Girls/Guys/Relationships

[Vijin]

A. You are generalizing. ALL women do not want to be told what to do or be submissive in a relationship. That's just flat out bull****. You also imply that all women will cheat on your if you do treat them with respect. Again, bull****.

I don't think he ever said anything about treating a woman with disrespect. But constantly giving a girl presents, giving her all kinds of compliments, etc. Is not going to work. You can't BUY attraction.

B. You speak as if you have had decades of experience with this when in reality, you haven't. You are 19 years old. You, like EVERYONE else here, has a lot to learn how the world works. You are basing all your advice off High School and College girls who are still maturing and experiencing things. You may be mature, but most of the ones you talk about are not ready for that. Therefore you blame the fact you treated them too well.

Stop generalizing. The way you are talking makes it sound like all women like to be slapped around or if you don't, they'll cheat on you.

Maybe he hasn't had decades of experience.... but I can tell that he knows his stuff. But you're mis-interpreting pretty much everything he says. Do yourself a favor and listen to this guy.

 

[Virgilijus]

There is a difference between making "99%" of the decisions in a relationship and being confident in what you say.

Saying "what a woman wants and what a woman THINKS she wants are two totally different things" means you know more about her than she does. Would you say a woman knows more about what you want than you do? Are their minds always lying to themselves?

If you can convince a meeker girl that she enjoys being controlled, that's not giving her what she wants; that's convincing her she wants what you want. In the course of today I've asked a dozen or so girls that live in the same building as me if they idolize a man who makes most of the decisions in a relationship; none said "yes". They don't want a sycophantic guy who doesn't make any decisions, but that is why the relationship should be half and half.

 

[Vijin]

That is ****ing ******** and worded horribly. What a woman wants is what she wants. What a person needs might not be what she wants and vice versa, but to say women don't know what they want is a sign of ignorance.

But... you're totally wrong. You ask a woman what she wants in a man, she'll say something like "A nice guy!" or "Somebody who is funny! Someone who likes the same stuff I do!" Now, if this was the case, guys wouldn't be asking for advice in this thread now, would they? I used to be that nice guy that women always say they want. Never worked. And now I know why. KoreanDJ pretty much went over the whole thing but you're reluctant to even try what he has to say. Instead, without even knowing what you're really talking about, you're arguing against it.
"Nice guys" who give the woman everything she wants and let her take the lead are NOT the guys that spark that attraction that keeps a woman interested.

 

[Livvers]

But... you're totally wrong. You ask a woman what she wants in a man, she'll say something like "A nice guy!" or "Somebody who is funny! Someone who likes the same stuff I do!" Now, if this was the case, guys wouldn't be asking for advice in this thread now, would they? I used to be that nice guy that women always say they want. Never worked. And now I know why. KoreanDJ pretty much went over the whole thing but you're reluctant to even try what he has to say. Instead, without even knowing what you're really talking about, you're arguing against it.
"Nice guys" who give the woman everything she wants and let her take the lead are NOT the guys that spark that attraction that keeps a woman interested.

Um, it only doesn't work if you fall over yourself for the girl and do everything for her, or if you always do what she wants even if you're not interested in it. Doing that shows a lack of personality, which no one likes. It's akin to that annoying friend who always follows trends because he thinks it'll make people like him more, or make him "cool".

I want a nice guy. I'm dating a nice guy. I want someone funny. I'm dating someone funny. I want a guy with the same interests I do, and I'm dating that guy. Guess what? Our relationship is strong, and I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm pretty sure I know what I want and I have it. It's not what I think I want. Saying something like that is like me saying all guys are interested in only sex. It's insulting, and it's not true.

 

[Vijin]

Um, it only doesn't work if you fall over yourself for the girl and do everything for her, or if you always do what she wants even if you're not interested in it. Doing that shows a lack of personality, which no one likes. It's akin to that annoying friend who always follows trends because he thinks it'll make people like him more, or make him "cool".

I want a nice guy. I'm dating a nice guy. I want someone funny. I'm dating someone funny. I want a guy with the same interests I do, and I'm dating that guy. Guess what? Our relationship is strong, and I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm pretty sure I know what I want and I have it. It's not what I think I want. Saying something like that is like me saying all guys are interested in only sex. It's insulting, and it's not true.

And this guy you're dating also has that ability to spark that attraction you have for him, right? You don't just like him because he's a nice guy or because he's funny. You like him because of what he makes you feel. Simply being nice or funny doesn't do that in itself.

I'm not saying a woman doesn't like a man because he's nice. What I'm referring to when I say a "Nice guy" is a guy who has to buy her attention. Someone who thinks taking a girl out on a date and spending loads of money on her in order to win her is not what a woman finds attractive. A "Nice guy" let's her make all the decisions because it's what he thinks she wants. "If I'm nice enough to her, she'll like me! Letting her make the decisions will show her how considerate I am!" But that's not the way a woman sees it. Spending a **** load of money on some girl you've met just shows her that you're not confident that she'll like you because of you, so you use money instead. Which doesn't work.
Or a guy who lets the woman make all the decisions. A woman wants her man to lead, so she can follow. Well what happens when you get a guy who tries tog et her to take the lead? You have two people not leading.
Be in control, not controlling.

 

[Crimson King]

KoreanDJ pretty much went over the whole thing but you're reluctant to even try what he has to say. Instead, without even knowing what you're really talking about, you're arguing against it.
"Nice guys" who give the woman everything she wants and let her take the lead are NOT the guys that spark that attraction that keeps a woman interested.

Again, I've been in a relationship for 4 years. It seems what I am doing is working out fine for me.

It's funny how you insist on what you know about women, when a woman, on this very forums, is telling you you are all wrong. But I guess she doesn't know what she wants.

 

[HAT]

Well a few people seem to be glazing over at the thought of a subconscious mind.

C'mon, it's such a simple concept. Do we actually know what we want? Hell. If I ask myself what I want, I'll say a nice job, hot wife, and enough quality weed to keep me high for the rest of my life. Is that really going to make me happy? Do people who make 100k+ a year live happier lives than those who only make 40-60k? Not at all. We think we want some things, but clearly we want something else.

It's very similar with women. They think they want a sweet, caring guy. ****, I think I want a sweet, caring girl. That's just not going to happen, and there's no way we'd actually be happy in a relationship that remains agreeable and content.

Admittedly I didn't read most of the useless religious posts and other comments, but I think this is a point that needs to be clarified. KDJ knows what he's talking about.

 

[xxLinkGodxx]

Again, I've been in a relationship for 4 years. It seems what I am doing is working out fine for me.

It's funny how you insist on what you know about women, when a woman, on this very forums, is telling you you are all wrong. But I guess she doesn't know what she wants.

So your saying that one women can speak for all women? She even said herself she cant speak for the majority of women. Sorry to say this but a girl who is posting on SWF is not part of the general women crowd. Don't get me wrong I think girls that don't follow the general crowd are usually more interesting than the other girls, dont take anything personal.

Anyway, this really depends on who your after. Crimson sure your doing great with that one girl but just keep in mind if you tried to do the same thing with other girls it probably wouldn't work out the same way. Well, actually I can't even say anything about your relationship since I dont know the details but I can at least tell you that for now you lover is not bored of you and you keep things interesting, im sure you'd agree.

Heres a small story I thought I would share...

About a year ago my friend had met this girl. There relationship was very weird. The girl was very "emo" My friend told me that his girlfriend was great and he loved her a lot, he even had plans to marry her. He said that she was just like having a friend who he could have a relationship with... one moment they could be making out the next they would be playing SSBM.

I warned my friend that his relationship wouldn't last.. but it would be fun for him while it lasts. I said this because I realized that his relationship was eventually going to be hackneyed. He refused to take any of my words into consideration.

Just last month they've broke up. My friend is extremely regretful and he has some depression locked up inside of him. He has even slit his wrist to try to relieve his stress..


I am giving you guys advice. Make sure you and your girlfriend are not "friends/buddies" (ironic). I can guarantee that any guy and girl that were really good friends for a long time wont get together in a serious relationship. If the relationship doesn't work out do not blame it on anything other than yourself. You have got to be the one that make a relationship work its your fault if it doesn't.

 

[Azua]

Yeah, uh, anyone that tries to be dominant in a relationship with me gets the boot.
Up their ***.

 

[Xanthyr]

Yeah, uh, anyone that tries to be dominant in a relationship with me gets the boot.
Up their ***.

That has the be the most honest and shortest/direct statement said in this entire thread.

 

[Vijin]

Again, I've been in a relationship for 4 years. It seems what I am doing is working out fine for me.

It's funny how you insist on what you know about women, when a woman, on this very forums, is telling you you are all wrong. But I guess she doesn't know what she wants.

And that's why you don't take advice on women from a woman.
They'll tell you what they prefer, but on a subconscious level, that isn't what is going to get a girl to be attracted to you.

I'm going to go ahead and use this example because it's pretty common.
A woman will be with a guy who doesn't treat her right. Maybe he cheats. Or maybe he abuses her. But she stays with him because she's attracted to him. But she'll go and talk to the "Nice guy" about how bad he treats her. But who is she having sex with? The ***-hole! She says she wants a nice guy, when she has one right in front her. But she continues to be with Mr. ******* and puts up with whatever it is that he does that makes her feel like crap.

And it's as simple as that. Woman says she wants a certain thing, but really, it's not what she wants. Otherwise she'd be with Mr. Nice guy, and not the *******.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Are we still talking about healthy, fulfilling relationships?

 

[Misto-Roboto]

I am giving you guys advice. Make sure you and your girlfriend are not "friends/buddies" (ironic). I can guarantee that any guy and girl that were really good friends for a long time wont get together in a serious relationship. If the relationship doesn't work out do not blame it on anything other than yourself. You have got to be the one that make a relationship work its your fault if it doesn't.

Actually some of the longest lasting marriages are a result of a good friendship. If you're not good friends/buddies with your significant other, how the hell do you expect to truly relate with each other?

This thread has gone downhill, too many generalization about the opposing sex and idiots who think they've got it figured out yet have no women to speak of with them.

 

[BigRick]

Saying "what a woman wants and what a woman THINKS she wants are two totally different things" means you know more about her than she does. Would you say a woman knows more about what you want than you do? Are their minds always lying to themselves?

Very poor reasoning there...

It's not implying that we know more about her than she does, it's simply stating that she doesn't fully know what she wants.

No one fully knows their own personality... that's why psychologists exist!

But yea I agree that the thread has gone downhill...

 

[KoreanDJ111]

Typed enter by accident...

 

[Kazydai]

Suckage

All I can say is that girls suck...girls are always leading me on, and stuff like that...I hate it...and the only girl out of like, a million, who did go out with me, was faking it. She only did it, 'cause she felt sorry for me.

 

[Crimson King]

Once Azua sobers up, she will rip you apart.

 

[KoreanDJ111]

Being nice and being a wussy are two different things.

I open doors for women, walk on the outer part of the sidewalk (so if a car rears the curb and goes through the sidewalk, it would hit me instead of the girl), I pull out chairs for women, etc.

It’s good to do chivalrous things for women.

I do not believe in having “low ethics” to a woman.

Remember, the reason why women are attracted to jerks is NOT because they are over-controlling and abusive, but because they don’t tolerate BS from a woman, having a life other than the woman, taking risks, etc.

It is NOT because they are abusive that women flock to them.

I realize that the things I say may be confusing or “just don’t make sense”.

A lot of these stuff doesn’t make any logical sense.

But a lot of what works with women is not what men consider “logical”.

Men think that calling a woman every day shows dedication, passion, and strong communication.

Women gets suffocated by the communication, gets more and more annoyed by this, and she says something along the lines of “I think we need to spend some time away from each other.”

The men get frustrated and says “I was so nice, and I was so honest. I don’t understand why she would leave me. Wow, women are such *****es!”

They go out with their friends and go have a beer and complain with each other how women are such *****es and they don’t make sense, and complains about women to each other, while the girl goes complain to HER friends about how men just don’t get it and they go complain on how stupid men are.

Hmmm….

As you can see, there is a vicious cycle that is going on.

What people don’t realize is that by becoming a man that is attractive to women, this is not only beneficial to the man himself, but is even more beneficial with women. Women WANT attractive men, not wussies.


Women know what they want. But they don’t know how to verbalize it in a way that men understand.

“I want a man that is funny.”

Tell me, do clowns get laid?

Onwards.

Now, I know this isn’t for everyone.

Some people just don’t want to believe that this stuff works, and they try to find evidence that it doesn’t work.


Some people just don’t want to learn about this because they don’t want to believe that what they believed what works isn’t what really works, and they just aren’t open to new ideas.

I’m saying that you should think about what I am saying.

I am not saying you should believe what I say blindly. I want you try it, experiment with it. I want you see this in your OWN EYES and THEN see if it works.

I know how things are in the other side of the spectrum.

If you are not willing to see how things are in the other side of the spectrum, I have no interest in arguing about this. I don’t mind discussing why things work, but if you just blindly argue against my stuff, or have emotional attachments, then don’t waste your time and my time.

Everyone is different. That I agree

Some women do like to be dominant. Some women like rich men so they can have a secure future (aka Gold Diggers). Etc. Etc. Etc.

But it all comes down to preferences.

Tom boys, emo girls, and rlly ditzy girls do not interest me.

So does rlly stuck up women. Those types of women are pretending to be tough, but deep down, they are very insecure.

I prefer intelligent, emotionally mature, but very fun, upbeat, feminine girls.

I met a lot of girls that have not met this criteria. It’s definitely a numbers game.

I did not meet any girls I thought were good long term partners.

Even some rlly gorgeous girls that I was extremely attracted to, had a lot of inner problems.

I don’t want to go into long-term relationships too soon because I don’t want to have a relationship that I will regret in the future.

That is why I have things start out casually. And I will see whether or not she and I are compatible in the long run.

Many men have the idea of “scarcity” and that they will pretty much settle for anything that is available.

I don’t know about you, but I want to be in a long term relationship with a girl that I can actually see a future with.

After around 4-7 “dates”, then I will decide whether or not we are a good match.

And if she is a girl that I rlly like? Then I DEFINITELY will not act like a wuss. This is one of the worst times to be a wuss.

Sure, the woman can make decisions. I am not saying she shouldn’t. But you should be the one in control.

A lot of people are confused with the term “control”. They think control is controlling. But that just means they don’t know how it feels to really be in control in a situation and doesn’t know how to be a LEADER.

But some guys may say, “But that isn’t love at all!”

I believe in love. But I also believe in emotional control.

If you get emotional control down in your life, you will see that life will be a lot better than it has been before.

You will gain more respect in the eyes of your lover and the eyes of everyone else.

You will become a much better person.

There is a difference between loving someone, and loving someone because you are needy and desperate for love. Doing the latter is co-dependency. Don't do that.

P.S., the guys like LinkGod and Virgilijus and others, they know what's going on.

A lot of people talking about how their relationship/dating is so great, I'd like to hear the CONTEXT of the relationship.

Remember, not everyone is looking for a long term relationship.

Not many people can relate to a 4 year relationship.

What I am saying is stuff that will apply when the first time you meet a girl you like to beyond. Not stuff you can just randomly interject in your 4 year relationship.

This has to be congruent with who you are. You cannot become a leader in the beginning and then transform into a complete wussy. That will only repel her even faster.

 

[Tom]

It sounds like KDJ really knows how to get any girl he wants into a 2 month relationship.

 

[Lolgolas]

I am 17 years old and uninterested in relationships. I've never had a girlfriend and I do not desire one. I do not date or go out with girls other than on a friendly basis.

I believe emotional attachment is unacceptably restrictive. I like to do what I want. If I don't want to see anybody on a particular weekend, I'll unplug my phone and won't answer the door. I think I wouldn't be able to pull that off if I had a girlfriend. I'd need to do stuff with her and care for her and all that stuff. Then again, my experience is obviously limited, so feel free to prove me wrong. Instead of risking it and causing unhappiness to both me and her, I'm leading a quite isolationist lifestyle and it seems like the best option to date.

Here's a question for you guys : d'you think you could live your life without a loved one? I'm interested because my view on that thing seems to be so marginal. I understand people have different needs, and that not everybody can go without a girl like I do, but I'd like to hear on it.

 

[Schweppes]

KDJz a beast

 

[KAFOR]

The only way to insure happiness is through the King James bible; and having a sense of peace in your mind. Craving for more and more will get you nowhere because there is no possible way to get everything you desire.

 

[MASAHIROx]

Where's magavolt when you need him?

*subscribing*

I'll comment later when homework is done.

 

[GameFreaking]

Women aren't objects


To all the guys in this topic who think they know women... please stop. you are hurting the world and any normal guys chance of ever getting laid again.(that includes me)

 

[Caleb Wolfbrand]

wow KDJ just dominated and it wasn't even in smash :D

what a nice read that was

 

[Crimson King]

The only way to insure happiness is through the King James bible; and having a sense of peace in your mind. Craving for more and more will get you nowhere because there is no possible way to get everything you desire.

For you, maybe. I don't need a book to satisfy me thanks.

I love how everyone thinks that KDJ is right and most are under 17. And the people who know he's wrong are at least in their 20s. **** you, Azua! SOBER UP!

 

[KAFOR]

For you, maybe. I don't need a book to satisfy me thanks.

I love how everyone thinks that KDJ is right and most are under 17. And the people who know he's wrong are at least in their 20s. **** you, Azua! SOBER UP!

Oh, yes you do. You will reap what you sow my good friend. Just remember that we all came from somewhere...humans didn't just poof, came to be, all of a sudden and don't say evolution either or we would look different from our ancestors from the 1600's.

 

[Zook]

In a feeble attept to save this thread from the forces of spam, I'll ask for more advice.

If I were to show a girl one of theses poems, would she be flattered or creeped out? Yes, I wrote them all, and yes, I know none of them are... Decent, but tell me if any of them would work.

 

[Eor]

Oh, yes you do. You will reap what you sow my good friend. Just remember that we all came from somewhere...humans didn't just poof, came to be, all of a sudden and don't say evolution either or we would look different from our ancestors from the 1600's.

Finally, someone with reasoning in this thread. I still can't understand how people can wrap their heads about evolution, what reeks more of the devil then something that says we came from monkeys? Hopefully America wakes up and elects Fred Thompson (no liberals/mormons!) to president. He can save us from the evils of secularist, feminists, and gays.

Eric, I suggest you read the Bible. It states very clearly what a womans role should be in a relationship.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (Corinthians 11:8-9)

Try to fight that logic, satanist

 

[KAFOR]

Finally, someone with reasoning in this thread. I still can't understand how people can wrap their heads about evolution, what reeks more of the devil then something that says we came from monkeys? Hopefully America wakes up and elects Fred Thompson (no liberals/mormons!) to president. He can save us from the evils of secularist, feminists, and gays.

Eric, I suggest you read the Bible. It states very clearly what a womans role should be in a relationship.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (Corinthians 11:8-9)

Try to fight that logic, satanist

Rather pathetic isn't it? Hopefully Americans, heck, the world, will wake up to the fact that evolution played no part in human development. Remember my friends, no type of life existed at one point in time.

 

[Eor]

I'm really starting to think that science is now a codeword for Satanism. It's sad, Science started as a beautiful way to help understand the word of God, and yet now they're saying anti-bible thesises and claiming they have "evidence". I hope they revert back to the what science started as, as a way to show that the bible is real.

Creationism is based upon real science, reason and tons of evidence.

Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales spread by Satan

 

[Crimson King]

I'm really starting to think that science is now a codeword for Satanism. It's sad, Science started as a beautiful way to help understand the word of God, and yet now they're saying anti-bible thesises and claiming they have "evidence". I hope they revert back to the what science started as, as a way to show that the bible is real.

Creationism is based upon real science, reason and tons of evidence.

Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales spread by Satan

If science is codeword for Satanism, all I have to say is "Hail Satan."

 

[Eor]

See this is why we should burn you at the stake

 

[Blackadder]

What the hell is this thread about?
I came here to see what's going on, and I see mods talking about Science being the Anti-Christ and the Anti-Santa. XD

I'll uh....just sit by till the conversation drifts off to..whatever it's about.
Relationships, apparently.

 

[Xanthyr]

What the hell people!? What the hell!?

Relationships, not attacking of beliefs!

Now that we have something to discuss that is relevant to the thread, let us flock and help this man out!

In a feeble attept to save this thread from the forces of spam, I'll ask for more advice.

If I were to show a girl one of theses poems, would she be flattered or creeped out? Yes, I wrote them all, and yes, I know none of them are... Decent, but tell me if any of them would work.

Hey, Zook, it appears that we'd have to register in order to view your works. Is there another way to see them?


The problem is that you linked us to your personal account profile, so it's pretty much just asking us to sign in or nothing at all. Give us a link to your poems.

 

[KoreanDJ111]

I don't need to see the poems.

I can already tell what is going to happen.

I am going to be direct and honest with no BS.

This is only going to creep her out.

Poems work in a much more different context.

Writing poems, love songs, etc. is just not going to cut it, ESPECIALLY if you haven't even dated the girl.

Even if you are in a relationship with a girl, you gotta be creative. Poems are too cliched. Be original.

What is the context of this relationship with this girl you got, Zook? Is she some girl you like in school, or is it something else?

 

[Eor]

I think I remember this thread. We had it a long time ago.

It ended closed, three people banned, and one person claiming I was going out of my way to warn them.

I don't see why this one would go any different.

 

[Kokichi]

After reading a few posts of KDJ, I think he's sort of talking about the right thing, but in a weird way. I think what he's trying to say (or at least, what works) is for guys to be leaders. Note that not all girls like guys like this, but it helps. By being confident in yourself, by having your act together, but bringing people together and having fun, you're seen as a much more desirable person.

I think what KDJ is trying to say is don't put the ***** on the pedestal. Don't get one-itis (where you only like one person and become super-obsessed with that person). Girls tend not to like it when they become the center of the guy's life. They tend to like someone who has their own life, their own friends, who is self-supporting and doesn't need to rely on them all day. The same thing goes for guys, too. Most guys don't want a girl who would just lie around all day at home, waiting for them to return. Guys want an educated woman who can take care of herself, who has her **** together, who has her own job and is supporting herself. Obviously, you want to be able to rely on each other, to have each other's backs, but at the same time, you need that level of independence.

Note that I say "tend" a lot, because no two girls are the same. I hate ever saying "if you are _____ then girls will like you more," because it's SO dependent on SO many factors...but, I do believe that there are things, on average, that guys can do that will make them more attractive to women.

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Quote from my Facebook wall:

i wish this facebook message could jump out and kiss you,
for all of the sweet and cute things that you do,
the muscles cd came at the same time as the flowers,
you must have some super natural powers,

That was from sending a (second) bouquet of roses to a girl back in America. We dated for about a month in the summer then I left for Japan. When I go back on Dec 23rd it would have been 5 months since we'd last seen each other.

Not only did I send roses, but I also took the lyrics to her favorite song and reworked them into a poem. The first bouquet of flowers I sent her (a few months ago) had a much simpler poem...I believe it went like:

"With you I wish I could be,
To share these every day,
Instead take these from me,
My hugs and kisses in a bouquet."

Her AIM away message was devoted to me for the next week or so after that Not to mention I didn't even know how well the poems would go over...to be completely honest, we hadn't hung out enough for me to really get to know her. Yet, all my girl friends that I told this story to said it was really romantic, that girls will pretend to just be happy to receive flowers but deep down inside a lot of them will be extremely ecstatic, they'll want to show it off to all their friends, because now they're being treated like the girl in all those romance novels or movies.

Funny thing was, I met this girl just as I was contemplating changing my image. I had too strong of a "nice guy" image, constantly doing nice things without even realizing it. I had always heard that girls like the guys who are jerks to them, so I thought changing that part of me might be worth a shot. When I told her about that she got really worried, she likes the nice guys and wouldn't want me to ever become a "bad guy". And not only is this girl beautiful, but I can't beat her at Mario Kart, and even though we both started Twilight Princess at the same time, she beat it before me by about a month (granted I was doing other stuff in Japan, but still ).

Point is, all girls are different. Some fall under a similar category, but nearly every girl you talk to will say "I'm not like most other girls", and she'll always be right - she's not. What works for one girl won't necessarily work for another. You could be a jerk to one girl and she'll like you, most definitely, but is that really the kind of girl you want to be with? I'd prefer to be with a girl that likes me for me, not a girl that likes me for whatever front I can put up.

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[Yes, a good percentage of girls work the same in some situations. Read "The Game" by Niel Strauss if you ever want to know how to pick up a girl. No, seriously, buy (or download if you must) this book, if you've never had much luck in love, this will definitely help you. Also watch Mystery's "The Pick-Up Artist" on VH1, the series is already over but you can find the torrents online). I didn't have to use any of the skills that that book taught me to meet this girl (actually I found out about it after I met her), but the things they talk about definitely do work on most girls. It's just basically about being witty and interesting. It gives you ways to talk to girls that you have nothing in common with ("So what do you think about tattoos?") and teaches you fun other tricks to make you seem a bit more interesting. Anyways, highly recommended for those nice guys who are vastly under-appreciated - the methods talked about in this book will allow you to keep being yourself, but allow you to express it to girls in a way that is attractive to them.)

 

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[tmw_redcell]

You guys are making this all way too complicated.

You just need a copy of my E-Book, "I am Redcell (And So Can You!)"

In it, I describe THE MOST EFFECTIVE ways to get girls to like you. You can triple your dating! Alsko, if your dating is zero, you get to add one to your score before multiplying.

What I say may seem strange at first, since men are told all the time to look up to women, and to get a woman you must worship her. That is simply not what women want.

Imagine if an unattractive girl came up from behind you in a bar, and after a few minutes of forced conversation told you that you were amazing and that if you spend some time with her she will treat you like a king. This girl actually knows nothing about you, and is simply objectifying you when she thinks she is worshipping you, and it's obvious, so what do you do? If you're a modern, independent man, you'll probably slap her or mace her. Get a life, you say, then come to me. You don't want to marry a butler. Someone subservient to you cannot be a life partner.

Women think the same way! They don't want a man who will do anything they say, who has no will of his own. They don't want a ***** because they have one already.

But how do I become a walking monument of power, a cadillac of men, like you, Redcell? My brothers, it is obvious. It is so obvious that I am going to warn you now not to smack yourself in the forehead too hard upon hearing it.

Believe in your muscles.

Before everything else. Your muscles are more important to your identity than your own name. Where friends, family, God, even your own mind betray you, your muscles will be as loyal to you as you are to them. Make your muscles stronger and you will become stronger as well. Not only mentally, but physically as well.

Most excuses for men today are actually fat blobs, sucking down cheeseburgers and weeping at televsion dramas as they have betrayed their own muscles. Their body's delicate balance of testosterone and estrogen, yin and yang, that ratio which makes us men, is upset.

Love is simply an evolutionary mechanism meant to attach us to others in order to propagate the species. Women look for traits in men which make them valuable mates. These traits were dominance in the tribe, the ability to provide for her and her potential children, and physical health.

I will start with the last because it is the most obvious. If you believe in your muscles, nurture them with work, have complex dialogues with them while other men sit there wishing they could be an inch taller, the payoff is obvious. Women are attracted to masculine men, just like men are attracted to feminine women. The woman can look at you and know you won't get her pregnant with a sickly child before and then get killed by a boar that you weren't strong enough to pop with your bare hands.

This ties in with your ability to provide for her children. It takes a lot of resources to build a strong body, so any man that has one must have been consistently healthy and resourceful for a long time. It is the same reason why men generally like curvy women with long hair. For those of you with muscular dystrophy, fret not, being fabulously wealthy is an adequate substitute here, and today this is probably the most important quality women look for.

Dominance in the tribe. Obviously, the strongest guy is dominant. But then, all women ask themselves, why is Vegeta more attractive to me than Nappa, when Nappa was more muscular? Aside from lacking belief in his muscles, Nappa was subservient to Vegeta socially. He took orders from him. In this same way, you must not take orders from others. You must not take any form of **** from others. If one of your friends makes fun of you, do not fly off the handle, you must be so dominant that you know his mocking is only his way of attempting to free himself from his inevitable place as being weaker than you. Mock him back to show him that you understand this perfectly well, then give a knowing look to the woman you are after. If she's not there, do it anyways to enforce the habit. If a stranger mocks you, however, grab him by the throat with one hand and toss him off the edge of the roof you're standing on. No not step back, for though he will shoot at you as he falls to his death, he will miss. They always miss.

So, now you know. Even though I have given away all of my secrets for free, I trust you will be so moved you will buy my E-Book anyways. It contains my most intimate thoguhts on bodybuilding, step-by-step guides on how to converse with women so that they know you are better than them, and most importantly, ways of conversing with women so that they do not talk back.