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StarLight42

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Just curious. Were you against whole Cacomallow leak? Because Doom is far more obscure than Halo in Japan.
I mean, i’ve been one of the biggest skeptics of it on this thread. I never really thought Doomslayer was at all likely until the prospect of that leak being real crossed my mind.

But even then, Sakurai praised John Carmack for being the father of the genre in the past.
 

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What are you guys' thoughts on the Brawl Legacy XP Geno model?

Also hello, I am new
Welcome to the forum!

My favorite part of PM Geno is it's use of Geno Blast. It's so creative and sets up some really great off stage follow ups. I don't even think Sakurai could find a better way to utilize Geno Blast, but let's hope I am wrong if we get that luxury.
 
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What are you guys' thoughts on the Brawl Legacy XP Geno model?

Also hello, I am new
Welcome! Someone get this guy another Geno hat, on the house!

Personally, the overall quality of the Legacy XP model is good, but it has creative choices that I don't like. His hat doesn't look good to me. Also, he has sharp, pointy fingers. The cape, and the popped collar, are accurate outside of the yellow lining on the outside. His proportions are nearly perfect, though. I think his head should be just a tad larger. Remember, he's similarly proportioned to Mario but slightly taller.

I'd give it a 7.5/10
 

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His hat doesn't look good to me.
I agree, I think it's one of the main things holding this model back. The hat is just awkward.
One thing I appreciate about it though is that it matches the Brawl texturing art style pretty well, IMO. And he looks pretty good in motion, too.
If anyone hasn't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4murzvL_d8c

thank you for the warm welcome :)
 

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Youtube's Wynn. Hell it might even be him lmao!
Okay, I've decided to sit down an watch one of his videos (that video being The Thunder Discusses Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - Cabbage Patch Kids), and I have a few questions.
  1. How old is this kid? Judging from his cringy, Imagine Dragons-inspired name, I'd wager he's somewhere in his early teens, but you can never be sure.
  2. Does he not have anything to do direct capture with? I don't know how much allowance he gets every week, but I'm sure if he saves it up he could afford something decent.
  3. Why does he title his videos as "discussions" when he only discusses stuff 10% of the time? Sounds like false advertising to me.
  4. Does he want to **** Tooty from Banjo-Kazooie? There's a point in the video as he's discussing "Cameo Theory" that he sort of drifts towards talking about Tooty, how giddy he was to see her again, and about how there should be a game starring her called "Banjo-Tooty". This kind of gives me the impression that he really wants to get caught up in her bear trap, if you catch my drift. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to pork a bear or a fictional character, but she's kind of young.
What are you guys' thoughts on the Brawl Legacy XP Geno model?

Also hello, I am new
It's kind of off-putting, really. The eyes look so shiny and kind of awkward compared to the dull colors of everything else around it.

Also, welcome to the Geno Thread! Have a complimentary Geno hat!
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Hi. Haven't posted in forever, so just thought I'd say hey. How's everyone doin? Are we all going mad from this drought?

Mario Day is coming up... maybe then??
 

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Hi. Haven't posted in forever, so just thought I'd say hey. How's everyone doin? Are we all going mad from this drought?

Mario Day is coming up... maybe then??
I'm doing okay. Good to hear from you again, and yeah, the Direct drought has left many in aggravation. Hopefully, we'll get some Geno content soon, or at the least something worthwhile
 

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We’re so close to reach post n° 100.000; page n° 2.500; and for Geno to reach us.
 

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For some ungodly reason i just thought of Sailor Moon CacoMallow.
Someone please draw this right now.
 

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They have to begin FP2 with an amazing explosive character.

I just think Geno #76 in March (probably March 9th because the SMRPG’s °24 anniversary or March 10th to celebrate MarioDay bringing back a new port, a new remake, a sequel or probably PaperMario to the Switch with Geno playable there as PaperGeno and/or Geno for Smash and/or SMRPG to the NSO; while Crash #77 at E3 in June to climb the mountain even higher.

It could work upside down also: Crash being #76 to have a monster beggining-reveal; and Geno at #77 to recreate the Banjo-Kazooie atmosphere (best epic fan request making it in) and to fit the number #7.

I can’t think about better candidates to be #76 and #77, for me they are Crash-Geno; and the rest could work perfectly for Hayabusa, Waluigi, Bandana, MasterChief, Doomguy, Dante, Shovel, Tails, Eggman, a new Pokémon, a new Zelda rep, Isaac, Lloyd or Heihachi (+Link with his new outfit to the new Soul Calibur game on Switch to promote it).

Anyway, Cloud is the biggest Square mascot and he didn’t need an E3, so there are no rules and patterns. Geno could perfectly be a General Direct reveal or an E3 reveal. What I know 100% are that he is coming anyway (#76 or #77) and that his CGI trailer will break the internet, it will be the most beautiful piece of art ever made in Smash. (also with Mega Man & Banjo-Kazooie).

Geno would close this era of 24 years long fan demand + love for the character, the big four would be already in playable; and Crash would finish this Mascot Icons playables in the same game. Can you believe a fight between: Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Crash, Banjo, Cloud and Snake in the same game? It will cover almost all Nintendo + icons from other companies + the mascots of each one (most notably you will have Mario’s rivals being Sonic from Sega & Crash (as the PS1 face) & Banjo (as Rare/Microsoft rep). The old school battle of consoles with their own heroes would be back in the same fight.

Geno & Crash (or Crash & Geno) would fulfill the Everyone’s Here with justice for the characters and love for the fans, just like they did with Mega Man and Banjo.

Geno will keep the house (us) satisfied and Crash will keep the eyes of the world on him, probably beating the other mascots impact.

Geno awakens!
 

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They have to begin FP2 with an amazing explosive character.

I just think Geno #76 in March (probably March 9th because the SMRPG’s °24 anniversary or March 10th to celebrate MarioDay bringing back a new port, a new remake, a sequel or probably PaperMario to the Switch with Geno playable there as PaperGeno and/or Geno for Smash and/or SMRPG to the NSO; while Crash #77 at E3 in June to climb the mountain even higher.

It could work upside down also: Crash being #76 to have a monster beggining-reveal; and Geno at #77 to recreate the Banjo-Kazooie atmosphere (best epic fan request making it in) and to fit the number #7.

I can’t think about better candidates to be #76 and #77, for me they are Crash-Geno; and the rest could work perfectly for Hayabusa, Waluigi, Bandana, MasterChief, Doomguy, Dante, Shovel, Tails, Eggman, a new Pokémon, a new Zelda rep, Isaac, Lloyd or Heihachi (+Link with his new outfit to the new Soul Calibur game on Switch to promote it).

Anyway, Cloud is the biggest Square mascot and he didn’t need an E3, so there are no rules and patterns. Geno could perfectly be a General Direct reveal or an E3 reveal. What I know 100% are that he is coming anyway (#76 or #77) and that his CGI trailer will break the internet, it will be the most beautiful piece of art ever made in Smash. (also with Mega Man & Banjo-Kazooie).

Geno would close this era of 24 years long fan demand + love for the character, the big four would be already in playable; and Crash would finish this Mascot Icons playables in the same game. Can you believe a fight between: Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Crash, Banjo, Cloud and Snake in the same game? It will cover almost all Nintendo + icons from other companies + the mascots of each one (most notably you will have Mario’s rivals being Sonic from Sega & Crash (as the PS1 face) & Banjo (as Rare/Microsoft rep). The old school battle of consoles with their own heroes would be back in the same fight.

Geno & Crash (or Crash & Geno) would fulfill the Everyone’s Here with justice for the characters and love for the fans, just like they did with Mega Man and Banjo.

Geno will keep the house (us) satisfied and Crash will keep the eyes of the world on him, probably beating the other mascots impact.

Geno awakens!
I fully agree, Crash and Geno are the last two fighters I think are mandatory to fullfill the EVERYONE IS HERE slogan. Shantae would have been the third but I digress.
 

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I fully agree, Crash and Geno are the last two fighters I think are mandatory to fullfill the EVERYONE IS HERE slogan. Shantae would have been the third but I digress.
Shantae does have a chance, given her spirit was in the base game like Geno's. Maybe not the strongest, but it's still there
 

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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
 
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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
Yes they can... all they have to do is give off their render like Cloud and Wii Fit. A PNG is not gonna stop a character being playable.
 
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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
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This is you in a few weeks more, buddy. You will be wrong about your words like Thorin when Geno gets revealed as #76 or #77.

Trust me, it’s just a matter of weeks more before Geno joins the party!

Best wishes for everyone :)
 

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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
Oh, this old chestnut. Since I've already tackled this a while back, I'll just repost what I wrote then here.
Oh great, this again. Alright, it's time to put this terrible arguement in it's grave once and for all.
First off, there is nothing officially stating that a character being a spirit, an Assist Trophy, a boss, a Mii Figher Costume, or part of someone's moveset (a Final Smash, for example) cannot also be a fighter or anything else. While it is usually the case that characters who are designated as one of those are only used for that purpose, there is nothing set in stone that says they can't be anything else. After all, we have plenty of examples of this not being the case: Chrom is both still part of Robin's Final Smash despite also being an Echo Fighter. King K. Rool, Isabelle, and Chrom are fighers despite having Mii Fighter Costumes still in the game. Rathalos is both a boss in World of Light and some character's Classic Mode playthroughs, as well as an Assist Trophy.

Second, Spirits aren't the literal soul of a character. There are spirits for yoga poses, for crying out loud! Y'know, abstract concepts that don't have a soul in any way, shape, or form? Do yoga poses have souls? Furthermore, there are three spirits for King K. Rool in different outfits. Are you telling me that they're three different characters? If different outfits/artwork is enough to be a different Spirit, couldn't they just use Geno's star form (titled ♥♪!?) as the basis for his Fighter Spirit instead? Or is that considered cheating?

Third, I don't know how long you've been around with regards to Smash speculation, but before Mewtwo and Lucas came back as DLC for Smash 4, A LOT of people considered trophies a death sentence for characters in the same way you and others consider spirits. Go back far enough, specifically around the release of Smash 4 on 3DS, and you'll find plenty of people who genuinely believed that a trophy meant no fighter. And to their credit, they kind of had a good reason to believe that.

In Melee, your fighter would start every fight as a trophy before losing the stand, in essence coming to life. In Brawl, a character's trophy was considered their body, and if they're touched by a living fighter while in their inert state, they would reawaken. While certain characters would be used for multiple trophies (Kirby for example used to have trophies showcasing all of his abilities, both from his home series and in Smash), it was generally accepted that these trophies were the characters souls, and since fighters have their own trophies, to already have a trophy in the game meant you couldn't also have a fighter trophy.

Spirits are much the same thing as trophies from prior Smash games. You may like to think they're different because of their whispy, ethereal design, but they're not different at all. So if trophies in Smash aren't considered enough to prevent a character from becoming a fighter, then spirits also aren't enough to prevent a character from becoming a fighter. And let's be real, do you really think Sakurai is going to not include a character because someone on the dev team had already included him as a goddamn PNG File? "Well I could include Geno as a DLC Fighter to please longtime fans, but the group of employees I got to work on the Spirits already used his PNG for a spirit, so I guess I can't do that. Too bad I don't have the authority to overrule their descision because I would've loved to include him, but oh well! better luck next time, I guess!"
 
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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
Don't even waste your time being here dude. No point in bringing up dead arguments that have been debunked time and time again. So, if you would please kindly leave. Have a good day.
 

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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno. I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.

I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.

Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
As the others have pointed out with reasons, a Spirit won't stop Geno from being made playable. In fact, they can rename Geno's existing spirit if they have to. Geno is not as unlikely as you may think. He still has a chance, spirit or not.
 

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I highly doubt Geno will make into Ultimate as a DLC fighter because he's already a spirit. They have to make fighter spirits for the DLC fighters but they can't really do that with Geno.
Sakurai upgraded trophies in 4 which are much more difficult to make and they'd have less incentive to upgrade. That didn't stop him and neither would a spirit.
I wanted a Resident Evil character (Leon would've been the most likely, but I prefer Wesker) to be a playable fighter, but that seems very unlikely now that we had the Resident Evil spirit event. Another favorite character of mine is a spirit, so he isn't getting into Ultimate either.
Resident Evil Spirits were only added after FP2 was decided, making it unlikely for them to have had any plans. Same reason spirits didn't get in FP1 at all. But I guess with your incite on giving up on RE, we'll just give up on supporting Geno, pack it up everyone.
I would also say that because Geno is from MRPG, he would still be considered first-party and therefore most likely not be suitable. However, with Byleth a thing, I can no longer say this.
You literally just debunked this argument in the same paragraph, what was even the point of this?
Geno is possible for future Smash games (if we're being hopeful enough for a new Smash game), but I just don't see it happening in Ultimate.
Ultimate is probably Geno's last chance and none of us are going to stop supporting him for Ultimate because one guy came in here just to tell us spirits deconfirmed. We've heard this bit over and over, you had nothing new to say but you just needed to come into our own support thread and tell us how little of a chance because spirit. It's not even a good way to hand wave his evidence.
 

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Yes they can... all they have to do is give off their render like Cloud and Wii Fit. A PNG is not gonna stop a character being playable.
I guess I need to elaborate. Let's use Mario as an example. We have his fighter spirit where he's doing his "smash pose", but you can switch it to a more classic Mario. Now we look at Geno. If they were to add him right now, his fighter spirit would have him in his "smash pose", but we can switch it to his more classic image, which is already being used as a spirit.

Yes, there are multiple spirits of the same character, but they have something that makes it different. Mario has Tennis Mario, for example. Otherwise we would just have a bunch of spirits of the same character, just in different poses and no real physical difference.
 

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I guess I need to elaborate. Let's use Mario as an example. We have his fighter spirit where he's doing his "smash pose", but you can switch it to a more classic Mario. Now we look at Geno. If they were to add him right now, his fighter spirit would have him in his "smash pose", but we can switch it to his more classic image, which is already being used as a spirit.

Yes, there are multiple spirits of the same character, but they have something that makes it different. Mario has Tennis Mario, for example. Otherwise we would just have a bunch of spirits of the same character, just in different poses and no real physical difference.
Buddy, we have already talked about this spirit deconfirm argument in this thread every day.
It's a dead argument, move on.
 

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I guess I need to elaborate. Let's use Mario as an example. We have his fighter spirit where he's doing his "smash pose", but you can switch it to a more classic Mario. Now we look at Geno. If they were to add him right now, his fighter spirit would have him in his "smash pose", but we can switch it to his more classic image, which is already being used as a spirit.

Yes, there are multiple spirits of the same character, but they have something that makes it different. Mario has Tennis Mario, for example. Otherwise we would just have a bunch of spirits of the same character, just in different poses and no real physical difference.
You know, they can always add another image for Geno for another classic image, like a sprite Geno from the game he first appeared in.

No offense, but you won't get anywhere with us. We heard it all before, yet we still believe, as we have the right to do so. Nothing you say will change our minds on Geno.
 
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I guess I need to elaborate. Let's use Mario as an example. We have his fighter spirit where he's doing his "smash pose", but you can switch it to a more classic Mario. Now we look at Geno. If they were to add him right now, his fighter spirit would have him in his "smash pose", but we can switch it to his more classic image, which is already being used as a spirit.

Yes, there are multiple spirits of the same character, but they have something that makes it different. Mario has Tennis Mario, for example. Otherwise we would just have a bunch of spirits of the same character, just in different poses and no real physical difference.
Who says Geno needs a classic spirit? Cloud never got one.
 
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I guess I need to elaborate. Let's use Mario as an example. We have his fighter spirit where he's doing his "smash pose", but you can switch it to a more classic Mario. Now we look at Geno. If they were to add him right now, his fighter spirit would have him in his "smash pose", but we can switch it to his more classic image, which is already being used as a spirit.

Yes, there are multiple spirits of the same character, but they have something that makes it different. Mario has Tennis Mario, for example. Otherwise we would just have a bunch of spirits of the same character, just in different poses and no real physical difference.
No problem, they can his freakin sprite like Ness and Lucas.
 
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I have another reason. When Byleth was released, at least we have the chance to get spirits from the game they're from, but with Geno, we already have MRPG spirits, so unless they just add more MRPG spirits that you would need to pay for, I don't see the point. All of the previous DLC spirits were from a game not previously in Smash, including Three Houses. If they decide with the new pass to just ditch that idea, then okay, but at the moment it's unlikely in my eyes.
 

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I have another reason. When Byleth was released, at least we have the chance to get spirits from the game they're from, but with Geno, we already have MRPG spirits, so unless they just add more MRPG spirits that you would need to pay for, I don't see the point. All of the previous DLC spirits were from a game not previously in Smash, including Three Houses. If they decide with the new pass to just ditch that idea, then okay, but at the moment it's unlikely in my eyes.
I say that is not a good enough reason to disqualify Geno. Nice try. Just because the other DLC stuff were not in Smash yet does not mean Geno can't be in because he is not new.
 
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I have another reason. When Byleth was released, at least we have the chance to get spirits from the game they're from, but with Geno, we already have MRPG spirits, so unless they just add more MRPG spirits that you would need to pay for, I don't see the point. All of the previous DLC spirits were from a game not previously in Smash, including Three Houses. If they decide with the new pass to just ditch that idea, then okay, but at the moment it's unlikely in my eyes.
Awesome, like you said they could add more which is possible they only added 2. Mallow isn’t even present in the spirit board. They could add Croco, Smithy, Axem Rangers, and etc. It’s no use coming in here telling us that. We face this argument many times. Give up.

He never did? Could've sworn he did. I'll check. If that's the case, then I guess Geno might need to keep Cloud company.
I just checked he didn’t...
 

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SMRPG has a ton of unused characters that can be Spirits. Filling a Spirit Board is very easy.

The only thing that can't be said is a "new world" at best. In Byleth's case, it's a different world in Fire Emblem and unrepresented. It's not impossible that Geno is still a costume and they intend only actual new worlds(not new franchises) entirely, but I doubt it's really a big enough deal. I'd be more worried about Nintendo suggesting Geno than Sakurai saying no over arbitrary reasoning. It's 6 characters. One being from a represented world won't be a problem.
 

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I say that is not a good enough reason to disqualify Geno. Nice try. Just because the other DLC stuff were not in Smash yet does not mean Geno can't be in because he is not new.
1.) I'm saying that is how the first pass has done it, and if the second pass is doing the same, then I don't see it happening.

2.) People are making it seem that I don't want Geno in Smash, when that's not the case. I would like to see him make it, but I'm just a bit skeptical at the moment. Who knows, Geno can storm into Ultimate and slap me across the face for lack of faith, but for now I'm not getting my hopes up.
 

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SMRPG has a ton of unused characters that can be Spirits. Filling a Spirit Board is very easy.

The only thing that can't be said is a "new world" at best. In Byleth's case, it's a different world in Fire Emblem and unrepresented. It's not impossible that Geno is still a costume and they intend only actual new worlds(not new franchises) entirely, but I doubt it's really a big enough deal. I'd be more worried about Nintendo suggesting Geno than Sakurai saying no over arbitrary reasoning. It's 6 characters. One being from a represented world won't be a problem.
Exactly. The rules of the first Fighter Pass probably won't be identical to the second regarding spirits from the base game
 

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I have another reason. When Byleth was released, at least we have the chance to get spirits from the game they're from, but with Geno, we already have MRPG spirits, so unless they just add more MRPG spirits that you would need to pay for, I don't see the point. All of the previous DLC spirits were from a game not previously in Smash, including Three Houses. If they decide with the new pass to just ditch that idea, then okay, but at the moment it's unlikely in my eyes.
Theres still a lot of smrpg characters that could be made into a spirit like boshi smithy yaridovich jonathan jones booster, the list goes on.
And like a lot of ppl have already mentioned, this support thread has countless of pages of spirit discussions so your not really gonna get anywhere with this.
 
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1.) I'm saying that is how the first pass has done it, and if the second pass is doing the same, then I don't see it happening.

2.) People are making it seem that I don't want Geno in Smash, when that's not the case. I would like to see him make it, but I'm just a bit skeptical at the moment. Who knows, Geno can storm into Ultimate and slap me across the face for lack of faith, but for now I'm not getting my hopes up.
I remember people saying don’t expect 1st party characters than look what happened. If you’re not having you’re hopes up, good don’t waste your time giving us an argument we faced many times.
 
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