Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[DarkShadow20]

Well , i think everyone will just move onto the Geno character thread , and the discord servers. And hey , for all we know , they might tease us with "a character from SMRPG" , and we'll spend 4 months speculating if Boshi is going to be that rep

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Here's the main issue. FF7 REMAKE ISN'T GOING TO BE ON SWITCH , THE GAME LITTERALY NEED 2 DISCS , A SWITCH CARDRIGE IS EITHER 8 OR 16 GYGABITES. I'm sorry if I sound aggressive , but if this game is already pushing the PS4 to it's limits , there is no way this game could make it on Switch unless it get that weird FF15 Pocket Edition treatment , wich is highly unlikely.
Furthermore... Square Enix is not choosing their character for Smash. It's not their game. Nintendo wanted Hero in Smash because it would be huge for the japanese crowd , solidify their relationship with SE even more , and SE asked that the main hero would be from the latest game to promote it. (DQ 11 S is a Switch exclusive ehanced port , it has all the content from the PS4 and 3DS version from what I recall.)

And if we get Sephiroth... It's because it's Sephiroth , not because of the remake. don't have P5 on Switch , was pretty much Sakurai telling us "buy Rare Replay on XBOX ONE" , didn't have any big new games coming to Switch , only NEO GEO Archive on the eshop , and game was out since several months already...
Like , am I the only one who took a step back and realized that the only semi-shill character of FP1 was ? If not... Then why are we theorizing about a third party company shilling their new remake with a game they aren't even developping , and not choosing the characters from ?

Also yeah , they didn't douple dipped yet on the same 3rd party franchise , but I feel like Sakurai could do it if he really want to. And technically he kind of already did with , he was shown as a major reveal , and despise his echo statut , he's a semi-clone.
But I admit that , if we double dip on a 3rd party franchise , i think the most likely candidate is . Shadow is very requested , Tails is just a character loved by the general audience , Knuckles litteraly was modded into project M , and Eggman is one of the most iconic villains period. Not saying others franchises don't have a shot , but he's the third party character who was here since Brawl and didn't missed a game since , so i don't think people would think it's padding or shilling to add a new Sonic rep.

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Anyway , back onto topic :

I'm seeing some discussions about wich characters would come with Geno as costumes , cameos , spirits.
For spirits , I think it would be lovely to see these old sprites get the treatment and straight up get new unique renders for Smash.
As to the costumes , it's unlikely , but having the 5 Axem Rangers as swordfighters would be super cool.

Uh, no need for the rant. I don’t think myself or anyone else said they would add Sephiroth just to shill the remake, or that it could come to Switch. And like you said, Square is not choosing, and I think Sakurai would rather add Geno. But if there was ever a situation where Square approached Sakurai about adding Sephiroth, I don’t think he would be like “no, I would rather add a character from a different FF game.”

 

[Loliko YnT]

Uh, no need for the rant. I don’t think myself or anyone else said they would add Sephiroth just to shill the remake, or that it could come to Switch. And like you said, Square is not choosing, and I think Sakurai would rather add Geno. But if there was ever a situation where Square approached Sakurai about adding Sephiroth, I don’t think he would be like “no, I would rather add a character from a different FF game.”

Yeah , I'm sorry... I admit that I jumped at conclusions with your initial post , the part "Yeah, there’s 14 other main FF games, but are any of them getting a remake this week? Didn’t think so. " was what mislead me , I should have been more careful.

 

[DarkShadow20]

Yeah , I'm sorry... I admit that I jumped at conclusions with your initial post , the part "Yeah, there’s 14 other main FF games, but are any of them getting a remake this week? Didn’t think so. " was what mislead me , I should have been more careful.

No problem. I just meant that Square clearly favors FF7 over the others, so Sephiroth would be first in line, even if there was no remake.

So basically if it were up to Square, Sephiroth would be in this FP. Since it’s up to Nintendo and Sakurai, it will probably be Geno.

 

[Vector Victor]

As we learned with Cloud, even when Square suggests something, they can be convinced otherwise. They were going to offer Lightning or Noctis as the FF rep back in Smash 4 and were surprised that Sakurai wanted Cloud.

Maybe that's why there's barely any content with Cloud.

 

[DarkShadow20]

As we learned with Cloud, even when Square suggests something, they can be convinced otherwise. They were going to offer Lightning or Noctis as the FF rep back in Smash 4 and were surprised that Sakurai wanted Cloud.

Maybe that's why there's barely any content with Cloud.

That’s good news for Geno then.

 

[TriggerX]

As we learned with Cloud, even when Square suggests something, they can be convinced otherwise. They were going to offer Lightning or Noctis as the FF rep back in Smash 4 and were surprised that Sakurai wanted Cloud.

Maybe that's why there's barely any content with Cloud.

Apparently 1/4 - 1/3 of the smash fan base wanted Cloud in, so there’s that. He was a popular choice overall.
There aren’t a whole lot of characters left other than Master Chief or maybe Sora that have that kind of overwhelming support left.

The content part idk. I assume it’s ownership/ legal issues.

It is good news for Geno in the sense that Sakurai had the choice previously, but going forward into ultimate I’m curious how much Nintendo versus his own character suggestions might differ.

 

[Firox]

Apparently 1/4 - 1/3 of the smash fan base wanted Cloud in, so there’s that. He was a popular choice overall.
There aren’t a whole lot of characters left other than Master Chief or maybe Sora that have that kind of overwhelming support left.

While I definitely agree that Cloud was a popular choice, I really feel the need to point out that Cloud was PASSIVELY popular, not ACTIVELY. That is, people were overjoyed to see him because of how impossible his inclusion seemed to be, but few if anyone was campaigning for him because we didn't honestly think he could make it. I'd say Master Chief falls into the exact same category: An explosively awesome character to add but one that few if any of us legitimately think will make it. Then again, it's that seemingly insurmountable chance of him getting in that would make him so explosively awesome to begin with.

 

[TriggerX]

While I definitely agree that Cloud was a popular choice, I really feel the need to point out that Cloud was PASSIVELY popular, not ACTIVELY. That is, people were overjoyed to see him because of how impossible his inclusion seemed to be, but few if anyone was campaigning for him because we didn't honestly think he could make it. I'd say Master Chief falls into the exact same category: An explosively awesome character to add but one that few if any of us legitimately think will make it. Then again, it's that seemingly insurmountable chance of him getting in that would make him so explosively awesome to begin with.

Idk Sakurai definitely makes it seem that fans were pretty active about Cloud. Unless this interview is fake.

If it’s real Sakurai either:
A. Has access to poll data that most of us are unaware of
B. Pulled a random number out of thin air to support his own reasons to add Cloud into smash

https://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

 

[DarkShadow20]

While I definitely agree that Cloud was a popular choice, I really feel the need to point out that Cloud was PASSIVELY popular, not ACTIVELY. That is, people were overjoyed to see him because of how impossible his inclusion seemed to be, but few if anyone was campaigning for him because we didn't honestly think he could make it. I'd say Master Chief falls into the exact same category: An explosively awesome character to add but one that few if any of us legitimately think will make it. Then again, it's that seemingly insurmountable chance of him getting in that would make him so explosively awesome to begin with.

Agreed. I never even supported Cloud or Ryu prior to their reveal because I didn't think they were possible, and I hadn't supported Master Chief or Crash until recently, despite loving the games and series they all come from and having played them for over a decade.

Now that Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo are in, Geno is the last character that I have heavily supported since the Brawl days, besides Bomberman.

 

[protoblues]

As we learned with Cloud, even when Square suggests something, they can be convinced otherwise. They were going to offer Lightning or Noctis as the FF rep back in Smash 4 and were surprised that Sakurai wanted Cloud.

Maybe that's why there's barely any content with Cloud.

This is hilarious. I can just imagine Nomura trying to explain why Lightning would be a good fit for Smash as Sakurai's eyes glaze over.

Idk Sakurai definitely makes it seem that fans were pretty active about Cloud. Unless this interview is fake.

If it’s real Sakurai either:
A. Has access to poll data that most of us are unaware of
B. Pulled a random number out of thin air to support his own reasons to add Cloud into smash

https://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

Yeah, I doubt he's lying. Is anyone surprised that Cloud is the most popular character in Final Fantasy? I'm sure he got votes on the ballot. It's important to remember these polls aren't usually an accurate representation fo people's first choices, because people tend to back candidates who they think are plausible and have support.

 

[waterhasataste]

Hmm...did we discuss stage cameos for what stage we get with Geno?

I'd like to see Croco, Bowyer, Smithy, Booster, Axem Rangers, Boshi, Mallow, and Exor mainly as cameos

Though how fun would it be if they included a Culex cameo as well?

 

[Firox]

Idk Sakurai definitely makes it seem that fans were pretty active about Cloud. Unless this interview is fake.

If it’s real Sakurai either:
A. Has access to poll data that most of us are unaware of
B. Pulled a random number out of thin air to support his own reasons to add Cloud into smash

https://sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on the "1/4-1/3 of fan requests" statement. There was never a single online poll I'm aware of that comes anywhere near corroborating that claim, especially the fan generated test polls for the Sm4sh ballot (which was done prior to Cloud's reveal). In fact, I would be interested to see a single poll taken from the end of Brawl to the end of Sm4sh where Cloud even broke the top 15 (with a sample size of at least 500 to alleviate any apparent bias). Also, I've never seen a single character ever break 15% of votes in an open ballot (with a sample size over 500) let alone 25%-33%. Ever. Not Isaac. Not Geno. Not Bayo. Not even B-K. The only outlier to this would be if Sakurai's physical fan mail is drastically different from the online polls, which I highly doubt. Even if they were, it would mean that Sakurai gives FAR more weight to physical fan mail than any other form of poll data which I would find kinda stupid and derivative. Now, that's not to say that 1/4-1/3 of the fanbase wasn't elated to see Cloud (I know I was) but I personally think that Cloud was one of Sakurai's few "Jackpot Dream Picks" that happen to tickle the fanbase just the way they wanted. Other "Jackpot Dream Picks" (not necessary ones that were highly demanded, but ended up well received) would include . Some of these were highly requested, but sometimes Sakurai just happens to pick a character that we could never have predicted that ends up a home run regardless. Even Cloud himself would agree....."I never thought I'd see the day.."

 

[Icewolff92]

Then how the **** did Toby Fox get in?

NDA

 

[Lyncario]

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on the "1/4-1/3 of fan requests" statement. There was never a single online poll I'm aware of that comes anywhere near corroborating that claim, especially the fan generated test polls for the Sm4sh ballot (which was done prior to Cloud's reveal). In fact, I would be interested to see a single poll taken from the end of Brawl to the end of Sm4sh where Cloud even broke the top 15 (with a sample size of at least 500 to alleviate any apparent bias). Also, I've never seen a single character ever break 15% of votes in an open ballot (with a sample size over 500) let alone 25%-33%. Ever. Not Isaac. Not Geno. Not Bayo. Not even B-K. The only outlier to this would be if Sakurai's physical fan mail is drastically different from the online polls, which I highly doubt. Even if they were, it would mean that Sakurai gives FAR more weight to physical fan mail than any other form of poll data which I would find kinda stupid and derivative. Now, that's not to say that 1/4-1/3 of the fanbase wasn't elated to see Cloud (I know I was) but I personally think that Cloud was one of Sakurai's few "Jackpot Dream Picks" that happen to tickle the fanbase just the way they wanted. Other "Jackpot Dream Picks" (not necessary ones that were highly demanded, but ended up well received) would include . Some of these were highly requested, but sometimes Sakurai just happens to pick a character that we could never have predicted that ends up a home run regardless. Even Cloud himself would agree....."I never thought I'd see the day.."

On the 25-33% of fan request, it's in relation to other FF characters, not in overall requests. So instead of competing with Banjo or K.Rool, Cloud's competition was Terra, Squall, Tidus, Black Mage, and Lightning.

 

[Lord Woomy]

As we learned with Cloud, even when Square suggests something, they can be convinced otherwise. They were going to offer Lightning or Noctis as the FF rep back in Smash 4 and were surprised that Sakurai wanted Cloud.

Maybe that's why there's barely any content with Cloud.

This is something I will repeat over and over: Nintendo would pick the character from Square, Square would not. We keep overthinking how much of an interest Square has in adding a character like Sephiroth to Smash over someone like Geno, but they can't really enforce that. Nintendo would come wanting Geno not "Any Square character but we hope they'll let us use Geno", if Square is unwilling to license Geno in this scenario, then there'd just be no Square character in FP2, it's not like Nintendo's obligated to choose a different Square character if a deal for Geno falls through.

 

[DarkShadow20]

This is something I will repeat over and over: Nintendo would pick the character from Square, Square would not. We keep overthinking how much of an interest Square has in adding a character like Sephiroth to Smash over someone like Geno, but they can't really enforce that. Nintendo would come wanting Geno not "Any Square character but we hope they'll let us use Geno", if Square is unwilling to license Geno in this scenario, then there'd just be no Square character in FP2, it's not like Nintendo's obligated to choose a different Square character if a deal for Geno falls through.

Yep, and I doubt Square would turn down free money and not let them add Geno. So this is entirely in Nintendo's court.

 

[Powerman293]

Yep, and I doubt Square would turn down free money and not let them add Geno. So this is entirely in Nintendo's court.

This is the conclusion I came to making a video talking about whether it would be worth it to Square Enix to do so.

 

[Firox]

On the 25-33% of fan request, it's in relation to other FF characters, not in overall requests. So instead of competing with Banjo or K.Rool, Cloud's competition was Terra, Squall, Tidus, Black Mage, and Lightning.

OOOOOOOOoooh, now I gotcha. OK, sure, that totally makes sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on the "1/4-1/3 of fan requests" statement. There was never a single online poll I'm aware of that comes anywhere near corroborating that claim, especially the fan generated test polls for the Sm4sh ballot (which was done prior to Cloud's reveal). In fact, I would be interested to see a single poll taken from the end of Brawl to the end of Sm4sh where Cloud even broke the top 15 (with a sample size of at least 500 to alleviate any apparent bias). Also, I've never seen a single character ever break 15% of votes in an open ballot (with a sample size over 500) let alone 25%-33%. Ever. Not Isaac. Not Geno. Not Bayo. Not even B-K. The only outlier to this would be if Sakurai's physical fan mail is drastically different from the online polls, which I highly doubt. Even if they were, it would mean that Sakurai gives FAR more weight to physical fan mail than any other form of poll data which I would find kinda stupid and derivative. Now, that's not to say that 1/4-1/3 of the fanbase wasn't elated to see Cloud (I know I was) but I personally think that Cloud was one of Sakurai's few "Jackpot Dream Picks" that happen to tickle the fanbase just the way they wanted. Other "Jackpot Dream Picks" (not necessary ones that were highly demanded, but ended up well received) would include . Some of these were highly requested, but sometimes Sakurai just happens to pick a character that we could never have predicted that ends up a home run regardless. Even Cloud himself would agree....."I never thought I'd see the day.."

I've probably mentioned it before, but when news came out that Street Fighter Ryu was coming to Smash 4 (in the form of a datamine), I told a few friends "they're going after the huge icons of gaming and Cloud is going to be next, if they continue DLC. He's pretty much the only one left.". Probably the most major prediction I ever nailed or ever will nail.

Cloud came at a point in time that Ultimate had to be in a serious planning stage and I think that's what you may be overlooking here - Sakurai can give numbers that are true based on technicality because of characters they were considering for 4, Cloud probably was 1/3 of the requests they had seen. Until it's proven otherwise, I'm going to stand by my theory that Cloud was negotiated for 4 and Ultimate simultaneously, which is why he came with no spirits in Ultimate - he was one of the first characters to make it into the game as opposed to the often speculated last to make it back.

I've also mentioned before that before Brawl, "highly demanded" wasn't even really a concept. There was a little fan buzz here and there about how it'd be cool to see someone like Wario in Melee, but you didn't see the kind of 500 page threads supporting specific characters, or the dozens of threads a day on general Smash speculation on /v/ or gamefaqs like you do nowadays. Brawl came out of the gate answering the biggest fan wants of the era: Pit, Meta Knight, and Wario. I remember the days of people saying Pit should be in Smash because Ice Climbers made it in. Meta Knight was everyone's favorite Kirby character. Snake was a blindside to everyone because it didn't even register with us how M rated Metal Gear Solid crept its way into Super Smash Bros - this man kills people and fights with guns. It didn't take long for Brawl to further smash (heh) expectations and give fans more of what they want when Sonic dropped. Wolf, like Ridley, was put into the minds of Smash fans because he was in the opening cinematic of Melee and yet Falco was given the spot we felt like Wolf deserved. Despite Wolf feeling like an afterthought, he was a fan-centric afterthought and that's what really counts.

Now we can get into the era of "fan demand". Wolf, Snake and Pokemon Trainer were sorely missed in 4 and Charizard wasn't enough to make people happy, especially since few Smash fans didn't know that Squirtle and Ivysaur were totally functional standalone characters in Project M. There's plenty of fan polls to show that wanting those three characters back was a big fan demand and probably a huge factor in trying to get the whole cast together for Ultimate (if Sakurai hasn't outright stated as much). To go back to the timing for Cloud and Ultimate, they ignored Wolf and Snake because they already planned to put Wolf back and do their best to get Snake from a likely very unwilling Konami, given the Kojima situation. Pokemon Trainer was totally out of the question for DLC in 4, and they were likely right there next to Wolf in terms of getting a character to come back in Ultimate. Just to speculate even harder, if "everyone is here" wasn't the catchphrase of Ultimate, I believe Wolf and Pokemon Trainer would have returned regardless.

My honest thoughts on Cloud is that he wasn't some kind of dream pick for Sakurai, he was and is just the mascot for Final Fantasy, a franchise that despite not being as present on Nintendo consoles nowadays was a huge part of Nintendo's past with sales rivaling that of Dragon Quest. Having him is really a symbolic mend between Square and Nintendo because his game is basically the one that severed Square and Nintendo back in the N64 days, and had things been different and Final Fantasy VII come to the N64 I don't think any of us would find his inclusion strange - I'd go as far as to say that we wouldn't have expected Geno before Cloud, and we really should treat his inclusion as if that friendly timeline had happened.

 

[QQS]

The Corona Virus is over and we’re left on a shot of the stars. We hear “GENO AWAKENS” slowly fade in as a star drops to earth. We see the star fly through many different locations from Mario RPG, until it eventually finds the Geno doll. The doll gets up slowly as we see a glimmering Smash ball in his eyes. We turn on our Switch and after starting Smash, the screen goes like this:

(Credits to the photo-artist)

-June 2020
-Challenger Pack #7
-Character #77

 

[axel_]

if we double dip on a 3rd party franchise , i think the most likely candidate is . Shadow is very requested , Tails is just a character loved by the general audience , Knuckles litteraly was modded into project M , and Eggman is one of the most iconic villains period.

Finally, someone else gets it.

 

[Loliko YnT]

The Corona Virus is over and we’re left on a shot of the stars. We hear “GENO AWAKENS” slowly fade in as a star drops to earth. We see the star fly through many different locations from Mario RPG, until it eventually finds the Geno doll. The doll gets up slowly as we see a glimmering Smash ball in his eyes. We turn on our Switch and after starting Smash, the screen goes like this:

View attachment 268672
(Credits to the photo-artist)

-June 2020
-Challenger Pack #7
-Character #77

Thank you for the positivity man. It's always a pleasure to see your posts , they often remind me on how cool Geno's reveal would be.

Finally, someone else gets it.
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I admit that I'm 100% biased when it come to Sonic stuff , since it's easily in my top 5 favorite franchises. Iv'e also played Sonic games since I was super young , and was able to play the vast majority of his games , since I started on the Gamecube. (The game compilations helped me a lot with retro stuff)

The only big games I couldn't play were 06 , Generations and Unleashed PS3/XBOX 360 since I don't have a PS3. (And Sonic Jam/Shuffle)

Eggman is just such an iconic character to me , and no matter the quality of Sonic games , he's always been an highlight for me , be it his ton of boss battles or his personnality. And having a proper mecha character in Smash would be amazing , since the closest we have to that is

 

[Firox]

Thank you for the positivity man. It's always a pleasure to see your posts , they often remind me on how cool Geno's reveal would be.


I admit that I'm 100% biased when it come to Sonic stuff , since it's easily in my top 5 favorite franchises. Iv'e also played Sonic games since I was super young , and was able to play the vast majority of his games , since I started on the Gamecube. (The game compilations helped me a lot with retro stuff)

The only big games I couldn't play were 06 , Generations and Unleashed PS3/XBOX 360 since I don't have a PS3. (And Sonic Jam/Shuffle)

Eggman is just such an iconic character to me , and no matter the quality of Sonic games , he's always been an highlight for me , be it his ton of boss battles or his personnality. And having a proper mecha character in Smash would be amazing , since the closest we have to that is

Yes on all points. If we were to ever get Shadow, Knuckles or Eggman, I'd lose my **** in the best way.

 

[Loliko YnT]

Yes on all points. If we were to ever get Shadow, Knuckles or Eggman, I'd lose my **** in the best way.

Inb4 we get Classic Sonic because "he's the echo that respect the most Sonic's current moveset"

But yeah , I would be extremely happy to see a Sonic character make it in. And I think a good chunk of the community would love it too , like , Shadow got his own mod , Metal Sonic is in Legacy XP , and Knuckles was added in Project M. Mods don't always equal popularity , but still.

 

[Firox]

Inb4 we get Classic Sonic because "he's the echo that respect the most Sonic's current moveset"

But yeah , I would be extremely happy to see a Sonic character make it in. And I think a good chunk of the community would love it too , like , Shadow got his own mod , Metal Sonic is in Legacy XP , and Knuckles was added in Project M. Mods don't always equal popularity , but still.

1v1. Final Destination. No items. Foxes only.

Tails: "Time to show McCloud who the real fox is around here..."

 

[Geno Boost]

Well , i think everyone will just move onto the Geno character thread , and the discord servers. And hey , for all we know , they might tease us with "a character from SMRPG" , and we'll spend 4 months speculating if Boshi is going to be that rep

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Here's the main issue. FF7 REMAKE ISN'T GOING TO BE ON SWITCH , THE GAME LITTERALY NEED 2 DISCS , A SWITCH CARDRIGE IS EITHER 8 OR 16 GYGABITES. I'm sorry if I sound aggressive , but if this game is already pushing the PS4 to it's limits , there is no way this game could make it on Switch unless it get that weird FF15 Pocket Edition treatment , wich is highly unlikely.
Furthermore... Square Enix is not choosing their character for Smash. It's not their game. Nintendo wanted Hero in Smash because it would be huge for the japanese crowd , solidify their relationship with SE even more , and SE asked that the main hero would be from the latest game to promote it. (DQ 11 S is a Switch exclusive ehanced port , it has all the content from the PS4 and 3DS version from what I recall.)

And if we get Sephiroth... It's because it's Sephiroth , not because of the remake. don't have P5 on Switch , was pretty much Sakurai telling us "buy Rare Replay on XBOX ONE" , didn't have any big new games coming to Switch , only NEO GEO Archive on the eshop , and game was out since several months already...
Like , am I the only one who took a step back and realized that the only semi-shill character of FP1 was ? If not... Then why are we theorizing about a third party company shilling their new remake with a game they aren't even developping , and not choosing the characters from ?

Also yeah , they didn't douple dipped yet on the same 3rd party franchise , but I feel like Sakurai could do it if he really want to. And technically he kind of already did with , he was shown as a major reveal , and despise his echo statut , he's a semi-clone.
But I admit that , if we double dip on a 3rd party franchise , i think the most likely candidate is . Shadow is very requested , Tails is just a character loved by the general audience , Knuckles litteraly was modded into project M , and Eggman is one of the most iconic villains period. Not saying others franchises don't have a shot , but he's the third party character who was here since Brawl and didn't missed a game since , so i don't think people would think it's padding or shilling to add a new Sonic rep.

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Anyway , back onto topic :

I'm seeing some discussions about wich characters would come with Geno as costumes , cameos , spirits.
For spirits , I think it would be lovely to see these old sprites get the treatment and straight up get new unique renders for Smash.
As to the costumes , it's unlikely , but having the 5 Axem Rangers as swordfighters would be super cool.

If there is Axem Rangers costume I can’t expect a full body since the Axem Rangers body doesn’t fit a humanoid body so my guess would be just Axem Red face

 

[SSGuy]

If there is Axem Rangers costume I can’t expect a full body since the Axem Rangers body doesn’t fit a humanoid body so my guess would be just Axem Red face

I wouldn't count out a full body just based on proportions alone. Tails and Knuckles as two mii costumes that are incredibly dis proportioned. And in the event Geno does make it in, can you imagine how dis proportioned a full body Mallow would be lol

 

[MisterMike]

I wouldn't count out a full body just based on proportions alone. Tails and Knuckles as two mii costumes that are incredibly dis proportioned. And in the event Geno does make it in, can you imagine how dis proportioned a full body Mallow would be lol

Case and point:

 

[CannonStreak]

I know Geno would have powerful attacks in terms of energy, projectiles, etc., but I must know, how strong would he be physically? Would his punches and kicks be strong or weak?

Also, if I may ask, when can we expect the first batch of leaks with Sakurai working at his home now?

 

[MattX20]

I know Geno would have powerful attacks in terms of energy, projectiles, etc., but I must know, how strong would he be physically? Would his punches and kicks be strong or weak?

Also, if I may ask, when can we expect the first batch of leaks with Sakurai working at his home now?

I imagine Geno's melee attacks would be decent, but nothing outstanding given his real strength comes from magic and firearms

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

I know Geno would have powerful attacks in terms of energy, projectiles, etc., but I must know, how strong would he be physically? Would his punches and kicks be strong or weak?

I'd have to say that the Geno doll is physically strong. Geno said the doll was the strongest of the four dolls, but who knows what would've happened if he possessed the Mario, Peach, or Bowser doll; would he gain fire powers, healing powers, or the power to breathe fire? The makers of SMRPG would know that question.

The Geno doll is strong enough to shoot rockets from his fists, and that move does over 100 damage every time I use it, so those fists and legs must be pretty strong... I mean, he was strong enough to destroy a mechanical tank made out of egg yolk, and one-shot enemies with his rocket fists, so his punches and kicks must be pretty powerful. But if Geno is a glass cannon, then the Geno doll could have low durability.

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on the "1/4-1/3 of fan requests" statement. There was never a single online poll I'm aware of that comes anywhere near corroborating that claim, especially the fan generated test polls for the Sm4sh ballot (which was done prior to Cloud's reveal). In fact, I would be interested to see a single poll taken from the end of Brawl to the end of Sm4sh where Cloud even broke the top 15 (with a sample size of at least 500 to alleviate any apparent bias). Also, I've never seen a single character ever break 15% of votes in an open ballot (with a sample size over 500) let alone 25%-33%. Ever. Not Isaac. Not Geno. Not Bayo. Not even B-K. The only outlier to this would be if Sakurai's physical fan mail is drastically different from the online polls, which I highly doubt. Even if they were, it would mean that Sakurai gives FAR more weight to physical fan mail than any other form of poll data which I would find kinda stupid and derivative. Now, that's not to say that 1/4-1/3 of the fanbase wasn't elated to see Cloud (I know I was) but I personally think that Cloud was one of Sakurai's few "Jackpot Dream Picks" that happen to tickle the fanbase just the way they wanted. Other "Jackpot Dream Picks" (not necessary ones that were highly demanded, but ended up well received) would include . Some of these were highly requested, but sometimes Sakurai just happens to pick a character that we could never have predicted that ends up a home run regardless. Even Cloud himself would agree....."I never thought I'd see the day.."

I believe it was any Final Fantasy character that was heavily requested in Smash, whether it was Black Mage or the other FF protagonists, but since Cloud seems to be the most popular FF protagonist, Sakurai went with him, even Nomura was pretty surprised because Cloud isn't as recent as Lightning. Cloud is one of the biggest Final Fantasy icons, so no wonder Sakurai went with Cloud to pick out of the big list of FF characters.

Geno Whirling every boss into oblivion in succession without having to go into WoL would've been fun.

Careful, watch your timing. Missing your timed hits means no 9999 damage for you!

 

[Loliko YnT]

I know Geno would have powerful attacks in terms of energy, projectiles, etc., but I must know, how strong would he be physically? Would his punches and kicks be strong or weak?

Also, if I may ask, when can we expect the first batch of leaks with Sakurai working at his home now?

I think Geno melee attacks would be decently strong , but have quite some start-up.

The way I see it , most of his attacks are explosives (giant beam , rocket fists , the kind of stuff that really hurt you know) , but his lack of fast attacks especially in close quarter combat would be one of his biggest weaknesses.
At best , he would have a decently fast jab or forward tilt as a "get off me" or OOS option.

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As to leaks , I go with the mindset that there will be no leaks. I prefer to expect nothing and get blown away (Especially since we're guaranteed to get Smash news during June) , rather than wait for leaks. Sassy Geno and Grinch leak made me pretty disappointed , so I wouldn't want a third repeat.

Also , if I was Sakurai , I admit that I would lose it if half of the work I spend months/years on get leaked , and I lose all the surprise and hype factor. Let's be honest , I'm sure the guy is well aware of the reaction people have to these character reveals , and that he must have at least a small smile on his face when he see that his work make people so happy.

... Or I dunno , Nintendo will leak Geno , like they did with Stage Builder and SNK , third time's the charm. I wouldn't even be surprised if they did...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So I was watching a SMRPG rando. Besides how funny it is to see two Marios at once in general, it was an interesting run.

Mario was renamed The Jumpman, and Bowser was renamed Zeccet. By the end of it, Mallow was the hardest hitter. Though Bowser was still a mighty tank. Geno seemed to have about the same special and physical attack. At one point his Geno Blast did less damage than his physical attack(though it was against the second half of the Axem Ranger fight, and I don't remember if that head machine has high special defense, so?).

 

[Loliko YnT]

So I was watching a SMRPG rando. Besides how funny it is to see two Marios at once in general, it was an interesting run.

Mario was renamed The Jumpman, and Bowser was renamed Zeccet. By the end of it, Mallow was the hardest hitter. Though Bowser was still a mighty tank. Geno seemed to have about the same special and physical attack. At one point his Geno Blast did less damage than his physical attack(though it was against the second half of the Axem Ranger fight, and I don't remember if that head machine has high special defense, so?).

Well , I'm unsure , but I think Geno blast does less damage on a single opponent , than his basic attack.
It's pretty funny actually , the only special move I tend to use for Geno in boss fights is Geno Boost, since his basic attacks hit so hard. (With the exception of Axem Rangers)

However , I recall the head of the Blade having worse defense than special defense. Even with the best gears I could find at that time , Shocker and Geno blast still did less damages than basic attacks.

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Also , wanted to share 2 things :

This amazing Geno fan-art , like dang , for a 6 fan-arts template , it's very detailled :

Spoiler: Fan-art

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And this Smithy remix. Everyone remix Forest Maze , and I honestly think this is the most underated track in the whole OST.

Spoiler: Smithy remix

 

[DeputyDalmatian]

I’m sure this has been discussed ad infinitum before, but quarantine has me playing through Mario RPG again and got me thinking. What are some animations you guys absolutely want for Geno? Taunts, his victory animations, etc. His laugh has to be a taunt for sure, but I was thinking it might be cool if when he wins a match his star comes out of his body and zips around.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I’m sure this has been discussed ad infinitum before, but quarantine has me playing through Mario RPG again and got me thinking. What are some animations you guys absolutely want for Geno? Taunts, his victory animations, etc. His laugh has to be a taunt for sure, but I was thinking it might be cool if when he wins a match his star comes out of his body and zips around.

Here's a few I can think off :

Taunts :
-As you said , his iconic laugh , it's perfect for a taunt
-His victory animation in SMRPG
-Pulling an item out of his hat , with the occasionnal : "Got a freebie !"

Victory animations :
-Using Geno blast as fireworks
-Mallow playing the cymbals , while Geno look at him with a sweet smile
-His victory animation in SMRPG.
-Like you said , leaving his doll and having his star dance around it

As a bonus , his victory screen will work like Cloud : His victory screen theme would be a remix of the SMRPG fanfare , and would play endlessly until you leave the victory screen.

But overall , I would like a healthy mix of straight references , and just cool stuff he's technically able to do , even if he didn't do it in SMRPG (example : The Geno blast fireworks victory screen)

 

[DeputyDalmatian]

Here's a few I can think off :

Taunts :
-As you said , his iconic laugh , it's perfect for a taunt
-His victory animation in SMRPG
-Pulling an item out of his hat , with the occasionnal : "Got a freebie !"

Victory animations :
-Using Geno blast as fireworks
-Mallow playing the cymbals , while Geno look at him with a sweet smile
-His victory animation in SMRPG.
-Like you said , leaving his doll and having his star dance around it

As a bonus , his victory screen will work like Cloud : His victory screen theme would be a remix of the SMRPG fanfare , and would play endlessly until you leave the victory screen.

But overall , I would like a healthy mix of straight references , and just cool stuff he's technically able to do , even if he didn't do it in SMRPG (example : The Geno blast fireworks victory screen)

I absolutely love the idea of the Mallow with cymbals and the fireworks! Honestly if given the free reign I feel like there are so many cool little things they could do with his inclusion. And for the love of god I hope they’re more generous with his music than they were with Cloud.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I absolutely love the idea of the Mallow with cymbals and the fireworks! Honestly if given the free reign I feel like there are so many cool little things they could do with his inclusion. And for the love of god I hope they’re more generous with his music than they were with Cloud.

Even with the mess that DQ copyrights are , they still managed to snatch 8 TRACKS.
FF mostly got two tracks because FF7 music copyrights are absolutely horrible to deal with : SE don't own them , a composer does.

So , seeing as SE directly own the soundtrack , and Yoko Shimomura is always on board for remixes , I feel like we could get a decent selection. Not Terry level of good , but I could see around as much love as got in the music department.

Tbh , all of this talk really make me wanna do a Fighter Pack mock-up for Geno.

 

[CannonStreak]

I think Geno melee attacks would be decently strong , but have quite some start-up.

The way I see it , most of his attacks are explosives (giant beam , rocket fists , the kind of stuff that really hurt you know) , but his lack of fast attacks especially in close quarter combat would be one of his biggest weaknesses.
At best , he would have a decently fast jab or forward tilt as a "get off me" or OOS option.

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As to leaks , I go with the mindset that there will be no leaks. I prefer to expect nothing and get blown away (Especially since we're guaranteed to get Smash news during June) , rather than wait for leaks. Sassy Geno and Grinch leak made me pretty disappointed , so I wouldn't want a third repeat.

Also , if I was Sakurai , I admit that I would lose it if half of the work I spend months/years on get leaked , and I lose all the surprise and hype factor. Let's be honest , I'm sure the guy is well aware of the reaction people have to these character reveals , and that he must have at least a small smile on his face when he see that his work make people so happy.

... Or I dunno , Nintendo will leak Geno , like they did with Stage Builder and SNK , third time's the charm. I wouldn't even be surprised if they did...

In terms of leaks, that is just you in terms of saying there would be no leaks. Just because you don’t want them does not mean they will not happen at all.

 

[Loliko YnT]

In terms of leaks, that is just you in terms of satmying there would be no leaks. Just because you don’t want them does not mean they will not happen at all.

Yes , I simply go with the mindset that there will be no leaks. Because real leaks aren't a guarantee at all.

The only direct leaks were Stage Builder and the SNK trademark , stuff that Nintendo themselves leaked. (At least for DLC , nobody predicted Joker and Byleth , Hero's Seven Squares was quite the complicated mess , and BK only got circonstancial stuff adding up for him.)
Hence why I don't expect any leaks of any kind right now , even if they could happen.

And well , it's not like we're in a bad spot either , we have a lot going for us. Leaks or not.