Get Ice to Genesis II - Canceled, general PAL vs. NTSC discussion going on now

[Strong Badam]

Who is Ice?
Ice is a very good Marth/Sheik player from Germany. As far as European Melee goes, he is right up there with Armada and Amsah, placing 3rd place at BEAST. His Marth is very unique and interesting in my opinion.

It would be fair if people donated since Ice definitely deserved a good player fund =)

Ice really can't afford this himself anymore. As a community it's nice to help out those who cant like it's been done in the past with Armada, Aniolas and Amsah, maybe its time to show a new European face (he did come 3rd at Beast).

So the donated money will go towards his flight, for some odd reason whatever goes haywire I'll refund everyone to donated

I realy care

the thing was that i planed to afford the whole trip alone like 7 months ago
but thene i needed to pay a lot of money to diferent things so i realised that the dream with genesis came to an end and i akcept it

but now where it seems that their is still hope , the fire is returning

and its ok if people dont want to pay for me cause they think i suck or dont deserve it or their are better players to fund or whatever

but at least giving the whole thing a try cant be wrong

And he's being really honest about it, this is how it is.. if you want to help please do but don't go bashing about it

Ice is a really great guy so it´s really fun to talk/play with him for sure =).

He also has the motivation to be the best in a impressive way. I really wanna see Ice compete against the best players in USA cause he´s a good friend and he has a really fun style to watch (and he plays Marth/Sheik)

unfortunately I can´t donate any money (Pound 5) but I really hope you can make it man =)

If you'd like to see some videos, here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjuGiixvQpY&t=10m46s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8jm4DMelqc

I needed to change my pants after those vids, where can I donate?

PLEASE donate to help Ice get to this! He's a very good Marth/Sheik from Germany who has yet to make his debut here in America and Genesis 2 would be an excellent tournament to do so at. You'd be guaranteed to get some great Marth videos. If you're willing to help, follow this link:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305289

 

[OverLord]

I'll def try to help.

 

[mers]

I think having Ice over here would be amazing. He's so good, plus both the characters he plays are buffed in NTSC.

 

[strawhats]

I hear he's called the european m2k. I so wish Javi, Tuga(Twins are mad lazy about getting that Visa), Dark and Calle W could go as well(maybe Apex 2)...making what is an already stacked house of International talent even more stacked.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Is this the only thread for this so far? You should probably repost this in a more popular forum if you haven't already.

But yeah, I'll donate. I'd love to see him compete. And I'm not even going to genesis 2.

 

[Jonas]

As long as he doesn't run into any Kirbys

But yeah having Ice at GII would be amazing
Post this in the general Melee board maybe?

 

[CharonxD]

Please post this also in other forums(dunno if you done it already lulz) so even more will see this. Def. hope the 700$ Goal will be reached^-^.

 

[Dart!]

i heard he lost to a kirby. proof?

 

[Jonas]

Search for Ice vs Hack on Youtube (he ends up beating him with Fox though).
To be fair, Hack is a f***ing beast and there is no shame in losing to a Kirby that good, especially since Kirby's almost never used competitively. Very few players have any tournament experience against Kirby at all.

 

[DJMirror]

Oh

Ice goes in during a crew battle against USA

USA counters with Axe's Pika or Taj's M2


Ice is not very effective

 

[DJMirror]

I'm not insulting the guy, just thought this could happen

 

[OverLord]

I don't know, guess he would go Sheik in NTSC against Pika and Mew2.


Anyway, Hack is good but I don't think Ice played that good in that set. He never punished Hack's rolls, and I really don't get why.. pressure..? I'll ask him xD

 

[Dart!]

wow...that set gave me a headache, i can see why everyone likes Ice but good god he just kept jumping. -_-

 

[Niko45]

Marth is SO much worse in NTSC. I'm curious to see how Ice would do.

 

[Beat!]

Worse?

Because of Sheik and Fox, or what?

Otherwise I dunno what you mean.

 

[Niko45]

Yea sheik and fox

 

[Beat!]

Well, now that I think about it, I suppose Sheik's Dthrow and Fox's general imbaness kinda outweigh the spike Marth gets.

 

[Dart!]

I wish i could play pal, i'm curious to see how i would do vs sheik personally.

 

[Beat!]

She still has a pretty decent tech chase out of grabs.

The MU's still kind of annoying, although it's probably like heaven compared to NTSC.

 

[stelzig]

The only thing I really miss about marths NTSC Dair is the Dair from edgegogs. I often don't know what I could replace that with... (too much influence from watching NTSC videos i guess )

Spiking with Dair is so satisfying in general though so I do love playing NTSC :D

 

[Tee ay eye]

I wish i could play pal, i'm curious to see how i would do vs sheik personally.

tight tonight

 

[Beat!]

The only thing I really miss about marths NTSC Dair is the Dair from edgegogs. I often don't know what I could replace that with... (too much influence from watching NTSC videos i guess )

Spiking with Dair is so satisfying in general though so I do love playing NTSC :D

Sometimes I finish my combos with Dair just because it looks and feels awesome.

Then my opponent meteor cancels and I die a bit inside.

 

[stelzig]

^I do too, lol. But it just isn't the same as when you actually Dair in NTSC. It's like ganons Fair in NTSC. So satisfying :D

(at times it is also fine in PAL even if you don't kill as you can still keep the edgeguard going... Sometimes... )

 

[Tee ay eye]

marth's dair is probably my favorite move in the game

Spoiler

if it wasn't obvious when you watched my combo video

 

[-Ice-]

marth's dair is probably my favorite move in the game

Spoiler

if it wasn't obvious when you watched my combo video

not in the game for me but for marth yeah :D

 

[OverLord]

The only thing I really miss about marths NTSC Dair is the Dair from edgegogs. I often don't know what I could replace that with... (too much influence from watching NTSC videos i guess )

Spiking with Dair is so satisfying in general though so I do love playing NTSC :D

I usually do it anyway, most of the time it's flashy and the opponent does not meteor-cancel, and even if he does, it gets him in a bad position, ready to be edgeguarded again.

I wish i could play pal, i'm curious to see how i would do vs sheik personally.

I played against some Sheik players at RoM3, and I personally didn't find the match-up that worse in NTSC. You have to avoid getting grabbed in all versions, and they know what to do in both of them, so the follow-ups change, but not the outcomes.

Also, having a spike did give me a psychological boost. TheLake knows.

 

[Dart!]

I usually do it anyway, most of the time it's flashy and the opponent does not meteor-cancel, and even if he does, it gets him in a bad position, ready to be edgeguarded again.



I played against some Sheik players at RoM3, and I personally didn't find the match-up that worse in NTSC. You have to avoid getting grabbed in all versions, and they know what to do in both of them, so the follow-ups change, but not the outcomes.

Also, having a spike did give me a psychological boost. TheLake knows.

personally, knowing they don't get guaranteed fair if i get grabbed allows me to stress less about being grabbed. which opens more room for me to breathe mentally

 

[Niko45]

Not only the fair but the up smash KO trap near the edge, and no platform tech chases is enormous. Plus I don't think if you have full room to tech away from sheik that she can follow up in time, and if she can, she has to guess. Oh, and dthrow to up air KOs. Those are honestly worse than dthrow fairs.

 

[Dart!]

seriously, sheik loses nearly all of her easy street **** and actually has to work for a win. Sounds free to me.

 

[stelzig]

Not only the fair but the up smash KO trap near the edge, and no platform tech chases is enormous. Plus I don't think if you have full room to tech away from sheik that she can follow up in time, and if she can, she has to guess. Oh, and dthrow to up air KOs. Those are honestly worse than dthrow fairs.

Even if dthrow was the same in PAL dthrow Uair KOs wouldn't really exist because Uair is so weak in PAL and is more used as yet another combo into Fair

 

[OverLord]

I actually felt more comfortable in NTSC 'cause Sheik players over there tend to play way more grab-happy, so they get predictable.. A PAL Sheik player is way more scary in my mind..

 

[Niko45]

Oh dip, I didn't even realize her up air was weaker in PAL.

Honestly tho I would never give up NTSC dair just for some easier matchups. :D

 

[Beat!]

Similarly, I could accept some tougher matchups if it gave me NTSC Dair :C

Spoiler

Ok, probably not, but I'd REALLY like to have NTSC Dair.

 

[Strong Badam]

Compared to Fox & Sheik's changes, Falco got off easy lol

 

[OverLord]

Compared to Fox & Sheik's changes, Falco got off easy lol

Yep, that's what I often say, but Falco players tend to be really whiny about their Dair.


Anyway I'd say perfect version of the game IMO would be:

- Sheik: PAL D-Throw, NTSC Uair.
- NTSC Link
- NTSC Ganon
- NTSC Marth
- Fox: NTSC Up-B, PAL U-Smash
- PAL Falco
- NTSC Samus
- NTSC Falcon (Gentleman would take a bit of tech skill lol)

The others I think are almost the same, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[huMps]

Whats up with the PAL Link?

 

[OverLord]

UpB's knockback (when grounded) sends you upper than in NTSC. And some stuff with hookshot maybe.

 

[Beat!]

Yeah, up-B doesn't semi-spike in PAL.

 

[Dart!]

NTSC samus vs PAL version???

 

[Beat!]

Extender.

Only difference, I think.