Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Ze Diglett]

Okay, so how will we all react if Geno (somehow) isn't the Square rep?

In that scenario, I'll resign myself to the fate that this DLC is more than likely going to be **** and try to enjoy the game for what it is before Steve comes to town.

 

[Nekoo]

I think that's why there has been a lot of clashes with this too. "Why would Geno be the one chosen to talk about more, especially against Sephiroth, one of the most iconic video game villains out there? Hello?! Are you that profoundly stupid?!" It's that sort of thing and why lines in the sand have been drawn so strongly especially since the source said that nobody knows what was ultimately decided. Going back to my joke yesterday, Welcome to Speculation Hell! One, the other, both, none? Who ****in' knows?! It's a real nail biter no matter how you slice it.

Honestly, what hurt more in this Rumour is that Sora seems to have been the first pick, but Square-Enix was assholes , and even shocked both Nomura and Hashimoto, who's kinda like the VP of Square-Enix lmao, which would be extremely surprising, but also such a ****ty move

 

[MajoraMan28]

Eh? I don't recall hearing this one. What's the context?

The guy who came to us about this said that Geno was the one they know for sure got discussed for DLC, and that Sephiroth was another one they knew was going to get discussed, with Sora being the one that fell through. Again, this isn't coming from my source or anything, and the person came out of completely nowhere so I wouldn't think on it too much (or name them, for that matter). It's unrelated to my source.

Btw, who shot down Sora? Nintendo or S-E?

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Geno vs Sephiroth is definitely David vs Goliath in a general video game scope, but perhaps Geno will conquer and be the chosen one. I'll be great with either though.

 

[beans]

I think that's why there has been a lot of clashes with this too. "Why would Geno be the one chosen to talk about more, especially against Sephiroth, one of the most iconic video game villains out there? Hello?! Are you that profoundly stupid?!" It's that sort of thing and why lines in the sand have been drawn so strongly especially since the source said that nobody knows what was ultimately decided. Going back to my joke yesterday, Welcome to Speculation Hell! One, the other, both, none? Who ****in' knows?! It's a real nail biter no matter how you slice it.

Sounds belieavable.
SE could've let the names on who would be discussed slip, but would make sure that the outcome is a no-no.
If someone comes out with it, they will be sniped.

 

[waterhasataste]

Btw, who shot down Sora? Nintendo or S-E?

Square it looks like.

 

[valkiriforce]

Honestly from what that JC Rodrigo guy said about DLC I'm positive there's bound to be some interesting characters, and I think Geno is a very real possibility. It could go either way, but I will remain hopeful all the same.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Woah! Okay... I didn't expect you to come right out with it but since it's on the table... uh... there it is...

...Oh my. Not sure if I can take this suspense.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

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Hmm. Actually, and thankfully, there's absolutely no mention of Sephiroth being labeled as a "no-go". In fact, Sephorith even gets mentioned as potentially being discussed as well while Sora is the one who's the "no-go" apparently.

 

[childishgamgeno]

Yeah, uh... the person connected to Square Enix that reached out to Polar's source said Sora fell through and the two finalists were Sephiroth and Geno, with Geno being the one that went in for serious negotiations. Like I've been saying, this could all be fake but it connects a ton of dots including events we know that happened and explains things we've been wondering about for months.

It would explain why Verge was hearing Sephiroth a lot at first. And it would corroborate the Mii Costume theory.

However, it wouldn't explain the sudden influx of Dragon Quest information. Where is that coming from? Maybe Spirits? AT? Mii Costume?

I feel like Geno's made it pretty late into the game here, if that stuff's true. I'm pretty proud no matter what the outcome, cuz this character is like 99% buoyed by the fans. However far he's made it, it's all cuz of folks like around here who have supported the guy so long. There's just something appropriate about "wishes" being the thing that sustains him.

Yeah, I love the fact that fans still carry Geno on their back for so long. I feel like that alone is one of the reasons why he should be in. No one's had this kind of traction from an old game. (SMRPG is older than Banjo and GS)

So, here's my thoughts on this: Geno is a spirit in the game, not just any spirit but the highest tier of spirit. Right now, while spirits aren't yet confirmed to be a solid deconfirmation of a character, the fact that Geno's spirit is given such weight makes me think our end result is most likely Sephiroth, especially given the bizarre lack of Final Fantasy spirits. Those would, logically, be added with a Sephiroth DLC, along with hopefully more music (you can't let Sephiroth in the game without One Winged Angel, can you?) and a new stage, which could be Nibelheim or something. In this scenario, the Geno spirit is a compromise in negotiations.

Would love to be wrong, though, Geno is my man. This is also all dependent on Panda's sources being accurate, of course.

I could see this being viable. However, Spirits can be leveled up. Maybe Geno starts on Legendary (he almost has to because theres no art for him to level into) but, for example, Dixie Kong levels up and at her 3rd or 4th level is the art from DKC3. She still gets a Mii Costume hat in game, so for now, I don't think Legendary status really affects DLC potential reps.

 

[beans]

Btw, who shot down Sora? Nintendo or S-E?

Definitely SE
Sora would look like too much of a hassle with a quick look over him.
Nomura is big respected with the Disney talk and he would probaly make it work.
Just makes it even more salty

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah, so, if true, Geno made it into the boss's office and I'm a 30 year old man with my voice cracking and eyes welling up as I say it aloud. *big unflattering snort* No matter what happens, you all are great and I'm exceptionally proud to have been a part of this fanbase for all these years.

 

[beans]

Honestly, what hurt more in this Rumour is that Sora seems to have been the first pick, but Square-Enix was ******** , and even shocked both Nomura and Hashimoto, who's kinda like the VP of Square-Enix lmao, which would be extremely surprising, but also such a ****ty move

I kinda had a theory, were the Hashimoto tweet was deleted because it hinted at the possible negotiantions for Sora, but before the quick denial
It would certainly surprise him if it was rejected so easily.

 

[Sigran101]

So it's down to Geno and Sephiroth? Those are the two square reps I wanted! Either way I win! I'm so hyped! I know this isn't fully confirmed but it's hard to contain my excitement!

 

[Nekoo]

So it's down to Geno and Sephiroth? Those are the two square reps I wanted! Either way I win! I'm so hyped! I know this isn't fully confirmed but it's hard to contain my excitement!

Insert VGA Reveals of a Dragon Quest characters

 

[MajoraMan28]

Definitely SE
Sora would look like too much of a hassle with a quick look over him.
Nomura is big respected with the Disney talk and he would probaly make it work.
Just makes it even more salty

This sucks ass dude. I feel sorry for Sora fans. :/
And I'm not surprised. I've been following S-E even after their demise, in the hopes of them being reborn, but all I see is their leadership being lost amidst people who lack the love and passion for their own IPs

Insert VGA Reveals of a Dragon Quest characters

I don't think the troll face was ever this greatly used.

 

[EarlTamm]

Honestly, what hurt more in this Rumour is that Sora seems to have been the first pick, but Square-Enix was ******** , and even shocked both Nomura and Hashimoto, who's kinda like the VP of Square-Enix lmao, which would be extremely surprising, but also such a ****ty move

I don't think saying no in of itself is a ****ty move, especially with how many factors are involved with Sora. If they did it in a ****ty way, then that is kinda crummy.

 

[beans]

Yeah, so, if true, Geno made it into the boss's office and I'm a 30 year old man with my voice cracking and eyes welling up as I say it aloud. *big unflattering snort* No matter what happens, you all are great and I'm exceptionally proud to have been a part of this fanbase for all these years.

Oh man, what a ****ty day to be raining

I don't think saying no in of itself is a ****ty move, especially with how many factors are involved with Sora. If they did it in a ****ty way, then that is kinda crummy.

Picture it like this:
You create a character that becomes really popular, becoming one of the big names in the companie's legacy, and you continue to work there.
You've been working your ass hard for the company, being involved in several different projects at the same time, one of them was even reavealed without you knowing that you would be the director. When your character has a chance to join into the biggest crossover in gaming and it gets rejected day 1, what would be your reaction?

 

[Nekoo]

I don't think saying no in of itself is a ****ty move, especially with how many factors are involved with Sora. If they did it in a ****ty way, then that is kinda crummy.

I mean, the story want that it shocked the creator enought to creator a rally against it.
So I'm sure it was in a perhaps ****ty way. I wouldn't see Hashimoto and Nomura, especially with how the two are actually passionate about the fans and their licences get shocked like that if it was a simple refusal.

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

Insert VGA Reveals of a Dragon Quest characters

The whole Fighter's Pass is nothing but 4 Dragon Quest characters and also the protagonist of The Quiet Man

 

[childishgamgeno]

I also wonder if the reason Sora was rejected is the reason why, if this is true, DQ wasn't even considered? Too many other people to work with/through? I don't think rejecting Sora is a "screw Sora" move, they might be trying to focus on characters specifically and solely owned by Square...? Although I'm sure Nomura would've wanted to make a Sora a new "Smash Suit" and appearance and THAT would've been REALLY cool.

I think that's why there has been a lot of clashes with this too. "Why would Geno be the one chosen to talk about more, especially against Sephiroth, one of the most iconic video game villains out there? Hello?! Are you that profoundly stupid?!" It's that sort of thing and why lines in the sand have been drawn so strongly especially since the source said that nobody knows what was ultimately decided. Going back to my joke yesterday, Welcome to Speculation Hell! One, the other, both, none? Who ****in' knows?! It's a real nail biter no matter how you slice it.

Yeah, so, if true, Geno made it into the boss's office and I'm a 30 year old man with my voice cracking and eyes welling up as I say it aloud. *big unflattering snort* No matter what happens, you all are great and I'm exceptionally proud to have been a part of this fanbase for all these years.

Wow, when I think about it that way...like...WE did that. WE did. We carried Geno all the way into the Boss's office when they thought we forgot about him. That's pretty powerful.

I'm willing to bet if the Ballot was brought up or had any influence its only more points in Geno's favor. REALLY hoping it's not infinite reach/would have to make the sword not to scale Sephiroth. (sorry Sephy fans)

 

[Sigran101]

The whole Fighter's Pass is nothing but 4 Dragon Quest characters and also the protagonist of The Quiet Man

And three of the four Dragon Quest characters are slimes with different colored bandanas.

 

[childishgamgeno]

And three of the four Dragon Quest characters are slimes with different colored bandanas.

The fourth one is Metal Slime

 

[EarlTamm]

I mean, the story want that it shocked the creator enought to creator a rally against it.
So I'm sure it was in a perhaps ****ty way. I wouldn't see Hashimoto and Nomura, especially with how the two are actually passionate about the fans and their licences get shocked like that if it was a simple refusal.

I think it more went down in a similar way to how Square left Nintendo. They wanted something(Nintendo to transition to CD's), they were loyal, they worked with Nintendo completely expecting that there call would be heard, and Nintendo just went there own way with no harm really meant.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Slime has officially become a meme.
Watch out. You might end up liking him for his meme status. XD
But I'm enjoying what I'm seeing.

 

[Sigran101]

Fatmanonice how legitimate would you consider this info? I know Polarpanda's stance is that it's fairly untrustworthy. And is there a general consensus among insiders?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Insert VGA Reveals of a Dragon Quest characters

Ugh. I would legit hate that. Though not for the reasons you may think.

I absolutely don't want something generic like a Slime, but the worst thing... is the thought of any money from Smash going into that reprehensible composer's pocket.

At least Umetatsu is someone respectful.

 

[beans]

I think it more went down in a similar way to how Square left Nintendo. They wanted something(Nintendo to transition to CD's), they were loyal, they worked with Nintendo completely expecting that there call would be heard, and Nintendo just went there own way with no harm really meant.

I'm pretty sure it was already stated that when the character got rejected and the creator and higher ups reacted, SE doubled down on the reject.
I'm not sure if I remenber it correctly tough

 

[Fatmanonice]

I mean, the story want that it shocked the creator enought to creator a rally against it.
So I'm sure it was in a perhaps ****ty way. I wouldn't see Hashimoto and Nomura, especially with how the two are actually passionate about the fans and their licences get shocked like that if it was a simple refusal.

Yeah, I don't really even care for Sora but this aspect flat out sucks. By the account, it was really dismissive to the point that it may not have even been discussed. "Hmmm, Sora. Nope. Next..." That sort of thing. It's then implied that Square doubled down because they saw the pushback as insubordination, basically slamming their fists down when it seemed like the creators were actually going to try to start an online campaign to get Square to change their mind. Stereotypical but that would absolutely not fly in Japanese work culture and would be considered a grave insult to authority.

 

[The Anigriffin]

The whole Fighter's Pass is nothing but 4 Dragon Quest characters and also the protagonist of The Quiet Man

The darkest timeline.

 

[beans]

Yeah, I don't really even care for Sora but this aspect flat out sucks. By the account, it was really dismissive to the point that it may not have even been discussed. "Hmmm, Sora. Nope. Next..." That sort of thing. It's then implied that Square doubled down because they saw the pushback as insubordination, basically slamming their fists down when it seemed like the creators were actually going to try to start an online campaign to get Square to change their mind. Stereotypical but that would absolutely not fly in Japanese work culture and would be considered a grave insult to authority.

The fact it sounds dickish its a reason I want it to be fake.
But it is SE and the fact it is something that totally would happen, makes me sad.
How did they come to thus point.

 

[Ezclapper]

Well. ****.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The story coming down to Geno vs Sephiroth. Lol. The most obvious ones of them all in terms of Smash connections.

 

[Potatu]

The story coming down to Geno vs Sephiroth. Lol. The most obvious ones of them all in terms of Smash connections.

Quick, somebody mod Geno in FF7 by replacing him with Cloud and have him fight Sephiroth!

 

[Rummy]

Oh uh. Yes i was drinking Ice Cap from Timmies. If you have questions, do ping me or contact me on Discord. There's really nothing new i have to say unless it's regarding questions about what we have heard.

 

[mbvswb]

just out of curiosity, why should we trust the sources in this thread?

 

[A.G.L.]

So it looks like a no go on Sora. That is unfortunate especially if you thrown in Nomura pleading with Square to reconsider. I will say Square in a way has screwed Nomura over before. He was originally in charge of FF15, then Square moved him to different projects and gave the reigns to Tabata. Nomura was not in favor of this, and to this day he still looks unfavorably at how FF15 turned out.

I still do not think Sora was the one turned down and instead it was Dragon Quest, due to it having way more problems than Sora does. Hopefully The Game Awards will show us who the 2nd Square Rep is. I personally prefer Sephiroth, but Geno would be a great pick also.

 

[Nekoo]

just out of curiosity, why should we trust the sources in this thread?

Why not?

 

[beans]

Quick, somebody mod Geno in FF7 by replacing him with Cloud and have him fight Sephiroth!

Geno would totally be a Barret.
Since both have gun-arm.

 

[Ezclapper]

So it looks liking like a no go on Sora. That is unfortunate especially if you thrown in Nomura pleading with Square to reconsider. I will say Square in a way has screwed Nomura over before. He was originally in charge of FF15, then Square moved him to different projects and gave the reigns to Tabata. Nomura was not in favor of this, and to this day he still looks unfavorably at how FF15 turned out.

I still do not think Sora was the one turned down and instead it was Dragon Quest, due to it having way more problems than Sora does. Hopefully The Game Awards will show us who the 2nd Square Rep is. I personally prefer Sephiroth, but Geno would be a great pick also.

It’s all speculation at this point but not gonna lie, if Sora got in, SE would’ve had to be playing some hardcore 4D chess