Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Trevenant]

Yeah, these guys seem to know dates but they are getting the directs themselves wrong. Mario collection will probably be revealed but considering how these guys always seem adamant a direct is coming and it then ends up being a partner showcase, if they outright say a direct is coming I wouldn't trust it which they kind of haven't. They were all adamant that first party stuff would be in it but then as soon as the partner showcase was announced Nate Drake flat out said that was our direct as soon as it actually happened. They seem to be fairly accurate with dates but the actual contents is what they seem to have no idea about.

Mario 3D remaster would have to be revealed tomorrow or Monday to be a September release, as however much Covid has affected Nintendo they haven't gone against the grain thus far as all titles have been announced at least 2 or 3 months in advance. In the same month feasibly doesn't make much sense to do either anyway tbh.

As for Smash, as there probably won't be an outlet to reveal anything for a while and we have approximately 15 months until the deadline comes with 5 characters, that means one every 3 months fits like a glove which means we should hopefully get one in September this month. No other outlet exists so the most likely outcome of the character is revealed is this month (which, contrary to popular belief, is nowhere near confirmed) we could get something like Byleth. I'm still sceptical since he is the only character it has TRULY happened with but they were one month away from the pass deadline so it made sense to do while we still have 15 months with this one. I've been seeing a lot of people saying challenger pack 7 is 'undeniably going to be in September' but no amount of optimism will ever make that the case as we just don't know until we have confirmation. Likelihood is one thing but saying it's a lock isn't at all right

 

[Wiley]

Wrong. All businesses owe something. The reputation of the past does not entitle anyone to special treatment. That's just complacency and enabling mediocrity.

Sure it does. Are you saying Michael Jordan doesn’t deserve respect because he’s not sinking 40 points a game anymore? Or looking down on him as a basketball player because he tried playing baseball?

I’m not enabling anything, I’m just saying those two are champions of the gaming industry. I’m not happy with current day Nintendo just like I’m not happy with current day Star Wars... but I’m not letting that affect my past experiences.

We’re talking about entertainment...... they owe us nothing. Artists don’t owe you new works because you want more. Gaming is just interactive art. You can ask for more, but no one owes us anything. I’m basically just saying lower your expectations from these older creators or go create your own magical worlds and share them with us.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure it does. Are you saying Michael Jordan doesn’t deserve respect because he’s not sinking 40 points a game anymore? Or looking down on him as a basketball player because he tried playing baseball?

I’m not enabling anything, I’m just saying those two are champions of the gaming industry. I’m not happy with current day Nintendo just like I’m not happy with current day Star Wars... but I’m not letting that affect my past experiences.

We’re talking about entertainment...... they owe us nothing. Artists don’t owe you new works because you want more. Gaming is just interactive art. You can ask for more, but no one owes us anything. I’m basically just saying lower your expectations from these older creators or go create your own magical worlds and share them with us.

If you're paying 20 dollars a year for their online service, I'd say Nintendo owes you something... But shame on me for being a consumer with standards.

 

[Wiley]

If you're paying 20 dollars a year for their online service, I'd say Nintendo owes you something... But shame on me for being a consumer with standards.

Just like I’m owed fighters for the pass I bought in advance.

But I mean. No one is forcing you to pay 20 dollars, and read the fine print, you know what you’re getting with that 20 bucks, and none of that includes promises for information whenever you want it or games that you want when you want them.

It’s for online services and access to Virtual console shenanigans. If you don’t want that, cancel your next sub.

You’re not paying 20 bucks for Myamoto to bend over backwards for you.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I’d say Nintendo owes people who’ve already bought the pass update so what’s happening with the content they purchased. At the very least, give us quarters for when to expect the characters like Capcom’s doing with the new SFV season.

Nintendo being so petrified of publicly delaying things is getting really old.

 

[MattX20]

I’d say Nintendo owes people who’ve already bought the pass update so what’s happening with the content they purchased. At the very least, give us quarters for when to expect the characters like Capcom’s doing with the new SFV season.

Nintendo being so petrified of publicly delaying things is getting really old.

That, and while it's true that the deadline for the release for the entire pass is December of next year, it seems counterproductive from a marketing standpoint to have less than 1/3 of the pass revealed and released before the end of this year.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sure it does. Are you saying Michael Jordan doesn’t deserve respect because he’s not sinking 40 points a game anymore? Or looking down on him as a basketball player because he tried playing baseball?

I’m not enabling anything, I’m just saying those two are champions of the gaming industry. I’m not happy with current day Nintendo just like I’m not happy with current day Star Wars... but I’m not letting that affect my past experiences.

We’re talking about entertainment...... they owe us nothing. Artists don’t owe you new works because you want more. Gaming is just interactive art. You can ask for more, but no one owes us anything. I’m basically just saying lower your expectations from these older creators or go create your own magical worlds and share them with us.

Not to mention it feels very ignorant/arrogant to drag the devs themselves into this stuff. They're artists, and as you said, they don't owe us more; while the fans may want something, fans can't expect the artists to deliver, as the artists made the stuff in the first place and may not like the ideas some fans have for their creation or never intended to continue it in the first place, and as much as it stinks for us who love these games, characters and stuff and really want these ideas, it's perfectly understandable (even if Miyamoto may or may not be the one who's too strict with unique characters being used again/appearing in spinoffs and unique individuals of already-existing character species and the NPC Toads in older Mario RPGs; as for Sakurai, he's not even a Nintendo employee anymore and hasn't been for a longtime, he just still loves his creation and is willing to work on it whenever Nintendo wants him to, and he can't choose when to reveal stuff himself).

However I can see Nintendo as a whole owing people (in a way) since they're the business promising more cool games and stuff to their invested customers, even if we have to get out our wallets to have any of it (though you could also mention how its our fault in the first place so idk, not sure how this should all work, but I guess they do owe us when it comes to stuff like the Smash fighters pass; we gotta have our money's worth). A business can't just sit down and do nothing, they want to make money, and while some fans would still be angery and outraged, they could at least give us some communication regarding why they're taking so much time instead of being needlessly scared to announce delays for any of their first-party games, and I'm sure a lot of us would be fine (well, don't know about anyone else, however I would be personally, and really I already am tbh, just a bit anxious about the Mario rumors and the next Smash fighter, though the disappointment of no Nintendo first-party news is getting tiring, I'm just gonna try and expect nothing now while waiting for Pikmin 3 Deluxe...). It's pretty clear they've delayed stuff even ignoring what insiders have said; well, at least when it comes to Smash, not sure about other stuff tbh...though, the new form of "Direct" for third-parties only could hint that they're struggling with their own stuff...

 

[Wiley]

Don’t want to ruffle any feathers and I’m not a blind sheep defending the wolf. Just trying to lower the pitchforks. Here’s to some good news ASAP and I hope everyone is doing well in life

 

[Fatmanonice]

Early September is only just a few days away, we're almost there

I'm just annoyed because this is the third time this year when it has come to dates that I'm been peer pressured into going along with the REAL INSIDERS © and discard my own thinking and conclusions. These past two months have been some real Charlie Brown football **** when it comes to this stuff.

"Don't worry Fatman; the professionals are totally right on the Direct date this time. Last time was just a fluke; it will absolutely happen this time."

"Okay, just so that people aren't constantly on my back, I'll take their word for it... Hey, it looks like it might actually pan out this time! I'll finally be freed of this curse and... "

 

[Icewolff92]

If you're paying 20 dollars a year for their online service, I'd say Nintendo owes you something... But shame on me for being a consumer with standards.

The only thing they owe us on that part is a better online service and arguably a better library on the "SNESO/NESO" when it comes to that. But thats it

 

[Vector Victor]

I’d say Nintendo owes people who’ve already bought the pass update so what’s happening with the content they purchased. At the very least, give us quarters for when to expect the characters like Capcom’s doing with the new SFV season.

Nintendo being so petrified of publicly delaying things is getting really old.

Which is odd as they delayed plenty of games before. In fact, they are the ones that made that quote saying how delays are temporary but rushed bad games are bad forever.

Ocarina of Time was infamously delayed for years, but they still offered new screenshots and updates. But now? They seem terrified to even acknowledge a games existence until it is literally out the door to stores.

Put it this way: them not saying a thing is doing FAR more damage to their image than any delay. And while they have success NOW, that doesn't mean next year will be a success to them. Their current business model of not advertising is going to bite them on the *** and the impact will really go in right around the time Sony and Microsoft's new consoles have stabilized and are going full steam ahead.

Even with the issues of releasing new games, the fact is that they aren't pushing better online, offering more games for the NSO or doing easy ports to capitalize on this stay at home timeline while their competitors are distracted pushing new consoles. Its like they are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Sure it does. Are you saying Michael Jordan doesn’t deserve respect because he’s not sinking 40 points a game anymore? Or looking down on him as a basketball player because he tried playing baseball?

I’m not enabling anything, I’m just saying those two are champions of the gaming industry. I’m not happy with current day Nintendo just like I’m not happy with current day Star Wars... but I’m not letting that affect my past experiences.

We’re talking about entertainment...... they owe us nothing. Artists don’t owe you new works because you want more. Gaming is just interactive art. You can ask for more, but no one owes us anything. I’m basically just saying lower your expectations from these older creators or go create your own magical worlds and share them with us.

They owe me if they're still making art. If MJ was stinking it up on the courts every night I'd tell him to get his old ass off my TV screen! Besides, none of that is even the point. This isn't about art. It's about corporate incompetence and i will not yield on the matter.

 

[Firox]

Sure it does. Are you saying Michael Jordan doesn’t deserve respect because he’s not sinking 40 points a game anymore? Or looking down on him as a basketball player because he tried playing baseball?

While I agree with you that those OG Nintendo stars deserve respect, I think it's worth mentioning that your example has a slight flaw in its logic. Does Michael Jordan deserve respect for being a legend in his time? Sure. But if he came out of retirement to continue playing and couldn't land a shot, do you think his team/sponsors wouldn't have an issue with that? The point being made is that certain devs definitely deserve street cred, but that's not an excuse for them to drop the ball when they're still expected to drop quality products. Mind you, I'm not passing any judgment on anyone's work right now, I'm just saying that regardless of a person's legacy, if they are still in business to perform, then they need to perform or they don't deserve their consumer's money. Period.

The only thing they owe us on that part is a better online service and arguably a better library on the "SNESO/NESO" when it comes to that. But thats it

A few more colors for the Switch UI wouldn't hurt either. I still can't believe that the freaking thing has been out for, what, almost four years now and all we have is black and white? FFS, the 3DS has a dozen background colors and hundreds of wallpapers. It takes all of five minutes of programming. Would be nice if Nintendo at least PRETENDED to care about their flagship console.

 

[MattX20]

I'm just annoyed because this is the third time this year when it has come to dates that I'm been peer pressured into going along with the REAL INSIDERS © and discard my own thinking and conclusions. These past two months have been some real Charlie Brown football **** when it comes to this stuff.

"Don't worry Fatman; the professionals are totally right on the Direct date this time. Last time was just a fluke; it will absolutely happen this time."

"Okay, just so that people aren't constantly on my back, I'll take their word for it... Hey, it looks like it might actually pan out this time! I'll finally be freed of this curse and... "

I know, it's been very frustrating. Getting so many of these "nope wrong lol" situations every time is grating

 

[Vector Victor]

I know, it's been very frustrating. Getting so many of these "nope wrong lol" situations every time is grating

Its weird how some insiders are getting dates correct but the content wrong. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

[MattOnwheels]

While I agree with you that those OG Nintendo stars deserve respect, I think it's worth mentioning that your example has a slight flaw in its logic. Does Michael Jordan deserve respect for being a legend in his time? Sure. But if he came out of retirement to continue playing and couldn't land a shot, do you think his team/sponsors wouldn't have an issue with that? The point being made is that certain devs definitely deserve street cred, but that's not an excuse for them to drop the ball when they're still expected to drop quality products. Mind you, I'm not passing any judgment on anyone's work right now, I'm just saying that regardless of a person's legacy, if they are still in business to perform, then they need to perform or they don't deserve their consumer's money. Period.

I'm just confused how he thinks Miyamoto making good games years ago excuses the fact he's bad at RUNNING A BUSINESS today! Lmao.

 

[TheCJBrine]

They owe me if they're still making art. If MJ was stinking it up on the courts every night I'd tell him to get his old ass off my TV screen! Besides, none of that is even the point.

The artists themselves are not making things solely for your entertainment. The business as a whole, yeah, but don't drag the devs themselves into it; it doesn't even make any sense at all regarding Sakurai (maybe Miyamoto, idk, apparently he's not really involved much besides advising people) - and it doesn't make sense to do so to sports stars, either, or musicians, painters, etc. Artists aren't required to add/do whatever fans want if it goes against their vision.

I'm just confused how he thinks Miyamoto making good games years ago excuses the fact he's bad at RUNNING A BUSINESS today! Lmao.

Miyamoto isn't running Nintendo. He seems to be an advisor for franchises he started, and maybe does Pikmin stuff, but he doesn't control Nintendo's decisions. Sakurai can't control any of what's going on, either, being unable to reveal anything without Nintendo's thumbs up.

 

[Firox]

I'm just confused how he thinks Miyamoto making good games years ago excuses the fact he's bad at RUNNING A BUSINESS today! Lmao.

Is Miyamoto currently running all of Nintendo's executive decisions? I'm honestly not sure what their infrastructure looks like. I will say that whoever is in charge of their PR department is morbidly idiotic and should be fired post haste. Also, whoever decided that the status quo on their PAID FOR online service is acceptable needs to be beaten with Lucile.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

They owe me if they're still making art. If MJ was stinking it up on the courts every night I'd tell him to get his old ass off my TV screen! Besides, none of that is even the point. This isn't about art. It's about corporate incompetence and i will not yield on the matter.

That doesn't mean you need to use the Geno thread to soapbox Socialism...

Is Miyamoto currently running all of Nintendo's executive decisions? I'm honestly not sure what their infrastructure looks like. I will say that whoever is in charge of their PR department is morbidly idiotic and should be fired post haste. Also, whoever decided that the status quo on their PAID FOR online service is acceptable needs to be beaten with Lucile.

Agreed, honestly PR has been a huge issue for Nintendo lately.

 

[a random user]

Honestly, if the third party has any say/expectation on when the character is revealed, I'd suspect the character to be revealed a bit quicker than this... But it's doubtful that any given third party has input on when the character is revealed. They get their money up front and get consulted on their character and that's probably as much as they give a ****.

not quite the longer a game is out, the less people are likely to buy a new dlc, some people waited to buy the season pass and wont come back this cuts into the money third party's receive so they do care

 

[MattX20]

Its weird how some insiders are getting dates correct but the content wrong. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

You would think that, which makes the whole thing more bizarre and aggravating

 

[Icewolff92]

A few more colors for the Switch UI wouldn't hurt either. I still can't believe that the freaking thing has been out for, what, almost four years now and all we have is black and white? FFS, the 3DS has a dozen background colors and hundreds of wallpapers. It takes all of five minutes of programming. Would be nice if Nintendo at least PRETENDED to care about their flagship console.

Or more profile pics for that matter.

 

[Firox]

You would think that, which makes the whole thing more bizarre and aggravating

Nostradamus: "Something big is going to happen on the 15th of this month! Prepare yourselves!" (neighbor stubs his toe on the 15th)
(later that year)
Nostradamus: "Something menial and unimportant is going to happen at 5:32pm three days from now." (world is destroyed by giant meteor)

This is how the "insider" scene is feeling for me right now.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Its weird how some insiders are getting dates correct but the content wrong. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

I think that has to do with the presumed content of the Direct. Nintendo has been super hush-hush and has unleashed the hounds on any big name Twitter accounts blasting certain things. We already saw Sabi got Kurioboh's boot shoved up his ass so hard in the spring that he'll probably be walking like a duck the rest of his life and I think Sabi and Zippo being publicly punished put the fear of God in a lot of these bigger guys. For example, if Nate Drake outright said "oh yeah, Golden Sun is coming" tomorrow, the dude would probably be black bagged and water boarded with hot maple syrup by Saturday morning.

 

[Firox]

I think that has to do with the presumed content of the Direct. Nintendo has been super hush-hush and has unleashed the hounds on any big name Twitter accounts blasting certain things. We already saw Sabi got Kurioboh's boot shoved up his ass so hard in the spring that he'll probably be walking like a duck the rest of his life and I think Sabi and Zippo being publicly punished put the fear of God in a lot of these bigger guys. For example, if Nate Drake outright said "oh yeah, Golden Sun is coming" tomorrow, the dude would probably be black bagged and water boarded with hot maple syrup by Saturday morning.

If Nintendo put as much effort into RELEASING information as they do POLICING it, then they wouldn't have to be water boarding people with maple syrup in the first place.

 

[MattX20]

I really hope that everything that has transpired this year will make Nintendo rethink their marketing strategies going forward because it's not helping currently as a good chunk of their customer base has made their voices fairly clear on the subject

 

[Icewolff92]

Speculation time.

There is a rumor from Blomberg that we are getting an upgraded Nintendo Switch next year. What if they have chosen to collaborate the majority of the games we are hearing about with the "Switch Pro" knowing that Animal Crossing will more then likely carrying them this year?

 

[MattX20]

Speculation time.

There is a rumor from Blomberg that we are getting an upgraded Nintendo Switch next year. What if they have chosen to collaborate the majority of the games we are hearing about with the "Switch Pro" knowing that Animal Crossing will more then likely carrying them this year?

Yeah, I've similar rumors for something like this for a while

 

[SpectreJordan]

That, and while it's true that the deadline for the release for the entire pass is December of next year, it seems counterproductive from a marketing standpoint to have less than 1/3 of the pass revealed and released before the end of this year.

I said this in the Speculation thread yesterday, but they’ve all but killed the hype train. The transition from base game hype to FP1 hype was pretty seamless. Hell, it arguably strengthened with the shocking reveal of Joker.

But we’ve only gotten 1 character from the set of DLC that was announced almost a year ago. At this point in FP1, we were about to get our 4th character announced. It’s crazy.

I know that deadline is December 2021, but we should absolutely know who the next character is by now.

I 100% blame Nintendo too. Sakurai doesn’t seem happy about making people pay for characters that aren’t known. I also believe that character #77 is finished by now & they’re just waiting for Nintendo to let them release it.

 

[MattX20]

I said this in the Speculation thread yesterday, but they’ve all but killed the hype train. The transition from base game hype to FP1 hype was pretty seamless. Hell, it arguably strengthened with the shocking reveal of Joker.

But we’ve only gotten 1 character from the set of DLC that was announced almost a year ago. At this point in FP1, we were about to get our 4th character announced. It’s crazy.

I know that deadline is December 2021, but we should absolutely know who the next character is by now.

I 100% blame Nintendo too. Sakurai doesn’t seem happy about making people pay for characters that aren’t known. I also believe that character #77 is finished by now & they’re just waiting for Nintendo to let them release it.

I'm just hoping by years end we have up to FP8 revealed and released.

 

[TTF]

I know, it's been very frustrating. Getting so many of these "nope wrong lol" situations every time is grating

I'm at a point where, regarding Nintendo & Smash info, I'm not gonna hold my breath until something directly (no pun intended) happens.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yeah, I've similar rumors for something like this for a while

Heck, that could be a perfect bundle seller with BOTW2

 

[Wazygoose]

The timeless philosophical debate of the relationship between an artist and their audience is probably better to have in a different thread.

 

[CopperKoopa]

I'll say it again, we are going to get our direct by the middle of September. It will announce a bunch of games we didn't know about, probably ones that have been rumored, and many that won't get released until next year. Smash will be a part of it it will get at least one more character, though now I'm suspecting we will get two because if they are on schedule then two more should be ready to go.

before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that the switch lite was rumored for a long time but revealed only a few months before it launched. I think that's going to happen in this case as well. I don't think we'll hear about the pro until maybe next spring

Also sorry about typos I'm using speech to text because I'm a lazy old man who has fat thumbs

 

[Skull Leader]

Speculation time.

There is a rumor from Blomberg that we are getting an upgraded Nintendo Switch next year. What if they have chosen to collaborate the majority of the games we are hearing about with the "Switch Pro" knowing that Animal Crossing will more then likely carrying them this year?

While that isn't outside the realm of possibility, and I do believe the Switch Pro will happen, anytime before mid-late spring 2021 is a pretty big middle finger to consumers during the holiday season for a few reasons:

1. If they are holding some big titles back to launch alongside a Switch Pro, then the market they're damaging the most in the meantime is this demographic right here, adults with some form of disposable income. A majority of this demo is displeased with Nintendo because of their lack of transparency, filling the void with titles on other platforms that could have been money to Nintendo, or both.

2. With Covid still being a thing, retailers are going to be keen on earlier than usual holiday sale pushes to drive revenue up. The aim with this would be to bleed some Xmas numbers to pad early fall so yearly sales don't look so drab. Kind of a really shortsighted move for a company like Nintendo, which should have a pretty banging holiday, to be ignoring that buildup to an earlier holiday season with dead silence just to have launch titles for a system that will already sell months from now. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Granted, we don't know what's in store for September-November.

3. Should Nintendo be prepping for a very late holiday Switch Pro or a very early 2021 Switch Pro, you have minimal lead time to differentiate the two branding wise (Wii vs Wii U debacle) for some very vocal kids who got the wrong Switch from their parents. Along with this, should it launch early 2021, you then have parents (and us) shelling out money for a system and/or games that likely have a superior Pro version or won't work on the regular Switch - again aggravating a pretty important demographic for Nintendo.

tl;dr Switch Pro would be a braindead move to release before mid spring 2021. 6+ more months of silence to focus on a Switch Pro isn't a money maker either. Somethings gotta give soon.

 

[Vector Victor]

If Nintendo put as much effort into RELEASING information as they do POLICING it, then they wouldn't have to be water boarding people with maple syrup in the first place.

Yep, Nintendo is more concerned with stopping all information than releasing it. This is why insiders are being cheered because THEY are at least saying something. Its telling that we received more valid news from leakers than official Nintendo sources this year.

Nintendo is so focused on making sure every literal hair on their head lools perfect before they make their entrance to the party that they wasted time and missed the party. Except, instead of them missing the planned party entrance time by an hour, they are missing it three weeks later.

If they were holding back information to have one big massive hype explosion of fans freaking out and the masses cheering and getting all gaming news to focus on them, I'm sorry, but that shipped has sailed and they won't get that reaction when they finally do announce something. They botched the timing with being so secretive. At the last partner 'showcase,' there was a good amount of people snapping at those complaining about the content. After this next partner? There's less people trying to counter people complaining over Nintendo's moves. People are slowly starting to sway and support the complaints.

Its like those mythical Mario Anniversary games. They were met with excitement and cheering at first. Now people are resenting and getting sick of hearing about them.

 

[Nazyrus]

I would say first or second week of September, definitely not past mid September. This is how every last general direct has released in the past few years each September:

September 4, 2019
September 13, 2018
September 13, 2017
September 1, 2016

Could it be an exception this year and be later because this year sucks ass? sure, it could, but I think just by looking at the past 4 years, it's reasonable to expect something in the first half of the month.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I'm just hoping by years end we have up to FP8 revealed and released.

That would be nice but I’m starting to think we’ll be lucky to see FP7 this year. :/

 

[MattX20]

While that isn't outside the realm of possibility, and I do believe the Switch Pro will happen, anytime before mid-late spring 2021 is a pretty big middle finger to consumers during the holiday season for a few reasons:

1. If they are holding some big titles back to launch alongside a Switch Pro, then the market they're damaging the most in the meantime is this demographic right here, adults with some form of disposable income. A majority of this demo is displeased with Nintendo because of their lack of transparency, filling the void with titles on other platforms that could have been money to Nintendo, or both.

2. With Covid still being a thing, retailers are going to be keen on earlier than usual holiday sale pushes to drive revenue up. The aim with this would be to bleed some Xmas numbers to pad early fall so yearly sales don't look so drab. Kind of a really shortsighted move for a company like Nintendo, which should have a pretty banging holiday, to be ignoring that buildup to an earlier holiday season with dead silence just to have launch titles for a system that will already sell months from now. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Granted, we don't know what's in store for September-November.

3. Should Nintendo be prepping for a very late holiday Switch Pro or a very early 2021 Switch Pro, you have minimal lead time to differentiate the two branding wise (Wii vs Wii U debacle) for some very vocal kids who got the wrong Switch from their parents. Along with this, should it launch early 2021, you then have parents (and us) shelling out money for a system and/or games that likely have a superior Pro version or won't work on the regular Switch - again aggravating a pretty important demographic for Nintendo.

tl;dr Switch Pro would be a braindead move to release before mid spring 2021. 6+ more months of silence to focus on a Switch Pro isn't a money maker either. Somethings gotta give soon.

That, and consumer confidence is fairly low given the lack of first party title news and Nintendo needs to reinvigorate confidence

 

[Firox]

Yep, Nintendo is more concerned with stopping all information than releasing it. This is why insiders are being cheered because THEY are at least saying something. Its telling that we received more valid news from leakers than official Nintendo sources this year.

Nintendo is so focused on making sure every literal hair on their head lools perfect before they make their entrance to the party that they wasted time and missed the party. Except, instead of them missing the planned party entrance time by an hour, they are missing it three weeks later.

If they were holding back information to have one big massive hype explosion of fans freaking out and the masses cheering and getting all gaming news to focus on them, I'm sorry, but that shipped has sailed and they won't get that reaction when they finally do announce something. They botched the timing with being so secretive. At the last partner 'showcase,' there was a good amount of people snapping at those complaining about the content. After this next partner? There's less people trying to counter people complaining over Nintendo's moves. People are slowly starting to sway and support the complaints.

Its like those mythical Mario Anniversary games. They were met with excitement and cheering at first. Now people are resenting and getting sick of hearing about them.

Exactly. People are giving so much credence to the leakers because they're essentially seen as Robin Hood stealing from the rich to give to the poor. They're the only ones trying to feed the starving masses while the proverbial Price John just sits on his ass eating bon bons. COVID or not, Nintendo's lack of transparency is really inexcusable at this point. I would rather they tell us the newly pushed back release dates for stuff than just leave us sitting in the dark for a year.