I'm not saying that square and nintendo or sakurai are "against us" or that they're bad people but what I am saying is that while I can acknowledge that ultimate is a great game that has pleased alot of people (myself included) I can't just blindly like everything that comes to the game.
Unfortunately the only way that could happen is if geno was here. He's all I really wanted for the next smash after 4. I still appreciate the fact that the game gets new content, but I can't say I'm happy with what was chosen. I can't lie to myself and try to care or say that I'm fine with how Smash ultimate ended just because it's content.
If your happy with how Smash ended then that is completely fine. But I don't feel the same way.
Happy is subjective, accepting and content is another thing entirely.
I may just be different or was raised different, but other people's happiness is something that I can get behind and it gets me happy. It's probably not healthy to not value my own happiness over others in the long run, but it works for now and I'll worry about that later.
The way I see it is that Nintendo is still in the process of figuring out how marketable SMRPG is. The last time it was given any treatment on social media really was in 2018. It received a lot of positive feedback but it's merely only 2021 now: if they decided that the ballot votes in 2015 and Sakurai's statement in 2016 combined with their tweet in 2018 was enough to warrant a revival or second dive into the series, games don't magically appear out of thin air. It's been just over a year since Origami King, which got only little praise for the small things it did to be more like previous games and a lot of negative feedback for what didn't change. Square is working on FF7R, Origins, FF16 and Forsaken while Nintendo is just finally getting Bayo 3 out and has a new Kirby game that FINALLY gives us a true 3D platform for the franchise while still trying to fix Prime 4.
Sakurai was pressured into making sure Steve got in, had to (and wanted to) shill for Dragon Quest, was forced into Byleth, plugged holes with Min-Min, Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra, and worked with Disney to get Sora in because we the Smash community as a whole asked for the impossible and he felt like he had to make sure he got it done. He owed a Tekken character to Bamco, snuck in Joker, somehow got Banjo & Kazooie in the game, shrunk down Ridley, let the King of the Kremlings rock out, got Castlevania's dope music into the game, and brought back all our most beloved Smash veterans.
What I'm trying to say is, and I know this is gonna hurt, but all of these things are
just a bigger deal than Geno and SMRPG overall.
Look at all these things and tell me how we can possibly compare to them at this point. Hell, our active thread got locked and now we are a shell of our former selves here. I've had Geno fans trash me online because I never gave up on him, trying to FORCE me to think the same pessimistic way they do. Not only did we just not compare to these things in our prime, but we certainly don't add up to much now.
All this means is that we need to band back together and push as hard or harder than we already did before and wait for results while we do.
You say that ignoring the fact that I said Geno being in actually wouldn't actually change much
I was never speaking towards you, nor did I read your post, I was talking to someone else. But, while we are here...
If you think that Ultimate has done so poorly that even Geno getting in couldn't fix it and you are a Geno/SMRPG fan, feel free to think that.
Pretty much everyone else on the planet disagrees though, and I encourage you to take a step outside your current mindset and try a more optimistic one.
Idk, when the bad massively outweighs the good like I mentioned before with all those issues, its kind of impossible. Especially when people dunked on others for wanting content
I never read nor responded to you post, so I'm not sure what issues you are talking about.
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Gonna be honest, seems like you are mostly just kinda venting here...but, most of your problems seem to be with the Smash community and what being deep into it everyday does to you rather than Ultimate itself. Everything you mentioned in that first paragraph is a community problem and actually has NOTHING to do with Smash as far as the game itself goes. If you let stuff like sexual allegations (remember that many of them weren't involving minors and that for as many were 'confirmed' many were simply left at allegations and some were outright lies or manipulation of the truth, like Nairo), bad memes and hating on each other's character wishes ruin how you feel about the game itself, that means you are unable to separate the community from the game, which is a 'you problem' and you have to do something about that yourself.
Smash is just Smash, and you can play it and love it without ever talking to someone online about it.
I don't agree about this point either. Smash Ult had a chance to expand on its story like some trailers implied but decided not as well.
Except it didn't. The DLC was agreed upon what it would provide, and none of it was WoL content. Honestly, story wise and cutscene wise, they had neither the manpower nor the budget to accomplish that. May I remind you that the story mode being like this is most likely due to the game being rushed to meet the 2018 quota, so if you want to point fingers there you can point fingers at Kimishima for not allowing a delay for Smash and it being basically done by the time Furakawa took office so it made no sense to delay it.
I see you also have qualms about the DLC choices, but your complaints make no sense. They are going to pick what is popular and marketable, and if you look it's mostly platformers and RPG characters that people are asking for. This is because RPGs are built for you to bond with the characters in the story and platformers are meant to have characters that do this to an extent but they have this weird strength that expands over time due to bonds from younger years. There are exceptions like Waluigi and Phoenix Wright or an FPS character, but most of them fit the above description. Your criteria seems off-base and worried about things outside of just 'characters people want' which to me is just the wrong mindset to have.
It's a product of being sold with a price. Wdym "Grateful". Smash fans always use this line as if DLC is a charity when it ain't. Its still a product that want our hard-earned cash. If the product isn't up to par then we have the right to complain about it. The costume didn't even come with a head like others did so honesty it was half done.
Yeah yeah, I've been on both sides of the argument in the past. I get it, really I do, especially as someone who is very much against common predatory practices by video game companies as of late. However, as I mentioned in my other reply Stitchey, there comes a time when you have to acknowledge how popular the thing you love really is and accept your position.
Geno is from SMRPG, a dead franchise that never got a true sequel as SMRPG2 turned into Paper Mario. It's 25 years old and has been locked up in this weird vault that is co-owned by Nintendo and Square. It has no marketable value outside of upset Paper Mario fans and a smaller group of people like us who are small in number in comparison to what everyone else is asking for and, depending on what you choose to believe, sending mixed singles about what we want. Geno's last appearance was a minor cameo in a Mario & Luigi game that got removed in the remake. Our own fan base keeps losing their collective minds every Smash game he misses and keeps fracturing itself, tearing itself apart, and isolating itself from other similar support groups whether we make an effort to do so or not.
Now, you tell me: is it a miracle we got any recognition at all, or not? Because to me, I thought Nintendo didn't care at all until I saw that Mii Costume in 2015. I was in tears shouting 'They remember him! They HEARD us, they remember him!' and all I saw here were people pissed off saying they wouldn't buy the skin because he wasn't playable, which seemingly has echoed true yet again this time around.
Also, they are reselling old assets. Not sure what you were expecting here, because I wasn't expecting any touch ups at all.
I've been insulted around here by being told I'm out of touch with reality simply because I have always believed Geno's chances to be good, which is frankly just reality because we have pushed him that far over the decades. I think Geno fans thinking that Geno or SMRPG and their want for it competing with some of these big names and franchises are the ones that are delusional. No one but US brought him here: no marketing, no new games nothing. Geno is a nobody and his game is lost to time without us, so thinking what we want is of the same caliber it ridiculous.
We have to fight for what we want and never stop to make it real. Just look at how Ridley, K. Rool, Simon and B&K got in. To some extent you can give Sora fans the credit for pushing Sora into Smash because even thought it's a big franchise it was deemed impossible but it was made possible because he was the most requested.
I'm not giving up on Geno but there is so long of this "hype train" one can take.
Good, don't give up. You have to take it what comes with being a vocal Geno fan up until we make it reality.
Ridley fans were mocked. K. Rool fans were mocked. Castlevania fans were mocked. Joker fans were mocked. DQ fans were mocked. Banjo fans were mocked. Steve fans were mocked. Sora fans were mocked. It didn't stop them, and look where they sit now.
We need to keep this up too. I think if we do, we are going to see results sooner than we might expect, though not as soon as we would like.
