Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[Jupiter's Biceps]

aight

I'll sit here and flex my muscles ponderously.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not changing alignments. Calling JDietz confirmed town was a sincere error.

haha I came back

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

god damn it xonar like there wasn't enough WIFOM already

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No but seriously one of Jupiter and Orbo is scum. GL everyone. I was this close. Did not factor a scummer.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

For the record, I don't think Orboknown is smart enough to no kill N5 and N6 just to remove any and all scum suspicion. That leaves Jupiter.

Shouldn't have lynched me, broski. If anything, I'll arm town with the best knowledge available to me.

 

[Orboknown]

Actually, **** it.

I have good reason to believe JDietz is scum with JTB. Will elaborate tomorrow when I wake up and stuff.

contradicted himself here with his later statement, but we already know that.

Oh right, a point I forgot.

Seeing as he probably has all three scum abducted,

slip?

inb4 John was actually scum

And yeah John was possibly mafia because I've never seen a mafia janitor that works with a town vig kill.

Except if anyone has different experiences?

and calling john mafia

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

And yes, it's realistic for him to do that because he has no idea if the Indy is BP or if he can reflect shots or whatever. Playing it safe is normal.

Oh right, a point I forgot.

Seeing as he probably has all three scum abducted,

slip?

LOL keep trying buddy. If anything, it's a town slip because I forgot that Ryker wasn't the one being abducted.

 

[Orboknown]

but then you called ryker town later on.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

No that's a not-reading-the-game-and-coasting slip actually.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

contradicted himself here with his later statement, but we already know that.

I called Ryker traitor. Not town.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No that's a not-reading-the-game-and-coasting slip actually.

Well one would assume that Indy knows who he abducted.

I would.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

So what you're saying is that you're not the indy.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No I'm saying that I intentionally left town slips in my game like that. They're all over the place, just only findable by someone looking for them. Was kinda surprised you didn't react to them. Very surprised by your 180 on both slots. Very. A block of cement. An anti town read an entire game. See how you being mafia isn't weird from my PoV? Oh and my BP shot, at the same time you sent me that invention. Looked like you were endgame taunting me before wanting to kill me. (I laughed at it though)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

So yeah, I don't know who popped my indyBP, but looking at night kills I'm pretty darn ****ing sure that it's Jupiter. I doubt Orboknown would intentionally no kill to make sure there's no scum suspicion anymore (great move there to Jupiter scum, btw)

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

An anti town read an entire game.

I had given you enough credit of intelligence to assume, during our spat, that this was just one of those "everything and the kitchen sinks" moves of scrumbling desperation. I didn't think you actually felt you could "prove" our read on Orbo hadn't changed, or that changing a read DURING NIGHT PHASE BEFORE MYLO is a scumtell. You're a funny guy. No wait just dumb.

The fact that you think townEE would let this slot keep all its reads out there is silly, and the fact that you think a read can't change anywhere leading up to ****ing D7 from D3 is simply hilarious.

You got played, son. GLife may have lacked skepticism on you, but I sure as hell didn't. The moment you claimed that janky reporter **** I had my eye on you, and the fact that you kept crafting Xonar/Biceps endgame scenarios after buddying up as hard as humanly possible was literally always alarming. But I kept my mouth shut because I knew you'd pounce on the bait and keep us alive until endgame if you WERE scum, meaning I'd have lots of time to get reads, reread the game, and analyze.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

And with that, I'm done talking to dead scum.

Somebody get a dustpan and sweep up that buttsalt it's starting to stain the carpet.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Thanks Washed for hosting. Had a blast. Sorry about my performance.

Good luck & have fun everyone! Sorry for all insults I've swung around.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh my, Xonar's dead.

OH WELL!

Xonar, Chlora, the Independent Plant Abductor has been lynched!

Also, John and JDietz are back. Go figure.

Night 7 begins! Deadline is Friday, April 6th, at 11:59 PM EST!

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Night is over!

John2k4, Clarence, Commander Stryker's Assistant, Town Backup was killed!

Day 8 begins! Deadline is Thursday, April 12th at 11:59 PM EST!

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

well, ****. That is not what I expected.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Time to reread and reevaluate for the millionth time, I guess. Gotta talk to Gmoney in a bad way right now

Neither of you vote. I'd love to hear what you have to say, though.

 

[John2k4]

:fuuu:

Good luck town.

 

[Jdietz43]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nbjZXt_NVMA#t=192s


That is not in the least what I expected either...

The only thing I can think of is if his vig weapon was laser based and he shot me and it bounced... or he didn't shoot and mafia actually does have an NK. This would have been way easier if we knew what he was trying to do last night...

Anyways, for me it's down to whether I believe Orbo or Jupiter. Bhleeck.

Jupiter who did you send what useless nonsense last night?
Orbo, why shouldn't I assume it's you as the last mafia since Jupiter has been active?



PS: Thank you Jupiter for pinning Xonar, I had him as scummy ever since the start of the day where we lynched Detective but didn't get a chance to speak more than a single post since the lynch went through as I logged on. I even pointed my laster pointer at him for whatever good it may have done :3

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

god the music in that scene is ****ing awesome.

Sent Orbo a medieval-style shield that covers his entire body and a Sherlock cap.

 

[Jdietz43]

Alright, Orbo I assume you can confirm this and/or tell us what it turns out you really got?


Jupiter: what do you think the chances of Washed giving Orbo a safeclaim from the Gigabots team is? Because right now I either have to believe that Orbo is coasting mafia, or you're mafia inventor since you're definitely confirmed in that department.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

I think I'll refrain from answering that until I talk to GLife and probably until Orbo posts too (seriously it's Good Friday where is this kneegrow), but I do have an answer for you.

For now I will say that I wanted to know where your head is at. Right now you're giving me "it's you or the other guy". Okay. That's kind of assumed. Anything else?

 

[Jdietz43]

There's not much else to it at this point until I get input. I had assumed that me coming back after abductor died was a pipe dream so I didn't expect it to matter too much how exactly I paid attention. I've been keeping tabs on the game, and I'll probably re-read the game, but I can only get so much out of Orbo either way.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Fair enough, I guess.

God damn it G Life get your *** back here you should be here by now

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Orbo, you too, duder. You need to be more active, even moreso toDay. Banging our brains out with a brick arguing with Xonar while having no idea when you would pop in and no dialogue with you to work on was a seriously painful experience and we can't afford that this time around when the play isn't nearly as obvious.

Once Orbo posts I should hopefully have talked to Glyph by that point. We'll say what we think is up, and what we plan to do about it. Not much else I can say at this juncture.

 

[Jdietz43]

We're kind of at a standstill until Orbo happens to stop by, yeah. I suppose I shouldn't blab too much more until he shows up either.

 

[Jdietz43]

See if we can't get some distilled results that way

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Okay, lets get this ball rolling. EE did a ballin job of holding down the fort until we could both talk about putting our cards down, and we're both thinking its time to go ahead and push over some nerds.

At the end of yesterDay, we were feeling GOOD. Orbo was town. Indy was dead. The game was supposed to be over, right? But then people start coming in making posts like the game is over, and then moments after those posts are GONE. DELETED. It became painfully clear that the game wasn't over yet.

Xonar starts laying down all this **** about his abductees coming back and pushing that he had been shot like no ones business. And while the first point was obviously true, the second was pretty clearly motivated by (as EE would say) 'massive amounts of buttsalt'.

But what if he WAS telling the truth? Wouldn't that make Orbo the last scum? Yes, it would. BUT Xonar wasn't telling the truth. There was no shot, not until JD and John returned to the game.

But come on. Like we'd just say something like that and not have the facts to back it up.

For the record, I don't think Orboknown is smart enough to no kill N5 and N6 just to remove any and all scum suspicion. That leaves Jupiter.

Shouldn't have lynched me, broski. If anything, I'll arm town with the best knowledge available to me.

Let me know if you see it right away. I didn't, and EE is actually the genius who found this magnificent gem of a slip. Let me narrow it down for you a bit.

For the record, I don't think Orboknown is smart enough to no kill N5 and N6 just to remove any and all scum suspicion.

Not 'Orbo wasn't smart enough to no kill one night and then shoot me but hit my secret hidden BP'. THERE WAS NO SHOT UNTIL JOHN AND JD RE-ENTERED THE GAME. If there was ANY doubt about the Orbotown read, it evaporated with this post.

Considering that John and JD were pretty much massive question marks, we figured we'd see either our slot or Orbo die last night, or a no kill. We were already feeling good about Orbo, so we set off to find scum between the last two.

And actually... we came up with Johnscum. Massive connections to Ryker D1 and D2 with Ryker calling him town for no reason (and yes, Ryker was mafia. Because there has only been one mafia flip, and yet the game hasn't ended. Mafia faction implies multiple members. We were pretty damn sure ingame Days ago, but now we are COMPLETELY sure). JTB pushing a wagon on him, only to be the first to drop his pressure (because 'he was afraid of a mislynch').

With stuff like that coming up on D1 and D2, we didn't even both looking at JD. Why would of we? We figured we'd either be dead, or we'd show up and lay the smackdown with our case.

But then John died.

So put yourself in our shoes. We're going into this Day feeling pretty damn good about Orbotown. Soooooo our direction becomes pretty clear through simple PoE.

JD is the last mafia. But hey, just saying 'we did it with PoE' is not good enough. Not when we've played this game as hard as we have. And thankfully, we've got enough evidence in toDay's play ALONE to back that claim up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nbjZXt_NVMA#t=192s


That is not in the least what I expected either...

The only thing I can think of is if his vig weapon was laser based and he shot me and it bounced... or he didn't shoot and mafia actually does have an NK. This would have been way easier if we knew what he was trying to do last night...

Well that's a pretty strange first thought to have, isn't it? Especially since on Day 4, in your initial claim you say...

I've yet to determine exactly what that entails: but I mostly suspected it was a red herring role from Washed. Either that or the vig (who I initially assumed would be the Green Gigabot laser) wouldn't touch me.

Unless you can find me an instance of Bardull or John ever even REMOTELY hinting that their kill would be laser based (or why you somehow apparently feel safe not considering that the mafia shot could be laser based. Spoiler: Its because you are mafia) then you're full of ****. Oh, and popcap vig. It made a loud sound and scared John. Laser guns aren't gunpowder based (not that anything else in this game has made sense).

Lets talk about the 'This would have been way easier if we knew what he was trying to do last night...' part too. I could have read that line completely out of context from the rest of the game, only knowing that John had died, and I would be pretty sure you were the one who killed him. Yeah OF COURSE it would be nice to know what he did last night, but we don't even have reason to believe his shot would have been lethal in any way, and even LESS reason to think that he would had a laser based kill. And yet, your very first assumption is based on BOTH of those.

Anyways, for me it's down to whether I believe Orbo or Jupiter. Bhleeck.

Better not do any reading or scumhunting!

Jupiter who did you send what useless nonsense last night?
Orbo, why shouldn't I assume it's you as the last mafia since Jupiter has been active?

EE already addressed the image. As for you implying Orbo is mafia because we've been active... WHAT. First off, that is the most loaded 'stance' I may have ever seen in my playing of mafia -- not only is it so clearly designed to unsettle Orbo by making him answer a question with a select few ****ty answers, most of which would make him look bad, its also practically BEGGING you to double back on it later on. Not to mention its just...wrong. You can't determine alignment from activity levels alone. Ever.

PS: Thank you Jupiter for pinning Xonar, I had him as scummy ever since the start of the day where we lynched Detective but didn't get a chance to speak more than a single post since the lynch went through as I logged on. I even pointed my laster pointer at him for whatever good it may have done :3

LOL

HEY GUYS

REMEMBER THAT SCUMMY GUY? I ALSO THOUGHT HE WAS SCUMMY! SCUMHUNTING IS A THING I LIKE TO DO, SINCE I AM TOWN! BUT, uh, DON'T LOOK AT MY POSTS SAYING I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUMMY SINCE I NEVER GOT AROUND TO SAYING IT.

Even though you were on a ton throughout the day. And had NUMEROUS chances to at least throw out some suspicion, beyond 'i shined a laser at him'. Without knowing what the laser does, you could argue that ANY way you wanted. Also good try with the buddying attempt.

Alright, Orbo I assume you can confirm this and/or tell us what it turns out you really got?


Jupiter: what do you think the chances of Washed giving Orbo a safeclaim from the Gigabots team is? Because right now I either have to believe that Orbo is coasting mafia, or you're mafia inventor since you're definitely confirmed in that department.

You are so fence-sitty with everything you've done so far its painful. You're not looking for scum. You're looking for Orbo or I to tell you where to put your vote.

Because you're mafia, and in the end you don't care who dies as long as its not you. Hey, I'm having a flashback to yesterDay!

So where does all this leave us? We've got our answer as to who the last scum is simply from good ol' PoE, but then we've got a TON of good stuff from toDay to back it up as well already. At this point its just a matter of either dragging it out, slowly collecting ammunition against JD trying to stay under his radar or just put it all out there and actually accomplish something.

vote: JD

And like we're going to take the easy way.

 

[Jdietz43]

You idiot. Of course I'm fence sitting waiting for Orbo to comment, I wanted what he said to be untainted. That's what you were doing.

Yes me reflecting John's shot was an outlandish stance: it was supposed to be. I saw his "FUUUU" face and thought "heh... wouldn't that have been funny". The alternative was that one of you were mafia, most likely Orbo because of Inventor, relaying that other possibility was only supposed to outline the obviousness of the situation. AKA: Since I couldn't otherwise explain John's death I suspect one of you shot him. It wasn't rocket science. If not A then B

Of course I'm going to low ball stilted questions Orbo's way if I suspect him of being the last scum in lylo. And you full well knew what I meant by activity: I meant that you had been spewing inventions out the wazzuu while he had just said "hi, I can de-vine people except whoops I'm not going to save Jdietz or anyone else for that matter and never actually proved my power even though Xonar was the plant and was telling me what to do and somehow Jupiter doesn't seem to care about this" And me congratulating you on Xonar isn't buddying, it's me be thankful that the one I had the confidence in being town of was smart enough to shoot a guy I didn't like plain and simple. I didn't have any time to comment on the day in question. The entire Detective push was already pushed through before I even realized it wasn't going to just be Meow auto-lynch like people were discussing. (Hey guess who pushed that through? I'll bet it was Xonar: hint it was.)

Now take your vote down before Orbo actually gets around to posting or he's going to have an easy auto-win. Either that or you're going to force my hand into a cross vote, and either way I don't trust Orbo to make the right decision if he's town and you aren't. But at least that way there's a chance.

 

[Jdietz43]

PS: if you're town, and we lose this, and it isn't somehow my fault. Both your sigs forever are reading: "Jdietz's stupid dumbo brain-waves are the besterest than me"

 

[Jdietz43]

Btw Orbo, If you come in here and aren't mafia and Jupiter still has his vote on me: I hope it's obvious to you that he's the mafia from his intent to put us in this situation.

(Otherwise well f*** because the game is already over)

 

[Jdietz43]

Elaboration BWOP: I don't want you to just be like "Oh yeah, of course. Jupiter has his vote on JD and JD isn't even voting back lol, obvious choice *vote JD*" Because that's not how this works in Lylo.

 

[Jdietz43]

Well I guess since no one is talking it's up to me to dig up stuff.


So Jupiter: What happened to this?:

Read 2881-2886 again. On occasion, the abductor can get your alignment upon abduction, and Xonar threw JD on his list of people who are "all confirmed town" despite JD not flipping, and also despite his putting JD on his scumlist all day err day.

And why the hell would you coast on Xonar if you didn't like him buddying you? Why: "If he brings me to end game with him that's just peaches" instead of "Guys I don't like this we should look into Xonar". You're not supposed to be in this for yourself Jupiter.


And don't start thinking that just because you've tossed me an invention that I'm not considering the fact you could be scum. Here's a claim for you: How about "Lord Jumbo: Mafia throws crud at people"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-LN8SircCh0#t=140s

Lame power for Lord Jumbo? Yes. Fitting? Also yes.

You say you don't like me because PoE, but all your other 'reasons' are weak. At one point you even correct me in my stance that I like you because you were active, thanks for wiping your own slate clean for me.

You like the simplicity of "Orbo was here, JD wasn't and then John died" while also trying to discredit my original thoughts that maybe John triggered my ability. I looked back at Gigabots and the guns they have seem to have muzzle flash, so I doubt that's the case, but claiming I'm scum just for having a PR I'm keeping tabs and an open mind on? Not a convincing case whatsoever. You're also not even attempting to consider that Xonar could have easily been telling the truth about BP popping. He may have been trying to incriminate one of you: but it doesn't have to be untrue either. As town I wouldn't expect you to just blatantly disregard everything like this and vote me.

What pro-town case do you have on Orbo? So far all I've got is: Didn't de-vine anyone, and was physically present for the first assumed Lylo with you and Xonar. That's it.

Now if you're actually town you better jump off that high horse and start doing some discussing rather than your "run them into the ground with muscles" routine. It worked on Xonar: but he was actually scum with things to hide. The stuff you're trying to throw my way is weak and wrong, and if you don't start to recognize it we're in for trouble. Either for both of us: or just for you.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

I had written this up like yesterday, but lost access to my laptop (and by extension, this account). So play catchup. I see you made a new post, I'll be addressing that momentarily or later tonight depending on when my family leaves.

You idiot.

Hahahaha, yeah I like to start my posts off with a joke sometimes too. Your delivery is a little bland, but the core of the joke is still sound.

Of course I'm fence sitting waiting for Orbo to comment, I wanted what he said to be untainted. That's what you were doing.

Right, because you thought he was scum right?

You avoided taking a stance saying you thought he was scum.... because you thought he was scum. And no, that was NOT what we were doing. We were pushing our scum read to say things, you were just passively saying that you were willing to vote for either Orbo OR this slot.

And to clarify, since you don't seem to grasp what 'fense-sitty' refers to: You're making sure you have the ability to vote for either living player while avoiding calling either one anything with any certainty.

Yes me reflecting John's shot was an outlandish stance: it was supposed to be. I saw his "FUUUU" face and thought "heh... wouldn't that have been funny".

uh... huh. There's absolutely no indication that its supposed to be outlandish. None. Hell, you even have it right next to the one you're saying is your REAL opinion! With absolutely no distinction between the two!

AND you've based it off the fact that John said 'FUUUU' WHEN. HE.DIED.

Because you're scrumbling!

The alternative was that one of you were mafia, most likely Orbo because of Inventor, relaying that other possibility was only supposed to outline the obviousness of the situation. AKA: Since I couldn't otherwise explain John's death I suspect one of you shot him. It wasn't rocket science. If not A then B

Okay. Lets pretend you're town for a second.

Day 8 starts. The game is not over. You're town.

OF ****ING COURSE THERE IS SOMEONE ANTI-TOWN LEFT. BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PLAYING MAFIA! And yet, is this your first instinct? NOPE! Its your 'purposely outlandish' idea that maybe John shot YOU and your shot was reflected and killed him.

And for someone who couldn't explain John's death, you sure were quick to have a theory on how it happened and throw it out there. Because you CAN explain John's death. Because you shot him.

Of course I'm going to low ball stilted questions Orbo's way if I suspect him of being the last scum in lylo.

Of COURSE. But the issue is not that you questioned him. Its that you never took a stance against him. You just hinted that maybe if you felt like it you could be persuaded to vote for Orbo...but also that you'd be down to vote for us.

And you full well knew what I meant by activity: I meant that you had been spewing inventions out the wazzuu while he had just said "hi, I can de-vine people except whoops I'm not going to save Jdietz or anyone else for that matter and never actually proved my power even though Xonar was the plant and was telling me what to do and somehow Jupiter doesn't seem to care about this"

That is NOT what activity means, nor does it have ANY bearing on alignment. RR/Joey had a night action that apparently was one shot, and then they got a BP. And whoa, they were town! Not using a oneshot night action is not scummy, especially not when it looked like it was nothing but a voteblock until after the second time. And then no one was abducted after that (save for JTB, but obviously we weren't going to have him unplant someone we WERE GOING TO LYNCH).

Elaborate on 'Xonar was telling him what to do'. Because what the **** do we care. Xonar is dead, and Xonar was working his *** off to look as not-indy as he could. Which meant doing EVERYTHING he could to keep Orbo alive.

And me congratulating you on Xonar isn't buddying, it's me be thankful that the one I had the confidence in being town of was smart enough to shoot a guy I didn't like plain and simple. I didn't have any time to comment on the day in question. The entire Detective push was already pushed through before I even realized it wasn't going to just be Meow auto-lynch like people were discussing. (Hey guess who pushed that through? I'll bet it was Xonar: hint it was.)

Okay. Prove you had a scum read on Xonar. THAT is the important part of this. And show me how it was Xonar who pushed that lynch through.

Oh wait, you won't be able to. Here's what we see when we read that post: it just looks like a splash of buddying and trying to take credit for a bad guy death you had no part in, and there's not really much you can do to dissuade the notion.

Now take your vote down before Orbo actually gets around to posting or he's going to have an easy auto-win. Either that or you're going to force my hand into a cross vote, and either way I don't trust Orbo to make the right decision if he's town and you aren't. But at least that way there's a chance.

WOW, you sound just like Xonar! The one who was anti-town, and wanted to lynch either Orbo or myself! And worked hard at keeping both those options open!

Problem with your idea is, you're the one who needs to die. And for some reason you seem to think Orbo will hammer you regardless of alignment...

OH, right! Because of the case against you! The one that's showing you're scum, that you have no defense for.

PS: if you're town, and we lose this, and it isn't somehow my fault. Both your sigs forever are reading: "Jdietz's stupid dumbo brain-waves are the besterest than me"

So if Orbo is scum, then I change my sig to that? Sure. But if he's town, I get to ghost write a post on your account. No edits or additions from you.

Btw Orbo, If you come in here and aren't mafia and Jupiter still has his vote on me: I hope it's obvious to you that he's the mafia from his intent to put us in this situation.

(Otherwise well f*** because the game is already over)

LOL. Right. Because we DON'T have a **** ton of reasons explaining our vote. Like every facet of it. This quote is so goddamn scummy it makes my skin crawl. You STILL aren't taking any stances, but you're also trying to paint us in a bad light and underhandedly pit Orbo and this slot against each other.

Elaboration BWOP: I don't want you to just be like "Oh yeah, of course. Jupiter has his vote on JD and JD isn't even voting back lol, obvious choice *vote JD*" Because that's not how this works in Lylo.

WOW that's an awful lot of faith in Orbo being town (especially from a guy who's had Orbo as his acclaimed 'top suspect!'). And ignoring what would happen if he were NOT town. AND it totally discounts that Orbo might ACTUALLY READ our case!

I will not unvote. And you will die.

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Well I guess since no one is talking it's up to me to dig up stuff.


So Jupiter: What happened to this?:

Xonar confirming he didn't get alignments happened. And the game STILL GOING happened. And Orbo being town happened. And US being town happened. And you being scummy happened.

Actually READ the damn first post I made.

And why the hell would you coast on Xonar if you didn't like him buddying you? Why: "If he brings me to end game with him that's just peaches" instead of "Guys I don't like this we should look into Xonar". You're not supposed to be in this for yourself Jupiter.

Yeah because this head of the hydra didn't have a 'town as hell' read on Xonar. All the damn time. Up until we had to re-read and found a ****ton of stuff that pegged him as indy. Literally this exact point has already been addressed in the first post Xonar JD.

And don't start thinking that just because you've tossed me an invention that I'm not considering the fact you could be scum. Here's a claim for you: How about "Lord Jumbo: Mafia throws crud at people"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-LN8SircCh0#t=140s

Lame power for Lord Jumbo? Yes. Fitting? Also yes.

Flavor analysis? Really? In a game where the roles have been what they have been.

Also, what makes you so confident Jumbo is in this game?

You say you don't like me because PoE, but all your other 'reasons' are weak.

And yet, you haven't addressed ANY. You've just addressed little details that don't even related to the core points against you.

At one point you even correct me in my stance that I like you because you were active, thanks for wiping your own slate clean for me.

'Gee thanks for giving me an excuse to keep you as an option to vote for you'. SCUMMY. AS. ****. And I corrected you because your reason was GARBAGE. TRASH. And exactly the kind of noobscum **** I would expect from you.

You like the simplicity of "Orbo was here, JD wasn't and then John died" while also trying to discredit my original thoughts that maybe John triggered my ability.

Oh so now those were serious thoughts? I thought it was just a joke! Because of how outrageous it was! Remember?

And literally, read my first post. If I were just saying what you've tried to boil down my case to WITHOUT SUPPORTING IT WITH EVIDENCE, then you'd be right! But what's this?!?!??! Evidence?!??!?! WOW! Reading can show you so much!

I looked back at Gigabots and the guns they have seem to have muzzle flash, so I doubt that's the case, but claiming I'm scum just for having a PR I'm keeping tabs and an open mind on?

The problem, again (jesus can you not read? I am honestly worried at this point) is that you're KEEPING THE OPTION OF BOTH PEOPLE OPEN, AND DOING NOTHING ON YOUR OWN TO DETERMINE WHO IS SCUM. Because oh yeah, you already know we're both town!

Not a convincing case whatsoever. You're also not even attempting to consider that Xonar could have easily been telling the truth about BP popping. He may have been trying to incriminate one of you: but it doesn't have to be untrue either. As town I wouldn't expect you to just blatantly disregard everything like this and vote me.

LITERALLY THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST TALKED ABOUT POINTS IN THE FIRST POST. WITH THE SLIP THAT SHOWS XONAR WAS FULL OF **** ABOUT SHOOTING. THE ****ING MASSIVE SLIP THAT PROVES ORBO IS TOWN.

What pro-town case do you have on Orbo? So far all I've got is: Didn't de-vine anyone, and was physically present for the first assumed Lylo with you and Xonar. That's it.

You know what. This can't be not reading. This is just straight up:

-Not understanding how the game works
-Ignoring our points

Pick one.

Now if you're actually town you better jump off that high horse and start doing some discussing rather than your "run them into the ground with muscles" routine. It worked on Xonar: but he was actually scum with things to hide. The stuff you're trying to throw my way is weak and wrong, and if you don't start to recognize it we're in for trouble.

WHAT. ARE... WHAT

YOU

ARE ACCUSING ME OF NOT DOING ****?! WE DON'T RUN PEOPLE INTO THE GROUND WITH JUST MUSCLES.

We run them into the ground with reasons they are scum. Oh, and EVIDENCE they are scum. And logical arguments as to WHY they are scum.

And literally, if it is so weak then why haven't you responded to ANY of it?! ANY!

Either for both of us: or just for you.

AND TO BRING US HOME! YOU STILL ARE SITTING YOUR *** ON THE FENCE! LIKE YOU'VE WEDGED A POST UP YOUR ***!

Good GOD.

 

[Jdietz43]

OF COURSE I'M ****ING CONFUSED YOU MORON. BECAUSE I'M TOWN: HAD A READ ON YOU AS THE REMAINING TOWN OVER ORBO: AND YOU **** ALL OVER IT BY STRAWMANNING ME INTO THE GROUND.

Vote: Jupiter's Biceps

Have I made myself clearer to you? I WAS WAITING. FOR. ORBO. TO. POST. ANYTHING. PERIOD. TO. GET. A. READ. ON. HIM. BECAUSE. HE. HASN'T. ****ING. DONE. ****. PERIOD.

But here you are: still running me into the ground. You claim up and down in your case that I'm not refuting your points while skimming the parts where I do. You ignored my explanation for my thoughts, discredit my honest opinions, and worst of all are taking quotes that incriminate YOU and making it seem like they're slips and lies from Xonar? **** THAT.

For the record, I don't think Orboknown is smart enough to no kill N5 and N6 just to remove any and all scum suspicion. That leaves Jupiter.

"That leaves Jupiter". I'm glad you're a strong enough player to go "aww ****" at that, panic, and try and turn it against me instead. But that's a totally rediculous reach.

"Xonar must be lying mhmmm, better cover it up with head shaking .gifs and hope our Orbo buddying from yesterday is strong enough to cover it"

You're right: Coming into this day my suspicion was Orbo. I wasn't sure about that. I didn't want to vote because in Lylo, if you vote before you're sure and you're wrong, then scum gets a free win.

You're not concerned about that. Not even close. Why? Because you're scum.

And you're right: I AM worried. Because you've been buddying Orbo so hard, and he's such a sheepy player he'll probably freaking just vote with you. That was fine if he turned out to be scum, but since that's seeming less and less likely, it IS a big deal.

You've made me sure it's not him.