Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[QQS]

Thought I would take a late night browse through this thread tonight, and wow, am I glad I did!

I hope this turns out to be good news, Genobros! Been wanting my puppet dude to get in since the Brawl days, and maybe this is actually real!

Also, and not to rain on the parade or anything, but I do see some of you saying that she wouldn't be speaking of the Mii Costume or Spirit because "people weren't excited." While true, when promoting something like this, you aren't going to say, "SMRPG sure is great, but Nintendo sure did suck it up with Geno in Smash," you know? It's gonna be positive, no matter what. Again, I am not saying that to be a party pooper, but more to say that they are promoting Nintendo products to sell in their store. They are gonna be positive/make people feel like it is a huge deal to be a part of.

Anyways, I am ready for this Direct to actually happen! I need to see Geno come alive once again!

GENO COMES ALIVE! (You just created a new splash art for Geno!)

 

[AEMehr]

A. This person is referring to Geno being announced as a Mii Costume or a Spirit, even though neither were a big deal, the Mii Costume was 5 years ago, and nobody would be "freaking out" for anything but a playable character or refer to something like the mii costume returning as a big announcement.

oh, that right? coulda fooled me.

B. This is an honest mistake, and they meant to say something else like "There's a reason people still really want Geno in Smash!" or something to that effect.
C. This is a slip-up due to how dates have clearly been moved around and he's in.
Out of these, A. really doesn't feel plausible so it's a toss-up between B. and C. There's nothing else to go off of at this point but it's just another point on The List of ever growning things that may or may not mean playable Geno. Thankfully with a direct almost certainly in only 4 days, we might get some insiders backing on this, or at the very least closure on Monday.




Oh god we have 4 more days of talking about this leak don't we.

its a joke / jab / meme. dont read into it.

 

[NintendoKnight]

*Plants flag with Geno banner firmly into the ground*

Is this the hill we die on? Or is it that hill right over there? I always get confused when these weird leaks happen.

Someone direct me to the right hill, I'll plant the flag there, and we all die on said hill, alright? Everyone caught up with the plan? Okay, then.

BREAK!

 

[Griselda]

You know, if this is just a case of someone making an error in wording, it's a pretty bizarre error to make.

 

[Corbin]

*Plants flag with Geno banner firmly into the ground*

Is this the hill we die on? Or is it that hill right over there? I always get confused when these weird leaks happen.

Someone direct me to the right hill, I'll plant the flag there, and we all die on said hill, alright? Everyone caught up with the plan? Okay, then.

BREAK!

Grinch leak! Err...I mean, Gamestop leak!

I do think Geno has a lot going for him, but I sincerely doubt this is any indication. I feel you really gotta squint your eyes on this one. But it's been fun seeing all the memes about GENO CONFIRMED & gatekeepers squirming.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

You know, if this is just a case of someone making an error in wording, it's a pretty bizarre error to make.

This... so much.

If this isn't an accidental leak and she's really referring to the Geno Mii costume or Spirit... why not just specifically say either of those in the first place? That way, whether Geno's really coming or not, we wouldn't even be having any sort of conversation about GameStop leaking anything Smash related.

 

[Heoj]

Well, im a silly European so i only woke a bit ago and ive finally caught up and overall i think its better to just wait if something else happens like if they remove the video or something. I also do think that its more likely it was a dumb mess up and they just hadnt done there research, but its still interesting to think about.

I can already hear gamefaqs and a large amount of the general thread taking dunks on us and talking down on us as if were a bunch of monkeys so yippee for that.

 

[KoopaSaki]

I may be working hard on my animation for Geno (Only got 4 days remaining!) But here I am waking up at 5am to get a lot done before work and i wake up to this gamestop leak and the board getting 7 more pages overnight.... Honestly its been such a ride with you guys over the past two years of speculation and this just may be our time. Now i was on team real on the grinch leak (Cause I also want Isaac So BAD) but given this is coming from gamestop, an official source, I guess you could say the hype is fueling me to draw even more! I don't see any way how it could be the mii costume (unlike sans, I don't think fans would freak out over it in a Banjo like way) So I hope this leads to the best outcome and you do your thing guys. I gotta get back to animating.

 

[RedMachine123]

I for one feel terrible for all the Europeans who are gonna have to wake up to this mess

Seriously, you don't know that sense of fear that I felt when I woke up and saw that this thread got EIGHT NEW PAGES.

Anyways, about that GameStop leak, it seems rather suspicious however it's probably just a bad choice of words, that being said, Geno's chances are still pretty good so I wouldn't worry too much if this leak ends up being fake.

PD: I'm glad to see that you are feeling better now Sigran101 .

 

[RetroBro]

Hello all.


As others have said, Pamela has been in the hospital since the beginning of July, meaning that the video was most likely not filmed this month and sometime in June.


That's all I wanted to say.

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If this is the case. Wouldn't it give credence to the fact that GameStop might've been given information about Geno last month and recorded it not realizing that the direct was delayed?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay, I did this for another thread and it got pretty funny so I'll do it here.

You get to design Geno's moveset, however, you have to make it as gimmicky as possible, while still staying true to the character.

What do you do?

 

[Geno Boost]

Okay, I did this for another thread and it got pretty funny so I'll do it here.

You get to design Geno's moveset, however, you have to make it as gimmicky as possible, while still staying true to the character.

What do you do?

i think smash crusade has done a good job on implementing Geno at almost every move i would say it has more gimmick and advanced than in legacy xp, legacy xp did not implement Geno Boost and Timed Hit (other than Geno whirl)

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Okay, I did this for another thread and it got pretty funny so I'll do it here.

You get to design Geno's moveset, however, you have to make it as gimmicky as possible, while still staying true to the character.

What do you do?

Timed hits. On absolute everything sans jabs. Also an FP meter

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Timed hits. On absolute everything sans jabs. Also an FP meter

I'm imaging a pummel with timed hits.

I love it.

But I also hate it.

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

I'm imaging a pummel with timed hits.

I love it.

But I also hate it.

I have absolutely no idea how it would work, but it would be very, very gimmicky.

 

[Lagguino]

Okay, I did this for another thread and it got pretty funny so I'll do it here.

You get to design Geno's moveset, however, you have to make it as gimmicky as possible, while still staying true to the character.

What do you do?

Giving geno timed hits...in all of his moves, Geno beam reaching all the way across the screen when at 3 stars ("my ledge trapping is sick bro.") 1 hit K.O. side B, up B taking majority of the stage (geno flash). Giving geno infinite boosts

Basically a less RNG Hero....what's funny about this is that if there's ever a argument that geno should be banned my personal bias would probably say "nah he shouldn't be"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, I think the consensus is that timed hits would be very fitting for Geno, but might not be the most fun gimmick to play.

I had one crazy idea where one special opened up a SMRPG like menu that allowed him to use an item, attack or defend option, but it probably wouldn't work either.

 

[Griselda]

I mean.. aren't timed hits already a part of a few characters' moves? Like Duck Hunt.

 

[Nemo_Namikaze]

i think smash crusade has done a good job on implementing Geno at almost every move i would say it has more gimmick and advanced than in legacy xp, legacy xp did not implement Geno Boost and Timed Hit (other than Geno whirl)

Small nit pick here but I do pop on LXP occasionally (specifically the Legends build by Kingbob).

Geno actually does has timed hits on Geno Whirl and all of his normals. They're indicated by a red or green flash and visual(stars)/sound cues.

It's not surprising to me this isn't commonly known though, it took me a while to discover it by accident. That and there are two different legacy Genos so maybe one doesn't have them?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I mean.. aren't timed hits already a part of a few characters' moves? Like Duck Hunt.

They aren't for Duck Hunt no.

I think the only character with a specific timed hit is actually Incineroar. Even then its only one move.

 

[Griselda]

They aren't for Duck Hunt no.

I think the only character with a specific timed hit is actually Incineroar. Even then its only one move.

Trick Shot and Clay Shooting both involve additional inputs that change the attack.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Trick Shot and Clay Shooting both involve additional inputs that change the attack.

Yeah, but there's no specific timing to it.

You can kind of let both sit on the ground for a while, and then press the button to do the second part of the attack. I wouldn't call that a timed hit.

 

[Griselda]

Yeah, but there's no specific timing to it.

You can kind of let both sit on the ground for a while, and then press the button to do the second part of the attack. I wouldn't call that a timed hit.

I suppose we're simply using different meanings for the term, then.

 

[MattX20]

Man, I didn't think we would be less than 24 pages before 3000 today. Not bad

 

[RingJ5]

They aren't for Duck Hunt no.

I think the only character with a specific timed hit is actually Incineroar. Even then its only one move.

I wouldn’t call that a timed hit for a specific reason: While it does have a failure state, it’s also more of a choice as to whether you want to knock your opponent upwards or forwards. It’s not “the better version of the move” as it is “a different outcome entirely”.

I think the closest to a timed hit currently in the game would have to be Deep Breathing. It isn’t actually a “hit”, but timed commands for defensive options are already a thing in the Mario RPG games anyway.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wouldn’t call that a timed hit for a specific reason: While it does have a failure state, it’s also more of a choice as to whether you want to knock your opponent upwards or forwards. It’s not “the better version of the move” as it is “a different outcome entirely”.

I think the closest to a timed hit currently in the game would have to be Deep Breathing. It isn’t actually a “hit”, but timed commands for defensive options are already a thing in the Mario RPG games anyway.

You're right, that's probably a better example.

 

[RingJ5]

You're right, that's probably a better example.

As for that “how to make Geno filled with as many gimmicks as possible” thing, timed hits and FP meters have already been brought up, but let’s take it a step further:

Geno runs on an FP meter. This meter does not refill on its own, and needs to be replenished by his shield special, where he takes an item out of his hat and eats it. The item is random, and can gain anywhere from 10-100%.

Geno Boost is basically Deep Breathing, making you stronger and faster, and if you time it correctly, a bit harder to launch as well. However, it also makes your timed hits 10% faster as a trade-off, meaning that if you want the most damage output possible you’ll have to be constantly changing up your own timing.

And, for my last terrible gimmick suggestion... Geno’s Up-B is the best in the game when timed right, but missing it leaves you in freefall.

 

[Cuzeba123]

And, for my last terrible gimmick suggestion... Geno’s Up-B is the best in the game when timed right, but missing it leaves you in freefall.

Talking about the up-B, what would be you guys take on it? I would make it like this: The star leaves Geno as the doll shrinks in size and the star carries it flying upward. If you press B again while in the air, the star throws the doll down like a projectile, so you have to be careful to not press B while recovering.

 

[Datboigeno]

If it is just referring to the spirit/costume that’s just a really bizarre thing to shout out the way they did in the video. No one “announced” Geno being a spirit and even then that’s not something people freaked out about any more than any other character that got revealed as a spirit. If anything spirits were a point of disappointment until Min Min got revealed more than anything. Also I find it weird that whoever wrote the script would know enough about Geno/Smash to specifically reference it but then say something as incorrect as people freaked out about his spirit. Also they never mentioned a spirit. Only that he was announced. Either way it’s a really bizarre situation but my fingers are crossed that it’s a legit leak on the level of the SNK one last year and GameStop just ****ed up big time.

 

[RingJ5]

Talking about the up-B, what would be you guys take on it? I would make it like this: The star leaves Geno as the doll shrinks in size and the star carries it flying upward. If you press B again while in the air, the star throws the doll down like a projectile, so you have to be careful to not press B while recovering.

My favorite idea is a bit of a reversal of his first appearance: A shot with powerful knockback, except for him rather than the opponent. You press Up-B once, the shot charges, and while it’s charging you can aim it in 360 degrees. Press B again right when it fires to determine power, with an untimed shot barely doing anything and a perfectly-timed shot rocketing him halfway across the stage. Of course, the actual fired shot is extremely powerful, however, er, owing to the whole “glass cannon” playstyle, the self-knockback is so powerful that it makes it something that you would almost never use offensively unless you’re using it to fling Geno head-first into your opponent.

 

[Griselda]

Talking about the up-B, what would be you guys take on it? I would make it like this: The star leaves Geno as the doll shrinks in size and the star carries it flying upward. If you press B again while in the air, the star throws the doll down like a projectile, so you have to be careful to not press B while recovering.

Geno fires off one fist into the air, and then grabs onto it with his still attached hand, letting the rocket hand carry him upwards.

 

[Lagguino]

Talking about the up-B, what would be you guys take on it? I would make it like this: The star leaves Geno as the doll shrinks in size and the star carries it flying upward. If you press B again while in the air, the star throws the doll down like a projectile, so you have to be careful to not press B while recovering.

My take would be a one arm rocket punch to launch him upwards but if you get the timing right he will shoot two launching him even further and just maybe if the fist(s) hit someone it might spike (meteor smash) them

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I don't see enough of you paying obeisance to your deluxe Mii costume overlords. And that needs to stop. You can't just hope for the character you like, it's illegal.

 

[Spatulo]

Tfw you wake up the morning after Geno was confirmed.

 

[Firox]

If it is just referring to the spirit/costume that’s just a really bizarre thing to shout out the way they did in the video. No one “announced” Geno being a spirit and even then that’s not something people freaked out about any more than any other character that got revealed as a spirit. If anything spirits were a point of disappointment until Min Min got revealed more than anything. Also I find it weird that whoever wrote the script would know enough about Geno/Smash to specifically reference it but then say something as incorrect as people freaked out about his spirit. Also they never mentioned a spirit. Only that he was announced. Either way it’s a really bizarre situation but my fingers are crossed that it’s a legit leak on the level of the SNK one last year and GameStop just ****ed up big time.

I totally agree with your logic here. Geno's spirit was never "announced" and people wouldn't be "freaking out" for anything less than an actual fighter confirmation. The fact that Pamela Horton was described as being kind of an air head does seem to line up with the video lol. Her whole presentation felt pretty organic and the fact that Origami King was the primary focus adds more credence to its authenticity. I'm leaning towards this leak being real.

 

[Powerman293]

I totally agree with your logic here. Geno's spirit was never "announced" and people wouldn't be "freaking out" for anything less than an actual fighter confirmation. The fact that Pamela Horton was described as being kind of an air head does seem to line up with the video lol. Her whole presentation felt pretty organic and the fact that Origami King was the primary focus adds more credence to its authenticity. I'm leaning towards this leak being real.

People hold their breaths when the Mii Costumes come around in case Geno shows up. People freak out over that EVERY time. So sorry I think that this response can be applicable outside of a character.

 

[Griselda]

People hold their breaths when the Mii Costumes come around in case Geno shows up. People freak out over that EVERY time. So sorry I think that this response can be applicable outside of a character.

I'm pretty sure that's not the kind of 'freaking out' that we think is being implied, here.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

People hold their breaths when the Mii Costumes come around in case Geno shows up. People freak out over that EVERY time. So sorry I think that this response can be applicable outside of a character.

People freak out when he's not announced as a mii costume because it means he has another chance to be a playable character, it kinda just loops back into their argument

 

[RingJ5]

Question: How do the datamined slots classify Pokemon Trainer‘s separate Pokemon, as one slot or three? Because I just thought of a weird theory that could explain “this is the end of the DLC” and “four extra slots exist”.

 

[Fatmanonice]

PapaGenos is just being realistic. Nothing wrong with that. You dont have to think "Geno will 100% be in" to be a Geno fan and a Geno supporter.

Also you guys put way to much weight in Fatmans theories. There are so many video game characters out there and I always read the same characters here. The same characters Fatman is hearing from his "sources".

Example: Imo Rex & Pyra are very likely. Many people think this too. But here? I dont see people talk about them because Fatman is not talking much about them.

Rex is just an example. There are tons of other characters. Personally I think Geno will be FP9 or FP10. But the possibility of a Mii costume is also very likely. It would be a very stupid move of Nintendo/Sakurai to wait that long for heavy requested character and then just reveal him as a Mii costume, but that would not be the first time they doing something that stupid...

I usually only read here. If you dont want to have people here that are realistic or even a bit pessimistic, then say it and I will go away.

I wanted to address this post because it's honestly kind of a summary of most of the accusations I've gotten since I started doing this in November 2018:

-My predictions are not my personal wishlist. They are who I believe is the most likely based on everything I've found since I've had access to insider stuff. I don't want Dante or Master Chief and I really wasn't attached to the idea of Crash until a few months ago. I don't say Geno and Waluigi because I want them I say them because that's who the current evidence points to. I even addressed that I regularly told the Geno fanbase to temper their expectations during the Smash 4 days and, as always, I have receipts:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2402#post-23830018

-I'm not going to predict certain characters just to make people feel better. Contrary to this post, I have gotten in a ton of arguments in this thread about Rayman, Doom Guy, Rex and Pyra, Isaac, Shantae, etc. On my end, not a lot of evidence has come up. Does this mean they won't happen? No. Will I tell people not to support certain characters because of this? No. Information changes and that's why, for instance, I'm now heavily considering Dixie Kong when many people in the Dixie personally messaged me and I was sad to tell them that nothing really came up for her. That's honestly been the case for first party characters in general. I'm not going to lie to people about what I've found but at the same time I'm not going to tell them to cancel their support.

-Most of the harassment I've gotten can honestly be boiled down to four fanbases because people have interpreted me as not predicting certain characters as a slight. I literally mean no offense when I express doubt or say not much has come up. That's just it. Stuff has come up for Geno and the others which is why they're part of my predictions in the first. If something damning came up to suggest Geno wasn't coming, I'd simply drop him from my predictions. I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think Geno's chances were great and my opinions during the Smash 4 days are definitive proof of this.