Hacking, Cheating, And just plain Dirtyness

[Metadour-2]

I've been watching a lot of competitive battling on youtube. And seeing all that battling, i've seen a lot of shiny pokemon. Lots of hacks. That's not cool.

What do you think? Is cheated pokemon cool with you or what? DO you use them? Do you think there are appropriate times to use them and times when it's just plain wrong?

I'm just wondering what percentage of my competition is cheating. And what percentage thinks it's cool.

 

[MasterMatt]

cheating is always wrong... it takes the fun out of the game... especially when you battle other people with the hacked pokemon and you tell them you dont cheat-that is really low...
i recently lost a few battles with some people who use action replay and did not tell me they had AR before the battle... i thought that was pretty low...

 

[9Kplus1]

Dang MM, you beat me to it.

 

[MasterMatt]

Dang MM, you beat me to it.

this means you agree with me right...

 

[titus]

hmm, I think that you should word your opinions better. why? u may ask, well i will tell you.
My friend has AR and i have pretty decent access to it. I am considering using the AR for one of my pokemon.
HUH! hacking a pokemon for your team! that's wrong!
hold on a sec, hear me out. yes hacking a pokemon with max IVs and EVs and illegal moves and abilities is wrong, but making one of your favourite pokemon shiny? how is that wrong? y would i say that? well bcuz i like shiny gallade. therefore if my friend breeds ralts eggs for me and i make the result shiny, where is the harm in that? does it really make me such a big cheater that I should be seen as a jerk, or an ars, or something? I dont think it does. so why do you? is it bcuz you lost to someone with a shiny? well, all i have to say to that is, tough *******!

 

[MasterMatt]

hmm, I think that you should word your opinions better. why? u may ask, well i will tell you.
My friend has AR and i have pretty decent access to it. I am considering using the AR for one of my pokemon.
HUH! hacking a pokemon for your team! that's wrong!
hold on a sec, hear me out. yes hacking a pokemon with max IVs and EVs and illegal moves and abilities is wrong, but making one of your favourite pokemon shiny? how is that wrong? y would i say that? well bcuz i like shiny gallade. therefore if my friend breeds ralts eggs and i make the result shiny, where is the harm in that? does it really make me such a big cheater that I should be seen as a jerk, or an ars, or something? I dont think it does. so why do you? is it bcuz you lost to someone with a shiny, well, all i have to say to that is, tough *******!

now just making a pokemon shiny WITHOUT altering its stats in any way... that is not so wrong, you are still cheating in a small degree but it does not affect the battle at all... i see no harm in doing that...

 

[commonyoshi]

Action Replay is the greatest thing to ever happen to pokemon. I strongly support using all sorts of hacks to do whatever you want with your competitive team (IVs, natures, egg moves) as long as it stays inside the boundaries set up by the makers of the game.

It in no way takes the fun out of the game. There is nothing fun about pressing the up and down buttons for hours to hatch a bunch of eggs. Spending your time battling people is fun. Repetitive nonsense is not.

Action Replay for the win.

 

[teeman92]

just imagine me online on diamond...

other guy: go golem
me:go sceptile
other guy: ice beam
me: OMGWTFBBQ!!

 

[frenchfri]

Action Replay is the greatest thing to ever happen to pokemon. I strongly support using all sorts of hacks to do whatever you want with your competitive team (IVs, natures, egg moves) as long as it stays inside the boundaries set up by the makers of the game.

It in no way takes the fun out of the game. There is nothing fun about pressing the up and down buttons for hours to hatch a bunch of eggs. Spending your time battling people is fun. Repetitive nonsense is not.

Action Replay for the win.

I'm with yoshi.

 

[CaliburChamp]

I have been having alot more fun with my Pearl Version of the game ever since I got AR. It enhances the replay value of the game. And Im satisfied I got it.

 

[KratosAurion192]

I have a GBA AR...so I have to migrate anything I hack. So...
1. I'm limited to six a day.
2. There isn't a shiny code for my AR (V2 if anyone knows a code)
3. I just catch the ones I want, since it would be impossible for me to obtain then any other way in this case.
4. I generate pokemon with the correct EVs to simplify EV training a little bit.
5. There is no IV modifier code.
6. I like having my team all in matching masterballs...

So AR wins...

 

[MasterMatt]

Action Replay is the greatest thing to ever happen to pokemon. I strongly support using all sorts of hacks to do whatever you want with your competitive team (IVs, natures, egg moves) as long as it stays inside the boundaries set up by the makers of the game.

It in no way takes the fun out of the game. There is nothing fun about pressing the up and down buttons for hours to hatch a bunch of eggs. Spending your time battling people is fun. Repetitive nonsense is not.

Action Replay for the win.

all right, i agree that it is really boring just breeding pokemon to get perfect IVs, but that is just a small part of the game and it only takes an hour or two to get the perfect pokemon...
by cheating and admitting that you have used AR to get your pokemon shows that you suck at the game because you cant even get your pokemon the real way... the joy you recieve when you win a battle is greatly diminished because you did not earn that win, you cheated to get that victory... any nOOb can can use action replay, but to play a game without ever cheating, that is skill... some people say that just pressing the up and down buttons are not skill at all and any brain-dead monkey can do it.... true, but if it so easy why dont you do it... so why dont you do it? because you are lazy and nothing but a cheater... because of you cheaters-you ruin the battling fun for everyone that does not cheat.... if you want to cheat go battle other cheaters... not people that do not cheat... simply put, if you claim to be good at a game and know how to play and win at it prove it... so far, very few people have shown that... cheaters never prosper... oolmonke

 

[omfgomfg]

the last pokemon game i had was ruby but uh..

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ruin_world
read the middle

 

[9Kplus1]

all right, i agree that it is really boring just breeding pokemon to get perfect IVs, but that is just a small part of the game and it only takes an hour or two to get the perfect pokemon...
by cheating and admitting that you have used AR to get your pokemon shows that you suck at the game because you cant even get your pokemon the real way... the joy you recieve when you win a battle is greatly diminished because you did not earn that win, you cheated to get that victory... any nOOb can can use action replay, but to play a game without ever cheating, that is skill... some people say that just pressing the up and down buttons are not skill at all and any brain-dead monkey can do it.... true, but if it so easy why dont you do it... so why dont you do it? because you are lazy and nothing but a cheater... because of you cheaters-you ruin the battling fun for everyone that does not cheat.... if you want to cheat go battle other cheaters... not people that do not cheat... simply put, if you claim to be good at a game and know how to play and win at it prove it... so far, very few people have shown that... cheaters never prosper... oolmonke

Exactly, although I'd only use an AR to get the event legendaries so I can trade them off in the GTS for legit ones.

 

[MrGreene]

but that is just a small part of the game and it only takes an hour or two to get the perfect pokemon...

Either we have different ideas about "perfect pokemon" or you're extremely lucky. It normally takes me a few days of hatching eggs before I get one with suitable IVs.

I am completely against the use of action replay for any purposes, because it shortens the time spent and gives the user an unfair advantage. If you want to play with perfect pokemon, wait until Competitor (pokemon battle simulator) comes out.

 

[commonyoshi]

all right, i agree that it is really boring just breeding pokemon to get perfect IVs, but that is just a small part of the game and it only takes an hour or two to get the perfect pokemon...

No, it takes much longer that that. MUCH longer.

by cheating and admitting that you have used AR to get your pokemon shows that you suck at the game because you cant even get your pokemon the real way... the joy you recieve when you win a battle is greatly diminished because you did not earn that win, you cheated to get that victory...

Getting pokemon through "the real way" is just stupid and a big fat waste of people's times. AR shows you actually know not to waste 5 hours hatching a bunch of larvitars who MIGHT get decent IVs.

any nOOb can can use action replay, but to play a game without ever cheating, that is skill... some people say that just pressing the up and down buttons are not skill at all and any brain-dead monkey can do it.... true, but if it so easy why dont you do it... so why dont you do it? because you are lazy and nothing but a cheater...

It is not skill at all. Knowing what pokemon/attack combinations to make your team perfect takes skill. Prediction takes skill. These are the things that make pokemon fun, not repetitiveness. If you actually enjoy this mindless button pressing then go ahead and do it for all I care. But why expect everyone else to follow your chore list?

Lazy? Or perhaps I just dont feel like wasting my time.

because of you cheaters-you ruin the battling fun for everyone that does not cheat.... if you want to cheat go battle other cheaters... not people that do not cheat... simply put, if you claim to be good at a game and know how to play and win at it prove it... so far, very few people have shown that... cheaters never prosper...

Oh, but there are more non-cheaters out there to battle. Why limit myself to the few who are wise enough to buy an AR? Once again, the AR doesn't make you a good trainer so there are more people out there without it who stand to be a good challenge. I'll battle them because pokemon is all about battling and not repetitiveness. In the perfect battling community, EVERYONE would have an AR.

Edit: You're segregating, by the way.

 

[KratosAurion192]

yoshi wins... end of story :D

 

[drcossack]

just imagine me online on diamond...

other guy: go golem
me:go sceptile
other guy: ice beam
me: OMGWTFBBQ!!

When did Golem gain the ability to act before Sceptile?

 

[Metadour-2]

well, i'll say a few things regarding this super heated debate.

1: Using an AR to make shiny pokemon isn't a big deal. Although it aint right that some of us have to do it the hard way, I see nothing wrong with it SO LONG AS YOU DON'T ALTER ANYTHING ELSE. Shiny pokemon aren't any more gifted than non shinies. I say yea on this subject.

2: Battling competitively with AR hacked pokemon...NOT COOL. It takes no skill at all to hack pokemon with perfect IVs and illegal moves and win. Anybody can do it, so why would you?

 

[drcossack]

2: Battling competitively with AR hacked pokemon...NOT COOL. It takes no skill at all to hack pokemon with perfect IVs and illegal moves and win. Anybody can do it, so why would you?

My movesets (just a few examples)

Adamant Rayquaza:
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Extremespeed

Hasty Palkia:
Aqua Tail
Thunderbolt
Surf
Spacial Rend

Modest Charizard:
Flamethrower
Air Slash
Focus Blast
Dragon Pulse

Funny, those don't look like illegal movesets. Yes, these are hacked Pokemon. Yes, they all have perfect IV's. Yes, I used the AR to give them those Natures.

Hypothetical: You breed 6 Pokemon (ie Heracross, Salamence, T-Tar, Metagross, Ninjask, Sceptile) to get perfect IV's, movesets, and natures, then proceed to EV train them. I use the AR to catch the same 6 pokemon, get perfect IV's and natures without breeding, give them the same movesets and items you're using, then EV train them.

Short of actually looking at where they were caught, would you be able to tell that my Pokemon were hacked? My guess is no.

 

[commonyoshi]

2: Battling competitively with AR hacked pokemon...NOT COOL. It takes no skill at all to hack pokemon with perfect IVs and illegal moves and win. Anybody can do it, so why would you?

There's no point in banning AR just because people misuse it and get pokemon with impossible movesets. It'd be like banning spoons at school because some kids used them as weapons. Just expell the kid.

How many times do I really need to say this? AR doesn't give you an autowin. Perfect IVed pokemon in the hands of a noob can be taken out by a pro. It is not cheap in any way. Also, you used the word "skill" again. Hatching perfectly IVed pokemon doesn't take skill. It takes the stupidity to waste your time. and luck

Like I said before, EVERYONE should have an AR. It would make the game a whole lot more competitive because people would have access to the pokemon they want instantly, giving more time for people to try out new team combos and stuff like that.

Think of AR like it's water and all of us are on a field playing soccer. Should AR, or in this case, water be banned because some people dont feel it is fair? It is helpful, it is good when used properly, everyone has access to it, why NOT use it?

 

[Dark Sonic]

It's perfectly acceptable to use action replay as long as what ever you're hacking is technically possible in normal gameplay. For example, you use AR to give your moves maximum usage. Since it is possible to take a bunch of pokemon with the skill "pick up" and find a bunch of PP ups, it's okay. The only thing that should be considered "Cheating" is giving pokemon things they normally can't have. Sableye with wonder guard, Fissure on Machamp, ect.

 

[Cuno56]

But having 6 sableyes with wonder guard = amazingness! Lol...yeah, using AR to just cut on time is okay, it's not cheating. Using a device to cut short on time is not cheating, and if you say it is, here's an analogy.

We're in a race. We must go from (random) New Zealand to Madagascar, and whoever gets there first wins. If you choose to swim, but I take an airplane, did I cheat? No...I cut short on time by NOT BEING AN IDIOT. Woot.

 

[greenblob]

I use non-hacked Pokemon (as in the ones I spent days/weeks/months breeding/training) most of the time, but I also keep a bunch of hacked ones (as in the ones that have perfect IVs/ideal natures via AR) if I know that there are quite a few people who are going to be using hacked Pokemon in the tournament.

 

[titus]

Okay, I think that we should all just agree that AR is fine to use on your team if it's for doing things that are possible to do without cheats, like making them have perfect IVs, shiny, giving them moves they can learn, and keep in mind that my team is going to be legit, so I am not an AR user, or at least not an owner, and I am siding with AR users. Why? well because as yoshi has stated all it does is make the process of building your team faster, it does not give you an advantage as someone else stated. If you do believe that it gives the person an advantage, and that AR users are noobs, then you should have no ****ing problem in beating them, should you?

 

[greenblob]

I think there should be tournaments that allow AR and tournaments that ban it. Pokemon should be about strategy, not how long you've played, but raising all of your own Pokemon is still commendable.

 

[9Kplus1]

Really, I'm not against AR users, I'm just against those little 9 -year old kids who use an AR for everything and the ones I really hate are the noobs who want to battle with you, they use a legendary and it has Wonder Guard! Or better yet they pwn you with an Abra that knows Sheer Cold, has maximum stats AND wonder guard, (it happened not too long ago really..............) anyway, ARs are fine, just don't make yourself look like a noob and hack every pokemon you get... sheesh, if I had the money and time, I'd go and but an AR myself so I can get some pokemon events or really, I can just go on eBay and get the Japanese version for $7.00, get to the E4 and glitch my way to Darkrai and Shaymin. What I'm saying is that cheating's okay, just don't overdo it.

 

[titus]

Exactly! Jeez. 10.

 

[KratosAurion192]

Now if only the PKNM community would go for that mindset...

 

[MasterMatt]

There's no point in banning AR just because people misuse it and get pokemon with impossible movesets. It'd be like banning spoons at school because some kids used them as weapons. Just expell the kid.

How many times do I really need to say this? AR doesn't give you an autowin. Perfect IVed pokemon in the hands of a noob can be taken out by a pro. It is not cheap in any way. Also, you used the word "skill" again. Hatching perfectly IVed pokemon doesn't take skill. It takes the stupidity to waste your time. and luck

Like I said before, EVERYONE should have an AR. It would make the game a whole lot more competitive because people would have access to the pokemon they want instantly, giving more time for people to try out new team combos and stuff like that.

Think of AR like it's water and all of us are on a field playing soccer. Should AR, or in this case, water be banned because some people dont feel it is fair? It is helpful, it is good when used properly, everyone has access to it, why NOT use it?

What? you compare water to AR... what a terrible way to compare two very unlike things...
AR is helpful and it is the quick and easy way to do things, but it just comes down to having a little pride in what you do... i mean sure you can cheat your way to get perfect pokemon or you can just breed a couple times to get somewhat decent IVs... even if the pokemon is not perfect at least you got it the real way and it shows by your time spent playing your game, and by how many eggs you have hatched...if the pokemon is not perfect, so what?-the flaws show your hardship in raising it, like humans- each human has flaws but that is what makes us unique, if every pokemon was perfect it would be no fun. every pokemon would have the same exact stats and would be like a bunch of mindless identical fighting clones, how boring...
if a kid misused a spoon in school then you should expel the kid- if someone abuses action replay they should be banned from tournaments and battles with other kids that do not cheat... all right i am getting a little tired of arguing so i dont really care if you cheat or not...
this is america last time i checked so go ahead and do what you please...
but for me personally, i chose to do things the hard way...Why?-call me old fashioned, an idiot, or just plain stupid... but i think when you win a battle it will make the victory even sweeter if you can say,"i have never cheated at pokemon", can you say that AR users, NO and you never can... but before i end my little speech,i have one more thing to say to AR users everywhere- you are weak, you do things the easy way and as a result you succeed... you AR users are nothing but losers,cheaters and scum... i hope your game loses all its data... that would be ironic and extremely funny...

 

[KratosAurion192]

I cheat at pokemon... **Tastes**

I don't cheat at pokemon **to busy making party to taste**


Too much work for a game that's it...

 

[NickRiddle]

What? you compare water to AR... what a terrible way to compare two very unlike things...
AR is helpful and it is the quick and easy way to do things, but it just comes down to having a little pride in what you do... i mean sure you can cheat your way to get perfect pokemon or you can just breed a couple times to get somewhat decent IVs... even if the pokemon is not perfect at least you got it the real way and it shows by your time spent playing your game, and by how many eggs you have hatched...if the pokemon is not perfect, so what?-the flaws show your hardship in raising it, like humans- each human has flaws but that is what makes us unique, if every pokemon was perfect it would be no fun. every pokemon would have the same exact stats and would be like a bunch of mindless identical fighting clones, how boring...
if a kid misused a spoon in school then you should expel the kid- if someone abuses action replay they should be banned from tournaments and battles with other kids that do not cheat... all right i am getting a little tired of arguing so i dont really care if you cheat or not...
this is america last time i checked so go ahead and do what you please...
but for me personally, i chose to do things the hard way...Why?-call me old fashioned, an idiot, or just plain stupid... but i think when you win a battle it will make the victory even sweeter if you can say,"i have never cheated at pokemon", can you say that AR users, NO and you never can... but before i end my little speech,i have one more thing to say to AR users everywhere- you are weak, you do things the easy way and as a result you succeed... you AR users are nothing but losers,cheaters and scum... i hope your game loses all its data... that would be ironic and extremely funny...

Okay, it's nice that you like raising your own Pokemon without AR, but you are pretty freaking insulting. It's a **** video game, and yes there are people who spend dozens of hours a Pokemon to get perfect IVs and natures...Why not just do it in minutes? It's the same **** thing.
Losers, cheaters, and scum? I understand the cheaters but the other two? Losers (No offense if you did this) would be more like the pople with 800 hours of gameplay to get the 15 Pokemon they want legit and perfect, rather than doing it in an hour with AR...And scum? Jesus, what world do you live in? It's not like they killed or ***** somebody, they did something to save time. OH NO, ANYTHING BUT THAT! Hey, how about from now on we walk everywhere instead of drive/fly? Next time you want to talk to your friend, walk to their house and talk to them and spend the time doing that instead of calling them on the phone. See where I'm going with this? Same concept.

 

[commonyoshi]

What? you compare water to AR... what a terrible way to compare two very unlike things...

The point was that they both help you, and it would be dumb to choose not to use either.

AR is helpful and it is the quick and easy way to do things, but it just comes down to having a little pride in what you do... i mean sure you can cheat your way to get perfect pokemon or you can just breed a couple times to get somewhat decent IVs... even if the pokemon is not perfect at least you got it the real way and it shows by your time spent playing your game, and by how many eggs you have hatched...

There is little pride in pressing the up and down buttons for hours. I'm sorry, but what the heck are you trying to say here? There is no honor in it at all.

if the pokemon is not perfect, so what?-the flaws show your hardship in raising it, like humans- each human has flaws but that is what makes us unique, if every pokemon was perfect it would be no fun. every pokemon would have the same exact stats and would be like a bunch of mindless identical fighting clones, how boring...

What horrible thinking. You're just saying this because you're losing the argument. I'm not even going into this at all. If you wanted to be "different" then why bother to even IV breed/EV train your pokemon? Why not be special instead and suck?

but for me personally, i chose to do things the hard way...Why?-call me old fashioned, an idiot, or just plain stupid... but i think when you win a battle it will make the victory even sweeter if you can say,"i have never cheated at pokemon", can you say that AR users, NO and you never can...

This is a game designed for children. I think it's very ironic that you need to grow up and realize that.

Now if this were Smash Bros. or Halo... ^_^ or DDR.

but before i end my little speech,i have one more thing to say to AR users everywhere- you are weak, you do things the easy way and as a result you succeed... you AR users are nothing but losers,cheaters and scum... i hope your game loses all its data... that would be ironic and extremely funny...

You know what's funnier? We can just hack back everything!

 

[greenblob]

Once Colosseum is released, there should be two types of tournaments: Colosseum tournaments and non-AR DS tournaments.

 

[Mic_128]

When did Golem gain the ability to act before Sceptile?

The same way it learned the ability to use Ice beam.

I have to confess, I do like giving pokemon moves they can't normally use, but only to see how the attack's animated on whatever 3D poke game there is. (IE I've got a Magicarp on Saphire that knows Irontail, hyperbeam, Megakick and ShadowBall just to see the animation. Shame he just splashes for all of em, heh. :/ )

 

[KratosAurion192]

Once Colosseum is released, there should be two types of tournaments: Colosseum tournaments and non-AR DS tournaments.

Colosseum? What are you talking about?

 

[greenblob]

Whoops... Replace "Competitor" with "Colosseum."

...and it looks like I used "Colosseum" every time I meant Competitor...

 

[pikachun00b7]

I want to use the AR for my teams. Don't worry my stats/movepool will be legal. I do not want to spend my time EV training/ breeding for IVs for HOURS. I'd rather use an AR. I am willing to try to play competitively, but have a life. What if you messed your team, are you supposed to start over?

There are two ways of doing things.

1. Get your team by training many many many many many hours, with the chance you messed up so you try again.
-OR-
2. Use an AR and get your dream team NOW.

Which way would the Idiot do? If you do #1 then good luck! If you do #2 make sure it is LEGAL .

I do not want to wait for Competitor since it is not like battling with the DS. Waste hours of your time as you want, but if you are bothered by ARers then NO JOHNS!!!

@ Kudos to you commonyoshi you are the very few that are plausible here. And in SSBM we have a name for people like the anti ARers....SCRUBS!

 

[Deleted member]

actually, breeding in DP isn't the same as it is in previous ADV games. In ADV games, a random IV is passed, then one random IV that isn't HP is passed, then a random IV that isn't HP or defense is passed, and the rest are random.

In DP it seems to be based off of a random number generator so that you can choose which IVs are passed, so I just pass all of them from the better parent for each stat. To fix the loophole assuming neither parents has an IV of 31, you can subsequently stack the both of them, and they will eventually add up. You also have to preserve the females to keep their nature, but even though it all sounds complicated, I've had much success breeding max IV pokes with good natures, even with breed moves. So far I've bred max IV for 3 modest will o wisp ralts with trace, one hasty smeargle, one bold wynaut, 3 timid endeavor treeko, 2 bold chansey with counter, 1 jolly sneasel with ice punch, pursuit, and counter, yesterday I got 3 dragon dance adamant charmanders, and 2 dragon dance adamant larvitars.

the sneasel and larvitars were easy since I used max IV smeargle and charmander so I only had to pass the IVs for 1 generation.

I have not had any luck breeding for shinies, and have no shinies to start with.

Now as far as action replay goes, if it has no impact on the battle, I don't care if it's used. When random **** has wonder guard, then it's a problem.

 

[titus]

Wow, commonyoshi just pwned the AR haters, lol. someone should just make a poll about this debate and see which side will win.