SangfroidWarrior
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@J. For the alliance name I think we should all be characters from L4D, but don't make me Zoey please. (Been playing zombies on Black Ops lately so idea came from that but the characters aren't the same).
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J, I've been saying this all game. This is literally one of my main points for attacking him.~post~
Let's bring up the fact that most of his post is him throwing reads out the wazoo with no reasoning behind it to support any of them.
FoS: Swiss
J, push Swiss with me toMorrow. I'll be your Terra but without the betraying (maybe. I still have a mild scum read on you but this push with me might change that).@Ran:
Reads from Swiss based on his catch-up post from what I can surmise are as follows:
Scum: J, DH
Dislikes: Joey, Gova, EBR
Like: TC
Town: Ran, July, Swords, AA, Swords, Moth
No mention of a Sang read nor a few others. Weird he didn't comment on Circus. So I assume Sang/Circus are null with the rest of the players like Raz/Acro/Soupa. -Minus himself cuz lol duh.
But what changed so many things for him?
I'm expecting you on my Swiss push toMorrow too.@Swiss: I'm not liking what I've seen from you so far. You're reasoning for your picks Swiss (J and DH) are quite frankly lazy. You've incriminate both for meta reasons (and one extra vague reason for J). That's really simply not scum hunting Swiss.
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Moth: I'm actually going to move this guy up to slight town. The fact that I'm not liking Swiss now who he hasn't liked helps. Has steped up his town game since his 407.
I don't like the idea of alliances. Especially when I'm not in them. Looks like this is gonna happen no matter what I say though so I just want to say to everyone who isn't J in that group, be careful of him. He could easily be scum taking advantage of people's town reads on him.Now to those who weren't invited to the alliance can speak about it.
Look at each individual person and their joining posts into the alliance and tell me what you get from them. I'll dig each thing up in a second.
I have a better idea. Explain to me why despite our excuse we have 10~ more posts than you, almost all of them full of content whereas the majority of your posts are hissy fits with circus complaining about getting vigged.well
EBR, start posting, you hid behind your 'i don't like D1' excuse, you'd better start pumping out content.
X1 and Vult, please catch up as soon as possible. I'd also like you to look at Sang v J (430 to 450 or thereabouts) and say a few words on it.
this alliance thing is meh, please don't blindly trust one another
This is probably one of the most blatantly misconstrued pieces of garbage I have ever seen.July said:His extensive #334 wasn't per se bad, but it was just a lot of information and not a lot of analysis. His reasons for the Ran lynch seem like simple complacency and he doesn't want to let players be excused for acting stupid. Which is fair enough, and I don't agree with people having a town read on Ran "because he's Ran" and dismissing his actions. However, that is not the case for some people, myself included, who think Ran had pro-town intentions in mind with his actions. Furthermore most of his reasons for a Ran lynch divulge into things EBR doesn't like about Swords, and his Soup read seems to be based solely on his post about Sang v. J which isn't convincing. Also I don't like his #337 and #338 because they are pretty abrasive, however J and Kuz often battle it out to get a read on each other so I'm going to put those posts as null.
You expect me to pump out content while you havn't read the thread enough to provide me with any sort of scumpick. Wonderful.I haven't been engaged enough to offer proper scumpicks with reasoning off the bat and don't care to make up any to sate you. You'll get them eventually.
Doesn't really matter since he's dead now but let's get this answered.And for you, J: Why did you want Circus? I don't really remember him doing much. Can you point out the posts that made you think he was town?
This is pretty much a combo of Mine/Sang's/Moth's/Sword's reasoning for disliking Swissy. Also @ Moth read, his last post he made at the day is very telling, wouldn't you agree? Can I get a Sang read if you have anything from her read?While going back through posts for Ran/Sang, I found this gem. Whatever happened to that SangScum read from Swiss? He doesn't give a read on her in his catch-up post but talks to her iirc. Plus both Moth/Sang have dropped off his scum-list and got replaced with DH for what seems to be a meta reason...?
Like he seemed to want Sang dead purely because she had voted him and plus if he "ctrl+f'd" his name to find posts, he would have seen her being the person mentioning him the most. Plus I'm finding his suspicions a bit weird when looked at again. His Moth vote was because Moth disliked Swiss. Sang hate seems to stem from the dislike he is sending her. J dislike comes out of nowhere and primarily made up of meta (wrong meta at that >.>)
Let's bring up the fact that most of his post is him throwing reads out the wazoo with no reasoning behind it to support any of them.
FoS: Swiss
I don't see how you were afraid of people attacking the alliance? I have already stated that I didn't like some of the people in the alliance and I wouldn't hesitate from attacking them in fear of getting quadruple or triple omgused. If they DID defend each other it would look bad for them. I don't like your attempt to put doubt of the alliance for the reason you used because people HAVE attacked it (Me at least) and you haven't said anything about said alliance YeSterday. [I checked to see your posts and I didn't really see you comment on the alliance, if you did please quote it and link it]im more concerned that there's an alliance of any sort at all, especially if it'll make anyone think twice about voting somebody in said alliance
i'd rather you all be 'people who distrust EBR/Swiss'
I'm bringing attention to this again. I want everyone's thoughts on this.ridiculous amount of crap and i am in no mood to sift through this ****
wrt the huge J vs EBR, i again implore J to stop flirting in-thread
wtf is that claim
10/18 to lynch.
Dark Horse [11]: asianaussie, SangfroidWarrior, July, J, Circus, Sworddancer, Shadow Moth, Soupamario, traveling cat, EBR!, Swiss
Ranmaru [4]: Acrostic, Joey, Dark Horse, Red Ryu
Acrostic [1]: Gova
Circus [1]: Ranmaru
Not voting: Raziek
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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > Shadow Moth > J > Dark Horse
Joey > Shadow Moth > Ranmaru
Gova > Acrostic
Acrostic > Ranmaru
Circus > SangfroidWarrior > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
Raziek
Red Ryu > Joey > Ranmaru
July > Ranmaru > Gova > Dark Horse
EBR! > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
Dark Horse > Ranmaru
Soupamario > EBR! > Circus > Shadow Moth > EBR! > Dark Horse
Sworddancer > Swiss > EBR! > Dark Horse
Ranmaru > traveling cat > traveling cat > Circus
J > Circus > Unvote > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > EBR! > Dark Horse
asianaussie > Soupamario > Dark Horse
Shadow Moth > Joey > Swiss > Swiss > Ranmaru > Dark Horse
SangfroidWarrior > J > Unvote > Swiss > Dark Horse
traveling cat > Dark Horse
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>_>I have a better idea. Explain to me why despite our excuse we have 10~ more posts than you, almost all of them full of content whereas the majority of your posts are hissy fits with circus complaining about getting vigged.
Laughed IRLThis avatar makes me want to post walls.
You know how it feels...? Ya know what, never mind, don't wanna continue this convo.It's painful indeed
And since when have you been so considerate of meta? Finally taking my advice and putting that **** to good use?
Raaaaaaan ;_; Didn't you learn from the beginning what these types of questions do? These don't really help much of anything because they are generic and don't give much tells based on people. To me, nothing sticks on in the quote, DH's wagon was a hop on wagon so there would be a NL over someone such as yourself, there could be scum on it because it was a hop on and same with off it. You honestly cannot tell from that sort of wagon because we got the votes just to get the votes and have a lynch.
Ok, here's D1 Final Day Vote Count.
- I want everyone to give me thoughts on what sticks out in the quote.
- I also want thoughts on DH's wagon.
- Is there scum on it?
- Is there scum off it?
- Who is scum on that wagon if there is and why?
- Who is scum off the wagon if there isn't and why?
Hey, let's play a game? We all popcorn to the person to give answers to this.
I really don't get this response to that sort of thing you highlighted because it's true. So tell me, what's so weird about what they said?>_>
*neutral face*
*awaiting explanation face*
Well when you have absolutely 0 real reads I'd assume it's hard to remember what order the RNG popped them out of.Will catch up tonight, am at work.
Is it bad I've forgotten all of my stances other than J?
Vote J
Should probabaly re-read.
There's actually more of a reason why I like it. It holds independant thinking and also trying to get people that very well could shoot him down and turn the heat back to him saying, "I expect you doing this with ME". He says me a lot and focuses around himself which, to me, is pretty damn towny considering a player such as Moth.Oh you mean that he was the first one to actually voice concern about not liking the alliance/not being in it? I do remember making a mental note of that during my skim, now that I've read it again, and yes I like it.
Yes it did, that's why the wagon happened haha.Doesn't matter what DH did.
WIFOM, Town could have done the same thing.Ran said:Doesn't mean scum didn't get on the wagon.
WIFOM again, Town could have done the same thing for a lynch over a NL.Ran said:DH would be a prime opportunity to take for scum.
This is tainted reasoning Ran because simply put everyone on that wagon could say, "I didn't want a no lynch." or "My scum-pick wasn't getting attention." or "I didn't like the other lynch." and they can get away with that. The reads you get off of those questions would not help determine alignment and instead give answers that juts befuddle them. People who aren't on the wagon could simply say, "Woops, didn't log onto the cpu or I didn't feel like posting blahblahblah" ya know?Ran said:Analyzing why people got on DH would be beneficial to the town. If there isn't, then we'd have to look at the people OFF of it, and why they stayed off it. We are looking at people's stances, and trying to fish out the fake reasons.
How is it not a good excuse for people to have a life and therefore did not vote/unvote near deadline? Deadline was the entire reason for the DH wagon pretty much. There could be Ran, I'm not denying that. But how can you prove said action without concrete evidence? What you are saying is pure conjecture and does not hold up whatsoever.Ran said:I don't think it's good to excuse people because it was near deadline. In fact, I was pretty much Kentucky Fried Chicken, yet people had the time to switch to DH, so I do think there CAN be scum influence in it, because people had the time to think about switching to DH, and did. So I think your point is invalid, but I await for you to try and prove me wrong. ;D
I asked you first and it's polite to give things before you ask things of others ya know. I can do this but the fact is it is more important for you to explain to me why Vult is scummy rather than have me explain one of my town reads which is initially anti-town. ^^Ran said:On Vult, I would like to, but I don't think I have seen you explain it? Can you quote it for me before I explain? (If you explained it ToDay, since I asked :3 )