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Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

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Right, because you thought he was scum right?

You avoided taking a stance saying you thought he was scum.... because you thought he was scum. And no, that was NOT what we were doing. We were pushing our scum read to say things, you were just passively saying that you were willing to vote for either Orbo OR this slot.
I avoided taking a stance because I wanted what he said to be his own honest opinion un-tainted by me accusing him. Something you seemed to be doing, and I was kind enough to let you do it by complying.


And to clarify, since you don't seem to grasp what 'fense-sitty' refers to: You're making sure you have the ability to vote for either living player while avoiding calling either one anything with any certainty.
Uh, yeah: because I don't actually know for sure and it's LYLO. Something you're not even close to concerned about.

uh... huh. There's absolutely no indication that its supposed to be outlandish. None. Hell, you even have it right next to the one you're saying is your REAL opinion! With absolutely no distinction between the two!

AND you've based it off the fact that John said 'FUUUU' WHEN. HE.DIED.

Because you're scrumbling!
I don't know what scrumbling means, and you clearly still don't understand how my mind works. Funny is always the first thought.

Okay. Lets pretend you're town for a second.

Day 8 starts. The game is not over. You're town.

OF ****ING COURSE THERE IS SOMEONE ANTI-TOWN LEFT. BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PLAYING MAFIA! And yet, is this your first instinct? NOPE! Its your 'purposely outlandish' idea that maybe John shot YOU and your shot was reflected and killed him.

And for someone who couldn't explain John's death, you sure were quick to have a theory on how it happened and throw it out there. Because you CAN explain John's death. Because you shot him.
Brain-waves. Fun>not fun. Why is this a big deal for you? You really want to try to make a case about the fact I had a fun thought that explains why John died alone with no other deaths rather than immediately going to the obvious solution? They were in the same sentence Jupiter. At the time I was indeed wondering why there wasn't a second death if John was a vig. Mind straight to keyboard.

Of COURSE. But the issue is not that you questioned him. Its that you never took a stance against him. You just hinted that maybe if you felt like it you could be persuaded to vote for Orbo...but also that you'd be down to vote for us.
I didn't want Orbo to think I was waiting to vote him. Once again, I was unsure and wanted to see what he'd say if we just let him speak and whether it would incriminate him or not. I COULD have been persuaded to vote for either of you. But you've persuaded me to vote for you.

That is NOT what activity means, nor does it have ANY bearing on alignment. RR/Joey had a night action that apparently was one shot, and then they got a BP. And whoa, they were town! Not using a oneshot night action is not scummy, especially not when it looked like it was nothing but a voteblock until after the second time. And then no one was abducted after that (save for JTB, but obviously we weren't going to have him unplant someone we WERE GOING TO LYNCH).

Elaborate on 'Xonar was telling him what to do'. Because what the **** do we care. Xonar is dead, and Xonar was working his *** off to look as not-indy as he could. Which meant doing EVERYTHING he could to keep Orbo alive.
Xonar had been theorizing up and down that plant = abduction. IT WAS A CORNERSTONE OF YOUR CASE AGAINST HIM. How can you just ignore that now?

Xonar took control of the day phase since the day Detective got ninja lynched. Orbo is a sheep, you know that, and you're currently exploiting it to push your agenda.

Okay. Prove you had a scum read on Xonar. THAT is the important part of this. And show me how it was Xonar who pushed that lynch through.

Oh wait, you won't be able to. Here's what we see when we read that post: it just looks like a splash of buddying and trying to take credit for a bad guy death you had no part in, and there's not really much you can do to dissuade the notion.
You're such a wise guy. Well here wise guy: I'm actually going to humor you and elaborate on why I had a scum read on Xonar. I'm glad you think that's impossible.

He comes in during the day right after I log off and starts spewing, immediately wrestling for control of the situation. He fights with Ran, assumes I'm going to be abducted (not damning but I didn't like the thought that he was just going to feed me to the dogs rather than unvine me if he really thought plants = abduct), Detective points out flaws in his plan and points out "Are you trying to command the indy?"

What does he do? Attacks RR. And later with your help: LYNCHES RR. Literally tells Orbo and JTB what to do and they do it.
Orbo said:
"alright.
read, we waiting for any explanations or can we go ahead and vote?"
Xonar said:
Shoot RedRuy today and tomorrow. Follow the plan.
You post about Warlock and suddenly this is the play for the day both for you and Xonar. Not (directly from your own opinion) "super confirmed mafia stalker that makes your panties twist", but just some guy who is either warlock, or SUPER PR town. I come in literally as he's lynched going "warlock? Yeah that sounds important", then when I'm ready to post some more: the thread is locked. Ryu flips town, and later I die. I didn't get a chance to say anything.

But now that I look at it: it's pretty clear that both you and Xonar look like *** for pushing this over Meow, especially after how strong your anti-town read on her was. I was focused on Xonar in this exchange, doing things such as posting how to break the indy game, but you're not sparkly clean yourself.

OH, right! Because of the case against you! The one that's showing you're scum, that you have no defense for.
inb4 you ignore everything I say in these new posts too


So if Orbo is scum, then I change my sig to that? Sure. But if he's town, I get to ghost write a post on your account. No edits or additions from you.
Nope, not anymore since this is how it's going down. Orbo clearly isn't the one I should be focused on here. Feel free to change your sig to that regardless however.


LOL. Right. Because we DON'T have a **** ton of reasons explaining our vote. Like every facet of it. This quote is so goddamn scummy it makes my skin crawl. You STILL aren't taking any stances, but you're also trying to paint us in a bad light and underhandedly pit Orbo and this slot against each other.
No, you really don't have a ton of reasons explaining your vote. You have lots of WORDS, but not many good reasons. You're been covering your ears every time I try to explain myself in the hopes Orbo just sheeps you.


I will not unvote. And you will die.
That's exactly the kind of attitude I'd expect from someone who can win no matter who dies as long as it isn't them. Precisely the reason I was willing to be reluctant in my voting until info arose. You were just ready to jump on me since you were already done buddying Orbo during the last day.
 

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Nothing about your play at any point since this Day has started showed you doing anything other than saying a lot of safe fluffy **** and taking a lot of safe, fluffy stances. Your concern has been finding the path of least resistance, not finding out what is what.

And that is why this vote is not coming off. You are scum.

Care to point me to the part of that whiny, vomitspew of AtE and *****ing actually has, y'know, points in it?

Because as far as I can see, this is the game: You say stupid and scummy ****, GLife and I call it out, you reply with stupid scummy ****, we dismantle it because it is stupid and scummy, and then you just handwave it with a bunch of whinging poor-me bull**** to transition out of the argument you are losing and then give you a chance to say new stupid, scummy ****. All the while slowly threatening to return fire -- not out of any kind of actual scumhunting, but simply growing closer to the action as it becomes more obvious that we're not impressed by your rebuttals.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Oh, I think I found it. And whoaboi is it a doozy.


JDitz said:
Xonar said:
For the record, I don't think Orboknown is smart enough to no kill N5 and N6 just to remove any and all scum suspicion. That leaves Jupiter.
"That leaves Jupiter". I'm glad you're a strong enough player to go "aww ****" at that, panic, and try and turn it against me instead. But that's a totally rediculous reach.

"Xonar must be lying mhmmm, better cover it up with head shaking .gifs and hope our Orbo buddying from yesterday is strong enough to cover it"
LOL. Are you ****ing serious. No, you're right. We're absolutely PANICKING and TERRIFIED by the might of the dead antitown guy. Because that is absolutely a trustworthy opinion.

This many days and THAT'S the best you can ****ing come up with? Puh-lease. Scrumble harder, you little peon.

Here, I'll break it down into loud allcaps caveman talk, because apparently that's the only way to penetrade your Fort Knox-like skull:

XONAR. SLIPPED. THAT. THERE. WAS. NO. KILL. ON. NIGHT. ****ING. SIX. YOU. ******.

I never doubted that he had a BP, since BP on an indy makes perfect sense. I doubted that it'd been popped. And, lo and behold, after a long and frustrating Day of insisting he is super seriously town and his BP was super seriously shot, XONAR. SLIPS. THAT. THERE. WAS. NO. KILL. ON. NIGHT. SIX.

The fact that you've tried to turn this DAMN GOOD point around into "herp derp derka dur u paniqd cuz zoner is supr jean e us lololol" is ****ing hysterical. Yeah. No, you're right. Townies always follow the reads of dead confirmed bad guys. It totally had nothing to do with the fact that HE ****ING SLIPPED THAT THERE WERE ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPTS ON HIS LIFE AT ANY POINT, INCLUDING THE ONE HE'D BEEN USING AS ARGUMENT FODDER, FOR ****'S SAKES.

The bit about "not even being concerned" about Orbo is pitiful as well. Yeah, I'm not ****ing concerned. BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM. WE HAVE YOU ON NIGHT ACTIONS THANKS TO XONAR'S SLIP. THAT POE ALONE LITERALLY ALMOST GUARANTEES THAT YOU ARE SCUM. DON'T LIKE IT? I DON'T ****ING CARE.

In addition to that, we've had PLENTY of horrendous play from you toDay to see. How many times did Glyph catch you doubling back and generally being a pedantic idiot even on minor things the second the faucet was turned on? Because you're noobscum, and you don't know what to ****ing say, so you just attack every post that comes your way on whatever desperate, horrible bull **** you can spin up, even when it blatantly contradicts **** you've already said. Consistency being the one thing bad and stupid town is capable of, and yet you are not.

The only person that's strawmanning here is you. Maybe you should stick to five letter words and under, like everybody else on DGames that has a ****ing boner for using that word you clearly have no grasp of the definition.

No you're right though, we're scum because we don't take our vote off of someone with all that wonderful **** going for them.

You are a dolt. Now shut up and die.
 

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Oh, and I didn't even talk about all the nonsense he pulled AFTER I died in regards to my Xonar scum feelings. That was just my instincts BEFORE things went south.
 

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Votecount 8.1

Jupiter's Biceps: Jdietz43
Jdietz43: Jupiter's Biceps
Orbo:

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Jdietz43 (1): Jupiter's Biceps
Jupiter's Biceps (1): Jdietz43

Not voting: Orboknown

Deadline is Thursday, April 12th at 11:59 PM EST!

Related but interesting note: This is only my 13th post in a game I'm supposed to be co-moding


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Oh ok I get it now. Night 6 was the night he would have been shot. That makes your slip thing waaaay less suck. It's hard to keep track of all these days. It does not however: clear you. He makes the valid point that you'd be a better candidate to have thought to keep your shot secret rather than firing away.

I've got to keep my vote on you: I don't think you're ever going to get it through your mind that I could ever be town. And as such: my only hope is that you're scum, Orbo isn't, and he votes with me instead of against me.
 

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The bit about "not even being concerned" about Orbo is pitiful as well. Yeah, I'm not ****ing concerned. BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM. WE HAVE YOU ON NIGHT ACTIONS THANKS TO XONAR'S SLIP. THAT POE ALONE LITERALLY ALMOST GUARANTEES THAT YOU ARE SCUM. DON'T LIKE IT? I DON'T ****ING CARE.
You have NIGHT ACTIONS on me? I'd love to hear this considering I have no active actions of any sort.
 

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lmfao, don't even try that **** on me.

Night actions. As in, Xonar was insisting that he got his BP popped. And yet, he slipped that (say it with me!) THERE. WAS. NO. KILL. ON. NIGHT. SIX.

What are you not getting? Are you somehow that stupid that you just plain don't understand the implications of this? N6 is the night that Xonar claimed to've had his BP popped. He slipped that there was no kill (as in, Orboscum would've had to No Kill, meaning XONAR DIDN'T GET SHOT) on NIGHT. SIX.

Period.
 

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Nothing about your play at any point since this Day has started showed you doing anything other than saying a lot of safe fluffy **** and taking a lot of safe, fluffy stances.
You know... except for all the other stuff I've said in regards to your accusations against me?

If you're talking about pre-accusation material then yes, but you're to blame for that since I thought you were wanting lack of convo until Orbo arrived since you straight up told me you were keeping your opinions to yourself. I thought you were with me and this is what was best.

I think I'll refrain from answering that until I talk to GLife and probably until Orbo posts too (seriously it's Good Friday where is this kneegrow), but I do have an answer for you.
Clearly that wasn't the case.
 

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lmfao, don't even try that **** on me.

Night actions. As in, Xonar was insisting that he got his BP popped. And yet, he slipped that (say it with me!) THERE. WAS. NO. KILL. ON. NIGHT. SIX.

What are you not getting? Are you somehow that stupid that you just plain don't understand the implications of this? N6 is the night that Xonar claimed to've had his BP popped. He slipped that there was no kill (as in, Orboscum would've had to No Kill, meaning XONAR DIDN'T GET SHOT) on NIGHT. SIX.

Period.
So yeah. It's not a reach. It's ****ing solid, and it pointed right the **** at you.

And so we looked at you, and we hated everything we saw, and so we voted you. The end.
No I get that now. I didn't before but I do now. The problem here is that the fact no night kills were attempted N5 and N6 doesn't clear you or Orbo. You can easily no kill, something Xonar thinks you're much more capable of doing than Orbo. I know I didn't actively shoot anyone, therefore it's the only solution left.
 

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The alternative being that mafia doesn't have a night kill role left and John vig reflection, something you HATED me bringing up.

The problem we have now is if you're town there's no way I could ever convince you that I'm town too. Therefore the best course of action I've got is to assume you're scum for pushing me and that Orbo will be town too and see that. (Yes, I STILL have doubts about who is who. Because I'll always have doubts. Hate me for it)
 

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No, it isn't. It's just the convenient one for you to argue, because Glyph and I are trying to get you lynched. Because you're scum. Again, path of least resistance.

Clearly that wasn't the case.
Pathetic.

Yes it was. I didn't answer it because I had no desire to do YOUR ****ing scumhunting FOR you when YOU are the one PoE points to like a ****ing lightning rod.

The answer I have is that I think Ryker was probably Nikki, since no one claimed Nikki despite her being a good guy. So there's that. And, really, what answer were you expecting? Either it is a scum role or it isn't. How would asking that question and any answer we could give have helped you hunt scum? How was it anything other than an incredibly leading question that was clearly trying to get Glyph or myself to think it is the case? "Hey guys do you think maybe it could be a safeclaim maybe?" Once again, avoiding scumhunting, waiting for the path of least resistance to open up and jumping on it.

Ninja'd, also, this is to 2971
 

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The alternative being that mafia doesn't have a night kill role left and John vig reflection, something you HATED me bringing up.
Jesus christ, man. You're like a ****ing pinball the way you keep bouncing your stances all over the damn place.

Hey guys this is the first thing that comes to mind about john's kill he shot me and it bounced off and hit himself wow!

"That's stupid"

OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A JOKE OBVIOUSLY I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS WHAT THE OBVIOUS SITUATION IS

"No you weren't, it's the first thing you ****ing said and you speculated about it heavily and placed zero emphasis on the "read reason"."

IT WAS A JOKE U JUS DON GET MI BRAYN. I THINK FUNNY THINGS FIRST AND SAY THEM.

...

OH BUT YOU DIDN'T LIKE ME BRINGING THAT UP, IT WAS TOTALLY A REASONABLE POINT AND YOU'RE SCUMMY FOR NOT LIKING IT
 

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Xonar confirming he didn't get alignments happened. And the game STILL GOING happened. And Orbo being town happened. And US being town happened. And you being scummy happened.
Quote when Xonar confirmed he didn't get alignments. I can't find it. And hell to the no are you or Orbo confirmed town.


Flavor analysis? Really? In a game where the roles have been what they have been.

Also, what makes you so confident Jumbo is in this game?
I think you can answer that one lol:
WELL BECAUSE FLAVOR AND OTHER **** ARE THE ONLY THINGS I AM CAPABLE OF PROCESSING HE'S OBVIOUSLY SCUM BECAUSE DR. PARK WAS A PRO-GREEN GUY THAT OPPOSED AND HATED THE GIGABOTS AND STOLE COMMANDER STRYKER'S JOB


Hey do you like my JD impression?
What makes you think he isn't?
 

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The problem we have now is if you're town there's no way I could ever convince you that I'm town too. Therefore the best course of action I've got is to assume you're scum for pushing me and that Orbo will be town too and see that. (Yes, I STILL have doubts about who is who. Because I'll always have doubts. Hate me for it)
NO IT ****ING ISN'T.

This is just you being lazy and terrible scum. The best play is to ****ing find scum and then try to convince the townie of the other one's guilt. Which is WHAT GLYPH AND I ARE DOING.

You are admitting, flat the **** out, that you're only voting for Glyph and myself because it's your "only play". The "only thing" you can do. That is only the case for scum. It is the "only play" for SCUM to crossvote with someone that is making accusations despite conflicted reads, NOT town. Could you be more obvious?
 

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The answer I have is that I think Ryker was probably Nikki, since no one claimed Nikki despite her being a good guy. So there's that. And, really, what answer were you expecting? Either it is a scum role or it isn't. How would asking that question and any answer we could give have helped you hunt scum? How was it anything other than an incredibly leading question that was clearly trying to get Glyph or myself to think it is the case? "Hey guys do you think maybe it could be a safeclaim maybe?" Once again, avoiding scumhunting, waiting for the path of least resistance to open up and jumping on it.
Bro: RED RYU FLIPPED NIKKI. The one you pushed to kill. *kerbonk*

And yeah I was trying to open your mind up to it. It was my best opinion at the time. Then it became a less cool option because of all the nonsense you were sending my way.

I am a pinball. I know I'm always a pinball. And I'll probably never stop being a pinball. Pinball wizard.
 

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Anyways... I'm fuxxed no matter what happens at this point.

If Orbo is scum he's just laughing at us. And if you're scum you're probably going to garner Orbo's vote since I'm bad at this and I know it. It certainly doesn't help that I was working under the impression you were mislead town and trying to simply deflect you for the first half of our convo. It's not a cool hole to be in.
 

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I defer to Glyph to answer 2975, as those are his comments. Jumbo could be in the game and scum (you) are safeclaiming. Or Jumbo could have been Ryker. Personally, I don't give a flying ****. I hunt scum, not flavor ****.
 

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The point really wasn't that Jumbo is or isn't in the game: it's that Jumbo could easily be your real role if you're scum.
 

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NO IT ****ING ISN'T.

This is just you being lazy and terrible scum. The best play is to ****ing find scum and then try to convince the townie of the other one's guilt. Which is WHAT GLYPH AND I ARE DOING.

You are admitting, flat the **** out, that you're only voting for Glyph and myself because it's your "only play". The "only thing" you can do. That is only the case for scum. It is the "only play" for SCUM to crossvote with someone that is making accusations despite conflicted reads, NOT town. Could you be more obvious?
No don't you see? If Orbo is scum: he wins either way as soon as one of us vote. You refused to take my vote down to discuss, so the best I can do now if he's town is allow him to decide between us in this scenario. The case for why you could be scum is out there already in the rebuttals.
 

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..........and? He could also have been JTB's role, because everyone hated Jumbo and his powers could let him jan things. Or he could have been the abductor because one time he hijacked a gigabot with one of his monsters. Any character can be any role. And once again, do you make it as an accusation? No. You suggest it as a possibility, and wait for someone to run with it. You would have done it if we ran on Orbo in the exact same manner as you (and we'd have less concrete reasons to do so) without a second ****ing thought. Here you are trying to bait Orbo to do the same.

You're scum. And I'm done talking. Maybe I should give you a taste of your own medicine from that 2-man mafia ****. That would be a poetic way to end your grimy existence.

Because you're looking for the path of least resistance.... again.
 

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Somehow it's not sinking that if you actually had managed to do some kind of gangbusters protown ****, I would have given it a chance, reread a little more carefully. But almost every. Single. Post. You have made. REEKS of noobscum. You don't know what to do and so you wait for someone to draw a line for you to fall in against.
 

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Rewrite that last phrase with nootown instead of noobscum and then you'd understand what was going on.



Once again. Jumbo would explain who you are if you're able to hand things out. I personally am going through the options in an attempt to understand this. Orbo could well be Jumbo as well: but he hasn't actively proven his role in any way, therefore he could be mafia anything other than his claim. For you: you'd have to have the power to give something out as mafia: therefore Jumbo makes the most sense. Get it now?

And I don't know what else I could do/could have done to pull out "some kind of gangbusters protown ****". I tried to help what I thought you were doing at the beginning of the day as my town read. Gave questions to my scum read. Defended myself when you attacked me wrongly. Gave opinions on how you could be scum if that's what was happening. Kept communication open in an attempt to sort this out. Whatever I felt could help. I would have been discussing Orbo too: but there's nothing to discuss since he hasn't shown up nor contributed in this game in any meaningful way.

I'm not looking for the path of least resistance: I'm looking for the path of correctness. So far: it's been hard to figure out. Part of me just wants to shift my vote to Orbo so if you're scum you can just vote and win and we can be done. I don't think Orbo is coming any time soon.
 

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For you: you'd have to have the power to give something out as mafia: therefore Jumbo makes the most sense. Get it now?
Other than this part, I mean. I still can't accept this. Any flavor can be any role, in any game. Ever. Learn this early. Learn it well.

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. I hate almost everything you're doing, and the way you write things off with these ****ing excuses like "yeah I'm a pinball every stance I take always bounces all over the place", "I say funny things instead of things that make sense deal with it", gughgh. I hate it. But it's the same kind of thing Nich does when he says it's okay for him to tunnel people relentlessly for no reason and somehow ends up being town.


**** me. I'm talking to G Life. I might have an idea. God damn it.
 

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Confused as balls mostly. I feel like I'm screwing this up.

I wanted to pressure Orbo because he's been the most non-factor in all this, a sleeper. You aren't clear but you've been scumhunting both right and wrong whereas Orbo has just taken orders. I couldn't think of anything he had taken a stance on and want him to say something, anything. I went into today with that idea, and it seemed at the time what you wanted too. But instead you went on me. At first I thought this was just misguided, and then I started to think "What if Jupiter is scum and knows he can get Orbo to vote me just by shouting a lot?". So I started to shout back on the off chance this was helping. Right now I have to decide whether this is you going at me because you hate my stupid guts and think I'm scum for saying silly things (like admitting at one point that my brain actually entertained the possibility of a John vig reflect), or whether you're preening to a town Orbo for a mislynch.

So for that reason (actually pausing at this point) I'm leaning that you're really just not liking me in earnest and Orbo is a very lazy scum. But he gets a win with either of our votes up and until this very moment I didn't think I could talk you down so I've been playing to the off chance that the roles are reversed and Orbo is the town looking in at our fight.
 

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Unvote

I'm fully aware you hate me lol. You've made that pretty clear.
But I really needed something to happen other than just shouting at me so I could make a choice I could get behind. Otherwise it was going to be "welp..."
 
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