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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Klimax

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okay. just wondering what your guy's stances were on the matter. I personally wouldn't mind an echo/semi if an original wasn't possible, but it seems like its original moveset or BUST for most of us XD
An echo/semi clone wouldn't make any sense since there's so much possibilities with Geno's moveset. But hey, if I had to choose between this or not having him in the game at all, i would take it.

For me, Geno is in a do or die situation, just like Isaac. There's just two options, the first one being playable characters, the second being absent from the game at all. But i'm pretty confident the two will be playable !
 

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okay. just wondering what your guy's stances were on the matter. I personally wouldn't mind an echo/semi if an original wasn't possible, but it seems like its original moveset or BUST for most of us XD
That could be a bad thing, or a very, very good thing. Generally, I'm inclined to think the latter. Being able to be an echo certainly helps your chances, but the tradeoff can be disappointing. I'm sure there were many Dark Samus supporters who were hoping for more. And Dixie supporters definitely are. At least we don't have to worry about that. We just worry about complete disconformation.

Much better, right?

Incidentally, I've been skimming through the entirety of the thread, just to get a picture of how far we've come. It's been a wild couple of months--the thread went almost double its length in the last month and a half alone.

We've talked about leaks (most of which are now completely disproven), Music, Mallow's role in Smash (this comes up a lot, lol) and a ton of conspiracies, which have only gotten more believeable with time. Some excellent videos have been posted, along with some fantastic fan art. Funnily enough, moveset is one of the least talked about topics. Go figure!

The mood rarely dips below extremely (Though sometimes cautiously) optimistic and positive, and I never saw a hint of toxicity. This is an absolutely incredible sub-community, and it's awesome to get to experience the fun and terrifying excitement of this gen's Smash speculation with you all! I can't wait to share in the biggest moment yet to come...Geno's confirmation!

We should see about setting up some online matches, and maybe a tourney, once the game releases. Would love to throw down with you guys!

Side note, I happened to notice this little nugget on the way, about 50 or so pages back. EarlTamm EarlTamm , you called this, my man. A long time ago:

Frankly, I expect all of the characters to be revealed before the release.
I hope you placed a big bet on that, lol.
 

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jeez, the hype is real. regardless of just the post count, theres a lot of lurkers here probably, me being one of them. Im so hungry for more geno content lol
 

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Just thinking. Does anyone think Smashdown may be hinting at the number if characters? Since chosen are eliminated as time goes on it would have to be a number divisible by 2, 3, and 4. That way noone ever gets left out. Im guessing 72 unique characters and 12 echoes for a total of 84 characters. Im sure Geno is one if the unique characters. ... Do you think Im too optimistic, or does this seem logical?
 

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Just thinking. Does anyone think Smashdown may be hinting at the number if characters? Since chosen are eliminated as time goes on it would have to be a number divisible by 2, 3, and 4. That way noone ever gets left out. Im guessing 72 unique characters and 12 echoes for a total of 84 characters. Im sure Geno is one if the unique characters. ... Do you think Im too optimistic, or does this seem logical?
The only issue with relying on Smashdown for the total number is that the second there is a DLC character it breaks the division by 12.
 

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has the topic of geno becoming an echo of mega man ever come up in this thread? sorry if it has, but I wanted all of your opinions.
also characters getting echos that are not from their respective franchise (like in this example). id be fine with those, so long as an echo stays mostly true to their theme.
First off a robot and a puppet are literally nothing alike. They would have no moves in common whatsoever, and echoes are almost certainly only going to happen for characters that are from the same series. I get that you’re just trying to contribute, but this is a garbage suggestion lol
 

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Geno might borrow move skeletons from other characters, but there's literally nobody on the roster he could be an Echo of.
This. Like, I could totally see Sakurai re-using some assets from Mii Gunner + the Geno costume, at least as a base, and then build onto that to create a complete, working, unique character. Seems like a waste to not use existing resources, really, since they're already there anyway.
 
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A few assets are definitely getting reused. K Rool's Bair is copy/paste Bowser's Bair...but with 70+ characters, that's to be expected.

Question is, what assets (if any) will Geno borrow?
 

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Honestly, I see the current big 3 or 4 making it into the game (Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Skull Kid (Not really as popular but has actual hints towards his inclusion)). We have so few highly demanded characters left (I don't count the deconfirmed AT's to be that high on this list, they clearly aren't), I really can't see Sakurai missing these characters again after giving us Ridley and K. Rool, a straight up response to popular demand, and most of these characters are right behind them (and even ahead of them) on polls. I know Rayman and Banjo are up there too, but I can more see them being 3rd party DLC that literally everyone would buy, with Geno being an exception due to his obscurity but odd popularity.

Most people nearly have everything they could ever want in a smash game. If this trend continues, we may likely get these characters in to officially shut us up lol (That, and the fact that Sakurai actually wants Geno and finally has a partnership with Square after Cloud).

I just have a personal feeling that Character Banner is supposed to be the mother of all banners for a reason, and characters like these just don't miss that opportunity, now especially after K. Rool.

Edit: I just think this is important to mention since characters like Geno and Isaac may never get this opportunity again. This IS the Smash game we know that is putting in characters purely because we as fans like them. These characters often lead polls nearly every single time, behind the characters ALREADY in Ultimate! IF the trend continues, we may actually see probably the most satisfying fighting roster in gaming history (though it probably already is by a long shot lol).
 
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That could be a bad thing, or a very, very good thing. Generally, I'm inclined to think the latter. Being able to be an echo certainly helps your chances, but the tradeoff can be disappointing. I'm sure there were many Dark Samus supporters who were hoping for more. And Dixie supporters definitely are. At least we don't have to worry about that. We just worry about complete disconformation.

Much better, right?

Incidentally, I've been skimming through the entirety of the thread, just to get a picture of how far we've come. It's been a wild couple of months--the thread went almost double its length in the last month and a half alone.

We've talked about leaks (most of which are now completely disproven), Music, Mallow's role in Smash (this comes up a lot, lol) and a ton of conspiracies, which have only gotten more believeable with time. Some excellent videos have been posted, along with some fantastic fan art. Funnily enough, moveset is one of the least talked about topics. Go figure!

The mood rarely dips below extremely (Though sometimes cautiously) optimistic and positive, and I never saw a hint of toxicity. This is an absolutely incredible sub-community, and it's awesome to get to experience the fun and terrifying excitement of this gen's Smash speculation with you all! I can't wait to share in the biggest moment yet to come...Geno's confirmation!

We should see about setting up some online matches, and maybe a tourney, once the game releases. Would love to throw down with you guys!

Side note, I happened to notice this little nugget on the way, about 50 or so pages back. EarlTamm EarlTamm , you called this, my man. A long time ago:



I hope you placed a big bet on that, lol.
Aww kind words and yes i love the idea of an online tourney between us all. we would all be playing geno i bet hahah.


For once I'm really really sure about a smash character. I try to not get too hyped and remember nothing is concreate but i just cant help it. Having geno will be incredible to me because not only is he one of my favourite characters but he represents my favourite game ever made. Such a thing would mean so much for me and this is the first time i have ever heavily supported a smash character. Ever other time has been like "well yeah it would be cool but i wouldn't be upset about it if they weren't in" but geno is different. I won't hate Sakurai or be angry if he doesn't make it. There is still much to appreciate about this game and i know we are all very smart and kind so we aren't the kind of community to cause a backlash or anything negative if he weren't to get in. We would all just cry together. I just wanted to say in these last few months that no matter what happens we know Geno will be remembered.
<3
 

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Aww kind words and yes i love the idea of an online tourney between us all. we would all be playing geno i bet hahah.


For once I'm really really sure about a smash character. I try to not get too hyped and remember nothing is concreate but i just cant help it. Having geno will be incredible to me because not only is he one of my favourite characters but he represents my favourite game ever made. Such a thing would mean so much for me and this is the first time i have ever heavily supported a smash character. Ever other time has been like "well yeah it would be cool but i wouldn't be upset about it if they weren't in" but geno is different. I won't hate Sakurai or be angry if he doesn't make it. There is still much to appreciate about this game and i know we are all very smart and kind so we aren't the kind of community to cause a backlash or anything negative if he weren't to get in. We would all just cry together. I just wanted to say in these last few months that no matter what happens we know Geno will be remembered.
<3
This. Of course it's easy to get upset about your most wanted character not getting in, but as long as we enjoy the speculation and anticipation for it along the way, it's a good thing. And if all of that speculation pays off....well:)
 

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As someone already mentioned - Geno could very well be based off of the Mii Gunner and from there worked on to be full unique character which i think that is what he is going to be. An Echo or Semi Clone of a current character i don't see it happening. When you guys think the next direct will happen?
 

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As someone already mentioned - Geno could very well be based off of the Mii Gunner and from there worked on to be full unique character which i think that is what he is going to be. An Echo or Semi Clone of a current character i don't see it happening. When you guys think the next direct will happen?

Definitely next month (at least a Nintendo Direct because the online service debuts then). There we could see a 5-10 minute Smash direct with another character reveal or 2. However, Pokemon Championships are next week and could possibly have pokemon smash info too.
 

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This. Of course it's easy to get upset about your most wanted character not getting in, but as long as we enjoy the speculation and anticipation for it along the way, it's a good thing. And if all of that speculation pays off....well:)
Yeah exactly! It will be the most satisfying things in the world. I have wanted geno for a few months now (i only played RPG a few months back oops) but as soon as i realised how likely he had become i wanted to join in on the hype here as i knew it would only fuel my hype more and support him. The payoff and excitement will be even higher now if that reveal comes thanks to all of you. Oh gosh we are 4 months off and are already getting all soft haha.

Definitely next month (at least a Nintendo Direct because the online service debuts then). There we could see a 5-10 minute Smash direct with another character reveal or 2. However, Pokemon Championships are next week and could possibly have pokemon smash info too.
I would say a Nin direct next month focused on the online service mainly with a few other games sprinkled in and a character reveal to close. Then another but smaller smash direct like you said in November to give out the last little bits of info. Most likely about the supposed "Spirits" mode on the menu and features. The direct next month will most likely talk about smashs online because that will sell a lot of subscriptions too and we don't know much about it either. Like even though the game isn't out yet people may just buy a years worth before hand for the sake of it once they see that smash will have a good online system (i hope).
 
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Definitely next month (at least a Nintendo Direct because the online service debuts then). There we could see a 5-10 minute Smash direct with another character reveal or 2. However, Pokemon Championships are next week and could possibly have pokemon smash info too.
I would say a Nin direct next month focused on the online service mainly with a few other games sprinkled in and a character reveal to close. Then another but smaller smash direct like you said in November to give out the last little bits of info. Most likely about the supposed "Spirits" mode on the menu and features. The direct next month will most likely talk about smashs online because that will sell a lot of subscriptions too and we don't know much about it either. Like even though the game isn't out yet people may just buy a years worth before hand for the sake of it once they see that smash will have a good online system (i hope).
 

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Hey gang!

I've been lurking these forums since SSB4, but I finally decided to get an account and voice my support for Geno. I really don't like to get my hopes too high for these kinds of things, but it's really hard not to when it seems that everything is pointing to our favorite Star Warrior getting into smash.

I do a bit of graphic design as a hobby, so I thought it'd be fun to try my hand at an infograph related to Geno's chances. I'm still learning how to use this site, and the image is pretty big...So I'll just post a link to it:

https://imgur.com/a/jR1t2Z4
(credit goes to LivingDeadSuperstar on DeviantArt for the header graphic)

Anywho, let me know what you guys think! I'm open to making changes and whatnot.
 

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I would say a Nin direct next month focused on the online service mainly with a few other games sprinkled in and a character reveal to close. Then another but smaller smash direct like you said in November to give out the last little bits of info. Most likely about the supposed "Spirits" mode on the menu and features. The direct next month will most likely talk about smashs online because that will sell a lot of subscriptions too and we don't know much about it either. Like even though the game isn't out yet people may just buy a years worth before hand for the sake of it once they see that smash will have a good online system (i hope).
It should 100% have actual Smash Info. Getting a nintendo online subscription needs to have benefits. Playing smash online (a game that only releases once every 4-7 years) should be your leading pitch for online. I wouldn't be surprised if there is yet another 15-20 minute Smash section for this direct, showing off online, 2 new characters, and a set of echoes again. Perhaps, even with Mii fighters likely getting into online, it would be a good time to announce that with the possibility of a 4th Mii fighter type (Mii Spellcaster/Wizard is one I've been seeing people throw around these days). I just hope if it does happen, it doesn't detract of actual smash character chances, like Geno/Issac, etc.
 

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Hey gang!

I've been lurking these forums since SSB4, but I finally decided to get an account and voice my support for Geno. I really don't like to get my hopes too high for these kinds of things, but it's really hard not to when it seems that everything is pointing to our favorite Star Warrior getting into smash.

I do a bit of graphic design as a hobby, so I thought it'd be fun to try my hand at an infograph related to Geno's chances. I'm still learning how to use this site, and the image is pretty big...So I'll just post a link to it:

https://imgur.com/a/jR1t2Z4
(credit goes to LivingDeadSuperstar on DeviantArt for the header graphic)

Anywho, let me know what you guys think! I'm open to making changes and whatnot.
This is fantastic. Thank you!
 

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This is just a theory, but I think Geno will be revealed in a direct, along with some more final fantasy stuff, kind of like how lots of Castlevania stuff was in the last one.

I think they'll reveal a character, like Terra (:)), maybe even an echo, then possibly a stage and some music, 1 or two assists like Moogle or Chocobo, and then finally reveal Geno. Sakurai's been wanting to include him for quite a while.

So that's my prediction. No facts to back it up, just conjecture :)
 

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It should 100% have actual Smash Info. Getting a nintendo online subscription needs to have benefits. Playing smash online (a game that only releases once every 4-7 years) should be your leading pitch for online. I wouldn't be surprised if there is yet another 15-20 minute Smash section for this direct, showing off online, 2 new characters, and a set of echoes again. Perhaps, even with Mii fighters likely getting into online, it would be a good time to announce that with the possibility of a 4th Mii fighter type (Mii Spellcaster/Wizard is one I've been seeing people throw around these days). I just hope if it does happen, it doesn't detract of actual smash character chances, like Geno/Issac, etc.
Not to certain about 2 new unique characters. I see them talking revealing some echos and maybe 1 unique newcomer along with some online information. A full Smash direct i think will occur late October/ Early November which will reveal the last 2 unique characters for the game. My predictions are Geno ( opener) and Banjo-Kazooie (closer) Before this Smash direct there they will reveal 2 unique newcomers and more echos thru other mini directs my guess 1 newcomer Pokemon and the other well its up in the Isaac, Elma or someone else i really can't say for certain. So really in total we will get 8 new comers. we already got 4. just 4 more to go folks! :D
 

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Not to certain about 2 new unique characters. I see them talking revealing some echos and maybe 1 unique newcomer along with some online information. A full Smash direct i think will occur late October/ Early November which will reveal the last 2 unique characters for the game. My predictions are Geno ( opener) and Banjo-Kazooie (closer) Before this Smash direct there they will reveal 2 unique newcomers and more echos thru other mini directs my guess 1 newcomer Pokemon and the other well its up in the Isaac, Elma or someone else i really can't say for certain. So really in total we will get 8 new comers. we already got 4. just 4 more to go folks! :D
Could be more than 4 though. A "few more" is technically anywhere from 3-6. We've gotten 4 uniques in 2 months, with 4 more months left for promotion. If the trend continues, it could mean up to 8 more uniques but I won't go that far. Don't be shocked if we get upwards of 6 more unique fighters.
 
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I really hope they don't wait too long, and Geno isn't leaked before the announcement. When did the ESRB leak happen for Smash 4?
 

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I really hope they don't wait too long, and Geno isn't leaked before the announcement. When did the ESRB leak happen for Smash 4?

Roughly 1 month before Smash 3ds was released. Its possible ESRB will be a lot more restricted this time around when they rate the game to prevent the same leak, but you never know. Gamefreak has had the same demo leak issues literally every game they release lol.


We'll most certainly get some sort of leak a few weeks early, be it a broken street date release or a leak due to the game going gold and copies circulating one way or another.
 
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Could be more than 4 though. A "few more" is technically anywhere from 3-6. We've gotten 4 uniques in 2 months, with 4 more months left for promotion. If the trend continues, it could mean up to 8 more uniques but I won't go that far. Don't be shocked if we get upwards of 6 more unique fighters.
I am all for that. I am just playing it safe with 8 newcomers total. Echos don't count as unique newcomers. I hope yours is the case though. To be honest we now that "not too many new challengers" (for base game). DLC will happen guys. It will be a money maker for them and they know it. For the DLC portion - how many DLC characters you guys think they will do? For some reason 10 stands out to me. This game will reach 100 characters (echos counted) after all DLC is said and done what you guys think?
 

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I’ve got a feeling if he’s gonna be revealed, it’s gonna be next month along with a few other hype characters by Nintendo to try and soften the blow of their very lackluster online service that we’re now going to have to pay for. Switch’s online has been barebones from the start, and the “new” features next month(aside from cloud saves) are a joke and still behind anything even the wii u offered, Nintendo is gonna probably use geno and a few other popular characters in a similar way they did sonic’s reveal for brawl, to soften some negative news
 

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Hey everyone! Finally back and so glad to see so much discussion in here! We've really exploded. :bobomb:

This is just a theory, but I think Geno will be revealed in a direct, along with some more final fantasy stuff, kind of like how lots of Castlevania stuff was in the last one.

I think they'll reveal a character, like Terra (:)), maybe even an echo, then possibly a stage and some music, 1 or two assists like Moogle or Chocobo, and then finally reveal Geno. Sakurai's been wanting to include him for quite a while.

So that's my prediction. No facts to back it up, just conjecture :)
As cool as that would be, I don't think we'd get two unique newcomers from Square. The most I could see would be Geno and maybe Zack as a Cloud echo, given he'd make the most sense. Hopefully plenty of music and even a new stage follows with them.
 

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My fellow Geno fans, I come here to vent. I'll post what I said in a discord server:

I think the "If he gets in, meh, I'll be happy for the fans" line is a load of tripe. Its like if the same people who said K tool was irrelevant for years just turned around and said "Ayyyyyy im happy for you"---and no, K rool isnt being compared here. Its the fact that people feel the need to say why X character shouldn't get in, then they turn around and act happy to be proven wrong. No the **** you aren't. If it were up to you they wouldn't BE HERE! You're telling me the same people who gave me grief for years and moaned and complained to me over and over again asking "What has Geno ever done?" as if they don't know are suddenlt supposed to be happy for me? NO! I find that disingenuous and two-faced! As far as I'm concerned, if you actively argue why a character or its fan base SHOULDN'T be included, you are part of the problem and are being nothing more than an obstacle!
 
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I took a look at the old Brawl thread not to long ago out of curiosity, and it is very strange to both so many people I recognize, yet others who have not been on the site in years. I only took glances at the posts themselves, but I could still see a major difference between speculation back then and speculation now.
 

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My fellow Geno fans, I come here to vent. I'll post what I said in a discord server:

I think the "If he gets in, meh, I'll be happy for the fans" line is a load of tripe. Its like if the same people who said K tool was irrelevant for years just turned around and said "Ayyyyyy im happy for you"---and no, K rool isnt being compared here. Its the fact that people feel the need to say why X character shouldn't get in, then they turn around and act happy to be proven wrong. No the **** you aren't. If it were up to you they wouldn't BE HERE! You're telling me the same people who gave me grief for years and moaned and complained to me over and over again asking "What has Geno ever done?" as if they don't know are suddenlt supposed to be happy for me? NO! I find that disingenuous and two-faced! As far as I'm concerned, if you actively argue why a character or its fan base SHOULDN'T be included, you are part of the problem and are being nothing more than an obstacle!
Feel the need to state that while I agree that it's ****ty when people a character you actively support down and then turn around and say "oh I'm so happy for you" is incredibly two-faced, there's no point in firing back. It only fuels a cycle of unnecessary hate.

For me, I just try to get into the mindset of people who feel the need to put down other characters with "oh he's irrelevant" or "he shouldn't get in over X character". They're probably rationalizing it that way because they want a different character to get in instead and see other characters with sound logic as a viable threat the the "slot" their character would get in. While I don't agree with that logic, I can see why someone would feel that way.

I always thought some of the things that would get Geno excluded would either be Final Fantasy representation or Paper Mario representation, so perhaps if I was assured one of those characters would get in I'd feel inclined to deny it? I dunno, I was still incredibly hyped with Cloud's announcement and I'd love to see Paper Mario in smash.
 

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Extremely long time lurker here, played Super Mario RPG when it first released... I distinctly remember bouncing from store to store because it was sold out, first time I had such trouble finding a game.

I am overjoyed knowing that the Geno fan base continues to make it's voice heard and hope to see him make it in. Noticing a lot of toxicity build up lately after Ridley and K Rool were confirmed, here's hoping we can all remain positive and not add to the toxicity!
 

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Extremely long time lurker here, played Super Mario RPG when it first released... I distinctly remember bouncing from store to store because it was sold out, first time I had such trouble finding a game.

I am overjoyed knowing that the Geno fan base continues to make it's voice heard and hope to see him make it in. Noticing a lot of toxicity build up lately after Ridley and K Rool were confirmed, here's hoping we can all remain positive and not add to the toxicity!
Extremely long time lurker here, played Super Mario RPG when it first released... I distinctly remember bouncing from store to store because it was sold out, first time I had such trouble finding a game.

I am overjoyed knowing that the Geno fan base continues to make it's voice heard and hope to see him make it in. Noticing a lot of toxicity build up lately after Ridley and K Rool were confirmed, here's hoping we can all remain positive and not add to the toxicity!
I'd argue there's been far less toxicity and more positive vibes and hope. Not speaking for the others here, but I myself am rooting for the likes of Isaac, Skull Kid, and Banjo & Kazooie (plus countless others) and I see quite a bit of that positive vibe in other threads too. Sure there are outliers but they aren't as rampant as they were before the direct last week.
 

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I'd argue there's been far less toxicity and more positive vibes and hope. Not speaking for the others here, but I myself am rooting for the likes of Isaac, Skull Kid, and Banjo & Kazooie (plus countless others) and I see quite a bit of that positive vibe in other threads too. Sure there are outliers but they aren't as rampant as they were before the direct last week.
On Smashboards things seem to be great, but unfortunately whenever I look over other sites everyone seems to be redirecting previous hostilities towards Geno's fanbase. Though I suppose these individuals may just intend to argue against anything. Just wanted to say that I hope our fanbase can refrain from firing back.
 

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IMO, the two most likely characters at this point are Geno and Shadow (as an echo).
I 100% think its Geno's time.
 

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As cool as that would be, I don't think we'd get two unique newcomers from Square. The most I could see would be Geno and maybe Zack as a Cloud echo, given he'd make the most sense. Hopefully plenty of music and even a new stage follows with them.
I know I would've thought that before too, but now the doors are blown open with how much they added from Castlevania. I think they're going as far as they can.

And here's the thing, IF the leak about Terra being in the game is true, well for me it only makes sense that if they went ahead to make her in, that the relationship with SE is a golden opportunity for Geno at the same time.


And about hostilities. That's just part of the selfish and competitive side of people. Some are more loving, so they are happy for others, but others aren't but will say they are because of ethics. People are two-faced because ethics has lots of holes in it, and it takes genuine love to be nice all around.
 

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I took a look at the old Brawl thread not to long ago out of curiosity, and it is very strange to both so many people I recognize, yet others who have not been on the site in years. I only took glances at the posts themselves, but I could still see a major difference between speculation back then and speculation now.
I'd say Ridley and K. Rool showing up ignited a new level of "Holy Hell, this really is the best chance we have."

Those two showing up really pushed it over the edge. Least I think. Especially K. Rool.
 

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I'd say Ridley first gave a big boost. Making him work for Smash certainly allows more possibilities for us Geno fans ... let alone others.
 
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