Ground breaking new Ic ability or monstrosity you decide

[swordgard]

Seriouslf guys, wtf is up with you guys believing this makes ics instantly broken. This has alot of problems in that form, especially if your MK.

No ban until overcentralization, dont be scrub.

 

[Hyesz]

Well, judging by what Sirchadakiss said, maybe it's those hitstun happy attacks that trigger this.

Experiment with Ganon Jab and D-Air. Make the MatchUp 99:1.

I'd love to dedicate more time to learning what triggers this but I don't own a wii. Sorry IC boards.

 

[djm111]

We know that the fusion is activated by Nana being unable to fuse with Popo during Squall Hammer due to being hit by an attack.
Logically, wouldn't this therefore follow that it should technically be able to do with any attack, but easier with attacks with higher hitstun?
Also, would it be possible that this only works if Squall Hammer is past its start up frames when Nana comes out of Hitstun? This would explain why people haven't managed to get other moves working. Multihit moves (Like MK's tornado) could be easier to set this up with. Moves like Wario's Dair, provided they're spaced to only hit Nana, might work.

 

[Firestormzero0]

yeah, its kool and all that it works off of regular attacks, but i like fusing off of projectiles much better.
1. there easier.
2. i would rather pivot grab the attack anyway to guarantee my stock.

 

[Hyesz]

What about Ganon's jab?

 

[Tyr_03]

it's not broken because it makes Ice Climbers too good. it's broken because it makes it theoretically possible for the ice climbers to stall out an entire match with no risk to themselves.

 

[Kinzer]

Seriouslf guys, wtf is up with you guys believing this makes ics instantly broken. This has alot of problems in that form, especially if your MK.

No ban until overcentralization, dont be scrub.

Of course you won't tell anybody, will you? ^_^

 

[napZzz]

this'll be banned in a month, I guarantee it lol. Until then I'll try and break a tournament with it

^

all its gonna take is for one ic main to win a tourney using this and it's gone tbh. Just once even to sway a game.

 

[ch33s3]

^

all its gonna take is for one ic main to win a tourney using this and it's gone tbh. Just once even to sway a game.

I feel the only matchup this DRASTICALLY effects is vs ZSS. MK can still knock us off stage and force us to defuse.

 

[swordgard]

Of course you won't tell anybody, will you? ^_^

Nope, i dont need to hand out info to MKs so that they know even more to beat me. I dont have enough MKs to practice with to afford that.

 

[cubaisdeath]

...Dude...I was doing Ice block...within' a De-synce'd Squall hammer! Ban plz.

Their CG's are already broken as it is :/

good job, I'll just dair camp you and none of that will mean anything.

stop saying its broken until you win 100% of your matches using this technique. CG's aren't broken, they've been apart of smash and a part of the IC metagame for 8+ years. there is a 1 frame window to activate the fusion, I don't see why it should be banned when you can't get it guaranteed.

brawl kids are such crybabies, ****

 

[chewyy]

I messed with this for a little bit.

They don't teleport unless nana is stuck in the constant up-B thing, right?

 

[Firestormzero0]

I messed with this for a little bit.

They don't teleport unless nana is stuck in the constant up-B thing, right?

correct my good sir.

 

[napZzz]

I feel the only matchup this DRASTICALLY effects is vs ZSS. MK can still knock us off stage and force us to defuse.

diddy says hi

 

[swordgard]

good job, I'll just dair camp you and none of that will mean anything.

stop saying its broken until you win 100% of your matches using this technique. CG's aren't broken, they've been apart of smash and a part of the IC metagame for 8+ years. there is a 1 frame window to activate the fusion, I don't see why it should be banned when you can't get it guaranteed.

brawl kids are such crybabies, ****

You know usually i hate this type of stereotyping but lately the tactical discussion boards and even here have shown me that there is a whole lot more of such things happening in brawl : (

 

[Kinzer]

Nope, i dont need to hand out info to MKs so that they know even more to beat me. I dont have enough MKs to practice with to afford that.

It's honestly sad how you have to resort to this kind of thing to get wins.

But I suppose it's more about money than it is about just getting better, isn't it?

I'm done with this thread after this post. I've done nothing not preach how keeping knowledge like this is stupid and ultimately pointless. Do as you wish, but I suppose you'll enjoy that quick buck for as long as you can.

 

[Smoom77]

But I suppose it's more about money than it is about just getting better, isn't it?

Did we mention money at all? Swordgard said 'afford', that doesn't actually mean he's losing money.

._.

 

[cubaisdeath]

if you're not playing for money, what are you playing for?

 

[Sovereign]

if you're not playing for money, what are you playing for?

*Looks up Fast and Furious script line for Paul Walker(Bryan)*

"Respect."

 

[Spelt]

brawl kids are such crybabies, ****

melee players never whine about how stupid brawl is.
never.

 

[Eggz]

soooo pikachu gets ***** by ICs
falco gets ***** by ICs even more...

annnnd?

 

[chewyy]

Unless you figure out a way to stop the teleportation glitch, it will and should be banned.

I messed with this for a little bit.

They don't teleport unless nana is stuck in the constant up-B thing, right?

correct my good sir.

Close enough?

If there's something that you or your opponent can do that stops the teleportation glitch once it has started, there will be no reason to ban it whatsoever.

SD? idk. What triggers the glitch that makes nana keep trying to up B?

ok then, presume that i 'accidentally' fused against a falco (its not like you can tell falco not you use his lasers; its all he has against the ics). try proving that i did it deliberately (since it is very possible to do by accident). and once ive fused, then wait? he both stop playing until i use a recovery move. lol. in short, because it can happen by accident, you cant really ban it or police it properly.

and alfa, this is nothing like judgement. i jump, you get teleported under the stage and die. gg. judgment is completely different.

i love ics, and would love for them not to be banned, but at this point, i can definately see it happening in the future.

At how many of the tournaments that have happened since Brawl came out has someone accidentally fused? Thinking is difficult stuff!

 

[Spelt]

At how many of the tournaments that have happened since Brawl came out has someone accidentally fused? Thinking is difficult stuff!

there is no way of knowing that.
unless you're present at every single tournament or have watched a youtube video of every single tourney set inc. ICs.

so, how many fingers am i holding up?

 

[ch33s3]

diddy says hi

Thinking says Hi. How do you fuse against diddy, exactly?

 

[napZzz]

Thinking says Hi. How do you fuse against diddy, exactly?

I didn't know how it was activiated until just now. :/

ic's are officially a top tier team mate with this fusion. Just team with someone who can activate this tech. lol. GG

 

[Firestormzero0]

I didn't know how it was activiated until just now. :/

ic's are officially a top tier team mate with this fusion. Just team with someone who can activate this tech. lol. GG

i agree.

 

[EverAlert]

there is no way of knowing that.
unless you're present at every single tournament or have watched a youtube video of every single tourney set inc. ICs.

so, how many fingers am i holding up?

Seriously, if ANYONE had ever done this by accident in tournament then we would have heard about it, there are very few people in this world who wouldn't be all "OMG I DISCOVERED SOMETHING AMAZING/OMG THAT WAS WEIRD EXPLAIN IT PLZ GUIS" if this happened by accident to them. It's a simple combination of the basic human need to socialise and the basic human need for variety.

Yes, there is no logical, hard, factual way of knowing that, but we can definitely assume within reason that it hasn't happened.

SD? idk. What triggers the glitch that makes nana keep trying to up B?

Grabbing Popo does it, I dunno what else. :/

 

[swordgard]

It's honestly sad how you have to resort to this kind of thing to get wins.

But I suppose it's more about money than it is about just getting better, isn't it?

I'm done with this thread after this post. I've done nothing not preach how keeping knowledge like this is stupid and ultimately pointless. Do as you wish, but I suppose you'll enjoy that quick buck for as long as you can.

Man, you are so getting the wrong idea here.


This technique did not have a long lifespawn so far, so id like to be able to test with it a bit before MKs find that 1 counter which i know can be a huge threat to it. Not only that, but this has nothing to do with money. When i said i cant afford to give it away vs MKs, its because its also a powerful tool vs ics in general. There are no MKs in my region(well, holy secondaries him but that doesnt cut it), so id rather wait until i get more MKs to train vs this than give it away while i cant train to beat it. Yes, i am only delaying the inevitable, its not the best technique out there though but its still usefull. Also, i am in no way obligated to share techniques with my opp, i do it with the ics boards to help em get better, but i am in no way obliged to do so either, i just think its better for them.

Now for all i care, i dont have to tell everyone how to beat ics, they can go find that on their own . I already helped alot of people with the matchup, I helped everyone i can in my region to find a way to counter ics with their char. So if you still believe its all about that quick buck, let me show you how mistaken you are.
SSBB Singles at BISB 2
1: Ally (Snake)
2: Swordgard (IC)
3: Holy (ROB)
4: Dom (Snake)
5: Stroumbert (Falco, and link once vs me trying to counter me lolol)
5: Mar1 (DK)
7: Knuckles (MK)
7: Agora (ROB)

If you still think its for that "quick buck", then let me also emphasize the fact that we have tourneys every 3 months or so, and im the one hosting them, thats not quick money, especially with ally/holy in the equation. I dont think it would affect much my performance here, but its not my job to go and look for tricks for MK users. Not even for ics player, im just doing it cause i think they are very underepresented for the potential they have. MK has their own boards, they can make some moar research. I usually help other people also so that when i play them theres more challenge and i can improve more, but there is no point with MK since theres like 3 MKs that go to my tourney.


TL:DR
Go read it anyways.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

soooo pikachu gets ***** by ICs
falco gets ***** by ICs even more...

annnnd?

I agree, very situational.

Poor Falco xD

 

[Diddyknight]

Very very situational lol. This became a hot topic xD

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

brokin tek

remoov from gaem

 

[Dominic]

swordgard is good teacher +1

 

[chewyy]

Grabbing Popo does it, I dunno what else. :/

They we need to find a way to fix the glitch other than SDing or that's what is going to have to happen (required SD) when the gltich happens because random teleporting when on or off stage is unacceptable.

I haven't had the chance to mess with it. Does grabbing an edge fix it?

also, do they teleport when they are on the stage? i'll mess with this later...

 

[Firestormzero0]

They we need to find a way to fix the glitch other than SDing or that's what is going to have to happen (required SD) when the gltich happens because random teleporting when on or off stage is unacceptable.

I haven't had the chance to mess with it. Does grabbing an edge fix it?

also, do they teleport when they are on the stage? i'll mess with this later...

no grabbing the ledge does not fix it and yes they can teleport while they are on the stage if they jump somewhere around you, i havnt quite figured out how it works yet.

 

[Smoom77]

if you're not playing for money, what are you playing for?

You can try to have fun and still try to win at the same time. Ally said at one point that he hated the game as was going to quit. Even though he was winning multiple tournaments, he didn't have fun. He didn't quit though.

I haven't had the chance to mess with it. Does grabbing an edge fix it?
No. Nana stays in the same state.

also, do they teleport when they are on the stage? i'll mess with this later...
Iirc, they can. The first video of gameplay of them showed an fsmash causing it.

I've also noticed on stages like Yoshi's Island (Brawl) that don't have anything underneath, they aren't teleported beneath the stage, but to where Nana is (I'm not sure though.). We need to test the glitch on other stages also.

 

[chewyy]

An f-smash caused the teleport or caused nana to go into that state?

Okay, so I did some testing on smashville (Falco, training mode)
If falco tried to jump when in the quadrant formed when putting a vertical line through the ICs, and a horizontal line from the ICs in the direction that nana "died", he would teleport and footstool nana.

Also, if the ICs were on or above (e.g. moving platform) the main part of the stage when Falco teleported, he would be teleported underneath the main part of the stage (directly underneath the ICs). But when the IC's were above the lip of smashville or further (e.g. moving platform) falco would teleport on top of nana and footstool her.

Also, falco would only teleport when nana was in her falling animation. Otherwise he would move as if he footstooled an invisible character directly where he was (if he was in the quadrant). No footstooling or teleportation occurred outside of the quadrant I previously mentioned.

I didn't have any exceptions to these generalities. I also couldn't fix nana's condition.

edit: I tried it on Shadow Moses and falco always teleported to nana (when she was in her falling animation thing)

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

The OP needs to be updated badly. If it doesn't get updated, then a new thread will have to be made. The problem is, I'm seeing a lot of questions being asked, answered and then re-asked on the next page because people haven't bothered to read through the entire thread (and I don't blame them). If you want to make any progress with this at all, then it needs to be dealt with properly. Update the OP with all relevant info that has been discovered up until now throughout the thread and include all relelvant vids. Then continue to update when other things get discovered.
But hey, it's not my character. You can deal with this however you want. I'm only trying to help.

 

[Smoom77]

I agree above poster.

Btw, here's some experiments on Rainbow Cruise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLkEDv8ey14
I think I saw Nana being footstooled while in free-falling and she came back!

 

[Firestormzero0]

hey smoom u do realized that jon could of made it back to the stage most of those times. cuz when Jon gets teleported, he has unlimited jumps as long nana is not blinking yet. also as long as jon has not used his second jump before getting teleported.
also when nana came back, its cuz remember, in all actuality when u fsmash and the squall with nana, the game is reading nana as doing as a squall of the edge. and so nana tried recovering from off the edge and she made it back to the stage by herself, and then she was trying to run and jump back to where popo is at. and she failed and so she started blinking again.

 

[Snipa4800]

Sorry I've been kind of busy ill update the OP.
Is there anything besides the footstool that leads to the teleport glitch?