#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Town or scum, I like this KevMo more than the guy who showed up to play in Lost Mafia.
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ranmaru
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Ryker, I'm trying to decide. Can I tell you how J/Marshy isn't scummy, no. Would I lynch them? Yes. I had J as a town read D1 but I didn't like how he was trying to have everyone ignore you after you gave suspicion to Marshy because of nk analysis. I thought it was a good avenue to go down and it was not cool to give Marshy the cold shoulder because others may be scummier...
Can you tell me why July isn't scummy? That's my problem here.
Can you tell me why July isn't scummy? That's my problem here.
Here you go July.
Look at what you've got Ran.
You've got July. I have not read the case on him, but nothing sticks out in hindsight. I even list July as one of my scumspects after the demise of J/Marshy, but I don't think that's likely unless there's a second indy, which I doubt.
You've got J. Who I think is scum and you think is scummy. He sets up July to get instagibbed today.
You've got Marshy. I think he's scum, I don't know what you think. He actually puts July at L-1.
They're trying to end July and, as such, I want to oppose their objectives.
You've got July. I have not read the case on him, but nothing sticks out in hindsight. I even list July as one of my scumspects after the demise of J/Marshy, but I don't think that's likely unless there's a second indy, which I doubt.
You've got J. Who I think is scum and you think is scummy. He sets up July to get instagibbed today.
You've got Marshy. I think he's scum, I don't know what you think. He actually puts July at L-1.
They're trying to end July and, as such, I want to oppose their objectives.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Skimmed J's case. Let's see...
Right of the gate he questions July's honesty, which is a loaded/biased question in the first place (you can only question honesty by assuming scumminess but that's just a self-serving prophecy).
And then he just attacks July for not explaining herself more when she already writes ****ing novels in the first place. Seriously J?
And then he somehow says that her saying she likes Jerkus for not getting involved and me because I gave content is contradictory. Ain't that a beautiful reach.
I'm not reading more. This is ****. Lynch J. Lynch marshy. Win the game.
Right of the gate he questions July's honesty, which is a loaded/biased question in the first place (you can only question honesty by assuming scumminess but that's just a self-serving prophecy).
And then he just attacks July for not explaining herself more when she already writes ****ing novels in the first place. Seriously J?
And then he somehow says that her saying she likes Jerkus for not getting involved and me because I gave content is contradictory. Ain't that a beautiful reach.
I'm not reading more. This is ****. Lynch J. Lynch marshy. Win the game.
Read more because I have to read your game. I need you and Kevin to tell me if July case is worth anything.
It actually gets backing from Swords, so I want to know why that is.
It actually gets backing from Swords, so I want to know why that is.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
July's probably not scum if both J and marshy are. There's no ****ing way they'd go to this much trouble to bus a mate.
And yes, I'm saying this after hard-bussing Soup and Xonar D1. July's not actually played like ****.
And yes, I'm saying this after hard-bussing Soup and Xonar D1. July's not actually played like ****.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
EBWOP: Hardbussing Soup and Xonar in Ryker maf, not on d1. gogdammit mind
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
LOL!
die scum
OH MY GOG YOU SAY IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO RECANT A TOWN-LEAN ON YOU ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND SAY IT'S SUSPICIOUS FOR JULY TO FIND YOU SUSPICIOUS WHEN YOU FLAT-OUT ****ING SAID YOU WEREN'T GOING TO BE PLAYING THE GAME UNTIL SOMETHING CAUGHT YOUR EYE? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHAT A HYPOCRITICAL *******.J said:
die scum
It's Day 2 and they had a July thing going beforehand. They're pretty secure in their position with cop dead and EE shot putting us further in the hole. I don't think it's out of the question although I agree with you and have been preaching it.
The biggest thing I want to know is how it should affect my Swords town read because I'm currently sitting on Raz as my only real candidate for third scum.
The biggest thing I want to know is how it should affect my Swords town read because I'm currently sitting on Raz as my only real candidate for third scum.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
I thought you nailed Raz pretty hard here. I could easily see a J-Marshy-Raz team. I'm pretty sure last scum would lie between Raz and Swordy anyway, dark horse being like
Ran
or something stupid like that.
As for Swordy, I thought his flip onto my wagon was awkward and surprising, he seemed suspicious but that he had higher priorities than I earlier while he was still talking to me. It's too sudden, and too strong for something so weak. I don't feel like he is for sure scum, but I can't rule him out.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
gog J's obvscum. A lot of his case on July is **** that he actually said he liked from me. It's scummy for July to make such points...but yet it's okay for me to do it? The ****? Die J.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Alright, we've got, what, 9 players left? Cool.
LDR is not scum. No ****ing way. They're a role that is highly unlikely to be scum in the first place and then they had limited shots. Hello obvtown.
I'm not scum.
July is highly unlikely to be scum unless she's in a July-Raz-KevMo team, which is still a possibility that we should consider tomorrow if J somehow flips town.
That's 1/3 of the game I would not lynch and I would take that into LyLo.
Following these ones, Ran's had dumb moments but I don't find him scummy for them. He's trying.
KevMo's barely been here but his input has been valuable. He's actually given more than he did in Lost almost-mafia, so I have to say I like him. He could still be scum, but I don't think he would flip scum right now.
That's leaves Swordy, Raz, J, and marshy. I'm good with that lynchpool.
kevins input has NOT been valuable. he wanted to lynch mentos (TOWN) for garbage meta and only flipped to laundry (much better wagon) when i asked him to
he said macman (TOWN) can go cuz he was sheeping me
the ONLY original suspicion hes offered is july (who you YOURSELF seem to be considering likelier to be town now) for no reasoning
macman (someone who is a million times better at reading kevin than either you or ******* ryker): "kevins prob scum"
*immediately dies*
laundry/ryker: hahah man kevins so useful
kevin has not been useful in the slightest. ill destroy you guys later my past few postsve been while at work and will deliver later today (early morning for you guys in the states)
he said macman (TOWN) can go cuz he was sheeping me
the ONLY original suspicion hes offered is july (who you YOURSELF seem to be considering likelier to be town now) for no reasoning
macman (someone who is a million times better at reading kevin than either you or ******* ryker): "kevins prob scum"
*immediately dies*
laundry/ryker: hahah man kevins so useful
kevin has not been useful in the slightest. ill destroy you guys later my past few postsve been while at work and will deliver later today (early morning for you guys in the states)
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Well they say hindsight is 20/20. But that's irrelevant. I'll let you in on a secret marshy: I don't really give a flying **** for KevMo right now. You and J are such higher priorities that KevMo's just a blip on the radar.
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Hey look, Ran caught it too.
Cool. J's scum either way, you agree?kevins input has NOT been valuable. he wanted to lynch mentos (TOWN) for garbage meta and only flipped to laundry (much better wagon) when i asked him to
he said macman (TOWN) can go cuz he was sheeping me
the ONLY original suspicion hes offered is july (who you YOURSELF seem to be considering likelier to be town now) for no reasoning
macman (someone who is a million times better at reading kevin than either you or ******* ryker): "kevins prob scum"
*immediately dies*
laundry/ryker: hahah man kevins so useful
kevin has not been useful in the slightest. ill destroy you guys later my past few postsve been while at work and will deliver later today (early morning for you guys in the states)
Anyway, let's shoot you, and if you're scum, shoot Kevin.
Your post here is actually pretty good. Talk to me about J.
If you think Kevin could be scum, as you're implying here, what's the deal with putting July at L-1? Why the WL hate over KevMo?
Do you really think that anyone currently alive other than you and Kevin would kill Macman with the threat level he presented?
I can get behind KevMo/J/Raz, so help me out.
He didn't make it into that. I made it into that.
Can you two give me a sec to talk to Marshy before you jump down his throat? I'm PRETTY sure I can figure out which of the 50/50 is scum afterward and Kevin isn't completely blameless.
Unrelated: J, who did you message and what did you message them?
#HBC | Laundry
Grand Sage of Swag
Have fun, good sir.
More one because I never sent one either.
July
Smash Apprentice
I would support a Raz lynch toDay, he hasn't done anything except make one very scummy post asking KevinM for his opinions and giving none of his own.
Raz does not go toDay. He can lurk all day and all that will do is ensure his death after J and Marshy/Kevin.
We HAVE two of them within that lynchpool of three.
We HAVE two of them within that lynchpool of three.
July
Smash Apprentice
Understood.
I am going to bed after finishing a post in Pokemafia. I am going to want to talk to both Marshy and KevMo. I would much rather sort out which is scum without forcing both to claim.
Don't let J ignore my message question. I want the full contents.
Don't let J ignore my message question. I want the full contents.
got to a computer. working on stuff now. lots of *******ery in this game
vote scumlaundry
vote scumlaundry
Scum WL only really works for me with Scum Kevin. Work with me, bro. You're still all over the place.
Really going to sleep now.
Really going to sleep now.
gonna split up the next few posts for the sake of digestion
iight so to start off understand that i am 13 hours ahead of you all (est) so obviously im often sleeping while yall are active in this game and vice versa. on top of that i have 11 hour work days and spend a lot of free time with coworkers and trying to maintain my relationships with friends/family back home. i understand im under pressure right now but try to see things from my angle in that when yall are hyper posting like you were at the beginning of this day phase i may not be around so this information is just to dispel future "lol marshys lurking" garbage (which i dont even do as scum but whatever). also since i usually post from my phone while yall are active (as evidenced by my earlier posts) its hard to respond to everything til i can get to a computer. i can get to a computer every day tho so just understand while i WILL be active i might kind of look like frozenflame in that yall might be waiting on a post/response from me but i dont have the proper timezone/internet access to be complete in my responses. anyways
lets analyze rykers thought process that me or kevin would likely be top candidates for killing macman. i actually can understand this from rykertown and am going to be frank in stating that macmans death (why would anyone ****ing kill him) made me look at kevin. before the day ended you can see that i quoted macmans statement of "kevins probably scum" and switched my vig choice from macman to laundry because that comment made me deeply second guess my hate on macman. macmans got a good kevinscuMdar and im often wary of kevins buddying (he does this regardless of alignment) me cuz im usually content to let him stay around til later in the game. he likes to bus his buddies anyway
why i have little (im not cocky enough to say NO motive) to kill macman and why kevin would
im assuming ryker believes that macmans killer was either me or kevin due to our past history in playing games with each other. but yeah when ive been scum against macman as town i usually dont kill him til way later in the game and/or just buddy mad hardbody. here:
m3ds harry potter: i admit this isnt the best example cuz macman was fairly new and a weaker player at the time. i killed him n4 and we didnt interact with each other all game. he suspected me here and there but they were never very strong at all and were just mentioned in passing. he was not a threat
mafia tournament sleepover: **** i actually killed him n1 here what a terrible example! nah not really because the kills blatantly differ (if you look from the perspective that im scum in this game which im not but hey since im apparently being considered as a play right now ill go indepth as to why i wouldnt kill macman) in that he was actively scumhunting (voting and fosing my scumbros all daily) and bashing the terrible d1 lynch there. he was a THREAT. here...he was lurking and content to let the mentos wagon go while not reading the thread
wonderland mafia: this is around the time that macman improved leaps and bounds in mafia...**** i killed him n1 here too. well that was cuz of the same reasons as above and he basically confirmed himself town by spearheading (again not doing that in this game) the lynch against my scumbuddy riddle. so yeah i killed his *** n1 but there is an obvious reason as opposed to this game
tv-allstars: i buddied him all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
scum wars: i buddied him all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
down n dirty: i didnt interact with him much all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
so yeah. usually i buddy him and then just kill him at least in the newer games weve played together. he posed no threat to me OR my potential scumbuddies in this game (he never voiced suspicions against me and just listed some people hedve been content with lynching) which were the only reasons i killed him in those earlier games. he was also obvtown in those earlier games and while i admit i was the main person pressuring him this game i think its pretty clear that no one in this game thought he was obvtown
now lets look at what happens when kevin is scum and macman is town
monster mafia: kevin keeps macman around til mylo but macman deduces that he is the final scum. so macman catches him there
scum wars mafia: kevin is some ****tyass role (lol sorry tom) that basically enables my kill choices. kevin didnt have sole control over mafia kills so this game is null but am putting it here for the sake of completion
batma(n)fia 2: macman harbors suspicions against kevin from pretty early on in the game and pushes his lynch. so macman catches him again
unintended consequences mafia: macman catches kevinscuM again and helps lynch him d3
one piece mafia: most of yall cant see this but basically macman was scum and kevin was an sk. macman gets lynched before he could do anything
good times
anyway i think its obvious which of us wouldve killed macman
iight so to start off understand that i am 13 hours ahead of you all (est) so obviously im often sleeping while yall are active in this game and vice versa. on top of that i have 11 hour work days and spend a lot of free time with coworkers and trying to maintain my relationships with friends/family back home. i understand im under pressure right now but try to see things from my angle in that when yall are hyper posting like you were at the beginning of this day phase i may not be around so this information is just to dispel future "lol marshys lurking" garbage (which i dont even do as scum but whatever). also since i usually post from my phone while yall are active (as evidenced by my earlier posts) its hard to respond to everything til i can get to a computer. i can get to a computer every day tho so just understand while i WILL be active i might kind of look like frozenflame in that yall might be waiting on a post/response from me but i dont have the proper timezone/internet access to be complete in my responses. anyways
lets analyze rykers thought process that me or kevin would likely be top candidates for killing macman. i actually can understand this from rykertown and am going to be frank in stating that macmans death (why would anyone ****ing kill him) made me look at kevin. before the day ended you can see that i quoted macmans statement of "kevins probably scum" and switched my vig choice from macman to laundry because that comment made me deeply second guess my hate on macman. macmans got a good kevinscuMdar and im often wary of kevins buddying (he does this regardless of alignment) me cuz im usually content to let him stay around til later in the game. he likes to bus his buddies anyway
why i have little (im not cocky enough to say NO motive) to kill macman and why kevin would
im assuming ryker believes that macmans killer was either me or kevin due to our past history in playing games with each other. but yeah when ive been scum against macman as town i usually dont kill him til way later in the game and/or just buddy mad hardbody. here:
m3ds harry potter: i admit this isnt the best example cuz macman was fairly new and a weaker player at the time. i killed him n4 and we didnt interact with each other all game. he suspected me here and there but they were never very strong at all and were just mentioned in passing. he was not a threat
mafia tournament sleepover: **** i actually killed him n1 here what a terrible example! nah not really because the kills blatantly differ (if you look from the perspective that im scum in this game which im not but hey since im apparently being considered as a play right now ill go indepth as to why i wouldnt kill macman) in that he was actively scumhunting (voting and fosing my scumbros all daily) and bashing the terrible d1 lynch there. he was a THREAT. here...he was lurking and content to let the mentos wagon go while not reading the thread
wonderland mafia: this is around the time that macman improved leaps and bounds in mafia...**** i killed him n1 here too. well that was cuz of the same reasons as above and he basically confirmed himself town by spearheading (again not doing that in this game) the lynch against my scumbuddy riddle. so yeah i killed his *** n1 but there is an obvious reason as opposed to this game
tv-allstars: i buddied him all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
scum wars: i buddied him all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
down n dirty: i didnt interact with him much all game and kept him around til endgame. very different strategy than what scummarshy would be doing here
so yeah. usually i buddy him and then just kill him at least in the newer games weve played together. he posed no threat to me OR my potential scumbuddies in this game (he never voiced suspicions against me and just listed some people hedve been content with lynching) which were the only reasons i killed him in those earlier games. he was also obvtown in those earlier games and while i admit i was the main person pressuring him this game i think its pretty clear that no one in this game thought he was obvtown
now lets look at what happens when kevin is scum and macman is town
monster mafia: kevin keeps macman around til mylo but macman deduces that he is the final scum. so macman catches him there
scum wars mafia: kevin is some ****tyass role (lol sorry tom) that basically enables my kill choices. kevin didnt have sole control over mafia kills so this game is null but am putting it here for the sake of completion
batma(n)fia 2: macman harbors suspicions against kevin from pretty early on in the game and pushes his lynch. so macman catches him again
unintended consequences mafia: macman catches kevinscuM again and helps lynch him d3
one piece mafia: most of yall cant see this but basically macman was scum and kevin was an sk. macman gets lynched before he could do anything
good times
anyway i think its obvious which of us wouldve killed macman
heres a question for ranmaru/ryker (dont care to read your posts anymore scumlaundry): why the **** do you guys think kevin is protown? lets please take a look at his posts. im skipping his first few posts which were just confirmation and a declaration of vla
231: he is ****ting on literally everyone posting at the time except me and dancer really protown guys
232: hops on confirmed town mentos really protown guys
235: lynches mentos for being anti-town and NOT scummy really protown guys
241: poor use of meta to incriminate mentos and says macman can be ****ed outta hear really protown guys
252: declares me protown but im obvtown anyway so its null
342: this is actually a ballinass post!
349: oh **** this is nice too
421: comes in and declares mentos to be scum after hes lynched. meh
im not seeing it and i think you guys are just being silly. actually i can see that ranmaru said that kevin looks like lazy town but that is foolish cuz kevin can look like that as scum too (tho i usually dont think kevin looks lazy as town but whatever just entertaining ranmarus perspective here)
231: he is ****ting on literally everyone posting at the time except me and dancer really protown guys
232: hops on confirmed town mentos really protown guys
235: lynches mentos for being anti-town and NOT scummy really protown guys
241: poor use of meta to incriminate mentos and says macman can be ****ed outta hear really protown guys
252: declares me protown but im obvtown anyway so its null
342: this is actually a ballinass post!
349: oh **** this is nice too
421: comes in and declares mentos to be scum after hes lynched. meh
im not seeing it and i think you guys are just being silly. actually i can see that ranmaru said that kevin looks like lazy town but that is foolish cuz kevin can look like that as scum too (tho i usually dont think kevin looks lazy as town but whatever just entertaining ranmarus perspective here)
this is cute. id do something similar for the way youre acting towards ryker this game but i somewhat enjoy being a mod and would have that taken away from me for posting a picture of you tickling your uvula with rykers ****J><Marshy
@ raziek 253: why did you specifically ask kevin this question here?
@ ranmaru 490: "Yo marshy, you said you wanted to hammer. Why did you change your mind?"
cuz julys someone i was down to lynch and i didnt feel like waiting. i think you think that quicklynching and wanting short days even without people posting is scummy but thats how i play regardless of alignment
@laundry 544: you dont like ran? what dont you like about him?
@ july 547: what happened to my plan? we didnt lynch laundry. we wasted the **** on ****ing mentos
@ washedlaundry 559: "Your opening posts were the only thing in the game that did not involve LDR/EE/Mentos. It's odd and, like I said, against the grain of the game (LDR's shot and Mentos' reaction to it, then analysis of Mentos' reaction). Rather than embroil yourself in it, you simply just elected to **** off into your own world.
Yep, that's not shady in the slightest, no ****ing way."
**** the grain of the game. this town has ****ed up in so many ways already so not rolling with the general poor direction of the town is...well if thats scummy then i gladly accept my entrance into bizarro world. as for "****ing off into my own world" yeah more like "exploring other avenues while ee/mentos/ryker circlejerk" see how easy it is for me to frame that ****
feel free to keep quintuple hyper posting against me
btw just wanna say the hate on the july wagon is dumb. when quickwagons form early in the game its often all/mostly protown players who are taking action to kill who they believe to be scum while the scum just let the game stall
@ ranmaru 490: "Yo marshy, you said you wanted to hammer. Why did you change your mind?"
cuz julys someone i was down to lynch and i didnt feel like waiting. i think you think that quicklynching and wanting short days even without people posting is scummy but thats how i play regardless of alignment
@laundry 544: you dont like ran? what dont you like about him?
@ july 547: what happened to my plan? we didnt lynch laundry. we wasted the **** on ****ing mentos
@ washedlaundry 559: "Your opening posts were the only thing in the game that did not involve LDR/EE/Mentos. It's odd and, like I said, against the grain of the game (LDR's shot and Mentos' reaction to it, then analysis of Mentos' reaction). Rather than embroil yourself in it, you simply just elected to **** off into your own world.
Yep, that's not shady in the slightest, no ****ing way."
**** the grain of the game. this town has ****ed up in so many ways already so not rolling with the general poor direction of the town is...well if thats scummy then i gladly accept my entrance into bizarro world. as for "****ing off into my own world" yeah more like "exploring other avenues while ee/mentos/ryker circlejerk" see how easy it is for me to frame that ****
feel free to keep quintuple hyper posting against me
btw just wanna say the hate on the july wagon is dumb. when quickwagons form early in the game its often all/mostly protown players who are taking action to kill who they believe to be scum while the scum just let the game stall
@ ranmaru 574: i dont care that you think kevin is town. you also thought mentos was scum (nope) and are willing to lynch me (:thumbsdown so this is unconvincing. i also dont get what you mean by me saying "its not me its kevin!" cuz uh i never suggested that it be me or him today. its important that a level of skepticism be held against him cuz for some dumb reasoning that is wrong people think hes protown
@ laundry 576: so you agree with ranmaru that im trying to make some division between me and kevin. okay.
ryker 577: i put july at -1 cuz i dont care if she dies and dont feel like waiting half a week for kevin to post
"Do you really think that anyone currently alive other than you and Kevin would kill Macman with the threat level he presented?"
i could see you doing it but youre not a play today. i dont dispute that me or kevin being the killer is rational. laundrys been my favorite choice since d1 and i hate the fact that his ****ing wagon failed for a protown player. still wanna kill im
so this is unconvincing. i also dont get what you mean by me saying "its not me its kevin!" cuz uh i never suggested that it be me or him today. its important that a level of skepticism be held against him cuz for some dumb reasoning that is wrong people think hes protown@ laundry 576: so you agree with ranmaru that im trying to make some division between me and kevin. okay.
ryker 577: i put july at -1 cuz i dont care if she dies and dont feel like waiting half a week for kevin to post
"Do you really think that anyone currently alive other than you and Kevin would kill Macman with the threat level he presented?"
i could see you doing it but youre not a play today. i dont dispute that me or kevin being the killer is rational. laundrys been my favorite choice since d1 and i hate the fact that his ****ing wagon failed for a protown player. still wanna kill im
as for what i think of j...meh. i roughly remember him wanting to lynch laundry so that made me happy. i dont have much of an opinion on him and dont care to reread his posts (or this game in general) at the time being
and now everyones following ryker despite a 1-shot vig being completely null in terms of alignment with a poor d1 shot and pushing a mislynch and now pushing me when im not scum
i agree that hes not a play...today. but i mean ****
i agree that hes not a play...today. but i mean ****
For the love of goodness, I said the exact same thing about Marshy and you call me scummy for it? Please tell me this is not the case. =/
Still reading the post storm.
D1 I forgot we even had a message function in the game haha. D2 however I sent a message for Swords. The reason being I sent him a list of questions I wanted him to respond to in thread and made it kind of obvious that it was me sending him the message. I wanted to gauge him and be able to get some things across to him from my perspective w.r.t. his slot and also try and figure out some things. I asked him for his opinion of July, what he made of Ryker as to whether he was anti-town or actually an indy and some other questions as well.
I endorse this as well because its rather silly. However, the only person following Ryker at the time is WL and I plan to get into that in a bit but I did wanna have a little sidebar thing w.r.t. Ryker.
I went back and read through the posts I have made last night and also the posts I got in response. I'm recanting my thought of Ryker being Indy. Considering his play and the overall attitude he is taking towards the game and also considering the game mechanics of his role, I just cannot believe Ryker is of an anti-town faction this game. I guess I am more or less annoyed with his play this game that he is fighting for thread control in a dirty way and also using logic that I don't agree to. It's also the fact that his reads, through my eyes, have been completely wrong and I'd expect more of townRyker to be correct. However, I was going contemplating what I actually thought of Ryker's slot and this post popped up that made me solidify that I want Ryker as town, regardless of his opinions.
This post for me highlights Ryker town-intent to actually try and figure out scum and also the way he has been trying to figure out which of Marshy/KevinM are scum. For me, in this debate, I definitely lean towards lynching KevinM over Marshy because I do not feel Marshy to be scum this game. Ryker is being fair to consider other options which I can see with the last line of the post I quoted. Soooo Ryker can be town in my book for this game. I actually am starting to see Ryker vs. Marshy to be turning into a bit of TvT. Especially with Marshy's response to the pressure put on him and the way he continues to do other things while under pressure and apparantly under time constraints to living in Japan (so cool btw haha xD).Ryker said:
Ryker, what do you make of WL's basic cookie-cutter views of yours and insistent buddying of your slot? I feel like he is just trying to get on your good side with his over-the-top way of pushing your scum-reads as well and is trying to reach for reasons to make himself seem original on the wagons that have been presented to himself.
What makes you of a July-WL connection to do the way WL is trying to subtly diffuse the July wagon? He is the only one to speak up thus far of the July case not having merit and actually the first to call it reaching because none of Swords/Ran/and even July herself called the case reaching.
This is actually where I can see the point to where WL is scummier than July because she at least responds to posts and actually tries to see the others PoV in the argument while still giving her defense. WL just tries to find a way to discredit the argument and inflate it into a show of "OMG U SO SCUUUUUUUUUUMMY" without actually providing much reasoning behind his suspicions. His posts come across as extremely fake, especially when talking about his J/Marshy/July posts. I do not get his JulyTown read where he is okay with her not being in the lynch pool. I also find his suspicion of Swords unprecendented and I don't get why he finds him as scum. He says because of Swords weird hop onto WL when he was actually like the main proponent to WL's wagon and his suspicion of Swords seems invested in a bit of OMGUS.
What makes you of a July-WL connection to do the way WL is trying to subtly diffuse the July wagon? He is the only one to speak up thus far of the July case not having merit and actually the first to call it reaching because none of Swords/Ran/and even July herself called the case reaching.
This is actually where I can see the point to where WL is scummier than July because she at least responds to posts and actually tries to see the others PoV in the argument while still giving her defense. WL just tries to find a way to discredit the argument and inflate it into a show of "OMG U SO SCUUUUUUUUUUMMY" without actually providing much reasoning behind his suspicions. His posts come across as extremely fake, especially when talking about his J/Marshy/July posts. I do not get his JulyTown read where he is okay with her not being in the lynch pool. I also find his suspicion of Swords unprecendented and I don't get why he finds him as scum. He says because of Swords weird hop onto WL when he was actually like the main proponent to WL's wagon and his suspicion of Swords seems invested in a bit of OMGUS.
The more I am looking at this game the more I am coming to the conclusion that WL is actively scummy while July is more or less passively scummy with the way they both respond to pressure and their attitudes towards certain things. Whereas WL makes a big show, July just quietly goes back into the background. I want WL gone toDay after thinking some things through and fleshing out my mind in the past couple of posts. I do not want Marshy lynched especially over KevinM. I want July/Raz to like go away from this game haha. Ran/Swords are lean town reads *Ran more than Swords*. Ryker's probably my strongest town read at the moment.
Heading back to class now so I'll try and touch on more things later. ^^
Heading back to class now so I'll try and touch on more things later. ^^