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Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

Jupiter's Biceps

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So here's the scoop: I'm town. Me and G Life are town. Trying to push anything else is nothing more than FUD at this stage, and I want to shave that argument off for good so that whoever is town between the two of you can help me find them. Still pretty sure that's Orbo, but my idea works to the one-percenter chance of Orboscum as well.

Orbo, you can read this too. If you're our townie, and I think you are, it's important for you to do so.


So what's there in our play? Some bad picks, I admit. But the information always led to the conclusion we drew and was coupled with awful play from the individual to boot. Gorf and particularly the drama llama looked opportunistic as all **** that day and we could see connections brewing very strongly. Alas -- wrong we were. No telling how the llama died. Could've been through bodyguarding or just targeting. I don't really think anyone in the town was worth protecting at that point, so I think they were probably targeted, which blew the bag up right in our face.

And then, oh what's this, RR trying to take control of the game in possible mylo and framing us as a guaranteed lynch. Yeah that's not ****ed up and scummy as all hell. We really thought he might have been scum trying to incriminate us with the kill. Well, hell, mafia probably WAS doing that and they were just more subtle about it than we thought. To boot, RR basically claimed Warlock, which is an ANTITOWN role. Anywhere. Forum, epicmafia, whatever. I could only find one actual Bookie on another site, and that Bookie didn't work anywhere near in as self-preserving and antitown a manner as RR's did, which was basically designed to make him push a ****ing ML in all likelihood.

Meow's results are, I think, one of the absolute worst-made decisions in the history of mafia game design. Ranging from esoteric as **** to blatantly leading, there was literally no reason to think she was anything but scum. Particularly with the blatant contradiction you yourself pointed out which resulted in a one in a god damn million coincidence (she gets "a robin" [not ROBIN] but decides to say Holy Batman, of all ****ing things, by sheer coincidence). Her play also reeked of playing you for a sucker, and the fact that she got items for two results but a picture of a specific ****ing character with specific ****ing alignment-leading connotations (mafia jailer), on the ONE result that resulted in personal accountability (it led to Gorf's lynch).... yeah. Truly, mindbogglingly bad design decisions there. No apologies for that.

So think of it from townBiceps POV there. We have one guy who "did they seriously just claim the warlock" and one person who looks like the blatantly obvious mafia stalker, AND freaking obvscum JTB claiming vig which is almost definitely not the case (a point we made earlier on, AND stuck to). They've gotta go. They've ALL gotta go.

So the probable warlock goes first. JTB gets a collar that forces him to kill Meow (we assumed... I guess he just killed her to play ball and try to weather the storm with the vig claim), and would blow up and kill HIM if he tried to divert from that path.

That was what we thought would blow out all the rest of the scum. It didn't pan out entirely as we hoped, because this game apparently has had a special mixture of questionable design choices and awful play.

But we did get JTB right. And this is the important kicker here.

Day 5 was going to end in Ran's lynch. We did NOT have to do ANYTHING to make it happen, it's just WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. We would have zero accountability other than kicking back and allowing it to happen.

What implications does this have?

The game at the time consisted of us, Orbo, Ran, JTB, and Xonar. If Glyph and I are scum, that's 5man lylo. Scum literally has to die right away, or all is lost.

And Ran's lynch was happening.

And we could have passively allowed this to happen, and all of the claims were out, meaning there was no possibility of getting ****ed around by Night craziness (that we knew of).

Ran's lynch was happening. All a scumBiceps would have to do is kick back, let it happen, and hit the indy with a kill to save JTB and thus win the game, based on the information available at the time. But we didn`t.

No, I saw something disturbing, and I ****ing pointed it out. I was the one who caught that the abduction seems to happen low in the NAR, and thus lynching JTB on D6, as per the plan, would be a bad idea as he would get to kill on the upcoming N5 prior to his abduction, possibly ****ing everything up.

There is LITERALLY not ONE pro-scum thing about what I did there. Not ONE. I did that because I saw that we were making a horrible mistake, derailed the Ranmaru lynch (and thus a MAFIA WIN, IF I WERE MAFIA) and got JTB, the badsly mcbad guy, LYNCHED.

Me. I did that. Not anyone else. And, heh, if you are town then JD I have to thank you for pointing that laser at Xonar. That made this revelation possible.

So we go into N5 with a dead and confirmed bad guy, finally. Also, note the things I said to Ran in that very same post I linked. I was tremendously frustrated with Ranmaru, as he truly just wears his pants on his head and his shoes on his hands when it comes to logic sometimes. And it makes him infuriatingly difficult to read, because he will very often grab onto a bunch of null tells and refuse to let go of them. This playstyle is of course a perfect playstyle for scum to hide behind, and while Ran is quite awful at scumhunting logic, he is NOT a stupid person. He`s quite aware of this potential boon.

This made him an unacceptable question mark. After his actions there was just no figuring him out. So, yes, we let him die. So what? His play was ****ing miserable. I`m not happy about the game not being won, but I`m sure as hell glad it`s you two and not one and Ranmaru. I don`t think anyone that has ever played mafia could solve that one.

Ran was town. Okay. Unexpected, but not exactly surprising. So we reread the game. And we caught the abductor. And we slammed him up against the wall and bashed his head against it until his brains were leaking out the back of his dome. And then he was dead. Once again. Us.

Despite some stumbles, GLife and I have literally been the one weapon town has had. The glue that kept everything together. We are the only people that have made the right calls at the right time. The fact that our alignment has been such a persistent question in this game is nothing less than outrageous. Even moreso after, once again, as scum the obvious play was to just allow Ran to die, shoot abductor, print money.

I really can`t stress this hard enough. What we did on D5, if we were scum, is LITERALLY crumpling up the win in our hands and throwing it off a pier. It doesn`t. Make. Sense.

And it`s even crazier to think this now. Almost all abductors return their captives upon death. Gmoney and I both know this. Guess what? If scumBiceps had passively allowed the Ran lynch to go through, and allowed JTB to get abducted, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN RETURNED TO THE GAME TOO, MEANING THE GAME WOULD ALREADY BE WON.

ScumBiceps has already forfeited the game not once, but TWICE over. For absolutely NO gain whatsoever. That does. Not. Make. SENSE.

We`re town. Period. And we have a way to prove it beyond all doubt; it only requires a bit of trust from JD. Which is why I`ve written this up, though Orbo seeing it is important too as I still really do think he`s the townie.

So what say you, JD?
 

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*looks back* The laser actually did go through :D
Good call then, I didn't see any of that in my hyper skim.

I'm willing to forgive you for the MLs, especially Meow and Ryu. I'm certainly not going to hold that against you if you can forgive my Gorf ML.

With that info out there I'm totally willing to get behind Jupitertown even moreso. Even if you were scum you'd deserve the win at that point and I'd just give you golf claps.


What do you need me to do?
 

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Vote: Orbo

I'm going to read D5 for giggles while I wait since I clearly didn't look at it hard enough to realize all this already coming into today.
 

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Vote: Orbo

I'm going to read D5 for giggles while I wait since I clearly didn't look at it hard enough to realize all this already coming into today.
THIS is exactly what we needed you to do.

You'll notice a distinct lack of something in this post. Namely, we're not hammering Orbo.

You know, the thing that, as scum, we would do and win the game.

This concludes our broadcast of 'Biceps is the towniest bro in the world'
 

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And for the record before I go to bed, I don't hate you JD. I don't think EE does either.

Mafia games tend to get heated, and our argumentative style is a bit abrasive. It doesn't mean I think less of you as a person, same with any other player. I've been called ******** and stupid or whatever more times than I can count in mafia, but later that same day I can chat with the person in skype like nothing had ever happened.

Off topic and all but I'm super tired and don't really have anything to add right now.
 

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Votecount 8.2

Jupiter's Biceps: Jdietz43 >
Jdietz43: Jupiter's Biceps > Orbo
Orbo:

Count
Orboknown (1): Jdietz43

Not voting: Orboknown, Jupiter's Biceps

Deadline is Thursday, April 12th at 11:59 PM EST!

Unrelated but interesting note: I'm hella tired, but I can't stay away from my PS3. I have a problem :urg:


:phone:
 

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Works for me lol.

So now it's up to me to convince you that while I'm a screw up, Orbo is mafia.

My main case here: and probably the best case I could make is Orbo's behavior.

He never stepped out on his own, and always asked for the opinion of others before making choices, never seeming to care one way over the other as long as people were satisfied with him. This is nearly exactly what I attempted to do as noobscum in SF 2 mafia, only he's not even trying to do the "I'm town" song and dance, he's just there. It's been Lylo twice and he hasn't shown up or given a particular thought one way or the other as long as at the end of the day he still existed.

I may have set you off by being a dolt, but he's been actively trying to be unhelpful and a complete mystery. I would urge you to try and make a solid guess as to what his opinion of any one lynch is: it's hard. It's really hard. I'll attempt to look up specifics if given time, but just like Ran asked me that one time: I think you know there's only so much I can dig for on him.

I however have been here and hunting for better or worse up until the moment I "died", and I'm still doing my best now that I'm back.
 

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@ Ninja: It's ok, I get that lol. Looking back on how I initially handled you coming out suspecting me I can't say it wasn't just a little deserved.
 

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To better illustrate this: I'm going to grab every Orbo quote from Day 5 and put them all in the next post. If Orbo behaved like he normally did: this should be a short but not sweet list of one sentence quotes in comparison to any given day where I was still alive.
 

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This is every single post he had Day 5: which we already have seen was a critical day in the overall arc of the game. How many of these are contributions to the game, and of those, how many are actually opinions with any solid backing or reasoning. The list is short to nill.

I'd do the same with myself on one of the days I was still alive, but I think it would take up much much more room and is probably entirely unnecessary.

so that pretty confirms xonar's theory about the person getting planted will be abducted.
Jupiter got their collar working correctly. wondering on this sandwich thing and what it does
do I undo the vines guys?
Obviously i was going to wait on the others.
Xonar, you write your report?
Jupiter, seems we know your NA through JTB.
Ran was a distraction, as i got that pm too. wonder what its point was though.
JTB claims meow kill, do we knock him off?

planter between ran xonar and maybe JTB, but not very likely him. don't see jupiter having that in addition to his role, but possible.
I think it would be indy. not completely sure though.

in claiming our NAs?
im leaning toward ran being that vine thing, because iirc everyone who has flipped has had some form of PR and he has something that makes you look at him before continuing on your merry way? seems off.
let JTb disappear,
lynch ran today.
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lynch.. idk. Xonar i guess if ran isn't the abducter.
you weren't kidding when you said you wrote an essay
I'll be definitely online wednesday, maybe thursday morning. not at deadline though. still want me to vote?
to class. I was only on break
Vote:JTB
the lynch on you was only if ran proved to not be abductor. you're the only other person I could see being the abductor in that scenario
 

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I can easily do the exact same with any given day you want: but the results will most likely look similar.
 

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Orbo, why shouldn't I assume it's you as the last mafia since Jupiter has been active?
because when i have been able to get on, I've at least tried to get shiz right. I asked opinions of the people who i thought were town becaue I didn't wanna **** anything up for town.
Alright, Orbo I assume you can confirm this and/or tell us what it turns out you really got?
I got a plastic shield and hat that makes me a knight of bull****onia. it translates to a one time BP. I didn't get anything on it poping.
To better illustrate this: I'm going to grab every Orbo quote from Day 5 and put them all in the next post. If Orbo behaved like he normally did: this should be a short but not sweet list of one sentence quotes in comparison to any given day where I was still alive.
behave like i normally did meaning not post when i couldn't get online? I worked easter, friday. and thursday. I was with friends saturday. sue me.


i'm still leaning towards JD. i was gonna roll with john scum, like i've said since the begining of the game, but he flipped town.

Food for thought. JTB was a mafia jan. ryker was janned. wouldn't that implication be ryker town?
 

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I read everything. I'll reread it after i get lunch. I had JD as town right until he got abducted, but I'm considering everything right now. your point on winning with JTB is solid though.

still want your opinion on the ryker town through being janned thing.
 

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I've already stated that. Ryker was almost certainly going to be lynched D3, so JTB shot him looking for town cred to support his vig claim.

I'm not sure you've read EVERYTHING though, considering:

-You're supposed to be looking for scum
-This slot just had the chance to hammer you, and didn't. Making us about as town as feasibly possible in a fame
-You're not voting for, from your perspective, is the only person left who CAN be scum
 

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do I want to end the game when it is lylo and I'm not completely sure? No. I assume you're waiting for me to vote before choosing to hammer JD? because I'm almost damn sure I won't vote for you.
 

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You should be 100 PERCENT sure you won't vote for me.

And we're going to let this play out a bit before we decide who we're hammering, as well as re-reading both of you. We're not losing this damn game, not after this long.
 

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lol. understandable(I'm wondering how it is ****ing day 8 by this point.) alright, since you're going to reread the entire damn thing with us two,
Vote:Jdietz
thanks for the invention btw. going to grab lunch now
 

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"Hello, I'm Witness James, reporting live from downtown New Neo-Tokyo 2!"

"Hey, wait, didn't we kill you?"

"Yes, and?"

"How are you reporting?"

"...I got bet-"

Bang!

Thud!

Eyewitness James, NPC Narrator has been killed!
"So, Gigabots Pilots, IT'S COME TO THIS? I shall end this JUMBO MADNESS HERE!"

"Hey, random character, get out of the way!"

"FOOL! Now you will DIE!"

And Steven died.

Orboknown, Steven, Town De-Evolutionary Ray has been lynched!
"AND NOW IT'S JUST YOU!"

JDietz, Commander Stryker's blonde assistant, Town Laser Deflector has been endgamed!
JUPITER'S BICEPS, EMPEROR JUMBO, MAFIA CALVIN HAS WON THE GAME!
Notes and comments coming soon!
 

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Alright, so rather than just explain every little thing and throw role PMs out there for you to read, I'm dumping my notes on you. Why? Simple: All the PMs (read: every single one) were written by Glyfe and then I just added paragraphs describing powers. If you still want the role PMs, I'll round 'em up, but here is just the raw data I compiled while making/tweaking the set-up and then casting roles.

Character list: Phoenix Stryker, Commander Stryker, Emperor Jumbo, Garth, Stephen, Steven, Kris, Commander Stryker's Assistant #1 (Blonde), Clarence, Commander Stryker's Assistant #2 (Bearded), Phoenix's Mom, Father O'Reiter (Outraged Cleric), Super Government Computer #2, Super Government Computer #3, Dr. Park, Nikki, SLOZZ, Darkstar, Garth's Dad, Chlora, the "Power Sucker"

INDY
PLANT ABDUCTOR GET THE **** AT ME (Chlora)
-Selects a word to use as the plant word
-When said, person loses their vote that day.
-That night, player who triggered the plant word is kidnapped
-Released upon Indy Death
-One-shot BP
-Safeclaim:
-Item Stolen:

SCUM:
Scum "Calvin" (Emperor Jumbo)
-Inventor
-Gives one-shot items of whatever he thinks up
-Items will work
-Has to submit an image of the item
-Will not be told what powers the item gives
-Powers will generally have no bearing on the game
-Cannot repeat items
-Safeclaim: Zeus
-Item Stolen:

Scum Pathetic Janitor (Power Sucker)
-One-Shot Jan ability
-Can only be used after some form of a day trigger I have yet to figure out because oh gog would that give him away if it's too obvious
-Takes one less vote to lynch
-Safeclaim:
-Item Stolen:

Scum Suicide Bomber (Slozz)
-One-shot bomb
-Targets someone during the day and takes them with him
-Also a traitor, doesn't know scum team
-Trigger:
-Safeclaim:
-Item Stolen:

TOWN:
Town Gardner (Steven)
-One-shot
-Can target any one player
-If that player has an overgrown "garden", the gardener will remove the weeds
-If the player does not, the gardener will fail and the shot will be blown
-Breaks the indy's abductions
-Item Stolen:

Town (Sleepwalking) Bodyguard (Kris)
-Powerless townie
-Randomly targets players during the night (without being told?),
-Once per night, may target a player for protection
-Should that player die, the bodyguard will die in his place
-Item Stolen:

Town Tracker (Stephen)
-Targets one player a night
-Gets told who that player targets
-Item Stolen:

Town Thief (Garth)
-Targets one player a night
-Steals an item from that player
-Item will be related to the player's role
-Item Stolen:

Town Jailer (Phoenix)
-Targets one player a night
-Player will be both roleblocked and protected from all night kills
-Cannot self-target
-Item Stolen:

Town Bookie (Nikki)
-1-shot ability
-During the night, targets one player
-If that player is lynched the next day, the bookie receives a one-shot commuting ability (is not informed what he receives)
-Commuting ability will remove player from the game during the night and protect him from all night actions
-Item Stolen:

Town Attention ****** (Dr. Park)
-One-shot ability
-During the night, may opt to "Become the center of attention"
-When the "center of attention", opposing players cannot help but to stop what they're doing and look at you
-(After players have looked, they go back to what they're doing)
Item Stolen: Sunglasses

Town Sidekick* (Clarence, Commander Stryker's Assistant)
-Back-up role
-Gains the Vigilante's gun with as many shots left as the vig had on death of the vigilante
-(Vigilante is the popcap vigilante, so the gun is ultimately useless)
-Item Stolen:

Town Laser Reflector* (Commander Stryker's Assistant #1 [The blonde guy])
-Passive role
-Reflects all lasers targeted this player back to whomever targeted the player
-(But no laser-shooting roles)
-Item Stolen:

Town (Popgun) Vigilante* (Commander Stryker)
-Three shots
-Once per night, may target a player with the gun to kill
-(Gun bullets don't kill player)
-(Target will receive a PM saying they heard a loud noise like gunfire over the night and got scared)
-Item Stolen:


Player List

(1. Name (Aliases and such, don't use your online tag, that's unoriginal)
2. What's your favorite song?
3. Do you like furries?
4. Please say yes?
5. Do you like turtles?)

1. Inferno / Blade / Rick Assley - Never Gonna Give You Up / No / Yes / Yes / Town Tracker
2. Jupiter's Biceps (Glyfe/EE) / Tank Stopper and Tip Tappers (gotta have a name for each 'cep man) / Aerodynamic - Daft Punk / Nobody likes furries, not even furries themselves / "Not after that atrocity of a question" / Like wise old ocean wizards too cool for magic, so yes, but only if they're not nerds / Mafia Calvin
3. MeowMonster / Overloard of the Universe / Collectively, the Pokemon Blue/White soundtrack / Not really, but is "open minded" / nes / Very much so, has one called Looni / Town Thief
4. Murderbush (Ryker/Raziek) / Miles / I've probably never heard of it / Feels that the furry movement is a counterculture / Maybe / Turtles might be too mainstream / Mafia Traitorous Suicide Bomber
5. John2k4 / Pete Rogers / Doesn't have a favorite / "Most of them are nice people" / Yes? / Yes / Town Sidekick
6. Super Vegito (Zen/Ranmaru) / Evil George Washington / Metallica - And Justice for All / No / Yes / Yes / Town Attention *****
7. Detective Sherlock Hound (Joey/RR) / Fgt. FoxxyDawg (some kind of new officer in the gay parade?) / Hello Seattle - Owl City and some kpop **** / Yes / Yes / I do like Turtles, but not a lot / Town Bookie
8. Bardull / Dunnarth Chesire / Bach's Little Fugue in G minor / ...No / No / Turtles are ballin' / Town Popcap Vig
9. Bananalama (Kataefi/Kuz) / None / Likes deep songs with meaning, such as...Britney Spears - I'm a Slave for you... / no / yes? / i like turtles (HAH SOMEONE FINALLY DID IT) / Town Bodyguard
10. JTB / Pagemaster / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GggY4TEYbk&list=FLnhHCQEX5fLoU8A4DaqyMMA&index=2&feature=plpp_video / Yes / No / Maybe SO / Mafia Hated Jan
11. Orboknown / Erik / Wild Side - Motley Crue / I don't like them / Yes? / Sure I do / Town De-Evolutionary Ray
12. Gorf / Scotty McDaniells (with two l's) / Gotta love the classics, such as Elton John's Tiny Dancer / "Hell no, what do you think this is?!" / "Don't tell me what to do chump" / "They're alright" / Town Jailer
13. Gova / Takicodos / Currently, a bunch of ****, but always: I'll Make a Man Out Of You (from Mulan) / Depends, Red Ruy's pretty cool, but then there's that Gheb guy / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyqUj3PGHv4 (He bets I'll enjoy this) / [image of TMNT: Turtles in Time for the Super Nintendo] / Indy Plant Abductor
14. Jdietz / Ditz / Jukebox Hero - Foreigner / "Not [his] thing but they're okay" / Ok / Yes / Town Laser Reflector

Question four: Jupiter's Biceps, Meowmonster, Murderbush, Bardull,, JTB, Gorf,
Question three: John, DSH, JTB, Gova?, Murderbush?
Question five: Murderbush, JTB, Jupiter's Biceps, Gova
Question two: Bardull, MeowMonster,

Scum team: Murderbush, JTB, and Jupiter's Biceps
Indy: Gova
PRs: MeowMonster, Inferno, Jdietz, Orbo, Sherlock Hound, Gorf
"VTs": Super Vegito, Kuz/Kata, Bardull, John



NAR:
0. "Attention *****"
1. Jail
2. Bodyguard
2. Invent/Thief/Book/Fake actions
3. Kill/Jan
4. Abduct/Plant
5. Track

D1
Town [Lynch] Inferno

N1
Gorf [Jail] Bananalama
Biceps [Invent] Farting Butt [Send] Vegito
Hound [Bookie] Bardull
Bardull ["Shoot"] John
Banalama [Guard] Murderbush
MeowMonster [Steal] John
Gova [Plant] "Like"

1-Shot Farting Butt: Farts at someone.

Actions not happening: Mafia shot, Janitor, Watchman, Bomb. Garden
Blocked: Bodyguard

D2
Town [Lynch] Bardull

N2
Gorf [Jail] Kuz
Kuz [Bodyguard] *-***********-*
Biceps [Invent] Laser Eyepatch (OH MY GOG THE IMPLICATIONS) [Send] John
MeowMonster [Thief] Gorf
John ["Shoot"] Murderbush
Vagito ["Gas"] Murderbush
Mafia (JTB) [Shoot] Murderbush
JTB [Jan] Murderbush
Bronar [Plant] "Dammit"
Bronar [Abduct] John

Not acting: Orboknown,

Gorf please jail murderbush, it'll make my life

d'aw

D3

Town [Lynch] Gorf

N3
Biceps [Invent] GIGABOT [Send] JDietz
MeowMonster [Thief] Bananalama
Mafia (JTB) [Shoot] Bananalama
Bronar [Plant] "Search"

Not Acting: Bananalama, Orboknown, Ranmaru

D4
Town [Lynch] Detective Sherlock Hound

N4
Ranmaru ["Attract"] Playerlist
Biceps [Invent] "Compliance" Dog Collar [Send] JTB
MeowMonster [Thief] Biceps
JDietz ["Point"] Xonar
Mafia [Shoot] MeowMonster
Bronar [Plant] "First"
Bronar [Abduct] JDietz

Not Acting: Orboknown

D5
Town [Lynch] JTB

N5
Biceps [Invent] Windmill Girl [Send] Xonar
Mafia [Shoot] No One
Bronar [Plant] "Definitely"

Not Acting: Orboknown

D6
Town [Lynch] Ranmaru

N6
Xonar ["Distract"] Orbo
Biceps [Invent] Butt Bomb [Send] Xonar
Scum [Shoot] Xonar
Bronar [Plant] ----

D7
Town [Lynch] Xonar
John and JDietz return to the game!

N7
John ["Shoot"] Orbo
Biceps [Invent] Bull**** Armor [Send] Orbo
Mafia [Shoot] John

D8
Town [Lynch] JDietz

Game!
 
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