Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Erdrick, Luminary, and Slime being Mii costumes would arguably be better advertisement for the entire series than just Erdrick as a playable fighter. At least it makes sense sense to me.

Shrug

Eh, Slime would look kind of awkward as a hat. He'd be great as playable, though. The other characters kind of work better as costumes, or even just the general armor, as many don't recognize them that much. Regardless, I think a playable character would represent more of the series' capabilities(a hero or slime) due to the various spells/skills being available.

I see what you’re saying, and I agree. I was only trying to address the “playable or nothing” idea. Both outcomes are valid for different reasons.

Eeyup. I never liked that mentality. I can understand its usage, though.

 

[HolyKnight]

I assume jump fiesta gave us nothing.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Remaining 4. There are 5 in the DLC wave, and Piranha Plant is a bonus.

Also, what's been pointing to DQ anyways? Only secrets, or anything publicly known?

Stuff found by Vergeben, Hitagi, and Xenother that cross-checks with their various sources. Nothing super concrete like video (unless people are withholding evidence but insiders seem to largely have a mutual respect for one another) but enough people with connections from different sources all agreeing on it for it to no longer be considered a coincidence. In other words, it's very unlikely to be false because insiders from across the industry agree on it based on what they know. Not impossible, mind you, but unlikely.

 

[Xigger]

I wouldn't be surprised if LoZ did see the Skull Kid Mii Costume and Isaac Assist Trophy. Without context, screenshots of them could easily be mistaken for full playable characters.

For example:

I was really shocked to see Assist Trophies could be hit, KO'd, grabbed, and run around like normal fighters.

When I saw the Piranha Plant reveal, I first thought "okay, can Assist trophies dodge and fight like players now"

 

[SmashKeks]

I have been thinking about something. I don't think the "this character will make more money" argument is strong. All characters cost the same amount of money, and it's the Smash fanbase. They buy anything. Corrin is good proof of this. People didn't like his inclusion, but they still bought him. Geno would be no different. People just assume he wouldn't sell well because he is an old character, which is incredibly stupid. People will buy him. Which leads me to my next point:

What if Nintendo and Square Enix are satisfied with the money he makes, so they put him in more games? Mario Kart, sports, and party are no-brainers for Geno and Mallow. What if they joined more SE game like FF? He has an insane design and concept, and he is likely to appeal to children. It could lead more Nintendo fans to play SE games! I have never played an FF game, but I definitely will if Geno joins one.

Just some thoughts about implementing Geno into different games

This. Someone on here the other day was saying Nintendo would suffer mass blowback if Erdrick made it into Smash that might hurt their profit margins. No, the majority of forum criers and lurkers like us might (keyword there being might) complain and not buy this character or that (And even then people who want to join tournaments would just have to grit their teeth and bear it.), but the vast majority of casual Smash fans who just want to play the game and buy the DLC anyway, who don't lurk forums or subreddits or watch Smashtubers, will probably just buy whatever DLC is put out, bonus points if the character in question is a recognizable character. I believe Nintendo could unironically put up Bubsy the Bobcat as DLC and still make a decent profit off of it, regardless of the blowback they'd see on forums, subreddits, Twitter/Facebook and the like.

 

[The Anigriffin]

This is kinda reminding me on the Minecraft content thing. So I'm unsure of what to think at the moment. Hmm. I'm gonna have to think about this for a while. Night guys gotta work on another character essay heh.

 

[HolyKnight]

This. Someone on here the other day was saying Nintendo would suffer mass blowback if Erdrick made it into Smash that might hurt their profit margins. No, the majority of forum criers and lurkers like us might (keyword there being might) complain and not buy this character or that (And even then people who want to join tournaments would just have to grit their teeth and bear it.), but the vast majority of casual Smash fans who just want to play the game and buy the DLC anyway, who don't lurk forums or subreddits or watch Smashtubers, will probably just buy whatever DLC is put out, bonus points if the character in question is a recognizable character. I believe Nintendo could unironically put up Bubsy the Bobcat as DLC and still make a decent profit off of it, regardless of the blowback they'd see on forums, subreddits, Twitter/Facebook and the like.

Nah I disagree with this whole heartedly. There are a few people who just unwittingly buy the DLC but ever since the constant backlash of gamers as a whole against DLC, preorders, loot boxes and everything else, I have a feeling more people are gonna just buy who they want. I know no one who has premptively bought the figher pass, and no one who is even considering it, we're all waiting for something we want. Hell I only bought the game because of the Joker reveal, it made me think "yeah, ok, this is a good reveal, nintendo isn't going to screw this up" I could be wrong, but if I am, I'll just forgo the DLC entirely.

 

[GoodGrief741]

No and that's the weird thing. Dragon Quest is the only thing that has any real talk aside from some people chiming with "oh, I've heard Yuri" and "yeah man, I've heard Lloyd" since the summer. All the Minecraft stuff goes back to August and nothing new has been heard since. I do think the Geno and NoA relation is weird because there's no real reason for NoA to push it. Company social media has a lot of checks and balances so for them to suddenly "celebrate" SMRPG in 2018 is really weird.




-Simply put, a lot is now pointing to DQ being decided a long time ago, maybe even as far back as the base roster. Even people super close to Atlus were blindsided by Joker so it points to the remaining four characters being treated significantly differently. My thought is that DQ was possibly intended for base but the development of DQ XI for Switch kept getting sidelined because of Kingdom Hearts III and the Final Fantasy VII remake.

-The only Square Enix character that has decent evidence in their favor at this time is someone from DQ but that's not saying much when its literally the only DLC character that has this. Aside from rumors, everything else is a blank slate at the moment. Joker was all but unknown and the remaining 3 are almost complete mysteries.

-Probably. We just know that Square was a huge pain to work with but we don't know why. DQ's liscensing quagmire (giggity) is a possible explanation but not confirmed. Square's expectations for DLC could be another. Some say Square tried to double dip with Cloud but that's just a rumor. I think there might have been an honest attempt to get it in base but someone, either Nintendo or Square, slammed on the brakes for whatever reason and DQ stuff has been on freeze since.

-Can't disclose that but some people are saying it's fake or at least questionable so it might be moot either way.

Doesn’t DQ being planned for base game contradict with the whole ‘SE wanted Cloud to be DLC and he was the last to be included’ story?

 

[Icedragonadam]

Doesn’t DQ being planned for base game contradict with the whole ‘SE wanted Cloud to be DLC and he was the last to be included’ story?

I thought that was just a rumor from Stealth?

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Eeyup. I never liked that mentality. I can understand its usage, though.

This is probably the worst place to ask, but do you know if they do support threads for wanted music tracks in the game?

 

[DaxMasterix]

It always bugged me the fact that Nintendo used Geno and Mallow, like.. Without SE at all (On the 22 anniversary Tweet and HQ Question during TGA) I know they may be "non-lucrative actions" but still...

 

[Datboigeno]

It always bugged me the fact that Nintendo used Geno and Mallow, like.. Without SE at all (On the 22 anniversary Tweet and HQ Question during TGA) I know they may be "non-lucrative actions" but still...

Because realistically they are more recognizable as Mario characters than anything SE has. That's likely more the reason SE has done nothing with the SMRPG characters in FF, DQ, etc. in the past 20 or so years. They may own them but it's not really a part of their "brand". Which makes it all the more curious as to why NoA is this year referencing SMRPG/Geno more than they ever have. Like Fatmanonice indicated huge companies like Nintendo don't post things on social media or promote specific things without huge oversight. I briefly dated a girl that was in charge of the Starbucks twitter account and she told me stories about how much of a huge operation full of stress, red tape, and approvals from higher ups posting the most innocuous of tweets was. So I don't for a minute buy the idea that Nintendo referencing Geno/SMRPG as they have to be a random coincidence.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Because realistically they are more recognizable as Mario characters than anything SE has. That's likely more the reason SE has done nothing with the SMRPG characters in FF, DQ, etc. in the past 20 or so years. They may own them but it's not really a part of their "brand". Which makes it all the more curious as to why NoA is this year referencing SMRPG/Geno more than they ever have. Like Fatmanonice indicated huge companies like Nintendo don't post things things on social media or promote specific things without huge oversight. I briefly dated a girl that was in charge of the Starbucks twitter account and she told me stories about how much of a huge operation full of stress, red tape, and approvals from higher ups posting the most innocuous of tweets was. So I don't for a minute buy the idea that Nintendo referencing Geno/SMRPG as they have to be a random coincidence.

Me neither, I was talking about the simple idea of Nintendo buying SMRPG content.
Just because I don't know how intellectual property works for sure.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Me neither, I was talking about the simple idea of Nintendo buying SMRPG content.
Just because I don't know how intellectual property works for sure.

Let's hope Nintendo bought EVERYTHING, because that would be a dream come true if they gave AlphaDream the authority to start SMRPG 2 or remake it. I'm surprised that it made it on the SNES Classic and Chrono Trigger didn't. Very weird.

Hmm, maybe this is why the M&L RPG are being remade, to save up their budget to buy the rights to Super Mario RPG? Whatever Nintendo's doing that involves SMRPG, it's got to be something. Hopefully it's a Geno DLC announcement plus a SMRPG remake or sequel for the Switch, because would be perfect.

Wait a minute, what if this is why Geno isn't in the game yet? If he's owned by Nintendo now, maybe they want to make him DLC for fan service and to use him for promoting the next SMRPG game?

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendo, please buy Geno off of Square. I'd really appreciate it.

 

[Datboigeno]

Me neither, I was talking about the simple idea of Nintendo buying SMRPG content.
Just because I don't know how intellectual property works for sure.

I would like to know this too. For as many fluff pieces in videogame journalism there are I would love to read an article going into exactly how character usage between companies works, how they're paid, how buying all of a characters rights works, etc. It'd basically be a public service at this point for how often it comes up in crossover games and whatnot.

 

[MondoMega]

Let's hope Nintendo bought EVERYTHING, because that would be a dream come true if they gave AlphaDream the authority to start SMRPG 2 or remake it. I'm surprised that it made it on the SNES Classic and Chrono Trigger didn't. Very weird.

Hmm, maybe this is why the M&L RPG are being remade, to save up their budget to buy the rights to Super Mario RPG? Whatever Nintendo's doing that involves SMRPG, it's got to be something. Hopefully it's a Geno DLC announcement plus a SMRPG remake or sequel for the Switch, because would be perfect.

Wait a minute, what if this is why Geno isn't in the game yet? If he's owned by Nintendo now, maybe they want to make him DLC for fan service and to use him for promoting the next SMRPG game?

We know AlphaDream are moving to the Switch now after Bowser's Inside Story DX, so we can only hope that they are somehow working on a Super Mario RPG Remake (or sequel, either works).

 

[HolyKnight]

Let's hope Nintendo bought EVERYTHING, because that would be a dream come true if they gave AlphaDream the authority to start SMRPG 2 or remake it. I'm surprised that it made it on the SNES Classic and Chrono Trigger didn't. Very weird.

Hmm, maybe this is why the M&L RPG are being remade, to save up their budget to buy the rights to Super Mario RPG? Whatever Nintendo's doing that involves SMRPG, it's got to be something. Hopefully it's a Geno DLC announcement plus a SMRPG remake or sequel for the Switch, because would be perfect.

Wait a minute, what if this is why Geno isn't in the game yet? If he's owned by Nintendo now, maybe they want to make him DLC for fan service and to use him for promoting the next SMRPG game?

please let this be it. i will ask for nothing else.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I would like to know this too. For as many fluff pieces in videogame journalism there are I would love to read an article going into exactly how character usage between companies works, how they're paid, how buying all of a characters rights works, etc. It'd basically be a public service at this point for how often it comes up in crossover games and whatnot.

Kind of reminds me of the situation with Walt Disney's first big hit; Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. Those companies were in a stalemate for YEARS with Universal doing jack **** with him until Oswald finally got traded for a sport's commentator of all things.
Oswald/ Geno crossover art when?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

And I have my own personal reasons for trusting Hitagi quite a lot.

The guy who claims that spirits disconfirm fighters, hasn't gotten a Smash info correct yet?

I mean, sure, according to him, Phoenix Wright may have a chance, but are you really sure we can trust him?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

This is probably the worst place to ask, but do you know if they do support threads for wanted music tracks in the game?

This section is for characters or for series support. There might be something in Smash Ultimate General's section, though.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

The guy who claims that spirits disconfirm fighters, hasn't gotten a Smash info correct yet?

I mean, sure, according to him, Phoenix Wright may have a chance, but are you really sure we can trust him?

Hitagi saying Phoenix is new to me. Sauce?

 

[Datboigeno]

Kind of reminds me of the situation with Walt Disney's first big hit; Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. Those companies were in a stalemate for YEARS with Universal doing jack **** with him until Oswald finally got traded for a sport's commentator of all things.
Oswald/ Geno crossover art when?

So basically Nintendo needs to find someone from Nintendo Treehouse to trade the SMRPG rights for.....

 

[FalconFire93]

So basically Nintendo needs to find someone from Nintendo Treehouse to trade the SMRPG rights for.....

Anyone for Geno would do.

 

[The Anigriffin]

The guy who claims that spirits disconfirm fighters, hasn't gotten a Smash info correct yet?

I mean, sure, according to him, Phoenix Wright may have a chance, but are you really sure we can trust him?

And Granblue and Minecraft Steve...

I don’t trust them either.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Hitagi saying Phoenix is new to me. Sauce?

He never said Phoenix specifically. There are two things. One, the idea that the lack of a spirit in-game raises one's chances was spoken by him when he said spirits disconfirm.

Secondly, when I or someone else asked him about Phoenix Wright, he didn't disconfirm him like he did with countless others when asked. He just joked and gave a non-answer but never a "No" flat out.

Unfortunately, LaxChris got ahold of that and you can guess where things went with that. :U

Nothing concrete, but certainly more of a chance.

Not that it matters. Wright's chances are keen regardless of whatever Hitagi says.

No and that's the weird thing. Dragon Quest is the only thing that has any real talk aside from some people chiming with "oh, I've heard Yuri" and "yeah man, I've heard Lloyd" since the summer. All the Minecraft stuff goes back to August and nothing new has been heard since.

Hmmmmm. Yeah, he's getting set up for another Joker scenario it sounds like.

 

[FalconFire93]

The guy who claims that spirits disconfirm fighters, hasn't gotten a Smash info correct yet?

I mean, sure, according to him, Phoenix Wright may have a chance, but are you really sure we can trust him?

I haven’t trusted him from the start.

 

[MondoMega]

So basically Nintendo needs to find someone from Nintendo Treehouse to trade the SMRPG rights for.....

I guess that's why Damon Baker is leaving Nintendo. The last third-party he communicated with was Square.

I wish.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

The guy who claims that spirits disconfirm fighters, hasn't gotten a Smash info correct yet?

I mean, sure, according to him, Phoenix Wright may have a chance, but are you really sure we can trust him?

No offense to Hitagi, but I sincerely hope everything he's presented turns out to be wrong. Nothing personal.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

No offense to Hitagi, but I sincerely hope everything he's presented turns out to be wrong. Nothing personal.

Oh don't worry. Him being wrong won't negate Phoenix. He didn't even directly confirm him. Might be thankful for that in the long run.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Oh don't worry. Him being wrong won't negate Phoenix. He didn't even directly confirm him. Might be thankful for that in the long run.

Phoenix would be really cool, I wouldn't even be mad. But spirits deconfirming on top of steve being one of the DLC characters just isn't a reality I want to be a part of.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

No and that's the weird thing. Dragon Quest is the only thing that has any real talk aside from some people chiming with "oh, I've heard Yuri" and "yeah man, I've heard Lloyd" since the summer. All the Minecraft stuff goes back to August and nothing new has been heard since. I do think the Geno and NoA relation is weird because there's no real reason for NoA to push it. Company social media has a lot of checks and balances so for them to suddenly "celebrate" SMRPG in 2018 is really weird.




-Simply put, a lot is now pointing to DQ being decided a long time ago, maybe even as far back as the base roster. Even people super close to Atlus were blindsided by Joker so it points to the remaining four characters being treated significantly differently. My thought is that DQ was possibly intended for base but the development of DQ XI for Switch kept getting sidelined because of Kingdom Hearts III and the Final Fantasy VII remake.

-The only Square Enix character that has decent evidence in their favor at this time is someone from DQ but that's not saying much when its literally the only DLC character that has this. Aside from rumors, everything else is a blank slate at the moment. Joker was all but unknown and the remaining 3 are almost complete mysteries.

-Probably. We just know that Square was a huge pain to work with but we don't know why. DQ's liscensing quagmire (giggity) is a possible explanation but not confirmed. Square's expectations for DLC could be another. Some say Square tried to double dip with Cloud but that's just a rumor. I think there might have been an honest attempt to get it in base but someone, either Nintendo or Square, slammed on the brakes for whatever reason and DQ stuff has been on freeze since.

-Can't disclose that but some people are saying it's fake or at least questionable so it might be moot either way.

Honestly, this all seems to be facilitating further, the idea that there's no second Square rep in the DLC, given all the trouble Square Enix has been if this information is to be believed. Especially if they're keeping all the DLC information tight enough to leave insiders bamboozled.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

This section is for characters or for series support. There might be something in Smash Ultimate General's section, though.

I know this section is for the characters. xD

If the topic about a requested music track doesn't exist, you want me to talk about a requested music track in the general discussion, correct?
It's actually a specific music track that was in the Smash Ultimate demo, is it okay if I just talk about that, or do I have to talk about it in a "What music tracks do you want to see?" forum thread? I know our Geno thread has stood out to many, but do music track requests do too, if let's say... it gets a lot of support?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

This sounds likely, honestly. There's actually a photo of Sakurai with the creator of DQ and a few other people together, dated around 2016 (it was posted in the Seven Squares thread, you might

Huh. Funnily enough. Sakurai did also share a photo with Shu Takumi that same year.

This is getting deliciously promising and interesting if these are trends of the same fruit.

 

[MondoMega]

Huh. Funnily enough. Sakurai did also share a photo with Shu Takumi that same year.

This is getting deliciously promising and interesting if these are trends of the same fruit.

I posted that photo here earlier today actually. Hideki Kamiya is also in the picture, so...

GODOT CONFIRMED FOR SMASH!

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I posted that photo here earlier today actually. Hideki Kamiya is also in the picture, so...

GODOT CONFIRMED FOR SMASH!

Hmmmmm. He could make quite a decent echo/alt for Phoenix Trite.

All joking aside, Kamiya does technically have a leg in Smash himself with Bayonetta in there. Could indeed be Smashing business between the three at hand!

 

[childishgamgeno]

Got Geno spirit today. My heart did a thing when I encountered his spirit. My idiot self thought he would show up in the character select screen. Here’s hoping he does one day

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Honestly, this all seems to be facilitating further, the idea that there's no second Square rep in the DLC, given all the trouble Square Enix has been if this information is to be believed. Especially if they're keeping all the DLC information tight enough to leave insiders bamboozled.

We can't forget that some people or insiders can get the right DLC, but only by guessing. Some guessed about Joker and got it, so someone guessing any Square-related character could be DLC, that is if there is one. So no matter what, no one still knows who the DLC are, but someone can guess them without knowing they're right or wrong.

 

[SSGuy]

I can't give specifics unless approved because it can implicate people and this has to be taken seriously.

1. A lot of insiders are regular Joes and people like Vergeben and Polar Panda are just the spokespeople. Most are very incognito and don't want people knowing who they are or even what they do. I do agree that this is what gives Polar Panda a leg up but it's also significantly more risky and a few people have figured it out and threatened to expose them.

2. Sometimes it involves stuff that's not illegal but super hard frowned upon like datamining and sharing office memos. At the very least it's usually considered to be very unprofessional and at worst a fireable offense depending on the company.

3. People have been fired because of stuff that's gotten out and a big reason why Hitagi and Vergeben have backed off significantly and why people like Polar and Xenother kind of bounce in and bounce out nowadays.

Like I said, I'm just a guy that sits at the table and relays stuff you all would think is interesting , even when it's vague.

It's mainly KronoXIV's doing because of him providing the names to begin with. It's a shame that insiders sometimes cannot be held accountable to some extent but what can you do? We are at some part all guilty for continuously asking for this kind of information. I wonder why there was a backlash after the list came out instead of earlier when we were already speculating the same characters that would later be revealed on the list? (Geno, Slime, Erdrick etc)


I also thought of the best possible way to reveal Geno!

During the Nintendo Direct, the last thing shown off or near the end of the direct, Super Mario RPG Remastered is revealed. It introduces us to all our favorite characters again highlighting Geno and Mallow in the trailer. After the 'actual' reveal trailer is over, it extends to an in game clip in Star Hill. Geno appears over a lone wish star on Star Hill. The text prompt then reads 'I want Geno in Smash Bros' It then cuts to Geno appearing on battlefield and proceeds with his Smash Bros trailer. Very similar to the Isabelle/Animal Crossing 2019 reveal but in reverse. At this point would be an outstanding way to kill two birds with one stone.

Nothing new on the Geno front and it's just weird. Like I've talked about in the past, the way he's talked about is different from Sora who most people say is just totally out of the running because what is known. Vergeben's main source said Geno was leak bait but said he thought this for "personal reasons" so, again, it's weird, especially with NoA's behavior thrown in. Most people just agree with Vergeben's source because of their track record.

Also Fatmanonice if you do have the opportunity, can you 'PM' me or at least fill me in on the 'personal reasons' thing? I am not understanding why a source would discount a character's chances because of 'reasons.'

 

[paper roxy]

if hitagi ends up being right, i hope i get sent to another timeline where the smash ultimate dlc was actually worth anything