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In terms of gaming at large? Sure, he's nowhere near as big as those two. But in terms of fan demand, y'know, one of the main constants throughout these three characters we've gotten at the last 2 E3s? Yeah, he's pretty comparable to King K. Rool, Ridley or Banjo. Also, I love how you're willing to overlook that people said the same **** about K.Rool and Banjo being irrelevent and yet the stll got in.
Hmm, you may actually have a point here. I mean, it's not like Mega Man or Ryu were also a hugely requested character or anything, nah those are Pac-Man tier for sure.
Dude, there's nothing wrong with speculation. Quit being an ass, get some air and log off.
How dare I bring up what actually happen at an E3 announcement to show that there are inconsistencies with announcement of characters at specific event. Clear if they showed off a hype character at E3 it's always going to be like that to the end of time, just like how majority of this board knew that there was going to be an announcement at the VGAs since they did it last year, that was totally not cherry-picking when it came to that conclusion.Hmm, you may actually have a point here. I mean, it's not like Mega Man or Ryu were also a hugely requested character or anything, nah those are Pac-Man tier for sure.
But seriously Wynn, are you ever going to get tired of cherry-picking?
Forget Tom, put him in your ignore list. You’ll be in peace.In terms of gaming at large? Sure, he's nowhere near as big as those two. But in terms of fan demand, y'know, one of the main constants throughout these three characters we've gotten at the last 2 E3s? Yeah, he's pretty comparable to King K. Rool, Ridley or Banjo. Also, I love how you're willing to overlook that people said the same **** about K.Rool and Banjo being irrelevent and yet the stll got in.
Hmm, you may actually have a point here. I mean, it's not like Mega Man or Ryu were also a hugely requested character or anything, nah those are Pac-Man tier for sure.
But seriously Wynn, are you ever going to get tired of cherry-picking?
"Hey guys, let's speculate and put our expectations up really high with this stuff that sure to happen!"
Dude, we're Geno supporters, all we HAVE is negativity and a history of things not working out. We're just tired of you in particular and you looking for arguments when you clearly have no interest in changing your point of view
nah it's just that when you're negative for long enough people just write off what you have to say as needless moaning and move on.
Some valid points you've made:
Ever consider the guy keeps coming here because he likes talking about this kind of thing? I'm not gonna pretend I'm Wynn and know all that goes on in his head but I don't see why we have to shut him out of the thread just because he doesn't think Geno is likely to be in. I mean, it's not like he's actively stirring **** for the sake of it like those raiders from GameFAQs that got the thread locked during the VGAs.
OffBi said it for me. There's some screenshotted message where he says "good thing there are numbers after 5" or something when suggested that GameXplain avoided talking about waluigi
Look, it's really dumb to have expectation that big characters that are like Crash, Doomguy, or Geno will totally be revealed at E3. It's setting up for an inevitable disappointment when a character that's on the same level as Palutena shows up and not that giant requested character. People should've learn by now that Sakurai doesn't always make the best judgement when it comes to announcing characters; Incineroar, Piranha Plant, Corrin, Duck Hunt, EVO. No one learns anything. People keep grasping on to how they did this one thing, like show a character at the VGA, and start believing that's the norm; it's always going to be like that, no exception except for the times when it didn't happen. We choose to ignore and then fall into the same cycle over and over again because everyone keeps their expectations up super high. If you don't learn from history then doom to repeat it.
Your logic lacks some logic.
I, for one, am not trying to shut him out. Nor do I have issue with anyone that thinks Geno is unlikely. I'm just curious if he thinks Geno is "unlikely" or "impossible". It helps reassure me and others that he's not here simply to contradict anything positive that gets brought up.
Next time, if you really don't feel a certain way, don't make it appear like you do. From our talks in Discord you've kinda proven to me that you DO hold this stance but maybe not as strongly as you try to present it.
It's less about being negative and more about how he's ALWAYS doom and gloom and acting as if Sakurai is the developer edition of Griffith from Berserk or some ****. On top of that, when he gets called out, he never admits he is wrong and then continues this same charade. Like I said, he's like a person who always complains and can never be wrong even when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and it irritates people. Hence me encouraging people to use the Ignore feature instead of tussling with him.
The reason I call what you do cherry-picking is because it's literally what you do. Constantly. I mention that most E3s that happen during the lead up to the game's launch and throughout it's DLC cycle tend to have really amazing reveals for us more often than not, and your response to that is: "Well, this one year didn't have anything particularly amazing, so there's no reason we'll be getting anything good come E3 2020.". Because that one bit of information fits your narrative, you parade it around as though it's an entirely bulletproof point, all the while ignoring the numerous examples that outnumber, invalidate and/or contradict said point. That is the textbook definition of cherry-picking, and it's bad form.
I don't mind discussing things with people when I disagree with that they're saying or if they disagree with me. Also, I'm not a baby.
When I mentioned Crash, Doomguy and Geno, that was because I was listing characters who I personally felt would be as exciting as Banjo or K. Rool. I never said that those were my expectations going into E3 2020, why on earth would you assume that? In fact, why do you always assume that everyone in this thread has the mental capacity of a pancake? We're adults, Wynn, we know how to manage our expectations and we can handle getting things wrong. You don't need to try to parent us.
This is rich coming from the guy that likes to constantly harp on about Sakurai being a terrible dev who doesn't include characters people want because he thought a Piranha Plant would make for a great fighter whilst conveniently ignoring how he included a bunch of characters that people actually really wanted. But sure, we're the ones cherry-picking. ok doomer
Relax man. It doesn’t matter whether people disagree with you or not. I’m just sayin, Tom14 is not worth debating with at this point.
It's ok to get hurt, you know?
I feel this way, but not in such a dire way. It's really fun to overreact, and it gets the posting juices flowing out of others. You know the original trollface comic, like where that goofy meme originated? Where it's how people act over the internet vs how they really look on the other side of the screen? I'm not really over here biting my nails, tears in my eyes because I feel like Sakurai betrayed us. It's calm discussion and I present it in maybe the worst possible light because, again, it makes people defend themselves from an attack on what they believe, but from a friendly source. It can't be all sunshine and rainbows, we can't sit here and talk ourselves into thinking he's in or that Sakurai is making some kind of heroic effort to put Geno in smash because an average of 52 users on Smashboards post at least one meme with a Geno hat per day.
I'm sure there's a better name for it, but I consider this a fallacy of "critics must be creators", which is not the kind of mindset I entertain. I understand the difficulty in making a game, believe me, but even if I didn't, I think it's fair as a consumer of the medium to levy complaints and criticism as I see fit. My words aren't going to fall on a single member of the dev team's eyes or ears, so it's not like it even matters. We're all sitting here theorycrafting or complaining and are essentially a year and a half behind what the developers are doing. Our hopes, dreams and fears are either already realized or never happening. As for whether or not we're owed anything, nah I don't think that. At this point we're owed fighter 5 because half of everyone has already paid for them, but that's about it.
someone being overprotective of little 'ol me because I can't handle when someone calls me mean words on the internet, I guess. If you ever want to call me a ****head do it on discord so we can both laugh at it.
Stay warm, friend.
Tom doesn't both me, man. In fact, I had no idea who Tom was until today.
Geno showed up but was disappointed in us and left again. He'll check in on us in a few months and said we better get our **** together if we want to play as him.
This is wishful thinking definitely but if they reveal all of season 2 with a new 3D Mario game AND remakes which may include Super Mario Sunshine then I would 100% understand 2019 not being that huge of a year for them aside from a few select games. They wanna kick off 2020 guns blazing.
Like most people, you only need one event to break a pattern. It's unreasonable to think that big characters will always be announced at E3. I went on with the idea that they wouldn't show off Dragon Quest character in a western event like E3 seeing how it really appeals to Japanese fans, and I was extremely wrong when it comes to that seeing how Dragon Quest took up the first 5 minutes of their E3 Direct. There is no expectation for this when we seen that literally any kind of character can be shown off at E3 regardless of their status of their fan demand.
Did you even read my comment? I said "Look, it's really dumb to have expectation that big characters that are like Crash, Doomguy, or Geno will totally be revealed at E3" Keyword LIKE
When have I ever said that Sakurai was a terrible developer? When have I ever said anything like that? I don't agree with everything he does, there are flaws, but never in my god damn mind will I have say or type that Sakurai is a terrible developer. In fact, I will erase my account if you can find an instance where I said that Sakurai is a terrible developer.
OMeffingG, could you imagine if they announce ALL the fighters with pass #2 up front? Like, instead of saying, "Buy the whole mystery box on faith", imagine if they just had a massive reveal trailer showing off the next 5 all at once! I'd probably soil myself with joy.
First off, thanks for the good wishes. Second, I'll remember to do that.
Always keep your expectation in check. If you keep running wild then just going to be disappointed.
They could meet us in the middle and give us silhouettes of the characters if they didn’t want to completely blow their load. Although the speculation from that might actually be worse if something looked like it could be more than one character lol
For this Fighters Pass, 0%. We been having characters who's series were never represented at all in Ultimate as the Fighters Pass characters, which lead to believe that they had a good idea of who's getting in early on during development so they can put the characters aren't included in as Spirits. We also know that Spirits take very little time to make seeing how they used a fan made sprite of Masked Man as one of the Spirits, which means they just Google Image a lot of them. If a character was going to be part of the Fighters Pass then they could've just removed the Spirits associated with that character and series from the base game and have it be attach to the DLC Spirit Board of that character with little difficulty seeing how they removed a couple of Spirits like were part of Rare and Devils Third.
I have doubts they will announce a new 3D Mario game if it isn't Odyssey 2. If it isn't a sequel to Odyssey, Nintendo will most likely not reuse the engine. As such, they need to make an entirely new one from scratch. The wait between 3D World and Odyssey was about 4-5 years. I think Odyssey 2 makes too much sense. Think about it, Nintendo said how profitable DLC was and how they were gonna keep doing it (this was months before more Smash DLC was announced), they have DLC for most of their major games (aside from MK8D, and Super Mario Party) like BOTW, and that game is even getting a sequel.
I actually agree with you about Geno's chances for the current fighters pass. I'd be legitimately surprised if he actually makes it. Next fighters pass though, I'm much more hopeful considering the current lack of mii costume and other factors. You have a good point that the first character of the next pass will tell us a lot about what to expect.....especially if it turns out to be Geno himself.
