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Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

Asdioh

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Is that all?

Someone can be invested into the game and still be scum.
I know that. I also think that scumGheb wouldn't bother fighting for a Ran lynch (assuming Ran is town) if he could just have an Asdioh lynch. It would be a ML either way for him, and all he would have to do is blend in with the the lynch, and it would be hard to call him specifically out on it.
Instead, he's rejecting the idea of an Asdioh lynch (I assume), and fighting for a Ran lynch. From my townie POV, I see towniness in that.

AND July's brought up some pretty good points (thought they can be looked at in different ways depending on how you assume the scumteam is set up). You read them yet? What did you think?
July's a pretty smart player, but her posts... are long... and they usually leave me feeling pretty derpy by the end. No, I haven't really paid much attention to her this game. I can never read her alignment properly even when I do.
I'll go look for the case, but it will probably include some things I still haven't read.


Time to find my scumpicks for Sang. I can honestly say that I don't even know who I want to lynch right now. I'm sure that people will read this and think "welp guess we should just lynch Asdioh."
I do have a very strong feeling that at least some of the inactives/ridiculously lazy people are scum. I'm not exactly sure what happened D2 to result in a No Lynch, but with the amount of deadweight in the game, you should have lynched one of them, if you weren't going to lynch EBR.

JTB's kind of on my mind right now. I sympathized with him when he replaced in, because he had read a similar amount as me, and we both had to replace in late. But he just... disappeared, and the slot he replaced also had very little to go on.
 

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By the way, the true theme of the game is neither "Halloween Party Mafia" nor "Amnesiac Mafia."

Turns out it's not a trick question. He wouldn't even accept HP as my guess :p
 

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vult you think the info i shared about my role was useless? Do you think it would be more useful say after someone tried to claim a guilty on me? How does what i claim give you vibes that im scum Is this info the only thing you are basing your read on me ofe? Is your reasoning really this shallow? Are you terrible at this game or are you mafia?
 

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july whici of the following do you agree with:

gheb is buddying me

gheb is setting me up to be NKd

also you should joim me odn asdioh we can lynch gaybe tomorrow
 

Asdioh

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However,

Vote: ERB!
ERB! is not a player in this game!
To make this painfully clear because I hold no faith in the majority of you.

Previously we see Ryker is either provable PR or scum. Here, instead of saying "whatever cop me idc but it's a waste of resources" he tries to say he doesn't NEED to be copped. He's afraid of a cop on him, so he knows he'll turn guilty. Also everyone knows that currently no-one has thread power, especially not ERB, myself and him both want more. Ryker wants more power just not at the expense of a cop on him.

I very much doubt he is Miller PR. So he is scum.
And this is why Swiss shouldn't have been nightkilled. ;_;
 

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well, okay.

It makes me mad that you are taking this as a reason to vote him. It's not a scumtell. I skimmed. I skim when I replace. It's so SO boring to read things that I'm not involved in.

I would think that it's more likely that a scum-aligned person would pretend to have read in order to get town cred.
Holy crap, that's what I've been saying!

Buddy: Vult Redux
 

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[collapse=terrible reads]Who I seriously need to look at more:
JO_OEY X1-12 (he's scum this game, right?)
Gova (zero memory of what he's done, must be scum)
Acrostic JTB (I like JTB so far)
Raziek Gheb_01 (people seem to want to lynch him, but I haven't really read anything from him)
Red Ryu (had him as town from the first few pages of the game that I read, but I don't remember anything besides that)
July (ALWAYS scum. Always. But probably not this game, unless she and EBR staged a catfight.)
SangfroidWarrior
traveling cat Tandora (Tcat looked bleck, Tan looked good at first glance)


Who is town:
Soupamario Vult Redux
Ranmaru
J Asdioh
asianaussie (why not)
Shadow Moth (too lazy to explain)

[/collapse]
Starting to feel uncomfortable having Moth/Ranmaru in my town list.

Tried to write a complete response to July this morning but I couldn't finish. Only halfway done. Have to step out the door right now and drive up to college. I'll get at it when my V/LA is over.
I dare to move July down to town, because I can't see EBR bothering to try so hard responding to a scummate. Also because Swiss said she's town.


[rant]there are so many players that getting reads after replacing in is a pain in my ***[/rant]

**** it, updated list go:


Town:
  • Vult Redux
  • SangfroidWarrior (I actually don't mind her push on me. Her last post shows me that she's actually paying attention to what I've been doing, and isn't just lynching me for the sake of getting a ML. She seems interested in actually getting reads out of me)
  • Gova (I would only be comfortable with this read if multiple others agreed that he's town. I haven't really seen many opinions on the matter, and even if he is town he's being pretty useless)
  • asianausse (same as Gova. I can't lynch EVERY inactive, so I have to get reads on them to the best of my ability)
  • Red Ruy
  • July
  • Gheb (dfksjafgijfd I don't have time to read everything. Someone show me why you think Gheb is scum, without using July-like walls. I still don't want him lynched toDay regardless.)

Please lynch us, we're scum or deadweight:
  • Ranmaru
  • Shadow Moth
  • JTB


Undecided on X1 and Tandora.

X1: Looking through X1's posts from where he replaced in, he looks like he has a legitimate scumhunting attitude. The only problem is it seems he's tunneled my slot all game, and he's wrong. General consensus seems to be town, so it would be easiest if I went with that.

Tcat/Tandora: Looking through Tcat's posts, I didn't like him, but he quickly replaced out. I don't remember what Tandora's done at all. She was commenting on stuff around the time I replaced in, but it all seemed like pretty neutral, nonconfrontational stuff.


ToDay, my preferred lynches would be Ran, Smoth, possibly JTB, maaaaaaaaaaaybe Gova or AA since we'll probably never get anything out of them either way. Tandora's also a possibility, but I still need to reread D3. I will openly admit that the consensus of others will partially affect my reads, since I haven't read the entire thread.


Vote: Ranmaru

Gheb, I'm trusting you.
 

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I'm having some bizzare problems with my computer. I worry I may have picked up a virus somewhere. Currently running malware to try to fix the problem, but I felt it would not hurt to mention it here just in case I disappear from lack of access.
 

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If, hypothetically, I told you guys I finally figured out the flavor and discovered that I'm the Daycop, who would be the best bet to use my investigation on toDay?
I'd love for Gheb to be copped to confirm his alignment.

gheb or tandora, and not ran

carryin on swiss' legacy because im lazy
Statements like these bug me. AA is doing nothing more than being a sheep at best or prod dodging at worst. I wasn't a fan of another player saying he was being lazy. At the time it felt like a tongue in cheek joke, but I fear it's a mentality that is actually spreading.

July / Tandora, knowing you two I'm fairly certain that you have not considered the fact that I could be town at all. What would your plans be if I flip town?
:059:
I haven't made any because you still haven't convinced me your town. Why use the word "if" instead of "when" if you actually are town?
 

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By the way I will always appear as town when investigated, regardless of whether I am targeted by Tailor/Lawyer etc. Would have claimed this info earlier but was only just informed about it due to mod error
Is there a more full claim from you in thread? I did a search and haven't seen anything else so this feels a little left field to me.

Did Nabe specifically mention Tailor/Laywer? Why did you feel a need to claim?
 

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Sorry for taking so long, I'm still in a process of an extensive read. I'll definitely be here before the deadline though.

unvote
 

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I haven't made any because you still haven't convinced me your town.
Yeah and that's a huge problem.

You're not even taking into account that you could be wrong, plain and simply. In essence that's synonymous to playing with a blindfold trial and error style. Instead of trying to predict hypothetical outcomes [hence me using "if" and not "when] to see where your so-called reads are actually leading to you latch onto something you don't like and place all your hope into it becoming true - and then you turn out to be wrong and you're back at zero because you've spent no thoughts on other possibilities. If you haven't made any yet then I challenge you to do so now because you're probably going to tunnel me for the rest of the game unless you're starting to open your mind now. So tell me, what would your plan be if you actually managed to lynch me and I were to flip town? Please do us this favor - show everybody that you haven't actually thought this whole thing through at all.

:059:
 

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Speaking of predicting outcomes, X1, what would you do if you lynched me and I flipped town?
 

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I would appreciate not lynching Ran, but if it comes to that or a NL I will vote for him. Gheb, why are you so adamant on lynching ran now? Didn't you have somebody else that you wanted to lynch more-so?
 

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7/13 to lynch.

Asdioh [4]: SangfroidWarrior, Ranmaru, Shadow Moth, X1-12
Gheb [2]: July, Tandora
Ranmaru [2]: Gheb, Asdioh


Not voting: Gova, JTB, Red Ryu, Vult Redux, asianaussie

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[collapse=Vote Log] X1-12 > Asdioh
Gova
JTB > X1 > Unvote
Gheb > Ranmaru
Red Ryu
July > Gheb
Vult Redux
Ranmaru > Asdioh
Asdioh > Unvote > Ranmaru
asianaussie
Shadow Moth > Asdioh
SangfroidWarrior > Asdioh
Tandora > Gheb
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Asdioh has a LOT of fluff posts. Enough that I'm going to collapse the ones that are completely fluff.
[collapse=fuwafuwataimu posts]


cool reads Swiss
Hey Vult! I haven't played with you since Dissidia, my very first dgames game. You're town again, I hope?
because i'm so scummy
... a little bit.

More importantly, I got post 1337.
god dammit predictable jadfjgoidfjgoiadf

LJKFGDAJSGOIASJOIFGJ NOW I NEED TO ACTUALLY DO WORK THANKS A LOT ASDIFJGADOGI
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

brb finding those MYSELF.
Someone quick! I need the most original, and most amazing facepalm picture you can find me!
Is that seriously the only post that happened the entire time I was at work? ugh.

Sang, I'll respond to that tonight.
dammit, there go my next three guesses.
Is the true theme drunken mafia?
And this is why Swiss shouldn't have been nightkilled. ;_;
Speaking of predicting outcomes, people continue to dawdle, I get lynched at the last minute because I'm the biggest wagon, I flip town, people go "oh darn" and pretend they didn't expect that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o
[/collapse]

...that feel when you want to come into the game and randomly accuse X1 of being scum to invoke a reaction, but you haven't actually read and fear looking completely stupid (ie, he was universally accepted as obvtown or something), and then it's too late because he voted you and now it would look like OMGUS.

But no, I'm not scum. Is there anything that actually makes you think that?
First paragraph is pretty much all useless fluff.

And Swiss, I'm sure there's more to your EBR scumread than just the fact that he hasn't been NKed, right? Because I could say players (such as... you and Gheb, for example) being alive points to you being scum, but that's wifom.
Not that you guys are that good or anything :p
There's a question in here but it's shadowed by this dumb WIFOM.
Saying it's WIFOM doesn't make it any less WIFOM-y.

Did I mention how mind-numbingly boring it is to read through old stuff that I wasn't here for? Again, if there's anything I should care about, please point it out to me.

Vote: asianaussie

Absolutely scum.
More fluff. This time about not wanting to read. If it's that much of a pain to catch up then just read from the beginning.
Also random vote on AA with NO EXPLANATION. I don't remember seeing anything about this except the next quote I have...

AA is town....
Swiss is pretty much telling Asdioh to unvote, and like the follower he is...

Why? Did he actually exist at some point in this g-
well I could iso but that takes effort.

unvote
Vote: EBR


Absolutely scum.
Goes right to Swiss' top scumpick. Nice job thinking for yourself there, Asdioh.

RR, is Swiss town that's being wise in realizing that I'm town, or scum that's trying to use me as a pawn?
You sound really confident in EBR's scumflip, why is that? I'll try to catch up gradually, but for now I'll just try to stay current and get in the groove, so I don't know exactly why we're voting EBR.

It probably doesn't matter, since I already know he has no affiliation with anyone, but who did he form alliances with?
I guess I'll look into that, but for now, based on I'll assume that Swiss thought J was scummy, which is understandable because I think that all the time.

And why would anyone call an argument that involved their slot SvS? :p
I'll call it TvT mostly based on what has happened toDay.

I'll look into these, especially the No Lynch, since that's pretty significant.
First question is pretty dumb. You're asking him to either call you town or call you town. The only difference between answers is Swiss' alignment. I don't like that question at all.
In the same paragraph he says he doesn't know why "we're" voting EBR. I might have to remind some of you less intelligent players that he voted EBR calling him "Absolutely Scum" in the quote right above this one.

ok I'll take your word for it :3
Ehh? Where did these happen...
He wouldn't? O_o but yeah town.

hehe I wouldn't trust J's reads :3

Tandora you should gibs your thoughts on X1.

apparently i never hit "post" as i went to play transformice so i'll do that now
More fluff feigning activity. Only real line here is his little poke at Tandora.

I'm dressed as Lady van Tassel, from Sleepy Hollow.
I hope that helped :p
also I'm town and lazy
Claims on a whim (don't bull**** me with "he was asked to." He had no reason to respond to that, especially from X1). I don't like this claim and I don't like how Asdioh seems to be heavily pushing himself as town. It seems forced.

Why haven't we lynched EBR yet? After that, I want to take a look at X1, because I have the strangest feeling that he's scum. He's obstinately sat on my wagon all day, by himse-Whoa when did this happen?

Swiss, convince one of these people to lynch EBR and the world will be a better place.
Are all 3 of them town?
MORE fluff along with asking Swiss for his reads on the three players on his wagon.
Also he acts surprised when he finds 3 people on his wagon. Might just be me but seems like an overreaction. EBR was still the biggest wagon by far.

I am conflicted. Does he actually think I'm scum, and would he tunnel me so hard as town?
Or is he scum, still trying to push my ML? I thought X1 would know townAsdioh better than this. Do you legitimately think I am more useless than the inactive/nonexistant playerslots? And that I'm actually scummy, wtf? I miss Swiss. I made the right choice in trusting and following him yesterDay, and of course he went and got killed.


In the meantime, can anyone give me (and JTB) a full list of who has claimed so far, and what they've claimed? I also remember someone believing certain players were town mostly because of their claims, which makes no sense to me. I mean, I'm dressed up as a character from Sleepy Hollow that I'm pretty sure is a villain, but I'm town. Because they're just costumes.
So Swiss is dead and poor little Asdioh has to actually play the game now. First person he "looks at" is X1. Not really a bad thing considering X1 has been on him since he replaced in, but notice he's not saying anything for himself except "Hey guys I'm town, in case you needed to be reminded." I've been noticing this all game. Asdioh has been asking a lot of questions but hasn't been giving very many stances of his own or bringing up new points.

Second paragraph is pretty irrelevant.

I have to go do a bunch of gogdamned yardwork and **** now and forever until we sell this house.

But later tonight I should start giving reads and not being lazy.

This is pretty normal for me, though I do scumhunt when I'm current. I'll try to be current with at least Day 3 and Day 4, and anything else of value that anyone cares to point out to me.

Which reminds me, someone give me the list of freaking claims please :|
Fluff and self meta. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate meta?

Oh yeah. I guess I'll have to stick with that. If you turn out to be scum, I might cry.




literally


don't know what to say anymore. I'm at like L-2, lol. People seem to want to lynch me "just because."
No defense, just saying his lynch is dumb. Also says he "has to stick with" his previous town read on Gova, which was completely baseless.
And of course there's more filler fluff. Who would've guessed?

By the way, the true theme of the game is neither "Halloween Party Mafia" nor "Amnesiac Mafia."

Turns out it's not a trick question. He wouldn't even accept HP as my guess :p
Not only is this fluffy, he's helping people find the flavor. While this is beneficial for town, the general consensus has been it would be much more beneficial for scum if the flavor was revealed.

Holy crap, that's what I've been saying!

Buddy: Vult Redux
I was gonna put this in the fluff collapse but I'd like to say that he's encouraging Vult's scum meta WIFOM here. Don't like that at all.

Starting to feel uncomfortable having Moth/Ranmaru in my town list.

I dare to move July down to town, because I can't see EBR bothering to try so hard responding to a scummate. Also because Swiss said she's town.


[rant]there are so many players that getting reads after replacing in is a pain in my ***[/rant]

**** it, updated list go:


Town:
  • Vult Redux
  • SangfroidWarrior (I actually don't mind her push on me. Her last post shows me that she's actually paying attention to what I've been doing, and isn't just lynching me for the sake of getting a ML. She seems interested in actually getting reads out of me)
  • Gova (I would only be comfortable with this read if multiple others agreed that he's town. I haven't really seen many opinions on the matter, and even if he is town he's being pretty useless)
  • asianausse (same as Gova. I can't lynch EVERY inactive, so I have to get reads on them to the best of my ability)
  • Red Ruy
  • July
  • Gheb (dfksjafgijfd I don't have time to read everything. Someone show me why you think Gheb is scum, without using July-like walls. I still don't want him lynched toDay regardless.)

Please lynch us, we're scum or deadweight:
  • Ranmaru
  • Shadow Moth
  • JTB


Undecided on X1 and Tandora.

X1: Looking through X1's posts from where he replaced in, he looks like he has a legitimate scumhunting attitude. The only problem is it seems he's tunneled my slot all game, and he's wrong. General consensus seems to be town, so it would be easiest if I went with that.

Tcat/Tandora: Looking through Tcat's posts, I didn't like him, but he quickly replaced out. I don't remember what Tandora's done at all. She was commenting on stuff around the time I replaced in, but it all seemed like pretty neutral, nonconfrontational stuff.


ToDay, my preferred lynches would be Ran, Smoth, possibly JTB, maaaaaaaaaaaybe Gova or AA since we'll probably never get anything out of them either way. Tandora's also a possibility, but I still need to reread D3. I will openly admit that the consensus of others will partially affect my reads, since I haven't read the entire thread.


Vote: Ranmaru

Gheb, I'm trusting you.
Very important post. He goes from having me and Ran as town (I've been town to him this whole game) to putting us as scum and wanting us lynched toDay. He also decides Gheb is town and decides to follow him the same way he followed Swiss. Asdioh has shown a very serious lack of thinking for himself this game.

I think he is yet to push anyone on his own besides his feeble little posts against X1.

So lemme ask you: Why isn't your vote on Asdioh yet?
 

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What a joke, Moth. I've made it very clear that I don't have the time or interest to read everything in this thread, because I replaced in. I am perfectly content to follow people that I think are town and have good reads. Thus, why I followed Swiss, and was right to do so. How is that scummy?
I also post fluff a lot. What else is new?

You, on the other hand, have been here the whole game, yet on D4 you literally vote for dead scum because you couldn't be ***** to read a single post above Swiss' flip, and then once you realize your mistake you just hop on the convenient bandwagon with no explanation... until now, when the deadline is rapidly approaching.

Not convinced I'm scummy at all from your points. I also don't see the problem with claiming my character. We could probably massclaim the costumed characters with no negative effect.
 

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Speaking of predicting outcomes, X1, what would you do if you lynched me and I flipped town?
***** slap you for spending your time trying to scare people out of lynching you/trying to create doubt in people's minds to save yourself.

Mass costume claiming WILL have negative effects.

Gheb lets get this Asdioh lynch going down. July too
 

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No, Ran needs to die like now. Moth's post convinced me that we shouldn't lynch Asdioh toDay.

:059:
 

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***** slap you for spending your time trying to scare people out of lynching you/trying to create doubt in people's minds to save yourself.
I had no intention of spending all of D4 having to defend myself. I thought common sense would dictate that I was town for my pure willingness to lynch EBR over anyone else. I thought at the very least, the focus would be elsewhere toDay.
Of course I'm trying to stop people from lynching me, you're currently one of the strongest voices in the game, and you've done nothing but tunnel me.

Mass costume claiming WILL have negative effects.
YOU are the one who asked me to costume claim, remember?? Moth accused me of claiming which I did, I said I didn't think it mattered at all.
 

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What a joke, Moth. I've made it very clear that I don't have the time or interest to read everything in this thread, because I replaced in. I am perfectly content to follow people that I think are town and have good reads. Thus, why I followed Swiss, and was right to do so. How is that scummy?
I also post fluff a lot. What else is new?

You, on the other hand, have been here the whole game, yet on D4 you literally vote for dead scum because you couldn't be ***** to read a single post above Swiss' flip, and then once you realize your mistake you just hop on the convenient bandwagon with no explanation... until now, when the deadline is rapidly approaching.

Not convinced I'm scummy at all from your points. I also don't see the problem with claiming my character. We could probably massclaim the costumed characters with no negative effect.
What does replacing in have to do with following people? I barely even remember what happened D1 and I'm not following people. It kinda goes without saying I don't remember anything from D2 and D3.
And it's not just that you followed people, you didn't input anything of your own as far as I could see. And yes, you DO post a lot of fluff. But admitting to it doesn't make it any less fluff or any less bad to post fluff 50% of the time.

I could argue that it was actually two posts up because of JTB's replacing in but that doesn't actually matter. And you make it seem like I hopped on your wagon a week ago. It was only yesterday. There's nothing wrong with me voting you. Go back and check, I had J as scum D1 and I still think your slot is scum. Deadline is always rapidly approaching. We still have three days left though, which is plenty of time.

I don't even know what you're saying with your last paragraph. I don't need to convince you that you're scummy. And even if I do, you haven't made any arguments against any of my points.
And massclaiming costumes is DEFINITELY a bad idea. Nabe said the costumes have some connection to the real roles. Anyone who knows that connection could probably figure out all of town's PRs instantly.


No, Ran needs to die like now. Moth's post convinced me that we shouldn't lynch Asdioh toDay.

:059:
Nice argument bro, but have you seen my squirtle?
:007:

I had no intention of spending all of D4 having to defend myself. I thought common sense would dictate that I was town for my pure willingness to lynch EBR over anyone else. I thought at the very least, the focus would be elsewhere toDay.
Of course I'm trying to stop people from lynching me, you're currently one of the strongest voices in the game, and you've done nothing but tunnel me.
How is that common sense? How is that sense at all?
 

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To add onto that ^. If it was common sense you would have thought I was town earlier and so would Gheb.

:smirk:

Gheb, what about Moth's post convinced you to not lynch Asdioh?
 

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Oh gog, Sang *facepalm*

:059:
*shrugg* that was just me looking at like the last two posts while I was in my Computer class. I'm looking back. I guess I'm remembering wrong but I thought you were going against somebody else not too long ago and then just randomly switched. Scratch that. I remember now. Nevermind.
 

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What a joke, Moth. I've made it very clear that I don't have the time or interest to read everything in this thread, because I replaced in. I am perfectly content to follow people that I think are town and have good reads. Thus, why I followed Swiss, and was right to do so.
1) I would appreciate if your going to try to help town you understand what has gone on. It helps.

2) You're being very clingy.

3) Following strong player with good/correct reads doesn't make you town.

I thought common sense would dictate that I was town for my pure willingness to lynch EBR over anyone else.
o.O What am I reading? Just because you sheeped with Swiss (and this is in your own words, too) you think we're gonna think you're town? Could you explain this logic to me?

No, Ran needs to die like now. Moth's post convinced me that we shouldn't lynch Asdioh toDay.

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Why is that?
 

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Because it's such a horrible, horrible post that I'd rather lynch Moth for it just on principle than Asdioh.

X1, can you summarize what about Asdioh you think is scummy and back it up with quotes? Are you willing to compromise for *anybody* else?

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Do you think it would be more useful say after someone tried to claim a guilty on me?
Yeah. You'd know he's scum because Town Cop wouldn't get an guilty investigation.

Now what did you accomplish? An investigation on you is pretty useless because you're a Godfather if scum. What's a Town Cop gonna do now? Investigate you to see if they get a "Mafia" result? Let's not kid ourselves.

How does what i claim give you vibes that im scum?
If you found out your role and it actually is fantastic, you wouldn't be sharing that info when only the scum are dictating the kills and you don't know of a Doctor's presence.

Is this info the only thing you are basing your read on me ofe? Is your reasoning really this shallow?
Yeah. Well. That and your aggressive reaction to my off-hand comment that hardly threatened you.

Are you terrible at this game or are you mafia?
What's the point of this? To fire me up? Why would Town X1 want to do that?
 

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Vote: Ran

Tentative. I'm not going to vote Asidoh, but if people would rather lynch Gheb or X1 or Gova/inactives, etc. I'm for those wagons too.
 

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Because it's such a horrible, horrible post that I'd rather lynch Moth for it just on principle than Asdioh.

X1, can you summarize what about Asdioh you think is scummy and back it up with quotes? Are you willing to compromise for *anybody* else?

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If it's such a horrible post then you should easily be able to point out where I'm wrong.
 

July

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Points like these are exactly why I hate wading through your walls because it's already been answered. Nobody had points on EBR that I agreed with [except Vult but he only elaborated one Day phase later] and the reasoning I found myself the next Day was stronger than the half-***** garbage from Swiss, Ryu or yourself. And these 3 are the only people that even bothered to comment on it.
Then why did you say this?:

I like that reasoning 1203981230981209 times more than Swiss'. Sworddancer is now officially better at this game than Swiss :troll:

Seriously though, a lot of that [if true] looks really untypical for Ryker and Kuz so I see where you're coming from. I just don't know whether it's actually true at all because I had no chance to read up on them and won't get a comprehensive read on them toDay. That means that I can't tell you more about how I feel about that lynch.

Also the deadline thing was my mistake because I didn't know what the 0001 was supposed to mean and I thought that it's until the last minute of 9/2 but since that's not actually the case I have even less time to read up toDay and will do so during the night phase then.

Swiss and J seem reliable atm and I don't know if I can trust the judgment of their voters just yet. I'm not gonna vote for either of them toDay. Ran and AA can die and I guess I'll help voting for EBR if the lynch is needed - we need like 9 / 16 votes anyway, right?

Vote EBR

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First of all you say that Swords case against EBR had merit. Second of all you state that you see where those points are coming from that are brought up by Swords and other cases if they are true (which they are) so you are lying when you say you didn't agree with anyone's points.

Also answer this from my #1490: What about my case on EBR did you think was fake?


Citation needed.
Citation provided:

Would you join a lynch that you consider largely random if you believe you had a realistic chance to get somebody else lynched - somebody you find more suspect?

:059:
You switched from the EBR wagon, which you call here largely random, to the Acrostic wagon, who you say you find more suspect here.

Excuses? I'm pretty sure I've explained in great detail how the question of "guilt" doesn't even apply in that case.
Asdioh isn't on the chopping block for the same reasons and if he is that only goes to show how ****ing horrible this town is. X1 and Sang have been pushing Asdioh earlier without any comparison to how I play this game [which wouldn't even make a lot of sense anyway].
I didn't say guilt. You didn't give a valid reason when you switched off of EBR to Acrostic on D2 and toDay so Day 3 and toDay you have provided reasons retroactively but they don't line up with your actions. You say that Acrostic was more suspect than EBR, yet you gave credence to Swords case on EBR Day 2 and upon voting Acrostic cited only inactivity, so you had more reason to suspect EBR than Acrostic in reality but you claim the opposite.

The entire case on Asdioh isn't based around his connections with EBR, but the J/EBR connection is definitely a major factor with the other major factor being his overabundance of fluffy posts.

None of that is scummy.

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July / Tandora, knowing you two I'm fairly certain that you have not considered the fact that I could be town at all. What would your plans be if I flip town? That's not a rhetorical question and I think it's pretty important to know. It's annoying how July ignores my requests to debunk my arguments on why Ranmaru is scum. How long are you gonna turn a blind eye to how scummy he is? How long are you gonna john for his recent non-input?

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If you flip town then I will look into Asdioh because of J's inconsistent and erratic play, his attack and then backing off of EBR, his interactions with X1 and Swiss where he failed to hold his own and ended up backing away completely from the issue, and Asdioh's overwhelming amount of fluff instead of content. He is a scum pick, but I am more confident in my read on you.

Also I addressed Ran yesterDay and your case against him which I don't agree with. His D1 play had pro-town intention and he scumhunted, and since then he's been inactive. The inactivity sucks but he's been inactive everywhere so it doesn't make him scummy. Also you say he's just blending in with town? I think "blending in with town" and being inactive don't work together, to blend in with town you would be here but just drag along with popular reads. He just hasn't been here, there's a difference.

Oh yeah. I guess I'll have to stick with that. If you turn out to be scum, I might cry.
Ironically that's the same thing J said about EBR :awesome:

I'm pretty sure at this point Asdioh has seen the light though:



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No, Ran needs to die like now. Moth's post convinced me that we shouldn't lynch Asdioh toDay.

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So Asdioh has seen the light because he thinks you are town? SO now obviously Ran needs to die over Asdioh because of Moth's post...no no. You just don't want to lynch Asdioh because he thinks you are town, you've were appealing to him in your #1500 and now that he changed his read on you your read on him magically changes to town? Not buying it.

july whici of the following do you agree with:

gheb is buddying me

gheb is setting me up to be NKd

also you should joim me odn asdioh we can lynch gaybe tomorrow
Gheb is setting you up to be NKd imo. I would much prefer to lynch Gheb toDay because I have a stronger read on him, I will vote Asdioh before deadline though if Gheb lynch doesn't work for toDay.

@Asdioh: If you are town, realize Gheb is manipulating you to help him stay alive and keep votes off his wagon.

I'd love for Gheb to be copped to confirm his alignment.
I agree with this sentiment.

***** slap you for spending your time trying to scare people out of lynching you/trying to create doubt in people's minds to save yourself.

Mass costume claiming WILL have negative effects.

Gheb lets get this Asdioh lynch going down. July too
Agreed about mass costume claiming, we already saw from EBR that scum has fake costume claims, so town would just out all their costumes, so scum who have figured out the theme would guess the prs while town who has guessed the theme won't gain any insight into who is scum.

X1, what do you think of Gheb's changed opinion on an Asdioh lynch? Do you think his explanation for the change being Shadow Moth's post is legitimate?

I like Shadow Moth's post, although its not enough to convince me to vote Asdioh over Gheb atm.
 

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Yeah and that's a huge problem.

You're not even taking into account that you could be wrong, plain and simply. In essence that's synonymous to playing with a blindfold trial and error style. Instead of trying to predict hypothetical outcomes [hence me using "if" and not "when] to see where your so-called reads are actually leading to you latch onto something you don't like and place all your hope into it becoming true - and then you turn out to be wrong and you're back at zero because you've spent no thoughts on other possibilities. If you haven't made any yet then I challenge you to do so now because you're probably going to tunnel me for the rest of the game unless you're starting to open your mind now. So tell me, what would your plan be if you actually managed to lynch me and I were to flip town? Please do us this favor - show everybody that you haven't actually thought this whole thing through at all.

:059:
3 days till deadline - can we lynch Ran yet?

:059:
No, Ran needs to die like now. Moth's post convinced me that we shouldn't lynch Asdioh toDay.

:059:
The irony of these posts....

You literally do nothing but berate me for supposedly tunneling you to exclusion of all else, but you yourself have latched onto Ran like a tick to a dog in the woods. What are YOU going to do if your obsession with Ran lynches him and he flips town? What's your followup?

It's posts like these that continue to convince me that you're scum. You lecture me and others on the proper way to play and then do the very things you look down on.
 

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@Vult: Claiming later wouldn't be useful. Someone claims against me and I say "I can't ever appear as mafia" it still remains my word against his. No-one can now claim town cop with guilty on me. Why are you taking my aggression towards you as a scumtell? You posted terribly weak reasoning for me being scum and I rip into you for it - You're even asking why Town X1 would want to fire you up??? Because its easier to gauge genuine reactions when you're mad. You still haven't answered the main point here. Why is your analysis so shallow?????? Of all the things in this game which I've done you decide to attack me based purely off my part claim and the fact I was aggressive towards you.

@July: Lynch Asdioh with me. Gheb toMorrow fo' sho' then probably followed by Vult/JTB/Ran (dependent on whether any of them step their game up). We need this lynch to go through (and while I do agree it is ridiculously scummy of Gheb to try to force NL again, he's sufficiently capable of spouting enough bull**** and spreading dirt around before deadline to force the lynch away from him in this short time period.
 
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