@Circus, with your Ran thing do you think he's scum or town? I thought I saw you waffling saying oh town Ran might have messed up like that or something. Just trying to clarify. Also what do you think about Ran rectifying his mistake before you said you thought it was a slip?

Other people voting Ran should do that too actually. Not sure how many people are on the wagon thinking "oh, he might have done this as either alignment."

Most of the stuff deals with Ran so I figure I need to get a better understanding of the situation.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Gova

The ranmaru wagon has enough justification that it's extremely easy to join, anybody could waltz into the thread and make a half-***** speech then lay their vote on ranmaru and walk out, but the hard part is going such people off of the ranmaru wagon because of that reason, the vote there isn't going to do much, if you're not going to do anything with it.

 

[July]

Hmmm. I was V/LA during the time of this post but why single one person out of so many...? I would think you might make a general post calling out inactives/lurker/missing people.

I didn't see anywhere that you were V/LA so I didn't know that. However, as I explained in my last post you still had less content than some people who posted only two or three times, the only people who have less content than you are Acrostic and TC and they seem to be straight-up inactive so far. You were here the first couple days of the Day at least and still managed to not give your opinion on anything.

Cool, lying about stuff already. I definitely gave my input even though it was a one liner.

Which post was that? The only post I found that takes any kind of stance on anything is this one:

Checking in, nothing has happened. Won't be answering Ran's questions. Ryker's already covered why.

Where you say that nothing is happening, which wasn't true, and then second Ryker's reasons for why you wouldn't answer Ran's questions. That's not giving your input, it's regurgitating Ryker's AND even in this post (#209) I still have no idea what's going on in your head. Do you have scum picks, and if so, who? And what is your read on Ran? You've asked others questions about Ran and the Ran wagon but at the end of this post you infer that you say that you need to get a better understanding of the situation yourself, so I want to know what your opinion is on it.

 

[ranmaru]

Why does that matter?

Would matter to see if she would unvote or leave her vote on me. She was busy though so it doesn't matter anymore. Why do you ask?
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@July:

Because I didn't mind answering them, if there were any questions I thought could be used for scummy purposes I wouldn't have answered but I didn't reveal anything people don't know from playing with me anyways.

Yes I thought you might have said more seeing that you like RQS more. ;-;

Rawr. I know you were hoping for dolphin noises but...that's hard.

SQUEEK. That's a dolphin noise I think.

What do your first two points even mean? And the italicized point just doesn't make sense, I absolutely agree with Soup's reasoning and having been in a game with you where RQS was used and worked relatively well I'm not surprised to see you use it here.

My problem with your reads is that you seem to be focused on scum looking for their partners and all I see are scum via connections and mostly rooted in assumptions about scum hunting for scummates which we aren't even sure is the case.

Those points are irrelevent now. I thought scum didn't know their partners, but I realized that Nabe said he wouldn't reveal if they did or not. So I mis-read that rule. That is why I dropped my scum picks of RR, Sang, and Soup for THOSE reasons.

Also, @Ran: I was making dinner and trying to post at the same time but that was a very stupid plan.

Ah ok thank you for clarifying.
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alright, things are kicking back up a bit, and i've died in some games, i'm gonna focus my
attention on this game until then.
I agree with you 100% july with ran, and actually, i'm glad you agree with me too, but yes, there are some things that bother me about ranmaru, but i don't think that weighs with some other people.

a good example of that would be circus, i was fine with him until his vote on Ranmaru, and stating that he thought he found a slip on ran when he was talking about how mafia didn't know their partners, it reads reach to me in that example, but..i can't be selectively accusatory, circus probably just didn't read the thread rules, as shown that it was indeed in the thread rules, but i do have some questions pertaining to his pressure of ranmaru, which i'll get to in a moment.

i'm not sure if i like J, i would expect J to be more a presence, and would like to see him follow up on his questions.

I kinda do like my vote on SMoth, swiss influenced or not, it would be great to see him peek in here and see how he responds, because if i unvote i'm afraid he'll just continue to lurk.

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@Red Ryu:

Ermm, wait you thought it would help you figure out players over while the question wouldn't role-fish?

No. I have said before I have only hoped for further discussion.

OMGUS? Looks like it here.

How was that omgus?

...say wat? Why did you reveal the last part? Not like it matters since that is doesn't tell me your alignment so it's null.

I didn't really know if that was something we should have talked about or not so I just did. Whatevz.

I don't get where Circus+Ryu came from at all. Where did the fence sitting come from either?

The Circus + RR connections are irrelevant now. I was talking about his #126. Irrelevant now. He only really pushed on Gova and Raz for inactivity, nothing else. Notice how he doesn't really give a read on Swiss, just states that he doesn't have a problem with swiss yet.

For the record, I have a null on swiss.

Didn't you just say Soup was possible scum then you flipped on that and said you don't?

Then you drop your scum picks because of a point I fail to see would matter at this point.

Yes, I don't have soup as a scum pick anymore since some of my points are now irrelevant. I have new leads though that I will follow through with this post and others afterwards.

Underlined, why exactly do you fail to see if it matters at this point?
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@Soup: Circus I feel has been stimulating conversation and while I disagree with the fact that it was a scum slip, I think that he has at least been scumhunting. Not so sure about his intentions, but for now I think that he is contributing and actually providing support for his accusations so I'm alright with him.

If you aren't sure about his intentions, why not ask?
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EBR is right about ranmaru, and the vote is warranted, but it's just..shallow, per se, anyone else getting those vibes?

Not at all, I don't get shallow vibes from him at all.

First off, unvote

I don't like having my vote on J and it's long past overdue to unvote an RVS vote. Regardless...

@Everyone voting Ran atm. Could you explain to me why you're voting him?



What exactly are you getting at here? He said something that I was confused about, I asked him, he answered. It seemed like he didn't like the questions when he answered that and I wanted clarification on what he didn't like.

@J. Who, out of Swiss and Ran, do you think are scum?

@July. Can you remind me why your voting Gova?

Well my first point is irrelevant because I was thinking you might have been looking for a partner, but that was my mistake. xD

Anyways, you don't seem to be doing much. I mean, you wanted clarification on it, but WHY? You said "Ok, thanks" and didn't do anything with it.

I also want to see 2-3 scumpicks, with reasoning. K thx?

July's Gova vote seemed to come out of nowhere and seemed like an easy way to apply pressure. Can you show why you choose Gova over others who have the same problem?

Then there's your Joey thing which I would like for you to explain more.

However, I did like the exchange between her and Soupa. Hmm....

Now that she responded to you, I have to comment. I remember hydraing with her in Into Africa, a game that just now finished on MS. Point is, I got a lot of heat during the RVS for voting someone who self-voted. Anyways, later on she comes in, and votes Peregine, who was lurking and didn't do much. Essentially, she voted someone who she knew wouldn't attack as hard.

So to me, it's a null tell because she usually likes to vote people who are easy to pressure. This is also why she votes me every time in RVS.
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@Swords:

About Joey/Sang interaction: I didn't really get anything from it. Sang's questioning useless. I don't see how anyone could of gained any valuable information from what happened. Sang's slightly suspicious for this, but I'm not thinking too much of it honestly.

I agree with this, good point.

My goodness this came entirely out of the blue. Um, pretty much what Circus saids below is my response, so yeah.

How is my actual reasoning bad? How was I fence sitting at all? Or are you taking your scum read back from me (that's what it seems like as of late)?

Well you state that EBR's vote on me looked bad. Thus that was not good reasoning, because his push seemed legit, although wrong. Essentially, you didn't really look if his intentions were that of scum, but you picked sides. Thus why I think you are scum. No, I didn't take my scum read on Circus and you back. Just on the other three related to my mistake.

@Everyone: Who else has enough balls to vote EBR? If you're not suspicious of him, than tell me why now, or direct me to where you said you didn't want to vote him for connivance so we can discuss this now.

Heh, it's not about not having the balls to vote him. Course I have the balls. But I don't think he's scum, so what you say is irrelevant. I have a town read on him. I want him to say more though.

SangfroidWarrior- Also most memorable for her conversation with aa, but I reread her and she's asking questions and actually trying to get people to substantiate their reads which a lot of people haven't or they've disagreed with Ran but haven't been clear if they are suspicious of him or not. So it looks like she's trying to get some more content out her, and I like that.

What exactly made you re-read her?

 

[ranmaru]

Sorry guys. I really wish I could have formatted that better. xD

I'll give new reads in a bit. Got to eat.

We have to wrap up fast.

Or, we ask for a deadline extension.

 

[Gova]

@July, my input is that I'm agreeing with Ryker. Don't expect me to BS new reasoning out of thin air. And nothing was happening at the time of that post. I've explained that already.

 

[July]

@Ran: When I say I'm not sure about his intentions, I mean is there scum motivation or town motivation behind what he's doing. Not something I can ask him about lol, but on the surface his intentions look like he wants to scumhunt and get conversation started I'm more inclined to believe he has pro-town motivation behind his actions.

I reread Sang because all I remembered was the aa/Sang convo but I knew she had posted other stuff, it just didn't stand out in my mind. When I reread her I actually liked the other stuff she posted, like trying to get people to clarify their votes on Ran which has been a big issue.

@Gova: Kk then can you answer my questions about if you have any scum picks atm and any thoughts on Ran/the Ran wagon?

 

[ranmaru]

What was your read on her before you re-read her?

 

[ranmaru]

Dear god Travelling cat views once again, and says nothing.

 

[ranmaru]

Here are my updated reads. (They are in the spoiler box) I want a deadline extension. Most likely I'll still be lynched, but at least it'll help you guys get a read on the lurkers not doing anything else. (Example: Letting me get lynched by lurking)

Vote: Deadline extension

Most of my nulls are minimal content reads, meaning those players haven't contributed enough to give me something to read them by.

I also think my RQS did help discussion start, and helped bring in reads and stances. Slowly but surely it did. It's just that not much others really helped.

Spoiler

Swiss – Null. He’s not really trying to find scum though.

Joey – Null. He states he doesn’t really know where to start, thus why he’s sitting on me for ‘reaching’. I want more from him.

Gova – Null. Occasional one liners as usual.

Acrostic – Null. No content whatsoever. Replace him or vig him.

Circus – Scum. Earlier on he didn’t even have a vote on anyone I think. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Now he is saying I scum slipped and is pushing me on that, yet before he was just saying I was being myself. His change of heart is pretty odd. Now, he states he finds DH’s appearance from the shadows as worrisome, but doesn’t really SEEM to care or do anything about it. He says it’s odd my wagon has went up so fast, yet he stays on it, even though he isn’t certain I’m scum. Earlier on he gets paranoid when I mention I was trying to create discussion with him and instead asks “Why are you trying to single out our interaction?”. Why would he care about that?

Raziek – Null. No content whatsoever. Wonder why Circus mentioned if Raz might have been doing this on purpose but not others.

Red Ryu – Null leaning town. Earlier I didn’t like how he didn’t do much to help discussion move forward, but I feel his push as legit.

July – Null leaning scum. Don’t like how she has to re-read Sang to force a stance out of her. She’s also looking at people’s surface actions and not really looking at intent here, for example Circus. If Circus flips scum I feel July would be a good direction to look in.

Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!! – Town. His push on me was legit, and I don’t understand why others feel it was shaky.

Dark Horse – Null. He comes in to vote me because my argument was full of holes. How exactly does that make me scum?

Soupamario – Null leaning town. I’m glad he is understanding my intentions. I have him as null town because he also seems to find Circus odd but doesn’t really pressure him, and instead votes EBR who I feel hasn’t been scummy.

Sworddancer – Scum. He doesn’t really give good reasoning as to why EBR’s vote on me looked bad. Plus he didn’t really state what scum intention EBR had. I found EBR’s push legit and I didn’t like Sword’s vote on there one bit.

J – Town. I can understand why he was questioning who he was questioning, and I fully support his Swiss push. In fact I’d fully support him with anything because I really like the directions he is going in (such as his doubts of July).

Asianaussie – Null. Need a vote man and some stances. AA seems like a mini Gova. ;o

Shadow Moth – Town. I liked his push on Swiss from the start.

SangfroidWarrior – Null leaning scum. Some of her things I take as newb tells. But her interaction with Joey seems useless, as Swords says. She doesn’t really follow up with it, and has been asking others who they feel is scum. It feels like she is trying to fake contribution there. I only have her as null leaning scum because I remember doing the same thing in Inception mafia as a newb (as town). In fact my RVS was on J that game. Anyways, I remember trying to scum hunt, yet I was totally wrong. I wouldn’t suggest a lynch of her until we see more from her and/or connections to scum.

traveling cat – Null. Lurking hard, only posts when mentioned. I am seeing her viewing for a long time though, so I hope she is catching up.

 

[Dooms]

Request replacement

see social thread.

 

[July]

What was your read on her before you re-read her?

Null, because like I said all I remembered was her discussion with aa. Also, at your reads section, I didn't just reread her, I reread everyone that wasn't really active and that didn't stand out on my first read because so many people were just null. And I thought it was pretty clear that I'm trying to read into Circus' intentions and for now they seem pro-town but having never played with him I want to see more from him.

 

[asianaussie]

gao

Ok, if it's not confirmed whether scumbuds have access to comm with others, then whatever, I'm not going to speculate...

vote: Dark Horse

Everybody let him go since he's persecuting Ran...too bad he's doing that without reservation in all of his posts, and offers nothing to discussion. He didn't follow up on Ran's very direct and reasonably substantial rebuttal. Granted, the criticism was warranted, but Ran's rebuttal was substantial in the way that there is plenty to continue commenting on if he actually cared to lynch Ran.

i always type so much unintentionally, gao

FoS Sang

Questioning is good, but asking people to remind you why they're voting somebody? Lazy, and if not lazy, fluffy. Saying 'I want people to answer my questions' is one way of feigning activity. I did the same as newbscum an eon ago.

I don't want to be mean, but you gotta start analysing, gotta start contributing more. Poor call coming from me, but still, it's not as if there's no information about why people are voting Ran, nor is there a lack of stuff to look at right now.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

FoS Sang

Questioning is good, but asking people to remind you why they're voting somebody? Lazy, and if not lazy, fluffy. Saying 'I want people to answer my questions' is one way of feigning activity. I did the same as newbscum an eon ago.

I don't want to be mean, but you gotta start analysing, gotta start contributing more. Poor call coming from me, but still, it's not as if there's no information about why people are voting Ran, nor is there a lack of stuff to look at right now.

Okay, as per the last part, I know that. But it seems like a lot of people have joined Ran's wagon for no reason whatsoever.

Don't meta me about yourself being newb scum, please. Hardly anybody plays exactly the same as anyone else. Me saying "I want people to answer my questions" is me trying to get people to back up their reasons for voting Ran and not just because it's a wagon to join. DH for instance, is one person I really want to answer me.

I was asking July to remind me why she was voting Gova because I couldn't find the post where she said why. Also, I figured she might give me some other reasons that she had found since after her Gova vote.

It's not much what you're doing, but perhaps I shouldn't have phased like I did. Basically, you're just not doing all that much. You haven't really taken stances, either.

Okay, first of all, I'm trying to get people to substantiate their reads more because, as Soup said, it's a very easy wagon to join with little to no solid evidence. Next, you're right. I have taken stances either because I'm just flustered with my other games. Not really an excuse but I have been prioritizing them when I shouldn't have. Working on remidying that now.

Anyways, you don't seem to be doing much. I mean, you wanted clarification on it, but WHY? You said "Ok, thanks" and didn't do anything with it.

Because, right now, I don't see anything to be gained from it. I might come back to it later but, at the moment, I could see Joey just saying that just to tag along with RR but, honestly, I was just trying to make sure I understood the context behind his wording. People are calling it useless because it, basically, was. I dislike how people are trying to pin scum on me just because of my interaction during this. I don't understand how anybody could get any type of read from that.

I also want to see 2-3 scumpicks, with reasoning. K thx?

Sure thing. Trying to catch up but I'll have it before I go to bed tonight.

 

[traveling cat]

Posting comments and questions as I read.

The first part of you sentence has NOTHING to do with the heat I've taken. I have seen you view before and have addressed to your lurkiness.

PROBLEM?

Oh sorry. I must have imagined EBR voting & calling you anti-town you for RQS and Swiss saying you're letting RQS take it's time right before the post where you voted to me just because I haven't posted. I thought you were switching to an easy target to look helpful and not relying soley on the RQS despite being the one to start it. My mistake.

Also, you haven't even taken a stance on anything. That I no likey

Considering I've only posted once before this one, is that really all that surprising? Are you really taking advantage of this to make your vote look more justified?

I personally got discussion started. There was no leads for me to use.

And it worked. Even Swords was able to get a read on EBR from it.

I'd disagree. EBR's voting accusing you of being anti-town did a better job. Your RQS just sat around and waited for other players to get around to it. In fact, you only replied to RR for choosing not to answer them.

Ran, what do you hope to accomplish with these questions, aside from gettin everyone out of rvs? are you going to use these later, or immediately forget about them wants we're out of RVS?

Didn't Soup ask the same basic question earlier in #79? Also you're first post for the game, and you only question the questions after several others have questioned the intent of the questions? You're just going with the flow. What else have you looked at?

Why J or Swiss?

EBR's idea of an elaborate scum plan is BS, but when asking this, are you really expecting him to explain a reason behind throwing those names out?

Gova and Raziek have each come into the thread to state that they have read up/are keeping up with the game, but have chosen not to actually participate in any of the recent happenings. I consider Raziek to be a worse offender for the simple fact that Gova claimed that "nothing has happened" and that's why he's not saying anything. Whereas Raziek apparently disagrees with that, but still isn't contributing to the conversation.

I find this worth noting.

Course you don't.

• You are being very fence sitty. You are trying to attack Gova and Raziek because you'd think they are most likely town who seem scummy to you and are safe bets for not attacking your own scum mates. You do the same with July too.
  
• You don't really have a read on Swords, because you think he's scum, but with you. You have RR as town because people find him scummy, and he can possibly be your mate.
  
• most of everyone has been defending me. You and Swords think I'm your scum mate thus you are ok with agreeing with Swords that I'm just being me. I just seem to be scummy because of my playstyle and how I don't communicate well.
  
• Swords attacked Kuz/Ryker with bad reasoning. Swords most likely thought EBR was right (which he wasn't) and attacked him to get heat off me. I liked their attack and was town motivated in my POV. Swords fence sat as well and picked Kuzi hydra to attack. You are trying to distance off of Swords by disagreeing with his EBR read, without really giving a read on EBR.
  
• Soup is possible scum because he seemed to find my questioning pro-town. (Course it was tho) He's the most legit though so I wouldn't really suspect him unless I ran out of leads.
  
• I believe Sang is newbie scum looking for her partner. I think the Sang v Joey is a good example of this. I don't know what exactly she was trying to get at.
  
• J is town because he is looking for what I'm looking for. (I think) He's essentially looking for scum TRAITORS.

I still don't like TCat not posting much content but I'll keep a null read on her for now and I fully expect CONTENTTTTT. GIMMEH COOKIEZ


Everyone, keep in mind that scum have to be active so they can find their mates. So essentially I don't think lurkiness is much of a tell early on when the themes still not guessed right.

AND GUESS WHAT. I GUESSED IT N0 AND GOT IT WRONG. LOLZ

What is this? I don't even

I'll respond to Ran more directly in a little bit, but for now...
...I think the underlined here is a straight up scumslip for Ran. I think Ran knows that scum have to look for scummates because he is scum.

Actually, I'm not even going to get into a dissection of Ran's 130 because of how fundamentally flawed his thinking seems to be in it. It's just wrong from start to finish. I'm being "fence sitty?" It's half way through D1 in a 20-person game. A fifth of those people have been so inactive that they just got prodded. You fault me for not having a read on Swords clear enough to your liking (although I did give a light opinion on him), yet he's only made, what, 2 real posts the whole game so far? How strong do you expect my read on someone like that to be? Frankly, I've been more up front with my reads than most of the players in this game, so far. And others already pointed out how reachy your other points were. I mean, reachy isn't even the word. That reasoning for your Soup read is bananas. And trying to wave a magic wand over what you said with your new-found understanding of the rules ain't gonna fly. I can't figure why you, as town, would just assume that basically every member of the mafia in this game is a Traitor. That's a crazy leap to make without additional knowledge. Your reasoning seems to be "well, I've played in games with Traitors before." Like, what?

Quoting this for importance. If Ran flips scum, this might be pretty telling.


-dead-

What would make you say this? No one asked. Everyone was supposed to guess at the theme N0. In fact, everyone is supposed to guess the theme every single Day and Night phase until they get it right. Why would you confirm that you haven't gotten it right yet? If you are town, then you just told scum that you're still Vanilla for no reason.




Is this really all you two are going to do?

So much scum.

I love your observations. But, do you think a RanScum would truly expect to sway people with that stupidly flawed logic?

I agree with this about Ran, the questions aren't really going to stimulate deep conversation but RVS v. RQS I'd prefer RQS anyways and I think Ran had pro-town intentions with it of getting conversation going.

Curious. Was there anything in his actions regarding the RQS that make you think they were pro-town intentions, or was it just because he started RQS?

Vote: Gova

No posts that I remember other than that nothing was happening, would like at least one scum pick from him and why.

That seemed out of nowhere.

If I had to choose between Swiss and Ran based on their posts now, I'd go Swiss. Just because his posts are a whole lot of nulls and pretty much not doing anything besides him doing things that seems random. Ran, on the other hand, I see more of a town intent behind his posts because he seems to be trying to find scum and I don't think his "slip" Circus has pointed out is really a slip.

Anything specific to make you think there's town intent, or is it just a general 'feel'?

Where you say that nothing is happening, which wasn't true, and then second Ryker's reasons for why you wouldn't answer Ran's questions. That's not giving your input, it's regurgitating Ryker's AND even in this post (#209) I still have no idea what's going on in your head. Do you have scum picks, and if so, who? And what is your read on Ran? You've asked others questions about Ran and the Ran wagon but at the end of this post you infer that you say that you need to get a better understanding of the situation yourself, so I want to know what your opinion is on it.

Do agree with this.

@July, my input is that I'm agreeing with Ryker. Don't expect me to BS new reasoning out of thin air. And nothing was happening at the time of that post. I've explained that already.

Whywhywhy do I not like this post? Not interested in hearing new reasoning. I would like to know your original reason for agreeing with Ryker. Or were you just agreeing blindly?

 

[asianaussie]

A little rustling and I find July's Gova vote is probably pressure to get him to talk.

You should have at least mentioned Dark Horse, he's been an absolute non-presence. At least we agree on this, since he's literally done nothing but dance about that one post of Ran's and failed to follow up to any level.

@Ran: before you asked your list of questions, what went through your head? Did you base the questions off another RQS scheme, or did you form each question with intent? I look at it and see a big pile of null. Did you intend for it to draw fire? I see you acknowledging EBR and RR's pushes as being at least somewhat valid.

gurk

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

A little rustling and I find July's Gova vote is probably pressure to get him to talk.

Was it? I thought I had read somewhere that there was a reason for her vote? Oh well, doing a reread right now so if I find it I'll point it out.

You should have at least mentioned Dark Horse, he's been an absolute non-presence. At least we agree on this, since he's literally done nothing but dance about that one post of Ran's and failed to follow up to any level.

I want everyone that is voting RR to answer, but DH is one that I'm most curious about.

 

[asianaussie]

EBWOP for Sang: RR > Ran

Right after she votes Gova, she mentions that only posts she remembers are that 'nothing is happening', and that she wants a scumpick or two. Seems like pressure to talk, but that's how I interpret it.

If that's your intent, that's alright. Still friends ?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But sleep
Seeking replacement for Joey!

 

[Gova]

Do agree with this.

Whywhywhy do I not like this post? Not interested in hearing new reasoning. I would like to know your original reason for agreeing with Ryker. Or were you just agreeing blindly?

@First part, I would like to know your original reason for agreeing with Ryker, I mean July. Or were you just agreeing blindly?

@Second part, bolded for emphasis.

It promotes rampant theory discussion and conflicts completely based off of clashes in mafia creed. It is not the right kind of conflict at all. It's also the only thing that will be widely discussed if your topic takes hold which I do not intend to let it do. This is why I'm voting you. Your manuever is anti-town and I think it is one that a mafia scummate told you to do. Most likely Swiss or J. I do not think you came up with it on your own.

Why are those good things to talk about? How does knowing who I am wary of and who I am not help you get a read on me? There is no stance there. There is no substance. It's all a big pot of null, so don't try and pass it off as more than that.


Writing him off as easy to read allows yourself to be more easily swayed on less information. It takes a lot less for me to clear you than it does for me to clear Swiss. I think that writing Moth off is a bad plan for a townie.

I've played with everyone on this playerlist in at least one completed game. What do you gain from asking that question?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

EBWOP for Sang: RR > Ran

Right after she votes Gova, she mentions that only posts she remembers are that 'nothing is happening', and that she wants a scumpick or two. Seems like pressure to talk, but that's how I interpret it.

If that's your intent, that's alright. Still friends ?

I'll look into it. Thanks for pointing that out. And haha of course !

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 1-5

10/18 to lynch.

Ranmaru [6]: Acrostic, EBR!, Joey, Dark Horse, Circus, Red Ryu
Circus [2]: J, Ranmaru
EBR! [2]: Sworddancer, Soupamario
Swiss [1]: Shadow Moth
Gova [1]: July
Acrostic [1]: Gova
Dark Horse [1]: asianaussie
J [1]: Swiss

Not voting: Raziek, SangfroidWarrior, traveling cat

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There has been 1 vote for a deadline extension!
[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > Shadow Moth > J
Joey > Shadow Moth > Ranmaru
Gova > Acrostic
Acrostic > Ranmaru
Circus > SangfroidWarrior > Ranmaru
Raziek
Red Ryu > Joey > Ranmaru
July > Ranmaru > Gova
EBR! > Ranmaru
Dark Horse > Ranmaru
Soupamario > EBR! > Circus > Shadow Moth > EBR!
Sworddancer > Swiss > EBR!
Ranmaru > traveling cat > traveling cat > Circus
J > Circus
asianaussie > Soupamario > Dark Horse
Shadow Moth > Joey > Swiss > Swiss
SangfroidWarrior > J > Unvote
traveling cat
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Note: Don't forget to make your guess for Day 1! You get a guess every phase: use it or lose it!

 

[traveling cat]

@First part, I would like to know your original reason for agreeing with Ryker, I mean July. Or were you just agreeing blindly?

@Second part, bolded for emphasis.

Aw, a mirror comeback. How original.

July is right that there wasn't nothing happening. Granted, it wasn't much. Ran starts RQS, some players answer, EBR accuses Ran, Swiss goes after Ran, Ran votes me, Soup dislikes Ran for voting me and not using his own questions, RR picks apart what is wrong with Ran's questions...Seemed there was already enough to put pressure/wagon Ran on or question the players who are against Ran. I'd hardly call that nothing. And since you agree that Ran was doing something anti-town (since you bolded it) and thus, scummy, why not throw a vote in support and put some pressure on him?

 

[ranmaru]

@Sang:

Oh ok. Did it help you get a read on Joey? And thank you I fully await them. : D

@Travelling Cat:

Course not. If you have read closely enough, you’d see I have already been voting you as an RVS vote. I just re-voted you. I generally call out people for lurking, and you do it a lot. Generally others were lurking as well, say like Acrostic. But I don't ever see him viewing. So I'd rather just re-vote you for not commenting after viewing so many times. Plus I like to note when players are viewing and don't comment, so people can look back to that to read their play. My play isn't based on looking for easy targets though. So try harder. I don't rely on ONE thing to scum hunt.

Yet you have viewed many many times, and haven’t posted at all. Then, you have to CATCH UP to post? So don't whine at me for attacking you for not commenting on anything but my vote on you. Especially considering how your catch up is ONE DAY AWAY FROM DEADLINE.

Again, I just started it to get discussion going. EBR’s vote on me helped me get a read on him, and it started from there.

You’ll notice I made a mistake. ;o Keep reading. I re-evaluated my reads after that.

@AA:

I only intended it to draw discussion. I tried to just put in general mafia theory questions and questions that relate to players in the player list.

 

[Gova]

Because anti-town != scummy.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Sang:

Oh ok. Did it help you get a read on Joey? And thank you I fully await them. : D

It could help later on but, atm, not much of one besides what I said earlier about him possibly just doing that to simply tag along and get out of the line of fire but I don't see that right now.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok thanks. Also, when you are done with you picks, can you also give me thoughts on Circus and July? :3

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I'm working on giving my thoughts about everyone, actually.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh awesome, even better. : D

 

[ranmaru]

Yo Gova. Give me your thoughts on: Sang, TCat, and July. : D Throw in Circus as a bonus.

 

[Gova]

No idea, She's ok for now, don't like. Circus is pending.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok. Why is Circus pending?