Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[OptimisticStrifer]

Anger is a hell of a motivator but you have to channel it in the right way. Let's make a deadline, eh? Let's produce something tangible by E3. How does that sound? I'm still supporting Geno in this game but let's do something with this. Some of you are indignant, okay, what are you going to do about it? @papagenos @TerminalMontage Any ideas?

I'm open to ideas. But honestly I've never felt like my voice has mattered less tbh lol.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

It INFURIATES me that a goddamn typical and uninspired Sword fighter from a franchise with little to no request to be included in Smash gets in over one that HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 14 YEARS.



Might as well not waste 15 ****ing bucks on the Pass and only 5 just for Joker.

 

[Deleted member]

It INFURIATES me that a goddamn typical and uninspired Sword fighter from a franchise with little to no request to be included in Smash gets in over one that HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 14 YEARS.



Might as well not waste 15 ****ing bucks on the Pass and only 5 just for Joker.

Hey, I mentioned you in the Operation Starfall thread. Come

 

[helloiamhere]

I just want to know why they managed to negotiate the rights for Geno and not even make him a proper character. Like you got the rights for him and only make a crap Mii costume and then a Spirit in the sequel? Wtf?

 

[TooManyToastahs]

Anger is a hell of a motivator but you have to channel it in the right way. Let's make a deadline, eh? Let's produce something tangible by E3. How does that sound? I'm still supporting Geno in this game but let's do something with this. Some of you are indignant, okay, what are you going to do about it? @papagenos @TerminalMontage Any ideas?

I think it’s time we all make some letters. Ovaltine, if I remember correctly, sent one in recently, which really inspired me to make one myself. But I think if a collection of people all made individual letters and sent them into Nintendo and Square Enix, they would have to get an idea.

There’s gotta be some kind of movement here. I like Fatmanonice’s idea, we’ve gotta start doing something instead of just talking amongst fellow fans in a thread.

 

[helloiamhere]

It INFURIATES me that a goddamn typical and uninspired Sword fighter from a franchise with little to no request to be included in Smash gets in over one that HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 14 YEARS.



Might as well not waste 15 ****ing bucks on the Pass and only 5 just for Joker.

Not in America, maybe. It needs to be reiterated once again - Dragon Quest is a top video game franchise in Japan. Only Pokemon beats it. DQ getting in Smash was a matter of when, not if. Also if they were to redo the series and start adding 3rd parties with regards to important ties to Nintendo history, Sonic would probably be 1, Megaman 2, and Dragon Quest as the 3rd.

 

[ForsakenM]

I think it’s time we all make some letters. Ovaltine, if I remember correctly, sent one in recently, which really inspired me to make one myself. But I think if a collection of people all made individual letters and sent them into Nintendo and Square Enix, they would have to get an idea.

There’s gotta be some kind of movement here. I like Fatmanonice’s idea, we’ve gotta start doing something instead of just talking amongst fellow fans in a thread.

Like, an email?

Or a paper ass paper letter?

 

[Deleted member]

I just want to know why they managed to negotiate the rights for Geno and not even make him a proper character. Like you got the rights for him and only make a crap Mii costume and then a Spirit in the sequel? Wtf?

Hey, come to this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...ing-life-to-smrpg-again.467163/#post-22890587

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Well, let's not forget, he loves Dragon Quest 3 as well.

It could be a labor of love for such instead of him simply just fighting for Geno.

I think it could be that Nintendo or Sakurai's choosing another Square rep to build a better relationship with Square so Sakurai can get Geno later. We know Cloud didn't win the ballot, so I honestly think Sakurai added Cloud to see if he can build a better relationship with Square so he can get what he really wants from them. Remember that Nintendo chose the DLC, so if Sakurai does plan on making a 2nd wave of DLC, I honestly see Geno as the first one up because I think the 2nd one will be his choices this time, not Nintendo's. I only have plans on getting Joker. I might get the fighters pass, but it depends on the other three that are left. As I said before with my theory, Nintendo could be choosing franchises Sakurai likes, so we got no clue who the next three are.

I really hope they include more Final Fantasy VII soundtracks in the game, and I know it's a 0.01% chance of happening, but I'd love to see Crazy Motorcycle Chase, One-Winged Angel, and J-E-N-O-V-A for Midgar. Getting a single FF7 music track is about as difficult as getting a third-party character in Smash, so I doubt it's going to happen. Would be nice, though.

Piranha Plant followed by three anime sword users... what the **** is this franchise. **** the fighter pass and **** your ****ty game; you're lucky I even bought it. Such ****ty character selection that most of it deserved to be leaked. Everything from the reveal to K. Rool was flawless; everything after has just gotten worse and worse. I think it's time they should evolve Mario sandbox games to be more than just random fragments of land, but an actual connected world. The leap from 64 to Sunshine was stunning, but the leap from Sunshine to Odyssey (which was over twice as long)...

Please calm down. I disagree. I like Piranha Plant, and we should be thankful that he's NOT taking a spot in the DLC pack because if he was, I would 100% doubt that Geno isn't coming. Also, Joker isn't a swordsman. I agree that the reveals after K. Rool didn't seem hype like before, but let's be happy that the base roster is full of fan service instead of being there just for promotion. Piranha Plant is free so it's a plus for us!

It leaped from Sunshine to Galaxy then Galaxy to Odyssey. It's more like we stayed on our home planet this time and just explored there. I agree with Geno not being in the Mario/Rabbids crossover, but that's Ubisoft, it isn't Square.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

If Steve gets in that's the nail in the coffin, there sure wont be any demand for a second pass after that

 

[Ravioko]

I miss this thread from a few months ago. At this point, there's a few people here who seem like they could be fun to chat with, and then there's people who are clearly not going anywhere who just bring pure negativity as soon as they don't get what they want. Makes it hard to stop lurking.

I know we've all been waiting for Geno for years and years but trust me when I say that Geno not being in the game isn't some personal attack on us. Furthermore, if a character you don't personally care for gets in, maybe just...try to be excited for what they could bring to the table? Or happy for people who DID want that character?

I'm not going to pretend I ever cared about K.Rool in the SLIGHTEST but he was announced and I got super happy for the people who wanted him! And look, the game came out and he's actually pretty fun to play!

Just...I get the frustration. But there's no reason to turn a forum for discussion into a cesspool of toxicity, and then complain anytime someone mentioned how annoying Geno fans get somewhere on the internet, because frankly - a good handful of the people on this thread kinda' do nothing but give Geno detractors more ammo.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

How many times has Square tried to shove DQ down the US' throat now? Its getting ridiculous at this point

( Yes, im really pissed over this )

 

[T2by4]

Hey fellas, been lurking these threads for quite some time, as far back near the end of Sm4sh DLC. Gotta say it is a heartbreaker we haven't had our star boy yet. I decided now to jump in to give my support in any way. It's been rough being a Geno supporter as of late, it feels like we have been the target of hate as of late and wanted to find some peeps that I know would have similar interests in me. It's been a rollercoaster watching this thread. I am pretty heartbroken knowing that another Square Rep has gotten in before us once again, I do hope this doesn't cause any hate to the DQ fans though, I'm glad for them, it just feels like a stab in the back after waiting for so long. I do hope we get Geno someday whether it be in Smash or another game where he plays a role in it. I'm certain Nintendo went into this dlc with the mindset of the whole audience, I just hope that someday they'll throw us a bone. I know for sure we're probably going to get a mii costume, so that does give me some hope that geno will be considered some day as King K Rool and Chrom have.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey fellas, been lurking these threads for quite some time, as far back near the end of Sm4sh DLC. Gotta say it is a heartbreaker we haven't had our star boy yet. I decided now to jump in to give my support in any way. It's been rough being a Geno supporter as of late, it feels like we have been the target of hate as of late and wanted to find some peeps that I know would have similar interests in me. It's been a rollercoaster watching this thread. I am pretty heartbroken knowing that another Square Rep has gotten in before us once again, I do hope this doesn't cause any hate to the DQ fans though, I'm glad for them, it just feels like a stab in the back after waiting for so long. I do hope we get Geno someday whether it be in Smash or another game where he plays a role in it. I'm certain Nintendo went into this dlc with the mindset of the whole audience, I just hope that someday they'll throw us a bone. I know for sure we're probably going to get a mii costume, so that does give me some hope that geno will be considered some day as King K Rool and Chrom have.

Welcome! You should join us in another thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...ing-life-to-smrpg-again.467163/#post-22890587

Come!

 

[EricTheGamerman]

You guy's are kind of passively taking Erdrick right now. I'm not going to act like him getting in isn't Grade A corporate bull****

Square Enix doesn't care about our voices. They care about how much Money they can make.

This is just another attempt to push their franchise in the West. A goddamn cynical move

Dude, people have been over this with you time and time again. There are plenty of reasons for Dragon Quest to have a place in Smash outside of a corporate move, such as you know, an entire franchise being more popular than most gaming franchises in a different region than your own.

It's not cynical either. Hell, this is probably quite a good move if this "Brave" character is indeed a Dragon Quest character in overall PR back in Japan. You're acting like the ONLY reason Square would ever consider Dragon Quest is to promote it in the West and not for, again, the quite massive fan base back in Japan.

Also, I know you keep pushing this narrative, but Square isn't to blame here. The only way they're to blame is if they actively turned down Geno. Otherwise, this is 100% Nintendo's choice. They went to Square with a proposal and chose Erdrick or DQ in general. We have no way of proving Geno was even a consideration for them, let alone that Square has any involvement in the choices made for the game.

It INFURIATES me that a goddamn typical and uninspired Sword fighter from a franchise with little to no request to be included in Smash gets in over one that HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR 14 YEARS.

There have been requests and the idea has been thrown around Japan, though much like Castlevania, there has been support for different characters all belonging to the series. If Castlevania can get in on the backs of multiple votes for different presences (And Simon was never a massive contender mind you request wise) and the overall legacy as a classic NES game, I don't see why Dragon Quest doesn't deserve a similar shot. You're also judging a character before you've even seen them in action and assuming that whatever this character does is just another generic move set.


Look, I know people are upset, and it's hard to deal with the fact that Geno's chances for this Fighters Pass seem ever more dim. To be fair, we don't actually know for certain who "Brave" is, so let's not all completely jump to conclusions.

But more importantly, let's not act ****ty and turn our anger towards Dragon Quest or Square or even Nintendo despite me just saying they were "responsible for this decision." They made decisions that do make sense whether or not you want to admit it, and have a good opportunity to please people with such other choices. No one was acting cynically or just for the sake of corporate, and I guarantee you that there was no push back against the fans or that not including Geno was some active choice against us.

What his failure to be included in the base game or DLC shows is one thing and one thing only. We haven't broken through to them enough. It's always an uphill battle with Geno, and now isn't any different. I suspect the relative non-existence of Geno's support during Smash 4 can be pointed to as a serious factor that may have resulted in him having much less of a presence during the ballot days and overall in the past few years than he should have. We've managed to rebuild quite the community of support for him and what we need to do is maintain that community, and actively work towards promoting the ideas of his return through whatever means. Like Operation Starfall, like pushing for him in Smash always. By showing our love and support, we can try our damndest to force Nintendo to recognize him as a logical inclusion.

But I will continue to say this, acting pissy, complaining about the inclusion of another character over Geno, pestering the wrong kinds of people such as customer service agents who have things rough enough, and so on will get us nowhere and will not paint Geno in a positive light. I'm sorry, but we can't escalate with frustration. We have to do this the right way, or we'll never even get support from the rest of the community that we could desperately use. I know that's always fair considering what Geno supporters go through, but that's just the reality of the situation. How we conduct ourselves will decide how we're perceived on the greater community level. The anger you might be feeling or venting now can absolutely be turned against you and all of us.

I know I've not been as active in this thread as of late because I've been more interested in discussing the general Square character's chances. But realizing that this might be the end for Geno still stings and I still want to see him there in the roster. Our best chance is to drum up hype for more DLC characters and push like other communities have already taken to doing. Wave 1 might be decided, but we could theoretically break all the rules for a Wave 2 (And maybe even force it's existence) with enough support.

 

[Deleted member]

tbh it would be really funny if this "brave" character had like nothing to do with an SE rep and turned out to be some other random character

like idk if "jack" has anything to do with Joker, if "jack" was datamined before Joker's reveal somehow people probably would've been connecting it to Raiden or Jack Frost. While I do think a DQ character is EXTREMELY likely, anything can happen at this stage.

 

[Deleted member]

Dude, people have been over this with you time and time again. There are plenty of reasons for Dragon Quest to have a place in Smash outside of a corporate move, such as you know, an entire franchise being more popular than most gaming franchises in a different region than your own.

It's not cynical either. Hell, this is probably quite a good move if this "Brave" character is indeed a Dragon Quest character in overall PR back in Japan. You're acting like the ONLY reason Square would ever consider Dragon Quest is to promote it in the West and not for, again, the quite massive fan base back in Japan.

Also, I know you keep pushing this narrative, but Square isn't to blame here. The only way they're to blame is if they actively turned down Geno. Otherwise, this is 100% Nintendo's choice. They went to Square with a proposal and chose Erdrick or DQ in general. We have no way of proving Geno was even a consideration for them, let alone that Square has any involvement in the choices made for the game.



There have been requests and the idea has been thrown around Japan, though much like Castlevania, there has been support for different characters all belonging to the series. If Castlevania can get in on the backs of multiple votes for different presences (And Simon was never a massive contender mind you request wise) and the overall legacy as a classic NES game, I don't see why Dragon Quest doesn't deserve a similar shot. You're also judging a character before you've even seen them in action and assuming that whatever this character does is just another generic move set.


Look, I know people are upset, and it's hard to deal with the fact that Geno's chances for this Fighters Pass seem ever more dim. To be fair, we don't actually know for certain who "Brave" is, so let's not all completely jump to conclusions.

But more importantly, let's not act ****ty and turn our anger towards Dragon Quest or Square or even Nintendo despite me just saying they were "responsible for this decision." They made decisions that do make sense whether or not you want to admit it, and have a good opportunity to please people with such other choices. No one was acting cynically or just for the sake of corporate, and I guarantee you that there was no push back against the fans or that not including Geno was some active choice against us.

What his failure to be included in the base game or DLC shows is one thing and one thing only. We haven't broken through to them enough. It's always an uphill battle with Geno, and now isn't any different. I suspect the relative non-existence of Geno's support during Smash 4 can be pointed to as a serious factor that may have resulted in him having much less of a presence during the ballot days and overall in the past few years than he should have. We've managed to rebuild quite the community of support for him and what we need to do is maintain that community, and actively work towards promoting the ideas of his return through whatever means. Like Operation Starfall, like pushing for him in Smash always. By showing our love and support, we can try our damndest to force Nintendo to recognize him as a logical inclusion.

But I will continue to say this, acting pissy, complaining about the inclusion of another character over Geno, pestering the wrong kinds of people such as customer service agents who have things rough enough, and so on will get us nowhere and will not paint Geno in a positive light. I'm sorry, but we can't escalate with frustration. We have to do this the right way, or we'll never even get support from the rest of the community that we could desperately use. I know that's always fair considering what Geno supporters go through, but that's just the reality of the situation. How we conduct ourselves will decide how we're perceived on the greater community level. The anger you might be feeling or venting now can absolutely be turned against you and all of us.

I know I've not been as active in this thread as of late because I've been more interested in discussing the general Square character's chances. But realizing that this might be the end for Geno still stings and I still want to see him there in the roster. Our best chance is to drum up hype for more DLC characters and push like other communities have already taken to doing. Wave 1 might be decided, but we could theoretically break all the rules for a Wave 2 (And maybe even force it's existence) with enough support.

Eric, come to this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...ing-life-to-smrpg-again.467163/#post-22890587

 

[HolyKnight]

All I can do is sigh. All this discussion was supposed to be the wind beneath my wings, but all this blatant negativity has just taken the wind out of my sails. I'm out. Such a shame.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

>Starts off Pass with a highly request and adored character ( Joker )
>Follows it up with 2 swordsmen with little to no request for Smash and possibly ****ing Steve


Im literally just waiting for them to add a FE character as well to further anger people.

 

[Deleted member]

All I can do is sigh. All this discussion was supposed to be the wind beneath my wings, but all this blatant negativity has just taken the wind out of my sails. I'm out. Such a shame.

Come to this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...ing-life-to-smrpg-again.467163/#post-22890587

 

[Ravioko]

>Starts off Pass with a highly request and adored character ( Joker )
>Follows it up with 2 swordsmen with little to no request for Smash and possibly ****ing Steve


Im literally just waiting for them to add a FE character as well to further anger people.

You realize that the routine posts you make like this not only make you look bad, but most Geno supporters, and are one of the reasons so many people elect to just lurk in these thread instead of openly supporting (which is exactly what we need, open support)

You...you realize that right?

Or are all the posts about the negativity and toxicity in this thread being looked past?

 

[T2by4]

You realize that the routine posts you make like this not only make you look bad, but most Geno supporters, and are one of the reasons so many people elect to just lurk in these thread instead of openly supporting (which is exactly what we need, open support)

You...you realize that right?

Or are all the posts about the negativity and toxicity in this thread being looked past?

It's frustrating, I can empathize with it. I agree this shouldn't leave the thread as we have been a target within the smash community as of late, unfortunately. At the same time I can't deny the frustration that most of us had to endure. All we can do at this point is to try to stay level headed and show our passion for the character.

 

[Deleted member]

>Starts off Pass with a highly request and adored character ( Joker )
>Follows it up with 2 swordsmen with little to no request for Smash and possibly ****ing Steve


Im literally just waiting for them to add a FE character as well to further anger people.

Who's the second swordsman?

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Its absolutely frustrating how Nintendo has said over and over again that they are "listening" to the requests for Geno..... and then this happens.

 

[Deleted member]

Who's the second swordsman?

faygoshill, if you are interested, come to this thread: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...ing-life-to-smrpg-again.467163/#post-22890587

 

[T2by4]

Its absolutely frustrating how Nintendo has said over and over again that they are "listening" to the requests for Geno..... and then this happens.

I think it was just Sakurai that said that, and he has, the fact that we got a costume means he KNOWS we exist and have a strong base. I do agree the Dragon Quest pick is... Odd. But he did kind of give a warning in a tweet saying it was mostly Nintendo's choice for dlc, and of course if you can make a lot of money by further promoting a game overseas you might as well do it. Which hurts, because it indirectly harms a fanbase that has been in far longer and far more devoted. Our voices are being heard, we will have our day.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

I think it was just Sakurai that said that, and he has, the fact that we got a costume means he KNOWS we exist and have a strong base. I do agree the Dragon Quest pick is... Odd. But he did kind of give a warning in a tweet saying it was mostly Nintendo's choice for dlc, and of course if you can make a lot of money by further promoting a game overseas you might as well do it. Which hurts, because it indirectly harms a fanbase that has been in far longer and far more devoted. Our voices are being heard, we will have our day.

Here's the problem.... they have tried MULTIPLE times to sell DQ in the west and none have worked. Im pretty sure adding a literal Who to smash won't help either.


Also i honestly don't ever think the day is gonna come. Nintendo nor Square outright care about us at this point.

 

[Lime3037]

Remember that one Ashley fan that had a Twitter meltdown once she was revealed to be an AT?
People who didn't like Ashley, along with people who just love mocking people on the internet (ie 4chan, Kiwi Farms, etc.) made fun of him for it and no doubt trolled him hard.

I understand the frustration, but take the high road and be the bigger person. Let's use Operation Starfall to the best that we can. Even if it doesn't get anywhere, at least we tried.

 

[ForsakenM]

Who's the second swordsman?

I have no idea where Mellow got the idea that more than one character has been confirmed when we don't even have 100% confirmation it's Eddy.

We only know of Joker and PP for sure.

 

[Deleted member]

I have no idea where Mellow got the idea that more than one character has been confirmed when we don't even have 100% confirmation it's Eddy.

We only know of Joker and PP for sure.

aight thought I missed something for a hot second there lol

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Here's the problem.... they have tried MULTIPLE times to sell DQ in the west and none have worked. Im pretty sure adding a literal Who to smash won't help either.


Also i honestly don't ever think the day is gonna come. Nintendo nor Square outright care about us at this point.

.... Are you forgetting that it was NOJ that chose the DLC?

Considering DQs popularity in Japan, it would make perfect sense for them to add a DQ character over Geno.


If it was Sakurai or NOA who chose it, there might have still have been a shot. But considering the circumstances, getting a DQ character was a matter of when, not if...

 

[Deleted member]

.... Are you forgetting that it was NOJ that chose the DLC?

Considering DQs popularity in Japan, it would make perfect sense for them to add a DQ character over Geno.


If it was Sakurai or NOA who chose it, there might have still have been a shot. But considering the circumstances, getting a DQ character was a matter of when, not if...

Happy first post on Smashboards!

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

.... Are you forgetting that it was NOJ that chose the DLC?

Considering DQs popularity in Japan, it would make perfect sense for them to add a DQ character over Geno.


If it was Sakurai or NOA who chose it, there might have still have been a shot. But considering the circumstances, getting a DQ character was a matter of when, not if...

If it had been Sakurai he most likely would've added another FE and Pokemon rep.

Also this is literally what i feared the worst when NoJ was revealed to have made the picks.

 

[Datboigeno]

.... Are you forgetting that it was NOJ that chose the DLC?

Considering DQs popularity in Japan, it would make perfect sense for them to add a DQ character over Geno.


If it was Sakurai or NOA who chose it, there might have still have been a shot. But considering the circumstances, getting a DQ character was a matter of when, not if...

Does it really though when you consider the fact that even with its iconic status in Japan next to no one in Japan was requesting DQ characters or voting for them in polls? Like, on paper it makes sense to push the brand internationally but they had to have known that Geno and even Crono were more highly requested.

 

[DaxMasterix]

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[nessdeltarune00]

If it had been Sakurai he most likely would've added another FE and Pokemon rep.

Also this is literally what i feared the worst when NoJ was revealed to have made the picks.

You mean the same man who has tried getting him in the game multiple times in the past? And stated that he would be a perfect fit for the game?

 

[Deleted member]

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[Mellowy Yellow]

Does it really though when you consider the fact that even with its iconic status in Japan next to no one in Japan was requesting DQ characters or voting for them in polls? Like, on paper it makes sense to push the brand internationally but they had to have known that Geno and even Crono were more highly requested.

Like someone said earlier, this is 100% a corporate move in every way.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Does it really though when you consider the fact that even with its iconic status in Japan next to no one in Japan was requesting DQ characters or voting for them in polls? Like, on paper it makes sense to push the brand internationally but they had to have known that Geno and even Crono were more highly requested.

Maybe the hardcore Japanese Smash fans wanted, say Geno, more...


But adding a character from one of the most popular franchises in the entire country would be sure to send massive waves throughout the general public over there, from what I can tell.

Like someone said earlier, this is 100% a corporate move in every way.

Maybe it somewhat is


But the series has an incredibly long history with Nintendo, and is considered by some to be one of the leading founders of JRPGs, along with Final Fantasy


Look, I've wanted Geno ever since I started following Ultimate. However, do you see why it makes sense a DQ character would get in over him?

 

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