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[#HBC | marshy]

@ j

what is ranmarus alignment?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ok back, going to try to beast through this monstrosity today.

 

[KevinM]

You're blowing up J if you're suiciding an obv scum.

If you want to go with someone that I'm not 100 percent certain on but would still like dead because I'm like 80 percent scumsure on it would be July

75 percent on Raziek.

So really any of those people dying in the imminent future is a pretty good play.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Alright, talk to me about that. A lot of people are decided on scumJ but people still seem to put scumJuly on the same team with that. Why?

 

[KevinM]

J and July would distance almost certainly in my opinion because their similar approaches to the Day would be noticable in how they choose to disclose their opinion on certain players and reads. To get around something like that their best option would be to distance during this entire it's me or Marshy sequence which puts them on two sides of a fence without having to do it directly in the spotlight. With J being pressured by so many it's really a no brainer to put July as far away from him as possible.

July not having any reads for the most part that I agree with as well as for most intents and purposes having little to no input in the game is a large red flag for me.

I mean I could reuse that red flag for Raz and Ran but they aren't being pressured by an all but confirmed scum and the reason for that I feel is because J doesn't want them being pushed away from him.. possible mislynches it's better to just try and have the least connections with. At least from any amount of mafia playing i've done it's what I've found to be the safest option.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

J and July would distance almost certainly in my opinion because their similar approaches to the Day would be noticable in how they choose to disclose their opinion on certain players and reads. To get around something like that their best option would be to distance during this entire it's me or Marshy sequence which puts them on two sides of a fence without having to do it directly in the spotlight. With J being pressured by so many it's really a no brainer to put July as far away from him as possible.

July not having any reads for the most part that I agree with as well as for most intents and purposes having little to no input in the game is a large red flag for me.

I mean I could reuse that red flag for Raz and Ran but they aren't being pressured by an all but confirmed scum and the reason for that I feel is because J doesn't want them being pushed away from him.. possible mislynches it's better to just try and have the least connections with. At least from any amount of mafia playing i've done it's what I've found to be the safest option.

Alright--how does this apply to D1 though? Their song and dance has been going on for longer than just today.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Am willing to lynch Marshy for being the only player in the game who would shoot Macman.

Hmm, this is WIFOM. YesturDay pretty much everyone agreed that Marshy was leaning town and that Macman was leaning scum. I actually understand your thought process of "vets shoot other vets because they perceive them as their biggest threats," but it doesn't really make sense for a scum Marshy to shoot someone that everyone perceived as scum, unless he wanted to incriminate KevinM who Macman DID think was scum. However even that I don't see, since I can't see the benefit of scum wanting to incriminate KevinM when they had so many easier targets.

If you want to look at it from the PoV of "only vets would shoot Macman," then honestly occum's razor would point to KevinM. That said, it's still WIFOM and I don't want to go down this path.

Swords, what exactly is your opinion on Ran again? What did you gain the most out of the Mentos lynch and who is what based on the town flip?

Ran's town bro. Like, easily my strongest town read.

About Mentos, there's so much to read not that I honestly don't want to reread Day 1 stuff to answer this question. I can't really recall anything that I got out of it off of the top of my head besides from the fact that I didn't like WL's jump onto it. If you really want an answer out of me then poke me with this question latter on.

Super null. Obvious posturing, but I'd do it as either alignment. It was mainly to see what other people would say.

My big issue with J is stuff like motioning to not listen to me for the rest of the phase which is something I don't think would ever come from the lips of TownJ.

@Bold: Why?

Also I don't think I'll take that reaction as null. It just seemed too genuine to me. Like, J did pretty much everything a townie should of done in that situation (i.e., list off his reads real quickly). If J was scum who was just "posturing," then I don't think he would of done all of that. Plus I'm taking into account the timing of it. Gorf was online when you "shot" J, so if J was scum then he would of been taking a chance just to post so much in the limited amount of time that he had.

This is a post I really like by Marshy. Especially with a macmanTown flip. Reason being, I like the way he tries to show what he is saying and also he brought up valid points against macman but he was being fair in them too. He was just stating facts and didn't seem to try and twist macman's words in order to get him lynched and the like.

His reads are also coming across clear for good reasoning that I agree with. I.e. his push on WL yesterDay over the Mentos wagon.

Can you explain to me any scum-intent you feel behind Marshy?

I know this doesn't mean much for since I'm saying this in retrospect but I honestly liked Macman's last post after I thought about it over the Night. They seemed very . . . honest to me.

Also I don't really see why someone "showing their thought process" makes them townie.

Lower on the list of priorities I guess would be a better way to put it for me.



You are just proving my point of you. ;P Can you please respond to what I actually poised to you instead of babble about your ego for a couple of posts? Did I ever say he was auto-town? No. I just implied that he was a strong town read of mine. Why is Marshy scum then Ryker since you seem so antsy to call him that if you are bugged by that post?

Well, in all fairness you DID pretty much call him your strongest town read, stating that you'll "defend him" against Ryker. Stating that you're reading someone as "strong town" seems pretty synonymous with "dropping them off of your radar," which is what you were being accused of.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yeah, but I want to know why he wanted to quick hammer instead of waiting himself... to hammer like he said.

Unless you think he just randomly sets up quick hammers... for no reason???

Take it as null. Marshy as town would be confident enough in his scum read to quick lynch someone.

Ok, makes sense. BUT now that you say that...

July wasn't his scumread... He wasn't really enthusiastic about it until that point, that was why I was asking him that. D1 he said he had an opinion of July but never really gave it. Yet I don't think she was because he wasn't all that confident about it.

This is a good point.

@Marshy: Why were you okay all of the sudden with July dying?

Too bad? Haha there is nothing else I can say besides the fact that I read the question wrong. I also don't really get the point of trying to guess who exactly would have killed Macman considering he was not the towniest and actually was looking scummy in the twilight phase of the game yesterDay. The way you want me to answer is the obvy answer of, the vets would want to kill Macman. I.E. Marshy/KevinM, inflating your reasoning for MarshyScum.

@Bold: Believable.

[QUOTEould be a JoAT with a one-shot DK ability. It's not limited to just DK-SK, yet again I want you ignored because your reads don't seem real and seem just faked-fluff that you are coming up with at the seat of your pants. Until I actually see some analysis, I stand by want I said.[/QUOTE]

Mmmm okay J this is actually really bad WIFOM. Like this is almost as bad as EE/Kuzi suggesting Godfather WIFOM in DK mafia (ask Kantrip, I didn't even read the game but I totally caught Kuzi/EE off of just one post they made). You seem to be reaching for a point against Ryker and you should know better. Don't like.

Thing is Ryker, I am town, you are just not smart at this current game of mafia.

Fine then Ryker let's move on from this, why don't you wanna lynch July? I've asked you this twice now and I want your read on her. Also what do you make of Swords jump on the July wagon after I was announced not dead to your gambit?

Good thing to try to move on from your conversation with Ryker, it was getting redundant.

J do you not think that I'm town?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

And now Swords is just adding to the J needs to die fire.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Read posts 520-560. Didn't really get much out of it besides from the idea that J and Marshy might be scum together? I HIGHLY doubt that. One of them miiiiiiiiight be scum but I doubt both together. J directly defended Marshy which is not something I really expect out of any scum mates unless it's **** tales.

WL you seem pretty content on J. You would of happened to post a full read list, would you? If not, could you? If so, just ignore this and wait for me to get to it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Also skipped July's wall post. Will get back to that later.

And now Swords is just adding to the J needs to die fire.

Well I'm not really convinced.

Sure J has posted some poop arguments but that reaction to Ryker's "shot" still has sold.

Also since some people were questioning it, the reason I jumped onto July after J didn't flip WAS because of J's reaction which I liked. I felt like I could trust J at that point, and I know J's has good reads as town, so I decided to jump aboard.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

p. sure i've posted reads awhile ago. I'll reiterate since people still seem not to get them.

Town
Ryker/LDR--hurrdurr
Ranmaru--dumb play but overall I highly doubt he'd flip scum. He's been an adamant of both July and myself but he's also been on the J train or at least admitted to having J as scum to my knowledge (if i'm wrong, correct me). He's been out there and actively scumhunting, to my knowledge. Even if he's off-base every now and then, but that's expected from Ran.
Swordy--I'd take Swordy to LyLo because he's playing smart and actually fleshing **** out but I'd lynch him there, depending on his mates. There are a couple of minor off things he's done but overall I have a solid town read on him.

Could be town:
July--Dependent on who the scumteam is. Apparently the J/July possibility isn't that far out of reach, but with J/Marshy being a decent possibility I doubt that. If marshy flips town, I'd be more willing to look at this. This is really my only basis for townJuly--the fact that scumJ is so adamant for her and that she doesn't really fit on a scum team. KevMo's points are making me requestion this.

Could be scum:
Raz: Hurrdurr not even here. Heard his intro post was terrible, haven't even really read a real post from him.
KevMo/marshy: Solely from the MacMan shot. I'm about to go over this because I need to flesh this out on my own a bit more.

Is scum:
J--I've been over this so many times. J is scum regardless.


OH GOG WHY DID YOU BRING UP ****TALES FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Hmm, this is WIFOM. YesturDay pretty much everyone agreed that Marshy was leaning town and that Macman was leaning scum. I actually understand your thought process of "vets shoot other vets because they perceive them as their biggest threats," but it doesn't really make sense for a scum Marshy to shoot someone that everyone perceived as scum, unless he wanted to incriminate KevinM who Macman DID think was scum. However even that I don't see, since I can't see the benefit of scum wanting to incriminate KevinM when they had so many easier targets.

If you want to look at it from the PoV of "only vets would shoot Macman," then honestly occum's razor would point to KevinM. That said, it's still WIFOM and I don't want to go down this path.

Really? I feel like it's a path worth going down simply because it's such a telling shot.

The way I see it, MacMan was shot for one of three reasons: he was a threat to one of the scumteam and they thought they could get away with it, he was shot amongst a group of targets people were sure would not get the doc protect, or he was shot to frame marshy/KevMo. Or it was a fluke at PR hunting but that would involve someone knowing MacMan's meta and that goes right back to the first thing.

By that time, Mentos, EE, and Jerkus were dead. That leaves Ryker, myself, you, J, marshy, KevMo, Ranmaru, July, and Raz.

Scummy players were MacMan, July, Kevmo, myself, correct? Raz wasn't here, and town players were pretty much J/marshy/Ryker/Swordy/Ran.

Raz can be thrown out as a possible target--he wasn't here, he's not a threat, and he could just as easily be scum himself. Any sensible scum--and all of us here are sensible scum--would not shoot Raz because that benefits town. You can probably chalk the same up for my slot--I was replacing out, was not here, was not a threat, and had a very real shot of getting lynched.

Ryker probably wasn't getting touched for a lot of reasons.

J is scum and therefore wouldn't shoot July because he thought he could just lynch July.

So that immediately whittles the pool down to MacMan/KevMo/marshy/Ran/Swordy.

Now as you pointed out, MacMan was viewed as scummy at the time. But of that pool, he's the only one that was really viewed as scummy. I have no idea about KevMo but the rest were viewed as town. Yet, MacMan got shot. Why? Why?

It can't be because they were shooting randomly amongst those. You or Ran were so much better shots because you two actually could be threats but you likely weren't gonna draw the doc protect from marshy, probably J, or Ryker at the time. Hitting inactive players just helps town, you can throw that reason out.

And you point to the very real possibility that they could be trying to frame marshy/KevMo. But I doubt that's much more than a possibility--you'd have to be a vet player to know that such a shot would frame marshy/KevMo in the first place.

So it really comes down to a question of how dumb/stupid lucky are the scum. Since I doubt none of them are, it's the only other reason: it has to be a vet player. None of the newer players would make that shot otherwise. Ergo, marshy/KevMo could easily be scum, as much as the whine about it otherwise.

Also you wanna know how I know J's scum? He's ignoring this game. In Lost almost-mafia, he ignored the game immediately after he got a bead put on him by the tracker and then quickhammered for the sole reason of preventing town from getting more information. You see any difference between that motivation from that game and what he's doing right now?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ryker, I'm trying to decide. Can I tell you how J/Marshy isn't scummy, no. Would I lynch them? Yes. I had J as a town read D1 but I didn't like how he was trying to have everyone ignore you after you gave suspicion to Marshy because of nk analysis. I thought it was a good avenue to go down and it was not cool to give Marshy the cold shoulder because others may be scummier...

Can you tell me why July isn't scummy? That's my problem here.




Here you go July.

Why is J saying "ignore Ryker" scummy? People have been saying this but I don't get it. If J perceived someone's opinion's as "dumb" then, even if more or less confirmed town stating that you want to ignore that person for their "dumb" opinions really isn't scummy in itself.

Alright, we've got, what, 9 players left? Cool.

LDR is not scum. No ****ing way. They're a role that is highly unlikely to be scum in the first place and then they had limited shots. Hello obvtown.

I'm not scum.

July is highly unlikely to be scum unless she's in a July-Raz-KevMo team, which is still a possibility that we should consider tomorrow if J somehow flips town.

That's 1/3 of the game I would not lynch and I would take that into LyLo.

Following these ones, Ran's had dumb moments but I don't find him scummy for them. He's trying.

KevMo's barely been here but his input has been valuable. He's actually given more than he did in Lost almost-mafia, so I have to say I like him. He could still be scum, but I don't think he would flip scum right now.

That's leaves Swordy, Raz, J, and marshy. I'm good with that lynchpool.

*thumbs down* I'm in here over July? Wtf?

Skimmed J's case. Let's see...

Right of the gate he questions July's honesty, which is a loaded/biased question in the first place (you can only question honesty by assuming scumminess but that's just a self-serving prophecy).

And then he just attacks July for not explaining herself more when she already writes ****ing novels in the first place. Seriously J?

And then he somehow says that her saying she likes Jerkus for not getting involved and me because I gave content is contradictory. Ain't that a beautiful reach.

I'm not reading more. This is ****. Lynch J. Lynch marshy. Win the game.

@Ryker: WL sheeping = not a bad thing

Understood.

*thumbs kinda down*

You're submissive. You basically just stated your lynch pick, Ryker was like "No," and you we're just like "ok." Get OUT of the kitchen July.

Scum WL only really works for me with Scum Kevin. Work with me, bro. You're still all over the place.

Really going to sleep now.

This is kinda a good point against scum WL in that imaging scum teams for him is kinda hard. However Raz can pretty much go on anyone's team at this point and I wouldn't rule out July as a possible third member.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Swordy--I'd take Swordy to LyLo because he's playing smart and actually fleshing **** out but I'd lynch him there, depending on his mates. There are a couple of minor off things he's done but overall I have a solid town read on him.

What happened to me being in your lynch pool?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

D1 I forgot we even had a message function in the game haha. D2 however I sent a message for Swords. The reason being I sent him a list of questions I wanted him to respond to in thread and made it kind of obvious that it was me sending him the message. I wanted to gauge him and be able to get some things across to him from my perspective w.r.t. his slot and also try and figure out some things. I asked him for his opinion of July, what he made of Ryker as to whether he was anti-town or actually an indy and some other questions as well.

I can confirm that I never got this message.

@MOD: Mod error?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What happened to me being in your lynch pool?

You're in my lynchpool, just you're the last one I'd lynch because your play is still really good.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Like, the only thing I have against you is just that you'd make sense on J's scumteam. I really don't--or really didn't, either or--see July on a team with scumJ and scumMarshy. I might see it now more, but I still don't find it that likely. A July/J/Raz team wouldn't make that MacMan shot in a million years.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't know why or how Glyph fell off the face of the Earth after we made our last post. The password he told me didn't work and I still can't log in. The last post was made by him despite the fact that we worked together on it. I'm sorry for the dual accounting.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

man. this kevin/marshy false dichotomy is dumb as ****. the more i think about it the more i realize that scum probably just thought macman was a lurking power role that had no chance of being protected and just killed him. possible "lol no information " logic mayve been considered as well

Bull****, didn't happen. That's like saying, "Well, Bardull might have been a lurking power role, let's shoot him." That's the level that this cast has Macman on and you don't shoot a lurking moron because he might have a PR.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I would choose either WL or Swords. WL because we are on a similar train of thought right now and I am happy that he would probably shoot J. Swords because, despite him wanting to kill me, I don't think he would actually do so right away, and as my second strongest town read next to Ryker he's shown a lot of good judgement and insight so far in the game so I think he'd make good choices.

Reading the latest stuff I just mostly agreed with WL and Ryker. Between Marshy and KevinM I'm liking Marshy better because he's done better to substantiate his reads lately than KevinM has.

Only after I forced him and then it still lines up with scumMarshy.

wait

ive substantitated my reads?

Only after I forced you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're blowing up J if you're suiciding an obv scum.

If you want to go with someone that I'm not 100 percent certain on but would still like dead because I'm like 80 percent scumsure on it would be July

75 percent on Raziek.

So really any of those people dying in the imminent future is a pretty good play.

Do not buy this bus.

The next one on his list is July who isn't scum with J.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Like previously stated, messages go out tomorrow, May 19th. At least, I think I said it. Either way the deadline for message sending is five days after the Day begins, so that's when messages are sent out.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hmm, this is WIFOM. YesturDay pretty much everyone agreed that Marshy was leaning town and that Macman was leaning scum. I actually understand your thought process of "vets shoot other vets because they perceive them as their biggest threats," but it doesn't really make sense for a scum Marshy to shoot someone that everyone perceived as scum, unless he wanted to incriminate KevinM who Macman DID think was scum. However even that I don't see, since I can't see the benefit of scum wanting to incriminate KevinM when they had so many easier targets.

If you want to look at it from the PoV of "only vets would shoot Macman," then honestly occum's razor would point to KevinM. That said, it's still WIFOM and I don't want to go down this path.

I actually corrected that later. Macman shot makes even more sense with the Marshy/Kevin/J scum team.

@Bold: Why?

Also I don't think I'll take that reaction as null. It just seemed too genuine to me. Like, J did pretty much everything a townie should of done in that situation (i.e., list off his reads real quickly). If J was scum who was just "posturing," then I don't think he would of done all of that. Plus I'm taking into account the timing of it. Gorf was online when you "shot" J, so if J was scum then he would of been taking a chance just to post so much in the limited amount of time that he had.

Actually, Gorf being online hurts the credibility of it because he can see that he's not dead.

Can you please tell me why J, the guy who had to apologize for being rude in a game where he had a posting restriction that required it, would ever, EVER tell people not to listen to someone for the remainder of a game. Especially without ever confronting me about what I'm saying.

Hell, he still hasn't, he just sits there and says we should lynch July.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Oh, well then look back at my LDR post for the cue from the message I sent and the promise that I said I'd supply if you responded to my message.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If it's not painfully obvious that I sent it, then claim and tell me you received a message that was allegedly from me and I'll clear it up.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Someone, ANYONE, needs to volunteer and send a message to Raz with this message thing so he gets a PM telling him that I said to get his *** in the game.

"Raz, you're not being fair to the players in this game at all. It's crunch time and pivotal decisions are being made. GET IN HERE!"

I think I'm going to stop playing LoL with him until he posts next.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Volunteering.

 

[Raziek]

I'll try to forge through this tonight.

 

[Raziek]

Ok. I have read everything for toDay.

LDR definitely Town.
Swords Town.

Laundry PROBABLY Town, this is pretty meta-based for me, especially after watching scumLaundry in Ryker mafia.

July could go either way, it really bugs me that she essentially disappeared after the pressure on her broke.

I don't like Ran. He was here and asking questions, and then he became noticeably absent once KevMo/Marshy heated up.

J is definitely scum.

One of Kevin/Marshy is scum, I feel. Leaning towards Kevin.

Lynch Pool for ToDay: Kevin and Marshy. One of them needs to die today. There's a scum between these two or I'll eat my hat.

Following finding the scum between those 2, J dies, then Ran, in my opinion.

If people want elaboration, ask, and I'll do the best I can to make up for my near-total absence.

 

[Raziek]

Ryker, which of Kevin/Marshy is more likely to be scum right now? Is it possible both are scum?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

lol @ saying you dislike ranmaru? are you serious? yikes

hmm. ill be at a computer shortly

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, which of Kevin/Marshy is more likely to be scum right now? Is it possible both are scum?

More than possible that both are scum. Marshy if I had t guess. Kevin if I had to pull the trigger right now.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@ raziek

you earlier stated that you had a town read on me. what happened to that?

 

[Raziek]

@ raziek

you earlier stated that you had a town read on me. what happened to that?

I actually read the game.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

har har

Real answer please Raz, you are not in a position to be snarky.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I actually read the game.

i dont believe this is true if youre actually serious about lynching ran later on

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@Marshy: Why were you okay all of the sudden with July dying?

theres scum between j/july (maybe both) so who cares if she died

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I actually corrected that later. Macman shot makes even more sense with the Marshy/Kevin/J scum team.





Actually, Gorf being online hurts the credibility of it because he can see that he's not dead.

Can you please tell me why J, the guy who had to apologize for being rude in a game where he had a posting restriction that required it, would ever, EVER tell people not to listen to someone for the remainder of a game. Especially without ever confronting me about what I'm saying.

Hell, he still hasn't, he just sits there and says we should lynch July.

Tbh I still haven't fully caught up with this game, so I can't comment on rather or not your last line is true.

To be honest, even though J suggested to "not listen to you," he didn't really seem to rude about it I guess? IDK, J's posting style just kinda seems to make the things he saids nicer.

The biggest problem I'm having with J is just some of the things he said about you. It's like I have two occum razor's fighting against each other. I have the occum's razor of "J's reaction to being "shot" was really townie" vs. the occum's razor of "J's posted some really stupid stuff that should be below him ("Ryker you could be scum JoaT with one shot Day vig" and (my favorite) "Ryker you're reaching for reasons to be angry witch is not very town Ryker (SERIOUSLY wtf was that?)")"

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Ryker: WL sheeping = not a bad thing

This is suppose to be the question "@Ryker: WL sheeping = not a bad thing?" btw.